Great instruction and tips as always. The entertainment value was very high as well. The lesson of spooning and napping on my adventure motorcycle when I need a break is priceless 😂
Great tips for sand. Just spent the past weekend in the Borrego, CA sand. The more reps, the easier it gets. Practice, practice, practice. Thanks for the post.
I must’ve watched hours and hours of motorcycle reviews on TH-cam but this is the most objective, well presented review I’ve ever watched. King regards from Barcelona!
And we are completely ignoring the fact that we are probably not be riding the best adventure bikes from brands such as ducati & bmw & the likes on the way to starbucks. 😂
Ben!! Hey Ben we have met several time up at Dirtdaze in New Hampshire helped set up the course each year for your classes. Hope to see you this year as well. Bret!! You should come this year??!!!?? Great video Men. Adv for life!!
The scene with the guy sleeping on the bike was so good lol I learnt a lot and now use my bike as a bed too . Thanks and also thanks for the real advice. You guys have taught me a lot through the years. Sorry for the bad spelling I had to try to fix some of it lol
Guys this video was so informative and so funny at the same time! I'm pretty sure you had lots of fun shooting it. You make me feel like been there with you! Please more!!!
Glad Paul was able to get his beauty rest, not that he needs it! Can't believe it's been two years since I trained with you guys. Just traded my Vstrom for a Tenere!
Paul I love You and Your strategy. You change my world of adventure riding :) I will always wait for correct moment. Idea not now, but maybe later is great :) Greetings from Poland guys! Best for You!
I see that you're out with the Dragoo's in Oklahoma. Bill and his family and friends are great people and instructors. My buddy and I had a fun and informative training time with them last year. God Bless.
I disagree. Even a street tire is going to get more thrust using the third method. That being said, a more aggressive tire will certainly yield better results.
DID you know after a rain the sand on the sunny side of the hill dries faster than the nice damp sand on the not sunny side? I inspected the dry sand and the sky a couple times as I tumbled to a stop. I inspected some more as I wrassled my bike upright onto it’s wheels. I then got online to research what oil...
No offense! I love Bret’s videos. The instructional videos are disconnected from the real world. When you are riding out there for hundreds of miles, are tired, and you bike gets stuck in the sand or if you drop it, you don’t have all this time and patience to dig, and think of various strategies. You naturally want to lift the bike and get out of there. Same is the case with hill climbs. Never ever we stop before the hill climb, then walk up the hill to assess what line you got to take. In reality you come around a corner and realize you got to keep going and you figure out the line on your way up. Same with down hill. Learning from videos is reading a book on how to drive a car. The best way to learn this is to attend adventure training classes with Bret or others. Take your motorbike out there, ride it drop it, pick it. That’s the only way you are going to learn. Practice practice practice
Wish I had some sand tracks in my region for training. Only in the north of Germany on some patches. And not as deep as your tracks. What I could try out is some napping on the bike ;-) Cheers from Nürnberg/Bavaria, Günter
Very frequently it happens not on straight terrain where you can do all these, but in narrow turn to side, interested in how to get out of this situation where you cannot really move motorcycle much and of course you cannot do full engage on second gear.
Great video, great advice. Nicely done. Just one thing, you forgot the part about filling in your holes after you get out so the next guy doesn't get stuck. 😉 Keep the videos coming.
@@modernprairiecraftsman9858 was not able to draw clear information from what you said. first gear has more torque and more acceleration.- this i know from riding small single cyl bikes below 350cc
The whole time I was watching this I kept thinking to myself, "That looks like the Canadian River. As short and jacked up as the trees are and as sandy as that area is, that has to be Oklahoma" Then Bill said he was out of Norman. Nailed it. I'm not sure an ADV riding school is enough to make me come back to OK, even for a visit. Terrible place.
what they say only works in this specific type of sand they are... Ive had the bike stuck and wouldnt move forward even if I was next to it pushing.. thin sand is a whole other story
My question why all people when buy motorcycle get upgrade to crash bar.... On my opinion thhis motorcycle wił be enough protection if not not worth sale price
You need more wheel revolutions to get out. 1st gear won't spin the wheel fast enough. I always ride in 2nd or 3rd gear to avoid getting stuck so I disagree with his suggestion to downshift once you are clear. It is harder to get stuck in sand when going faster because the wheels stay on top.
My take is that too much torque just spins the wheel, overcoming any traction. Second gear and a little clutch slipping better shot of keeping tire hooked up or spinning slower than gunning it in first, which just digs the hole. On sand, the bike needs gentle forward motive force to be manageable…even slowing down!
The same thing for snow driving in a car, wheels do not spin as fast and you get a good amount of torque to drive/ride in a controlled manner. It gives you a more controlled acceleration.
Top. Looks like in Desert X you have Karoo 4 tyres … what is your opinion for that tyre in Sand ?! And other type of terrains ?! Thank hounding advance
It’s fun to see you guys traumatizing 20-30K bikes with reckless abandon🤪 As for the fun of doing it myself, I think I’d rather just ride my CBR as fast as I can around a curve… but that’s just me. 😉 Great video. Really entertaining.
The problem here is that none of you got stuck. You stuck yourself by pulling the front brake, which means the sand was ridable in the first place. When you get really stuck, the only real option is to drag the front tyre so it points downhill, dig or shift the bike enough so that you are not on the skid plate, ask a friend to push and apologise for filling their helmet with sand cakes. The only technique here that can help a little is paddling like Ben shows, because getting stuck means that the motorbike alone couldn't make it, so you need to get some other form of forward propulsion or increase traction. The only way I found the latter to work is to move as much of my weight to the back and mix the paddling with bouncing on my seat. At that point the aim is then to get my feet off the ground ASAP and have my hips as far back as possible until I get on top of the sand and then move to a slightly less extreme position.
@@BretTkacs Hi Bret, it is not easy to condense all my thoughts (and limited experience) in a YT reply but let me try. I think the point I disagree is that I don't think all sand is ridable and that's why we are watching this video, because we get stuck. Maybe it is true that at high speed all sand is ridable, but eventually you need to slow down to get over a dune, turn a tight corner, or are simply trying to pick a path between the camel grass, the dunes and where you want to go. And that's when crap happens (not to mention people stopping up hill). It has often happened during our rides that just few meters to the left or right made all the difference between a "nothing" and having a front wheel buried to the axel. This happens even when riding relatively flat sections with small mounds of sand no taller than half a meter. What you show in the video, is not really what in my opinion and experience I would consider stuck: I am pretty sure that a second gear clutch drop would have gotten you out quite easily. Trying to get to my point, I think there are some key things that were missed, and that in the name of energy conservation are (in my opinion) very important to consider as strategies to get out of a difficult situation. Sometimes a very small push from a buddy is enough to get going without tipping the bike over, dragging it along, pull it back up (which is even more difficult in sand) and hoping not to dig another hole. If you are riding alone in sand as a beginner (at which I believe this content is aimed) then I think the most important advice is to bring lots of water and a satellite phone.
Not to the degree the T7 has. Ryan F9 at the “Fortnine” channel explains it as adding pressure to the front tire when power is applied. Not the best for sand applications. I own a T7 and I speak from experience.
Prevention is better than cure, just avoid extreem loosely sand 🤷🏾♂️ btw why does motorcycle clothing looks like construction workers or street sweepers? 🤦🏾♂️
In about 20 may be 50 years we'll all agree those GS's were just terrible ideas to begin with - nobody needs a bike that heavy and unweildy for enjoyable riding - YES I've own one!
Hmm.... I'd LOVE some sand that m o i s t down in SWFL, heh! Might make the Trailmax's actually usable down here offroad. Then again, maybe leavin' a piss under the rear tire in that dry sand though... XD
How about...use better tires, Ride where sand is firmly packed, don't panic, most people need to be more comfortable with laying their bike over...I have heard it many times..."I spent $30,000 for my motorcycle and don't want to drop it"
Hey, it's not nice to make fun of older guys who ride bikes because they want to feel young again and it never works because they get tired quick and fall asleep... 😁
The ending is epic
Great instruction and tips as always. The entertainment value was very high as well. The lesson of spooning and napping on my adventure motorcycle when I need a break is priceless 😂
Yep my main takeaway is "Avoid sand" 😅
Great video, definitely three simple approaches to getting unstuck!!
Same! 😅
Paul needs to be on more! He's hilarious and always insightful.
I agree
Great tips, great riding, and Paul's "old man time out" was hilarious.
Bret's "maybe a little village" followed by his Godzilla impersonation was good too
Great tips for sand. Just spent the past weekend in the Borrego, CA sand. The more reps, the easier it gets. Practice, practice, practice. Thanks for the post.
I must’ve watched hours and hours of motorcycle reviews on TH-cam but this is the most objective, well presented review I’ve ever watched. King regards from Barcelona!
Good advice but realistically how often will you find that much sand on the way to Starbucks? Lol.
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And we are completely ignoring the fact that we are probably not be riding the best adventure bikes from brands such as ducati & bmw & the likes on the way to starbucks. 😂
@@asadujjamannur101 cries on XT 600 🤣😅
Now you can go to a Starbucks on the beach!
This comment will brake hearts and some will cry in boxer engine oily tears.
Ben!! Hey Ben we have met several time up at Dirtdaze in New Hampshire helped set up the course each year for your classes. Hope to see you this year as well. Bret!! You should come this year??!!!??
Great video Men. Adv for life!!
Hey!
Looking forward to another year at TTDD!
Humor sells and you guys nailed it with the out-takes. Excellent instruction from ya'll.
The new thing is “Taking a GS nap” lmao. The boys and their sandbox toys.
Great video and really appreciate the comedy thrown in 😂
Great info and love the interjections of humor! That is what it is all about. Having fun in challenging environments. Very enjoyable guys!
Cheers!
The scene with the guy sleeping on the bike was so good lol I learnt a lot and now use my bike as a bed too . Thanks and also thanks for the real advice. You guys have taught me a lot through the years. Sorry for the bad spelling I had to try to fix some of it lol
Guys this video was so informative and so funny at the same time! I'm pretty sure you had lots of fun shooting it. You make me feel like been there with you! Please more!!!
Glad Paul was able to get his beauty rest, not that he needs it! Can't believe it's been two years since I trained with you guys. Just traded my Vstrom for a Tenere!
😁
Hysterical! When he sat on the bike. I thought the same thing "that looks comfortable I would take a nap" .
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Great video, all the quirky side jokes made me smile 👌🏻. Having fun, riding bikes 👌🏻
Awesome demonstration. I definitely learned a few important things on getting unstuck.
Paul I love You and Your strategy. You change my world of adventure riding :) I will always wait for correct moment. Idea not now, but maybe later is great :) Greetings from Poland guys! Best for You!
Thank you for the instruction and entertainment!! Not only did I learn, I had a good laugh!! Thanks so much!!!
Thank you so much for all of you such a useful, important tips for bike riders. Greetings from Nepal !!!
Just an amazing video!
Thank you!
Useful video with fun!
I see that you're out with the Dragoo's in Oklahoma. Bill and his family and friends are great people and instructors. My buddy and I had a fun and informative training time with them last year. God Bless.
I knew I recognized that particular river sand.
The third technique it is quite tyre dependent (good for more aggressive tyres) the first and second techniques work with street-ish tyres as well.
I disagree. Even a street tire is going to get more thrust using the third method.
That being said, a more aggressive tire will certainly yield better results.
Paul did do the 3rd technique with the Dunlop Missions. Although it won't always work with those tires.
Good advice. I live in the sandbox aka Florida. Sand is pretty much all I have. Not the best place to ride big bikes.
I love your content. It gives me hope in learning how to adventure, once I get the himi I want lol
DID you know after a rain the sand on the sunny side of the hill dries faster than the nice damp sand on the not sunny side? I inspected the dry sand and the sky a couple times as I tumbled to a stop. I inspected some more as I wrassled my bike upright onto it’s wheels. I then got online to research what oil...
appreciated the humor and great tips, ohhh Bret that white machine is a looker, keep up good work, cheers V!
This was a great video!
I thought Paul was going to steal the Ducati!
Seems like limited slip all wheel drive would be really helpful in places like this.
No offense! I love Bret’s videos. The instructional videos are disconnected from the real world. When you are riding out there for hundreds of miles, are tired, and you bike gets stuck in the sand or if you drop it, you don’t have all this time and patience to dig, and think of various strategies. You naturally want to lift the bike and get out of there. Same is the case with hill climbs. Never ever we stop before the hill climb, then walk up the hill to assess what line you got to take. In reality you come around a corner and realize you got to keep going and you figure out the line on your way up. Same with down hill. Learning from videos is reading a book on how to drive a car. The best way to learn this is to attend adventure training classes with Bret or others. Take your motorbike out there, ride it drop it, pick it. That’s the only way you are going to learn. Practice practice practice
3:11 😂
Good one guys. Thanks for sharing the tips!👍
Great! Now could you do one on rocky creek crossings? (I fell in the middle of one recently. Twice!)
this one was really good
Wish I had some sand tracks in my region for training. Only in the north of Germany on some patches. And not as deep as your tracks. What I could try out is some napping on the bike ;-) Cheers from Nürnberg/Bavaria, Günter
I want to train with Paul. 💤💤🤣🤣great video💯👍🏽👍🏽
Very frequently it happens not on straight terrain where you can do all these, but in narrow turn to side, interested in how to get out of this situation where you cannot really move motorcycle much and of course you cannot do full engage on second gear.
Hahahaha...great guys!, you make me a nice morning laught!, keep that good work!
Great video as always... can't wait to hear your thoughts on the Desert X. Just missed meeting you and saying hi to Bill in OKC.
Just what I was thinking. Come on Mr Tkacs give us a Desert X review man!
That'll be after removing half the bike, to get to the air filter in order to clean it :)
Great video, great advice. Nicely done. Just one thing, you forgot the part about filling in your holes after you get out so the next guy doesn't get stuck. 😉
Keep the videos coming.
Ben did bring that up but it didn't make the final edit
FY please make more with the three of you !
We all live in different places in the USA (Oklahoma, Idaho, Washington) but if I can I will.
His first "snore" sounded exactly like a BMW boxer twin. 🙂
🤣😴💤
Always great info…a nap is always good👍
please elaborate the choice of second gear in the third scenario
A second gear start is not always needed, but in this example it was. The goal is to throw as much volume as possible.
@@modernprairiecraftsman9858 was not able to draw clear information from what you said.
first gear has more torque and more acceleration.- this i know from riding small single cyl bikes below 350cc
Second gear allows more rpm at the back tire, hence more volume of sand , hence more thrust.
Torque and acceleration aren’t my goal in this scenario, thrust is.
Hope that clarifies!
Fascinating...
The whole time I was watching this I kept thinking to myself, "That looks like the Canadian River. As short and jacked up as the trees are and as sandy as that area is, that has to be Oklahoma" Then Bill said he was out of Norman. Nailed it. I'm not sure an ADV riding school is enough to make me come back to OK, even for a visit. Terrible place.
No matter where you go, you’ll find what you’re looking for
“My goal is to be as lazy as possible.” Check. This I can do.
Brazil have really deep sand roads and it's annoying 😅 beside Brazil, Bolivian Andes made me tired also 😂
Yer... ya wanna dock his pay for that rest break Brett! 😅
What's that open faced helmet ben is wearing???
I’m wearing just a cheap trials helmet from Amazon. It’s an O’Neil
Why did Ben start in 2nd gear instead of 1st?
I wanted the maximum amount of thrust.
Higher wheel spin =more sand thrown.
Thanks
Love the fun in this really usefull video
Time conquers all
What helmet is Ben wearing?
It’s an O’Neil from Amazon
What's the handlebar setup on that white R1200 GSA?
Not sure, just what it came with.
I am running 40mm block risers though.
@@modernprairiecraftsman9858 Oh okay, thought I saw a big bar across it. Looked non OEM
Not sure if it’s oem or not, just what I got with the title!
I can definitely tell you it takes a beating.
How to not burn the clutch in such areas?
Awesome 👍🙏
amazing what a channel ❤❤👌👌
Looks like you borrowed Ryan's new bike Bret!
Hey Bret, you swaped the 890R for this Desert X???
how about trying to walk along the bike in first place? to get it out of the hole obviously.
A heavy bike must not try to venture into the light bike territory.
what they say only works in this specific type of sand they are... Ive had the bike stuck and wouldnt move forward even if I was next to it pushing.. thin sand is a whole other story
Dry bottomless sand is certainly a different story if you don't have momentum
First lesson surviving Sand …don’t buy a GS which weighs half a ton.
Great video. Really enjoying the course in GA this weekend.
I ' d like to see the aur filter change on that desert x😂
DREAM TEAM ;-)
Great 👍✅
My question why all people when buy motorcycle get upgrade to crash bar.... On my opinion thhis motorcycle wił be enough protection if not not worth sale price
you made me laugh so hard
Great video. One question to Ben: why starting from the 2nd gear?
You need more wheel revolutions to get out. 1st gear won't spin the wheel fast enough.
I always ride in 2nd or 3rd gear to avoid getting stuck so I disagree with his suggestion to downshift once you are clear. It is harder to get stuck in sand when going faster because the wheels stay on top.
@@briangc1972 ok, thx
My take is that too much torque just spins the wheel, overcoming any traction. Second gear and a little clutch slipping better shot of keeping tire hooked up or spinning slower than gunning it in first, which just digs the hole. On sand, the bike needs gentle forward motive force to be manageable…even slowing down!
The same thing for snow driving in a car, wheels do not spin as fast and you get a good amount of torque to drive/ride in a controlled manner. It gives you a more controlled acceleration.
That Desert X is a sexy machine!
Yes it is!
Top. Looks like in Desert X you have Karoo 4 tyres … what is your opinion for that tyre in Sand ?! And other type of terrains ?!
Thank hounding advance
So far I am really liking them. Currently I am riding in GA mud
@@BretTkacs thank you, I already read they are good in mud, but my concern I how is in Sand :)
It’s fun to see you guys traumatizing 20-30K bikes with reckless abandon🤪
As for the fun of doing it myself, I think I’d rather just ride my CBR as fast as I can around a curve… but that’s just me. 😉
Great video. Really entertaining.
It is a little ridiculous 🤣
you're amazing, a greeting from Italy , ciao!
The problem here is that none of you got stuck. You stuck yourself by pulling the front brake, which means the sand was ridable in the first place. When you get really stuck, the only real option is to drag the front tyre so it points downhill, dig or shift the bike enough so that you are not on the skid plate, ask a friend to push and apologise for filling their helmet with sand cakes. The only technique here that can help a little is paddling like Ben shows, because getting stuck means that the motorbike alone couldn't make it, so you need to get some other form of forward propulsion or increase traction. The only way I found the latter to work is to move as much of my weight to the back and mix the paddling with bouncing on my seat. At that point the aim is then to get my feet off the ground ASAP and have my hips as far back as possible until I get on top of the sand and then move to a slightly less extreme position.
All sand is rideable and what downhill? I ride solo so now what?
@@BretTkacs Hi Bret, it is not easy to condense all my thoughts (and limited experience) in a YT reply but let me try. I think the point I disagree is that I don't think all sand is ridable and that's why we are watching this video, because we get stuck. Maybe it is true that at high speed all sand is ridable, but eventually you need to slow down to get over a dune, turn a tight corner, or are simply trying to pick a path between the camel grass, the dunes and where you want to go. And that's when crap happens (not to mention people stopping up hill). It has often happened during our rides that just few meters to the left or right made all the difference between a "nothing" and having a front wheel buried to the axel. This happens even when riding relatively flat sections with small mounds of sand no taller than half a meter. What you show in the video, is not really what in my opinion and experience I would consider stuck: I am pretty sure that a second gear clutch drop would have gotten you out quite easily. Trying to get to my point, I think there are some key things that were missed, and that in the name of energy conservation are (in my opinion) very important to consider as strategies to get out of a difficult situation. Sometimes a very small push from a buddy is enough to get going without tipping the bike over, dragging it along, pull it back up (which is even more difficult in sand) and hoping not to dig another hole. If you are riding alone in sand as a beginner (at which I believe this content is aimed) then I think the most important advice is to bring lots of water and a satellite phone.
Why is it so important to stand up and get on the footpegs?
Control and safety
Bret's posse
Does the anti- squat rear suspension hinder the T7’s abilities in the sand?
All bikes have antisquat geometry built into them
Not to the degree the T7 has. Ryan F9 at the “Fortnine” channel explains it as adding pressure to the front tire when power is applied. Not the best for sand applications. I own a T7 and I speak from experience.
😆..great👍
Prevention is better than cure, just avoid extreem loosely sand 🤷🏾♂️ btw why does motorcycle clothing looks like construction workers or street sweepers? 🤦🏾♂️
My advice is to just stay out of this deep sand on a big adventure bike
I missed the video where you switched from BMW to Ducati. When did you make the switch?
I have no brand loyalty 😁, The DesertX is a loaner
@@BretTkacs What was your impression after riding it?
In about 20 may be 50 years we'll all agree those GS's were just terrible ideas to begin with - nobody needs a bike that heavy and unweildy for enjoyable riding - YES I've own one!
Hmm.... I'd LOVE some sand that m o i s t down in SWFL, heh! Might make the Trailmax's actually usable down here offroad. Then again, maybe leavin' a piss under the rear tire in that dry sand though... XD
🤣
6:33, u have changed the position of the bike and direction from uphill to downhill. scamheads
put subtitles in other languages
with this bikes not go to the sand so siple,,,escape from another way
Not always an option
ADV JUDO!!
How about...use better tires, Ride where sand is firmly packed, don't panic, most people need to be more comfortable with laying their bike over...I have heard it many times..."I spent $30,000 for my motorcycle and don't want to drop it"
So funny Zzzzzzzz....on a GS....I wish it was so easy...
Nice "sand castles" 🤣
I know, right?
Hey, it's not nice to make fun of older guys who ride bikes because they want to feel young again and it never works because they get tired quick and fall asleep... 😁
It's it making fun if I'm one of them?
3rd gear, full gas. And Mitas Enduro Trail+...
Don't be that stupid to use road tires in sands
Brett are you loving that Ducati ??
I CAN ride in it, I just don't like it. Where I can, I'll just crash thru the vegetation to the side if possible.