Let’s be honest here, Sorrow’s Path can be insane if you’re playing GB token sacrifice. Let us play out a scenario, you control a Dictate of Ereobos and 5 tapped 1/1 Saproling tokens with Slimefoot as your commander and a Mycoloth on the battlefield with 5 1/1 counters. Your opponent is using a mono red goblin deck with Krenko in the command post. His field is a Goblin Warleader and 6 1/1 goblins with benefits from the leader. Your opponent swings in with a 2/2 Goblin and the Warleader. You tap Sorrow’s Path and block 2 2/2 Goblins and kill your Saprolings and triggering Dictate’s effect. Killing your opponent’s field. Then you scoop cause you’re playing Sorrow’s Path.
archealogical dig actually saw a lot of tournament play in extended. and was played in some grand prix’s. it was played in “sunny side up” which is a combo deck based around “second sunrise” from mirrodin.
that's actually quite clever damn. Get your card draws, damage and tokens out for a land tap, with an limited upside of exchanging attacking creatures... wow.
Sorrows path can be donated to opponents and you can force them to tap it. It will then deal 2 to them and all their creatures as the ability isn’t tied to the actual tap affect. This is a horrible game plan but hey zedruu can sometimes use it for lols
Grizzlyman MeinTeil Actually I think the best you could do is setup an awkward infinte dmg combo via an Indestructable Coalhauler Swine sporting a pariah. Then again you would be living so far in magical christmas land that The King of Narina would send out a search party.
Yeah...didn't you know that Dryad Arbor was printed as a limited edition that could only be found in the first 500 boxes of Arabian Nights? It was because of this limited print (which gave it a near mythical status) that it never made it onto the reserved list so it could be reprinted in Future Sight.
Alexis Filigree I see. I'm guessing it was shadowbanned, so it never saw play in constructed. That also shows that mythic rarity was an early concept that was brought back.
What, is that true? What'd the original Dryad Arbor look like? I can't imagine a world where Dryad Arbor didn't get beautiful FTV art that made me fall in love with Magic.. Would I even be playing Magic, if Dryad Arbor had been on the RL? o_0
@@alexisfiligree9116 by the rules of the Time Spiral block, it would have been in Time Spiral instead of Future Sight! (Future Sight cards haven't been printed yet.)
When I was 13, I pulled a An-Havva Township out of a booster. I thought it was the best thing ever. It can do THREE colours. Once I played it, I quickly realised that I was wrong
THANK YOU for your concise explanation of Banding, I have watched numerous videos attempting to explain the mechanic but the way you put it made a lot of sense
Cathedral of Serra is a very old, non mana producing land. But i think it has really incredible art. Especially the italian version, is way more vibrant 😊
Another fun thing about non-mana producing lands like Oasis - In the old days you couldn't mulligan at will, you had to show your hand had zero lands, or all lands. This means if Oasis was the only land in your hand you could end up stuck with zero mana sources.
Some of these lands I play with house rules errata because the art is so awesome. For example, the Homelands lands all cost 1 mana to filter, the Legends lands all add mana, and Oasis taps for a colorless.
I run Henge of Ramos in my Ramos, Dragon Engine deck. I also run the bones of Ramos (3 cost mana rocks that tap for one color and can save for one of the same color). Sometimes flavor over function.
My thoughts on each of these picks: (SPOILERS BELOW) *10: Archaeological Dig (Invasion)* Worse than Tendo Ice Bridge, which is worse than Aether Hub. It turns on Reflecting Pool for WUBRG, which is more than most lands can say, and at least unlike some of the lands on this list, at least you can get C out of it at all times... but it's still just so underwhelming. *9: Oasis (Arabian Nights)* What an underwhelming effect on a land with no mana ability. It was probably meant as a counter to Desert... which could tap for C. Yep, Wizards' balancing was almost nonexistent in 1993, and this card is just one of countless examples. *8: Rhystic Cave (Prophecy)* A land that can only be tapped at instant speed is pretty odd. A land that might not even get you mana when you tap it is abysmal. Sure, like Archaeological Dig it turns on Reflecting Pool, but it's still bad - much like most Rhystic cards. (Not Study though, that card's still awesome.) *7: Maze of Shadows (Tempest)* "T: Add C to your mana pool." That's really all I see here. Sure, you might be able to hose the odd Looter il-Kor, but what are the odds of that? Even though Maze of Ith doesn't tap for mana, it's still clearly the better card by virtue of its actually-quite-useful ability. *6: Sheltered Valley (Alliances)* I've seen an Oloro deck draw three cards with this after an Armageddon. Other than that, meh. At most you're gaining 3 life with this, which isn't the worst thing in the world, but it's not particularly useful. Radiant Fountain usually plays the "lifegain on a colorless land" role better anyway, and not many people play that either. *5: Adventurer's Guildhouse cycle (Legends)* lol bands with legends. It took a rule change many years later to make this cycle even remotely worth considering, and even then only in a Captain Sisay deck. The Karakas cycle taps for colored mana; why couldn't this one even tap for C? *4: Henge of Ramos (Mercadian Masques) and School of the Unseen (Alliances)* I feel bad about playing Unknown Shores in Limited, and yet it looks incredible compared to these two. They could be worse though... just look at #2! *3: Wintermoon Mesa (Prophecy)* Any land that enters tapped better be damn good to make up for it, and this land... wouldn't be all that great even if it entered untapped. I played this once in my Kozilek deck. Once. Never again. *2: An-Havva Township cycle (Homelands)* Easily the worst no-drawback lands in existence. Sure, they can all get you three colors, but at such a steep cost, it never feels worth it. Well, at least they tap for C without having to pay anything else. So do Wastes though, and since Kodama's Reach can pull them from my deck, I'd honestly rather play them than anything from this cycle. *1: SORROW'S PATH (The Dark)* I think this card speaks for itself. What a trash heap.
Being a basic land means that shit like Wasteland can’t get it and you can fetch it with any basic searcher, and both of those things are massive utility.
+OOM- 32 Except that there are enough other colorless mana producing lands that do something more relevant than make shadow creatures not attack you. I mentioned Karn, who is also a colorless general.
Before Wastes were printed I was indeed shoving things like Sheltered Valley into my colorless EDH decks just to make a decent land count. Actually I probably still would since with rare exceptions it's still no worse than a Wastes.
I’m pretty sure you can’t use them in elzrazi decks because it has to have the waste symbol which is why they changed sol ring from a 2, to 2 waste symbols, so you might as well put another waste
Well sheltered valley isnt bad in one mana decks. Its a free few extra life while you still get the Mana you need. Not much sure, but considering you dont sacrefice anything to do so makes it kind of playable. Its even better with artefacts.
Great video 👍 I'm a recent subscriber, and I appreciate you mentioning the application of odd cards in EDH and other generally wonky strategies. Keep up the great work!
Actually, I think Archaeological Deck saw some play thanks to effects like Second Sunrise, where having the land act as a Lotus Petal helped. This may have been during really old school Extended formats with Storm.
+Romano van Genderen Sure. If your opponent us blocking you with at least two creatures and none of your board dies to it and you don't mind it producing mana. And you have enough creatures with a keyword ability that is only a handful at this point. Then it is awesome.
even if enrage turns out to be as parasitic as Shadow, I am fucking thankful there are more decades between the two sets than most players have been alive.
@@Jonathan-qk5ed The only problem with banding is that they never put it on the right creatures. Banding only works if the creature is at least 1/2, but they only gave it to 1/1s (or made it cost a fortune). If you ever played Mesa Pegasus and Cr*s*de, you saw how 2 toughness unlocks banding without breaking the game. If they gave Squire banding, it would have been fun but not OP.
I built an EDH deck around Sorrow's Path (for the challenge) and it works pretty good. [FYI: I do not have many of the newer cards, but I make do with what I have]. My Commander is Jacques Il Vert (So all my green creatures will survive the path anyway). I also make use of En-Kors to redirect damage. Tamanoa gives me life for every non-creature damage I deal, so it counters the 2 dealt to me from the Path AND gives me 2 life for every creature I control when I tap the Path. Fungusaur and Wall of Resistance were also obvious choices. Of course I also carry Aether Flash (since my creatures are designed to survive the 2 point hit anyway). It was a fun challenge to build a deck around this horrible card, we were just amazed at how effective it is. Also, in a multi-player format, the power level of the deck skyrockets because I can use the path to cause chaos (and maybe gain lots of life) by switching blocking creatures when the attack is between two others.
I love cards that are so bad that they make you think about comboes where you manage to give it to an opponent. for example sorrow's path would be good with tangle wire
I just want to point out that Sorrow's Path could be used to mass kill off tokens for some kind of trigger on death effects. It could actually lead to some serious combos with the right enchantments on board
A deck with Stuffy Dolls and Brash Taunters could use the number one land pretty well. Each one would take and deal 2 damage to your opponent, then you could get a big creature through else you switch the blockers to have the damage done to Stuffy or Brash instead. Finish off by having brash taunted fight the biggest threat on board.
+Brandon Moist Thats a good one - not a ton of them but they are mostly broken, so it would be interesting to see the top 10. Will do that one soonish. Thanks for the suggestion!
God, maybe I'm just old and nostalgic, but I love the artwork and borders of sets long ago. I wonder how the younger players feel about it having not grown up with those sets.
About archeological did, there is a whole cycle of lands that can be sacrificed for one mana of any colour in Odyssey, like Bog Wreckage. Well, the make coloured mana instead of colourless, but they come into play tapped, meaning you have to wait one turn until you can sacrifice them for a weak effect.
I think treating them as lands might be the problem for some of these cards. If you count them as a "artifact" that just can't be played when you play a land can make them more useful.
Sheltered Valley -not good in EDH. Regular magic, you can make it work. Coming with winter orb and Undiscovered paradise. no problem generating at least 2 mana a turn. More if you add mana rocks. Obviously, it's a control build.
I actually used Archaeological Dig in Gitrog Monster. Play an untapped land, sac to add any color and draw a card. Sure it's not the best, but it's still a little bit of value in a land slot.
In defence you only need one creature with banding in group of blockers. In attack you can include one creature without banding into a group of attackers with banding, the group counts as one attacker. Since I was a judge way back then, the mechanic doesn't seem so troublesome to me. If you read the tiny rulebook that came with starter packs back then, there wasn't many cases where banding was problematic. But yeah there's a long list of rulings for specific situations.
There are actually crazy combo decks with Sorrows Path: You either give your opponent control of the land and force them to tap it, or you play creatures like Mogg Maniac, Boros Reckoner or Swans of Bryn Argoll that profit from getting damage.
1) play archaeological dig in titania 2) I agree, oasis is horrid 3)rhystic cave is part of my casual commander punisher deck 4) maze of shadows is bad, but I wish we had an energy version 5)sheltered Valley is bad 6)no comment on band lands 7)henge/school have better versions available 8)witchermoon is obnoxious with crucible 9)no. Just no. Just use the tarkir/alara Lands 10)I use it to kill 2 opponents blockers 10)
You know, I think I could make Sorrow's Path work quite nicely in my Teysa Karlov EDH deck. If someone with deathtouch is attacking the green player and he doesn't block the deathtouch with his big guy I could swap things around to remove two threats at once, AND it would kill a lot of my tokens, triggering a lot of death effects. I might need to get one of these.
This is great, even the worst land ever should now be interesting. Sorrows path say hello to enraged !!! : ) Keep it up wizards keep making cards that can turn disadvantages into advantages(this is the interesting bit about magic, not power cards imo)
@@shawndiaz7528 it hoses so many decks though and it prevents future creature plays the way Maze of Ith prevents future attacks ( just good brain games)
I know im late to the party but with this list: Contested War Zone frome Mirrodin Besieged It taps for 1 colorless, pay 1 colorless and tap it, all attacking creatures get +1/0 AND if an opponent deals combat damage to you, they gain control of it.
just use Odric, master tactician then Kappa. but yeah, situational at best. it's the one with nothing deal, we always try our best to use the worst cards.
BY THE WAY: 6:30 simply false. My competitive Kozilek, the Great Distortion deck runs 36 lands and I have about 40 lands in consideration right now. Let's throw some names out there: *Bazaar* *of* *Baghdad* ; *Command* *Beacon* ; *Field* *of* *Ruin* ; *Nephalia* *Academy* ; *Sea* *Gate* *Wreckage* ; *Sequestered* *Stash* ; *Urza* *Tron* Are these bad cards? Remember: they didn't make the cut. Whoever runs those useless filter lands or, god forbid, Wastes, either has an EXTREMELY low budget or an EXTREMELY low understanding of the game. Don't generalize colorless decks in such a bad way (having very bad players as the general baseline); mine has won a competitive 64 man tournament.
what i like about this list that you also see that WOTC is the learning curve in card design.. The oldest land is from invasion... This video also reminded me how awesome the game was back game.. no internet where everyone is netdecking.. That legends cards Adventurous´Guildhouse i remember some1 playing who was collecting only cards from the legends set. He played in multiplayer often a pure legends deck just for the fun and he played that land.. I remember also a boobies deck from him, where he played cards with only female who had a big rack.. And yes, i think the game was alot more fun back in those days, where lots of my old magic club quited playing when a few teenagers joined the club and at every tournament they used netdecked decks and won the tournament. Even in a 2headed giant tournament they came with netdecked decks.. The older guys (30+ yrs old) lost the interest in magic because those kids didn´t came up with these decks theirself. Yes, the older guys could have joined the darkside and netdecked theirself. But for them the deck design and then win a tournament is part of the game and what made magic interesting and fun for them. Eventhou i agreed with them on that topic, i never stopped playing magic.
I run 4 sorrows path in my legacy deck which focuses on donating it or an illusions of grandeur to an opponent. I tap their sorrows path with a trickster mage or an instant which lets me tap. Early Frost is a favorite of mine there. I own about 60 sorrows path in total.
man I used to play EDH and I"d try playing decks to win and people would tell me I was playing it wrong then they get upset when I say a card is bad in EDH because their BS justification is "you're just not playing casually enough" like yeah no shit I guess I'm not playing vintage casually enough either because I want to play a baleful strix instead of playing a wood elemental or whatever
Oasis is actually pretty good in horobi, deaths wail decks in addition to normal lands as a "0" mana hard to destroy card that reads Tap this permanent: if you control your commander destroy target creature. Although it is not the best for this effect.
Rainbow Vale from Fallen Empires is strictly worse than Archeological Dig. However it is more goofy, so I imagine that is why it gets more play. It taps to give mana of any color, then you pass control to the next opponent. If your entire group wants to get silly you just pass it around and everybody can cast their harder to cast cards. But if anyone plays to win, they just hold it until they need it for a game changing spell, or to win. Archeological Dig at least CAN be played without giving up card advantage, and at worst it is -1 if you sac it. It doesn't actively help your opponent. Rainbow Vale is WORSE than -1 card advantage and you don't even have the option to tap for colorless.
An-havva and co. would be pretty good, I think, if they tapped for one of their 'primary' color, and filtered for the others. Tap for G, or pay [1], tap for R or W.
I play archeological dig in legacy eggs. second sunrise and faiths reward return it to the battlefield each time I go through the cycle, allowing me to tap and sacrifice it multiple times in any given turn.
+Elijah D Yeah several people have left thus comment, which indicates it should not have made the list -- I chose to go with EDH-related evidence because my past "worst" top 10s bothered EDH people, but I shouldn't have abandoned my old method of looking to see if a card ever saw competitive play - I should just consider both!
I feel like Sorrow's path could be good if you run swarm with death triggers. I have a Kresh deck with saproling generation and it could make a decent combat trick in there.
I could see Sorrow's Path being used effectively in a Dinosaur deck with Enrage effects. I mean, I STILL don't think I'd use it, but I could see it. Oh, I See someone beat me to the punch here. Ah well.
on casual, i made an annoying deck where my win con was actually Sorrow's Path XD I used donate + then Ring of Gix to tap down the Path every turn. The deck is full Rune of Protections (chose them over Circle of Protections for cycling) + Sleight of Mind + Worship + other cards that will make your opponent want to smack you in the head with a folding chair XD. I think i also ran some counter magic like Arcane Denial and Forbid and some creatures with inherent protection from a color that i sometimes use the Sleight on while Worship is in play ... its no surprise i didnt make a lot of friends when i was running that deck xD
Found my new land staples
+_ Mosttoast Yup!
No! This isn't how you're supposed to play the game.
@@snakeorbreak6258 almost every land in this video is in the bad card trible deck and its funny
Strictly worse?
Let’s be honest here, Sorrow’s Path can be insane if you’re playing GB token sacrifice. Let us play out a scenario, you control a Dictate of Ereobos and 5 tapped 1/1 Saproling tokens with Slimefoot as your commander and a Mycoloth on the battlefield with 5 1/1 counters.
Your opponent is using a mono red goblin deck with Krenko in the command post. His field is a Goblin Warleader and 6 1/1 goblins with benefits from the leader.
Your opponent swings in with a 2/2 Goblin and the Warleader. You tap Sorrow’s Path and block 2 2/2 Goblins and kill your Saprolings and triggering Dictate’s effect. Killing your opponent’s field.
Then you scoop cause you’re playing Sorrow’s Path.
I approve of this. Great idea.
Wow never thought of that
#1: Homelands
+monkeymeister37 Touche
Shame cause had good art and when I played Magic in high school.
Memory Lapse and Merchant Scroll say hi.
At least the art is nice on most of these.
MOST
You're nice
Worst cards lists get a lot of attention - just ask Wedge...
countOfHenneberg probably because these kind of videos are really good at breaking down Magic's mechanics
Nah, list videos are just easy clicks.
archealogical dig actually saw a lot of tournament play in extended. and was played in some grand prix’s. it was played in “sunny side up” which is a combo deck based around “second sunrise” from mirrodin.
Not to mention it combos well with crucible of worlds and fastbond.
Use Sorrow's Path to trigger enrage for your dinosaur EDH deck?
+Norade lawl
that's actually quite clever damn. Get your card draws, damage and tokens out for a land tap, with an limited upside of exchanging attacking creatures... wow.
Dude!
Norade Uh clever idea
Yeah, it might actually be semiplayable in that one deck. Especially if rage is a keyword in battle
Sorrows path can be donated to opponents and you can force them to tap it. It will then deal 2 to them and all their creatures as the ability isn’t tied to the actual tap affect. This is a horrible game plan but hey zedruu can sometimes use it for lols
I was going to say the same thing. That land is only good if you can donate it to someone else and repeatedly tap it.
+BrotherAlpha If a card is good to donate, that means it is horrible.
Absolutely. I would be shocked if any non-Zedruu deck runs Sorrow's Path.
I was actually thinking sorrows path plus the enrage mechanic , bit still not worth it.
Grizzlyman MeinTeil Actually I think the best you could do is setup an awkward infinte dmg combo via an Indestructable Coalhauler Swine sporting a pariah. Then again you would be living so far in magical christmas land that The King of Narina would send out a search party.
The most devastating thing here is that the beautiful art work in all of these lands were wasted in horrible effects
I didn't realize that "land creature type" was a thing in Arabian Nights
Yeah...didn't you know that Dryad Arbor was printed as a limited edition that could only be found in the first 500 boxes of Arabian Nights? It was because of this limited print (which gave it a near mythical status) that it never made it onto the reserved list so it could be reprinted in Future Sight.
Alexis Filigree I see. I'm guessing it was shadowbanned, so it never saw play in constructed. That also shows that mythic rarity was an early concept that was brought back.
What, is that true? What'd the original Dryad Arbor look like? I can't imagine a world where Dryad Arbor didn't get beautiful FTV art that made me fall in love with Magic.. Would I even be playing Magic, if Dryad Arbor had been on the RL? o_0
A bit late to the party, but those guys are all being sarcastic.
@@alexisfiligree9116 by the rules of the Time Spiral block, it would have been in Time Spiral instead of Future Sight! (Future Sight cards haven't been printed yet.)
When I was 13, I pulled a An-Havva Township out of a booster. I thought it was the best thing ever.
It can do THREE colours.
Once I played it, I quickly realised that I was wrong
nowadays we have things like ikoria's triome, those are actually great
Oasis is strong in one deck that I know of: Horobi, Death's Wail turns Oasis into a 'tap to destroy a creature' land
The 47 decks that run Sorrow's Path are all Darien, King of Keldjor.
And Zedruu.
We should rename these "worst" series as cards to put into my Zedruu deck.
Alan Yuan ah, i see you're a man of culture as well
I just made this commander today! Vedalken Plotter is about to have a field day with some of these
Just run transcendence: give it to an opponent for an instant kill. Nothing could go wrong...
Group hug, politics, and gitrog monster Staples 😝
THANK YOU for your concise explanation of Banding, I have watched numerous videos attempting to explain the mechanic but the way you put it made a lot of sense
+Mason I spent a long time finding the right way to describe it in a way that both made sense and was brief, so I am glad you feel I succeeded.
if you go onto gamepedia they have a good list of the rules
Nice video but you should show the other cards you are talking about
I wanted to say this!
Cathedral of Serra is a very old, non mana producing land.
But i think it has really incredible art. Especially the italian version, is way more vibrant 😊
Another fun thing about non-mana producing lands like Oasis - In the old days you couldn't mulligan at will, you had to show your hand had zero lands, or all lands. This means if Oasis was the only land in your hand you could end up stuck with zero mana sources.
Before I watch the video. "Number one is going to be Sorrow's Path, isn't it?"
Ditto.
Some of these lands I play with house rules errata because the art is so awesome. For example, the Homelands lands all cost 1 mana to filter, the Legends lands all add mana, and Oasis taps for a colorless.
I love the flavor of non-mana-producing lands like Oasis and Adventurer's Guildhouse, but yeah...they're not great to play.
52.4 decks???
+MiningInBlack Yup, I did an average for that one because it is part of a cycle
Nizzahon Magic ahhhh makes sense
I run Henge of Ramos in my Ramos, Dragon Engine deck. I also run the bones of Ramos (3 cost mana rocks that tap for one color and can save for one of the same color).
Sometimes flavor over function.
My thoughts on each of these picks: (SPOILERS BELOW)
*10: Archaeological Dig (Invasion)*
Worse than Tendo Ice Bridge, which is worse than Aether Hub. It turns on Reflecting Pool for WUBRG, which is more than most lands can say, and at least unlike some of the lands on this list, at least you can get C out of it at all times... but it's still just so underwhelming.
*9: Oasis (Arabian Nights)*
What an underwhelming effect on a land with no mana ability. It was probably meant as a counter to Desert... which could tap for C. Yep, Wizards' balancing was almost nonexistent in 1993, and this card is just one of countless examples.
*8: Rhystic Cave (Prophecy)*
A land that can only be tapped at instant speed is pretty odd. A land that might not even get you mana when you tap it is abysmal. Sure, like Archaeological Dig it turns on Reflecting Pool, but it's still bad - much like most Rhystic cards. (Not Study though, that card's still awesome.)
*7: Maze of Shadows (Tempest)*
"T: Add C to your mana pool." That's really all I see here. Sure, you might be able to hose the odd Looter il-Kor, but what are the odds of that? Even though Maze of Ith doesn't tap for mana, it's still clearly the better card by virtue of its actually-quite-useful ability.
*6: Sheltered Valley (Alliances)*
I've seen an Oloro deck draw three cards with this after an Armageddon. Other than that, meh. At most you're gaining 3 life with this, which isn't the worst thing in the world, but it's not particularly useful. Radiant Fountain usually plays the "lifegain on a colorless land" role better anyway, and not many people play that either.
*5: Adventurer's Guildhouse cycle (Legends)*
lol bands with legends. It took a rule change many years later to make this cycle even remotely worth considering, and even then only in a Captain Sisay deck. The Karakas cycle taps for colored mana; why couldn't this one even tap for C?
*4: Henge of Ramos (Mercadian Masques) and School of the Unseen (Alliances)*
I feel bad about playing Unknown Shores in Limited, and yet it looks incredible compared to these two. They could be worse though... just look at #2!
*3: Wintermoon Mesa (Prophecy)*
Any land that enters tapped better be damn good to make up for it, and this land... wouldn't be all that great even if it entered untapped. I played this once in my Kozilek deck. Once. Never again.
*2: An-Havva Township cycle (Homelands)*
Easily the worst no-drawback lands in existence. Sure, they can all get you three colors, but at such a steep cost, it never feels worth it. Well, at least they tap for C without having to pay anything else. So do Wastes though, and since Kodama's Reach can pull them from my deck, I'd honestly rather play them than anything from this cycle.
*1: SORROW'S PATH (The Dark)*
I think this card speaks for itself. What a trash heap.
Being a basic land means that shit like Wasteland can’t get it and you can fetch it with any basic searcher, and both of those things are massive utility.
In my opinion the worst lands are the ones that don't tap for any type of Mana, and can't provide any Mana benefit in any way.
In fact, some of these colorless mana producing lands can be used in eldrazi edh decks with no downsides at all.
+OOM- 32 Except that there are enough other colorless mana producing lands that do something more relevant than make shadow creatures not attack you. I mentioned Karn, who is also a colorless general.
Before Wastes were printed I was indeed shoving things like Sheltered Valley into my colorless EDH decks just to make a decent land count. Actually I probably still would since with rare exceptions it's still no worse than a Wastes.
Actually if someone cast, i don't know, a path to exile or something, then you probably want wastes.
I’m pretty sure you can’t use them in elzrazi decks because it has to have the waste symbol which is why they changed sol ring from a 2, to 2 waste symbols, so you might as well put another waste
Well sheltered valley isnt bad in one mana decks. Its a free few extra life while you still get the Mana you need. Not much sure, but considering you dont sacrefice anything to do so makes it kind of playable. Its even better with artefacts.
Harmless offering and Sorrows Path
Wither Miller lol, harmless offering ftw
Experimental Frenzy and Harmless offering. Especially if they have no red. Lol
Lands are my favorite card type in mtg. I always collect at least a play set of every new uncommon and common lands no matter the power level
Great video 👍 I'm a recent subscriber, and I appreciate you mentioning the application of odd cards in EDH and other generally wonky strategies. Keep up the great work!
Actually, I think Archaeological Deck saw some play thanks to effects like Second Sunrise, where having the land act as a Lotus Petal helped. This may have been during really old school Extended formats with Storm.
Isn't Sorrow's Path a repeatable Enrage trigger for all your creatures at once??
+Romano van Genderen Sure. If your opponent us blocking you with at least two creatures and none of your board dies to it and you don't mind it producing mana. And you have enough creatures with a keyword ability that is only a handful at this point. Then it is awesome.
even if enrage turns out to be as parasitic as Shadow, I am fucking thankful there are more decades between the two sets than most players have been alive.
Romano van Genderen omg edh really does find a place for every. Single. Card.
The banding lands rock! I played the whole cycle in my legendary creature deck. It was so annoying that I had to tear the deck apart.
Yes, finally another player who actually understands how good the Banding mechanic is. Sounds like a sweet deck.
@@Jonathan-qk5ed The only problem with banding is that they never put it on the right creatures. Banding only works if the creature is at least 1/2, but they only gave it to 1/1s (or made it cost a fortune). If you ever played Mesa Pegasus and Cr*s*de, you saw how 2 toughness unlocks banding without breaking the game. If they gave Squire banding, it would have been fun but not OP.
I built an EDH deck around Sorrow's Path (for the challenge) and it works pretty good. [FYI: I do not have many of the newer cards, but I make do with what I have]. My Commander is Jacques Il Vert (So all my green creatures will survive the path anyway). I also make use of En-Kors to redirect damage. Tamanoa gives me life for every non-creature damage I deal, so it counters the 2 dealt to me from the Path AND gives me 2 life for every creature I control when I tap the Path. Fungusaur and Wall of Resistance were also obvious choices. Of course I also carry Aether Flash (since my creatures are designed to survive the 2 point hit anyway). It was a fun challenge to build a deck around this horrible card, we were just amazed at how effective it is.
Also, in a multi-player format, the power level of the deck skyrockets because I can use the path to cause chaos (and maybe gain lots of life) by switching blocking creatures when the attack is between two others.
I love cards that are so bad that they make you think about comboes where you manage to give it to an opponent. for example sorrow's path would be good with tangle wire
Sorrow's Path's effect is pretty interesting mechanically, they should print it on a card that's actually playable.
Maze of shadows wouldn't be terrible in a colorless edh deck. You could just have it replace a basic wastes.
Terrible cards, but i absolutely LOVE the artwork in these cards so much!
Archaeological Dig is actually good in Legacy Eggs combo
I just want to point out that Sorrow's Path could be used to mass kill off tokens for some kind of trigger on death effects. It could actually lead to some serious combos with the right enchantments on board
A deck with Stuffy Dolls and Brash Taunters could use the number one land pretty well. Each one would take and deal 2 damage to your opponent, then you could get a big creature through else you switch the blockers to have the damage done to Stuffy or Brash instead. Finish off by having brash taunted fight the biggest threat on board.
any chance for a top 10 phyrexian mana cards!!!
+Brandon Moist Thats a good one - not a ton of them but they are mostly broken, so it would be interesting to see the top 10. Will do that one soonish. Thanks for the suggestion!
God, maybe I'm just old and nostalgic, but I love the artwork and borders of sets long ago. I wonder how the younger players feel about it having not grown up with those sets.
Yep; love the old art
I tried to build a deck where I could tap sorrow's path for mana but the downside triggers when it's tapped for any reason. :/
So Zedruu/Donate Sorrow's Path and then use cards like Rishadan Port or Scepter/Twiddle to Clasm them to oblivion?
Will the last land work in a dinosaur deck.. when you want you creaturs to take damged?
I going to fill a binder with sarrors paths
don't read the errata on sorrow's path unless you want your head to explode.
Your "Worst" videos are the best!
About archeological did, there is a whole cycle of lands that can be sacrificed for one mana of any colour in Odyssey, like Bog Wreckage. Well, the make coloured mana instead of colourless, but they come into play tapped, meaning you have to wait one turn until you can sacrifice them for a weak effect.
+Schwarzer Ritter Yup, making colored mana instead is a big deal though, those are played a lot more
I used to play the Dig in constructed back in the days, in a Balancing Act deck. :D
Gitrog Monster: Hi Archaeological Dig. This is my friend Crucible of Worlds.
I think treating them as lands might be the problem for some of these cards. If you count them as a "artifact" that just can't be played when you play a land can make them more useful.
Sheltered Valley -not good in EDH.
Regular magic, you can make it work. Coming with winter orb and Undiscovered paradise. no problem generating at least 2 mana a turn. More if you add mana rocks. Obviously, it's a control build.
+Arthur Kimes Give me a call when you win some games in Vintage/Legacy using it.
I won some games with it when it was Type II legal!
Sorrow's Path is great in Gishath. If anyone tries to block with more than 1 creature, you can tap the Path and trigger Enrage
I actually used Archaeological Dig in Gitrog Monster. Play an untapped land, sac to add any color and draw a card. Sure it's not the best, but it's still a little bit of value in a land slot.
In defence you only need one creature with banding in group of blockers. In attack you can include one creature without banding into a group of attackers with banding, the group counts as one attacker. Since I was a judge way back then, the mechanic doesn't seem so troublesome to me. If you read the tiny rulebook that came with starter packs back then, there wasn't many cases where banding was problematic. But yeah there's a long list of rulings for specific situations.
There are actually crazy combo decks with Sorrows Path:
You either give your opponent control of the land and force them to tap it, or you play creatures like Mogg Maniac, Boros Reckoner or Swans of Bryn Argoll that profit from getting damage.
+Tom Eisenbeiß "Crazy Combo" seems a bit hyperbolic. Not the biggest payoffs for having so much set up.
I meant "crazy" in terms of "unconventional", not in terms of "powerfull"
+Tom Eisenbeiß Ah, gotcha.
Tom Eisenbeiß basically force them to use the shitty card
1) play archaeological dig in titania
2) I agree, oasis is horrid
3)rhystic cave is part of my casual commander punisher deck
4) maze of shadows is bad, but I wish we had an energy version
5)sheltered Valley is bad
6)no comment on band lands
7)henge/school have better versions available
8)witchermoon is obnoxious with crucible
9)no. Just no. Just use the tarkir/alara Lands
10)I use it to kill 2 opponents blockers
10)
Art is so good in a lot of these!
Sorrows path is actually super useful in Zedruu
You know, I think I could make Sorrow's Path work quite nicely in my Teysa Karlov EDH deck. If someone with deathtouch is attacking the green player and he doesn't block the deathtouch with his big guy I could swap things around to remove two threats at once, AND it would kill a lot of my tokens, triggering a lot of death effects. I might need to get one of these.
Sorrow's Path seems interesting with enrage triggers or cards like Kami of the Honored Dead, so it's not completely worthless.
This is great, even the worst land ever should now be interesting.
Sorrows path say hello to enraged !!!
: )
Keep it up wizards keep making cards that can turn disadvantages into advantages(this is the interesting bit about magic, not power cards imo)
I can see sorrows path working really well in a dino commander deck since well dinos have all those enrage triggers you can do silly things with
archeological dig also lets you produce and any color in mono brown
TIL Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale is "kind of solid in EDH" (2:22) :P
M B It's basically blank against a lot of decks
@@shawndiaz7528 it hoses so many decks though and it prevents future creature plays the way Maze of Ith prevents future attacks ( just good brain games)
@@Jonathan-qk5ed idk what I was on a year ago it's the best land in EDH lol
There's a lot of good art there lol
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If you build a defender decks with plenty of basic Oasis cards, would you be building a Wonderwall?
Should probably have Wonder in your graveyard
the last card can be used in that dinasaur deck - enrage synergy, they pretty much all have more then 2 hp
I know im late to the party but with this list: Contested War Zone frome Mirrodin Besieged
It taps for 1 colorless, pay 1 colorless and tap it, all attacking creatures get +1/0 AND if an opponent deals combat damage to you, they gain control of it.
Card has actually seen some legit fringe play
Sorrow's path is actually pretty dope in a En-kor + stuffy doll/boros reckoner deck.
+GalaticCyrus Your opponent will just never block with two creatures, though. They know it is coming.
just use Odric, master tactician then Kappa. but yeah, situational at best. it's the one with nothing deal, we always try our best to use the worst cards.
Turn 1: Oasis
Turn 2: Oasis
Turn 3: Oasis
Turn 4: Oasis; game's over
Turn 5: Urborg; broken
jk
BY THE WAY: 6:30
simply false. My competitive Kozilek, the Great Distortion deck runs 36 lands and I have about 40 lands in consideration right now. Let's throw some names out there:
*Bazaar* *of* *Baghdad* ; *Command* *Beacon* ; *Field* *of* *Ruin* ; *Nephalia* *Academy* ; *Sea* *Gate* *Wreckage* ; *Sequestered* *Stash* ; *Urza* *Tron*
Are these bad cards? Remember: they didn't make the cut. Whoever runs those useless filter lands or, god forbid, Wastes, either has an EXTREMELY low budget or an EXTREMELY low understanding of the game. Don't generalize colorless decks in such a bad way (having very bad players as the general baseline); mine has won a competitive 64 man tournament.
Wouldn't Sorrow's Path be pretty busted in Enraged theme decks?
I run a Karn mud deck that uses some of the lands you listed purely for their cheap price and compatibility. Deck as a whole is a monster though.
Archaeological dig is a good card actually. It is used in a second sunrise and faith's reward combo deck my friend plays.
what i like about this list that you also see that WOTC is the learning curve in card design.. The oldest land is from invasion...
This video also reminded me how awesome the game was back game.. no internet where everyone is netdecking.. That legends cards Adventurous´Guildhouse i remember some1 playing who was collecting only cards from the legends set. He played in multiplayer often a pure legends deck just for the fun and he played that land..
I remember also a boobies deck from him, where he played cards with only female who had a big rack..
And yes, i think the game was alot more fun back in those days, where lots of my old magic club quited playing when a few teenagers joined the club and at every tournament they used netdecked decks and won the tournament. Even in a 2headed giant tournament they came with netdecked decks.. The older guys (30+ yrs old) lost the interest in magic because those kids didn´t came up with these decks theirself.
Yes, the older guys could have joined the darkside and netdecked theirself. But for them the deck design and then win a tournament is part of the game and what made magic interesting and fun for them.
Eventhou i agreed with them on that topic, i never stopped playing magic.
Number 1:
Plains
Sorrow's Path is great with Boros Reckoner/Spitemare/Stuffy Doll.
I would say Kjeldoran but your team gets blasted the second time you produce it.
Oasis and fertile ground through?
PS: I recently decided to start collecting School of the Unseen, just because.
lol the first land you show Archaeological Dig sounds so good in a Muldrotha, the Gravetide landfall deck
I run 4 sorrows path in my legacy deck which focuses on donating it or an illusions of grandeur to an opponent. I tap their sorrows path with a trickster mage or an instant which lets me tap. Early Frost is a favorite of mine there. I own about 60 sorrows path in total.
man I used to play EDH and I"d try playing decks to win and people would tell me I was playing it wrong then they get upset when I say a card is bad in EDH because their BS justification is "you're just not playing casually enough" like yeah no shit I guess I'm not playing vintage casually enough either because I want to play a baleful strix instead of playing a wood elemental or whatever
I’ve seen an Azusa Commander deck with like 60 Forests This Card and big Green Legendaries they also had the Guildhouse
Can confirm your final point: I bought Sorrow's Path and it's staying in the binder
Archaeological Dig was more than fair in Invasion limited.
can you pair sorrows with idk a stuffy doll? lol
No mention of battery lands?
Oasis is actually pretty good in horobi, deaths wail decks in addition to normal lands as a "0" mana hard to destroy card that reads Tap this permanent: if you control your commander destroy target creature. Although it is not the best for this effect.
Rainbow Vale from Fallen Empires is strictly worse than Archeological Dig. However it is more goofy, so I imagine that is why it gets more play. It taps to give mana of any color, then you pass control to the next opponent. If your entire group wants to get silly you just pass it around and everybody can cast their harder to cast cards. But if anyone plays to win, they just hold it until they need it for a game changing spell, or to win. Archeological Dig at least CAN be played without giving up card advantage, and at worst it is -1 if you sac it. It doesn't actively help your opponent. Rainbow Vale is WORSE than -1 card advantage and you don't even have the option to tap for colorless.
An-havva and co. would be pretty good, I think, if they tapped for one of their 'primary' color, and filtered for the others. Tap for G, or pay [1], tap for R or W.
I play archeological dig in legacy eggs. second sunrise and faiths reward return it to the battlefield each time I go through the cycle, allowing me to tap and sacrifice it multiple times in any given turn.
+Elijah D Yeah several people have left thus comment, which indicates it should not have made the list -- I chose to go with EDH-related evidence because my past "worst" top 10s bothered EDH people, but I shouldn't have abandoned my old method of looking to see if a card ever saw competitive play - I should just consider both!
Rhystic cave in a commander deck where you use it to trade for another players land
I feel like Sorrow's path could be good if you run swarm with death triggers. I have a Kresh deck with saproling generation and it could make a decent combat trick in there.
I could see Sorrow's Path being used effectively in a Dinosaur deck with Enrage effects. I mean, I STILL don't think I'd use it, but I could see it.
Oh, I See someone beat me to the punch here. Ah well.
sorrow's Path work fine with a dino deck, when you need forms of damage your creatures. I dont say its OP, but maybe not the worst land.
on casual, i made an annoying deck where my win con was actually Sorrow's Path XD I used donate + then Ring of Gix to tap down the Path every turn. The deck is full Rune of Protections (chose them over Circle of Protections for cycling) + Sleight of Mind + Worship + other cards that will make your opponent want to smack you in the head with a folding chair XD. I think i also ran some counter magic like Arcane Denial and Forbid and some creatures with inherent protection from a color that i sometimes use the Sleight on while Worship is in play
... its no surprise i didnt make a lot of friends when i was running that deck xD
isn't sheltered valley good if drawn early and it was the first card played? i mean gaining 3 extra life could save you in the end right?
+aber deus 8531 Eh. Not when it produces colorless mana and becomes a complete dud by turn 4.
Answer for sorrows path, Light of sanction (or is it sanction of light) from og Ravnica