American Class Hierarchy System

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  • In this video I deep dive into the true class hierarchy in the United States of America. The US is often thought of as a classless society, but in reality the public square is the battlefield of a jostling elite and counter-elite struggling for control of the nations' institutions.
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    @AFNick  13 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

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  • @nicholassterling5242
    @nicholassterling5242 ปีที่แล้ว +165

    You articulate a very sensitive, very difficult topic in a way that is easy to grasp, eminently accessible, and exhibits more depth and grounding in the realities of the present day socioeconomic & political stife than I have seen most others who discuss it be capable of. Thank you for your work.

    • @el_amor
      @el_amor 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Bro’s glazing like a mf 😂

    • @nicholassterling5242
      @nicholassterling5242 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@el_amor yeah I was💀 but despite me being a pretentious mf, I still think the guy made a good video about an interesting topic

  • @KudaMan
    @KudaMan 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +256

    Crazy how the Ivy Leagues filter heavily for compliance. Almost, if not more than competency. You gotta grind for the SAT, perfect GPA, have all these extracurriculars etc. They want you to be competent, of course, but they also want to ensure you are someone who knows how to obey the rules so you don't break their system. Same logic applies to becoming a doctor.

    • @TehGettinq
      @TehGettinq 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

      It's the same in "big tech" companies. The interview process imply that you are extremely compliant as they make you go through the most ridiculous of hoops and you need to work very hard to pass interviews that are completely unrelated to what you will be doing. They filter for psychometric traits more than skills, compliance (called agreeableness) and mental stability being the top 2 in my opinion, I think your remark is spot on.

    • @OceanBlueKeys
      @OceanBlueKeys 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +34

      Well I’d most certainly hope they’d screen out any would-be doctors who have a propensity for breaking rules and not following procedure/guidelines backed by clinical evidence… But I get where you’re coming from.

    • @Bb-jm6wx
      @Bb-jm6wx 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Why do you say that about doctor?

    • @KudaMan
      @KudaMan 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @@Bb-jm6wx it's the same idea. They make you jump through so many hoops just to prove how much you are willing to comply with their system. Those hoops don't have much to do with how good or insightful of a doctor you will be, but more so how obedient you are.

    • @elonmusknewsnetwork
      @elonmusknewsnetwork 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      perfect reason why I never became a doctor 😂😂😂

  • @WyattEmge
    @WyattEmge หลายเดือนก่อน +284

    As a business owner that dropped out of college and couldnt deal with corporate life. I agree on the split. You either find your own way to capital or you align and find it that way. Both examples iv seen generate wealth in USA. I just could never work for "someone" i always had to be independent. Luckily i have a skill that is highly paid so it worked out

    • @superman10501
      @superman10501 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      What do you do?

    • @WyattEmge
      @WyattEmge หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      @superman10501 General contractor

    • @gloobark
      @gloobark 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      hell yeah brother good shit. fuck a manager its just me and my clients

    • @crosses101
      @crosses101 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

      ​@WyattEmge I have a friend who's a general contractor. He just went homeless. So don't oversimplify the situation. U have connections.

    • @WyattEmge
      @WyattEmge 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

      @crosses101 yeah competing with me isn't easy.

  • @thefourthrabbit9516
    @thefourthrabbit9516 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +50

    Very insightful theory and analysis. More strikingly, I found that China (where I lived for the past 20 years) is the only other country that fits this model very well. If you replace "Ivy League Class" with "985/211 Class" and "Establishment Elite" with "CCP Ruling Elites," you get the perfect replica of this double-peak class structure in China.
    Many people assume that China is the polar opposite of the US in every single aspect. But in reality, China is like the mirror image of the US. Both societies are characterized by colossal power distances (China even more so than the US). Chinese people generally have a pretty accurate idea about how their society works (they would agree with your class structure). In contrast, Americans tend to have little idea or a romanticized view of the US class system.

  • @joesmith942
    @joesmith942 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +74

    I have always felt something was missing in social class schemes for the US. I couldn't figure out what it was, but I knew that something was off. This double peak model really addresses the unease I had. This is very cool. Way to go.

  • @bobbab5759
    @bobbab5759 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +74

    I found the comment about the institutional professional class serving the Ivy League class particularly interesting, because my industry is designed specifically to do that. I have worked for information and analytics companies (think: Bloomberg), went to state school, but am paid well. My customers have been investment banks, big consulting and large law firms. Also - while I peaked at "mid-senior" roles I have noticed that a level up from me the senior managers are almost always Ivy League elites hired into the company.

    • @zwatwashdc
      @zwatwashdc 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

      Yes, I realized after not too long in my career that once you got up close to the people who were making the easy money - large salaries, great benefits, great mobility plus extra consultancy or board gigs, etc., all those people were Ivy League and it was a club I was just not going to be admitted to.

    • @_Cartographer_
      @_Cartographer_ 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@zwatwashdcwhy not just do an Ivy League mba ?

    • @codeintherough
      @codeintherough 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Ceo of Walmart went to university of Arkansas. Or would Walmart be considered Anti elite new money group?

    • @bobbab5759
      @bobbab5759 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @@codeintherough Economically, elite of course. But class is more than economics which was the point of the book Class, by Paul Fussell. And it makes sense to me. I grew up very working class and economically lower middle. I make what people would call upper middle class money in a nice white collar environment but I can feel the differences socially.

    • @evancombs5159
      @evancombs5159 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      ​@@codeintherough first these are not distinct groups with hard lines between them. There are gradients between the groups. Walmart is one of those cases where it straddles the line between establishment and counter.

  • @yever4635
    @yever4635 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    Currently doing a media literacy workshop and was struggling on how to explain the American class system and how that affects money, access to media, and what media gets funded. This video plus the "Old Money" Video is such a lifesaver. Most of the media literacy dialogue I've reviewed is completely void of this important factor or just barely reviews it, so I'm immensely thankful. Thank you!!!

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      You're welcome

    • @vex6543
      @vex6543 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You’re doing s workshop on something you don’t understand, classic

    • @yever4635
      @yever4635 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @vex6543 I understand this because I have been personally affected and see the effects of it constantly in several spheres of influence over several decades. Teaching and experiencing are two completely different concepts. Ex: You have people who are excellent artists but crappy art teachers. What this video has done is condensed an incredibly dense concept into a more digestible format. Making it an excellent teaching resource. The struggle I had was on how to disseminate the information to someone who has not experienced what I have. What this video just explained has done so much more effectively and concisely than I could have by myself. Hence, my message of gratitude.
      Try doing the same yourself before criticizing people on limited information. That's like critiquing an experienced mechanic for appreciating an effective tool that makes his job easier.

    • @vex6543
      @vex6543 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@yever4635 put this much effort into teaching 😂

    • @kalonjiwilliams8889
      @kalonjiwilliams8889 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@vex6543Are they not putting in more effort? A great teacher continues to learn and refine ideas overtime.

  • @kingofthesofas
    @kingofthesofas 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

    I started off in the underclass. Both of my parents were on government support and were abusive hoarders. I grew up on government cheese. I am now pretty high on the chart and close to the counter elite. I went to college but never went to a fancy IVY league school and I now make a very high income in the 1%. My goal is to finish climbing close to the top of the pyramid and then write a book about what it was like to leave at each level of society since I have lived them all.

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I look forward to reading it

    • @jaanth314
      @jaanth314 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It would be interesting to hear your story.

    • @ryanlee-p1c
      @ryanlee-p1c 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Your experience is typical of the pull yourself up by the bootstraps. Its a american trait that I respect

  • @erichanson5194
    @erichanson5194 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Great video, I am really enjoying this series.

  • @archstanton3931
    @archstanton3931 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    Class analysis is a powerful tool for understanding the world. It's great to see someone applying it to the actual modern day classes instead of brainlessly trying to make modern facts fit obsolete theory.

  • @Luka23567
    @Luka23567 ปีที่แล้ว +103

    Underclass = Oppressed decay of Capitalism. The unemployed. Underemployed. They depend on the financial support of others for survival. Homeless fit into this category. I’d put this number as about 20%-30% of the population.
    Working class = The Working poor with no access or limited access to capital/equity. Anybody who lives from paycheck to paycheck. Anybody without at least 50-100k in liquidity or equity. I’d put this as around 50-60% of the population.
    These two groups interchange quite fluidly. It is very easy to drop from working class to underclass and vice versa. These two groups are the backbone on which capital derives it’s wealth from, aka productive laborers.

    • @KINGCABA-if4nk
      @KINGCABA-if4nk ปีที่แล้ว +10

      So true.
      But there’s multiple layers
      Working class.
      Upper working class- skilled labours - Mechanics, self-employed or blue/pink collars owners.
      Middle working poor- semi skilled. Waiters/retails, apprentices, assistant to mechanic/hairdressers.
      Working Lower class - cleaners, labours, seasonal labour- with some government assistance
      And the underclasses is also apart of the working class.
      But there upper underclass is completed government assistance but it’s temporary accommodation.
      Lower underclass is homelessness.

    • @e.t.theextraterristrial837
      @e.t.theextraterristrial837 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I'm in rhe middle path.
      Boring 9-5 middle class job.
      Save 50% of my income and put it to work in the stock market.
      Trying to F. I. R. E my way out of the system to have the freedom to work rather than the obligation to work.

    • @Luka23567
      @Luka23567 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@e.t.theextraterristrial837 the only way out of it is through inheritance. Inflation has completely destroyed any chance of people saving or budgeting their way out of this misery. It’s just work to survive now. Work to exist. Absolutely insane how bad it’s gotten

    • @gwills9337
      @gwills9337 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Agree the bottom half of classes are losing their boundaries and are really just debt slaves

    • @Aglai76
      @Aglai76 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@e.t.theextraterristrial837 idk what F.I.R.E. means but may I ask gore much you make that you're able to dedicate half your income to the stock market?

  • @Brian_Friesen
    @Brian_Friesen 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    I have worked in a public transit agency (union job, pays well) for 24 years, but I started my own asphalt business four years ago. I have one foot in each tower. This diagram very well describes what I observe.
    I hope to break out of my institutional job and make it to the successful business owners class.

  • @johnchao2422
    @johnchao2422 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    Happy to have found you while you're on the come up

  • @hjtechguy
    @hjtechguy 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    This is an incredible social analysis. I worked my way up to being part of the "Ivy League elite", and now all my friends are in that class (doctors, lawyers etc.). But they all feel that unease of not being part of the "establishment elite". They want to break into it, but are burdened by heavy taxation and lifestyle inflation that makes it very difficult. Them living in the most expensive apartments in NYC is the best example.
    Race and love also add interesting dimensions here. My friends and I are not white, so that makes us a bit less in the Ivy League elite class compared to white peers (in East Coast far more so than West Coast). Men in this class try to find partners in similar class, while women try to go those above that class for hypergamy reasons. This is why Asian Female White Male as an example is a huge thing in the US, because it marriages race, partnership, and class together.
    Women in the Establishment Elite are in the most interesting situation because there really is no way to move up in hypergamy/class ladder, only move down by marrying men in the lower class, which never ends up well. Or most likely stay in the same class but the percentage of men in that elite tranche are very tiny, so marriage prospects are hard and require external help.

  • @felipe741
    @felipe741 หลายเดือนก่อน +60

    Need a video on “elite overproduction”
    Highly interesting topic that’s close to this video

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      I’ll add it to the list

    • @gwills9337
      @gwills9337 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Rome Rome, ancient rome

    • @laughinggiraffe9176
      @laughinggiraffe9176 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Only the establishment elite is overproduced, because our universities are designed to overproduce the establishment elite.

    • @codeintherough
      @codeintherough 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I went read about this on Google and still don't quite understand. It seems to say that too many "elites" are produced , the "institutions" can't absorb them which leads to social unrest, then later says that college student become progressive not because they went to college but because of unemployment a lack of jobs, which I take to mean jobs in their field that pay a decent wage. It seems to imply that society is instilling the ideals of a high quality of life in more people than it should. But from another angle you could just say under production of elite jobs. If being a software developer for instance is considered elite and I mention this job because of the huge layoffs and it's commonly known they make six figures. But there are many software developers who work freelance and earn very well or even create startups that employ more people.
      So this overproduction under production thing is a natural part of the economy and technological development as old jobs become obsolete and new jobs are created.
      It's not like the old days where there could only be one Duke over an area. We can create whole new domains and become the king of that domains
      Or maybe I don't know what the hell I'm talking about

    • @unknowninfinium4353
      @unknowninfinium4353 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      No such thing as over production.
      Overporudction is by default loss. But you should know that by now right? Or you try to right?

  • @stellamaxwell777
    @stellamaxwell777 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Fantastic, Nick! You’re the first person I’ve heard who has talked about the lack of critical thinking and conformity among the Ivy League class. I’ve always been dumbfounded by how people who are meant to be the most intelligent crop of our country end up being so simple minded-good at what they’ve been trained to do but little else…
    Question: do you think something has flipped in modern society where the Ivy League class has taken over the social and political power that the Establishment Elite once held through the technology of the internet and of social media? I ask because I don’t think the establishment elite are really interested in pushing the woke ideology you mention…I’ve actually seen it the other way around, where the youth of the establishment elite are learning and taking on the narrative and worldview of the Ivy League class because it’s what they need to do to get along in their peer group and society at large. From my personal experience, even just being a moderate on a college campus or in a major city in the US is enough to mark you as a bit of a pariah. And as you said, the establishment elite play the long game of going along to get along.
    If so, do you think the culture can or will flip back to establishment elite control? Or do you see a presidential run like RFK Jr’s as a sign that the establishment elite are willing to commit class treason by crossing over to the realm of counterculture elite as a way to regain power and stabilize society. At what point does the counterculture become the establishment again?

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good questions. I’ll answer them in a future video

    • @munaali840
      @munaali840 หลายเดือนก่อน

      the Ivy league is simply all the elites kids, it was always created by the elite for the elite to rule. thats why what they call 'thinking' courses History, Philosophy, Theology, Literature are taught while the masses at state colleges were given technical skills that would lead them to a better job, german-americans tried to add more for the masses but they were taken out of real political power in america by ww1 and completely destroyed after ww2

  • @eurodelano
    @eurodelano วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is a great explanation of what is going on in the US politically today. Most insightful for me was distinguishing class in America as not only one’s access to capital and how it was obtained, but also one’s access to institutional power.

  • @ZenBen_the_Elder
    @ZenBen_the_Elder 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    This is a fascinating and provocative thesis. When the lecturer showed the first graph of the conventional class hierarchy, I picked up my head and knew that the AI had steered me to the right address to update my outdated late 20th century cognitive map.
    My man is right. His model of the bifurcated class structure and the competing elites at the top of those twin towers is a more refined understanding.
    Downloading update now.

  • @SCNYC
    @SCNYC หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I'm a new big fan of yours because you have fresh logical ideas about how our society really works.

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thanks for the kind words

  • @lennyf923
    @lennyf923 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hey great video, just a quick question. How come you didn't add any separation between the "Independent Professional Class" and "Successful Business Owners"? I personally feel like that's a particularly difficult stage to get to from the previous stage.

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      It’s difficult but attainable at a probability high enough not to have a gap.

  • @Urlocallordandsavior
    @Urlocallordandsavior ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Do you have any good book recommendations that goes further into America's class hierarchy? Sounds very interesting. Also, wouldn't the counter-elite become the new established elite once they toppled the old elite? Then the system starts all over...

    • @ContrarianExpatriate
      @ContrarianExpatriate 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Class, by Paul Fussell is a great book on the subject.

    • @munaali840
      @munaali840 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      yes, thats what happened when the WASPs were taken over by the Jewish elites and the new money, your seeing it again with foreign tech bros trying to gain power

  • @simaszavistauskas6390
    @simaszavistauskas6390 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    As another viewer commented, elite overproduction is an interesting symptom that occurs within the established elite. What is the cause? Wealth pumps (ie, using a serf based economy to create substantial wealth) created large swaths of highly educated elite aspirants. A certain % of these elite aspirants are frustrated by their lack of ability to earn the crown of becoming an "established elite". Such individuals become counter revolutionaries and attempt to dismantle the very same system they attempted to dominate in, hence the extremities we've seen in radical right and left (more so left, in this case) wing political groups. "End Times" by Peter Turchin touches on this concept with great depth using historical data. A fascinating read!

  • @PatMcRay-fm8fw
    @PatMcRay-fm8fw 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Honestly, this is by far the best analysis on Americans social hierarchy that I have heard. Great work!

  • @mwtichenor
    @mwtichenor หลายเดือนก่อน +158

    Nailed it. Most people are debating whether Haitians in Ohio are eating cats.

    • @samueltucker8473
      @samueltucker8473 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Racoons and cats there is not much difference. . . Racoons have better hands than cats. Chicken Bones are hollower.

    • @ONEBALLINMYBUTT
      @ONEBALLINMYBUTT 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Lmao fr

    • @h.w.4482
      @h.w.4482 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Haitians in Haiti are eating people lmao

    • @billdee814
      @billdee814 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

      You have to understand that in the debate pet eating was mentioned only to bring attention to Spring Field Ohio. If Trump spoke about it in a intelligent manor no one would would have paid any attention to the crisis. People are now looking into the problem in this town. 20,000 Haitian migrants have been placed into Spring Field mostly facilitated by the local mayor and federal government. (this is a town with only 60,000 residents) The issues are schools, medical, housing, town/govt service are stressed to the maximum. Just to get an idea. The school system has typical classroom over crowding with 10 to 20 non English speaking Haitian's in the classroom. Many of the Haitian students are over 18 years old taking 9th grade studies. So this is just a taste of what will happen to many towns in America if the current democrats are elected.

    • @jghifiversveiws8729
      @jghifiversveiws8729 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +33

      @@billdee814 There aren't even 20,000 Haitians in the entire State of Ohio. Please stop peddling this lie.

  • @djenning90
    @djenning90 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This split makes a lot of sense, and understanding this distinction is very relevant to me. In my life, I see myself as having tried to find success in the counter elite, but finding myself falling into the counter elite, which is not where I want to be.

  • @zwatwashdc
    @zwatwashdc 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    This should be taught in school. It would make the future much more intelligible to young people who need to make hard decisions about student loans, etc. They should first target their ‘box’ then narrow it down to skills they need to succeed int that box.

  • @mycaryse7108
    @mycaryse7108 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Great info man, such a unique perspective and breakdown. What you say makes a lot of sense

  • @TheFactsMan
    @TheFactsMan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great Video!

  • @gangsta8929
    @gangsta8929 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Strong agree on the idea of “diversity” covering up the homogeneity of the establishment.

  • @matt46142
    @matt46142 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I think this perfectly encapsulates the current political polarization and left/right divide

  • @Mark-id8ff
    @Mark-id8ff 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    If I were lower middle class or in lower socio-economic class, I would do whatever I could to move to Europe. I think Europe does a better job of catering to these classes than the US. That being said, as I am now retired and was a member of the "Institutional Professional Class" (according to your classification system), that puts me in the upper middle class socio-economic system. I think people in the upper middle class and upper-class socio-economic classes fare better in the U.S. (i.e. savings and investment portfolios, etc.).

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Agreed on both points

  • @SamMcKinley
    @SamMcKinley 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

    Politicians get millions after only having 100k salary. 🤔

    • @UncleSam-j6s
      @UncleSam-j6s 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      insider trading is part of their benefits 😂

    • @laughinggiraffe9176
      @laughinggiraffe9176 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They are femininely establishment elite or a lower wrung on the pyramid that has establishment elite at the top. They had to kiss up to the rich and powerful to get there.

    • @laughinggiraffe9176
      @laughinggiraffe9176 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      *definitely

    • @robreich6881
      @robreich6881 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Speaking fees are mint… 😂

    • @quincekreb6798
      @quincekreb6798 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      And one of the only government employees that vote their own raises!!

  • @nickthompson268
    @nickthompson268 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Love this video. One thing of note is that the counter elite and the right side of the dynamic represent the salt of the earth millionaires and occasional self-made billionaires who usually reside outside of major metro coastal cities and reject a globalist worldview. These people usually have their wealth tied up into physical assets and old economy businesses and in my personal opinion, have social views more in line with working class people. This is why figures like Trump who while a billionaire, has most of his wealth in real estate and construction and has social views in line with workers of that industry.

    • @laughinggiraffe9176
      @laughinggiraffe9176 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      The cryptocurrency traders must also count as new counter elite. Would I be making a leap to say that the counter elite got rich in more of a genuine free market, while the establishment elite rely on educational credentials, connections, and regulations?

  • @asmrfan6543
    @asmrfan6543 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Interesting take on the US class structure. For all its faults, it still remains one of the easiest to climb class structures in the history of the world. Places like India, for example, have it much worse, from what I've heard. Not only is their caste system more rigid.. ie even casually mingling with lower classes is frowned upon, but the nation as a whole has far less wealth to distribute in the first place. So, the lower classes not only have it worse, their ability to move up is more difficult, too.
    I think it's worth noting that all caste systems require that those involved be generally oblivious to their caste. Ie, only the people at the top, tend to think about these things, and those at the bottom just accept their reality. This ignorance is what keeps it in place. That said, I suspect the enormous wealth of the US makes even the working or middle class appealing to many who come from places that don't have these opportunities. They say the King of France in the 1700's had a lower quality of life than an average American does in today's society, thanks to technology and the scale of industry.

  • @jayakumar4633
    @jayakumar4633 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Simply explained thank you

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You are welcome

  • @Ivan-vn1pd
    @Ivan-vn1pd 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    this seems really familiar and pretty close to what James Burnham wrote about talking about the professional managerial class and that seems pretty similar to your idea of the establishment elite/ivy league class

  • @FrizzelFry
    @FrizzelFry 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great video - very eye opening

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thank you!

  • @user-zo2ge3oe8d
    @user-zo2ge3oe8d หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    So where would a police officer (or nurse) that has a bachelors degree from a state school and makes $135k-140k a year (with a lot left over) be at on this hierarchy?

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Middle class with option to move into institutional professional class

  • @SHW5010
    @SHW5010 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I wish someone could create a USA wealth pyramid by tiered NetWorth with each tier’s height held constant but tier width representing volume of society within that tier. A pyramid for each of USA’s epoch’s.

  • @Palmtreeshinobi
    @Palmtreeshinobi 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is very thoughtful and well articulated / intuited

  • @MichaelSmith4501-jd8pu
    @MichaelSmith4501-jd8pu 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    This is actually pretty accurate.

  • @Parvenu90
    @Parvenu90 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I would love for you to elaborate on some more specific examples in the Counter Elite Class and things Establishment Elites do to minimize Counter Elite legitimacy and numbers. Very interesting overall.

  • @alexisstaroneal
    @alexisstaroneal วันที่ผ่านมา

    I agree to an extent that modern diversity measures in corporations and cultural institutions can be superficial, often serving to make the elite establishment appear more inclusive on the surface. But this tactic isn’t new. Throughout history, race, cultural or religious backgrounds, and gender have been used as tools (in the opposite way) to make people feel unworthy of joining the elites. These ideologies seep into the subconscious and collective consciousness of marginalized groups. While today’s efforts may sometimes seem shallow, they are still significant because they challenge the very foundations on which these elite empires have been built. They also create opportunities for these groups to advance. As much as the lower class faces material struggles, I’d argue the biggest barrier is the belief that they can rise above their circumstances-and knowing how to do it.

  • @hamelconsultancyllc
    @hamelconsultancyllc 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I agree with 90% of this. I am worried we are becoming much more like other countries with an enshrined upper establishment class with less mobility than ever, and the right side is getting smaller and smaller

  • @Richard-ki4nkgm
    @Richard-ki4nkgm 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Debt based, manipulated, controlled fiat monetary systems are a major force in perpetuating fossilized class structures

  • @costasmakrides5584
    @costasmakrides5584 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I’m praying on your success OG your videos are killer

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thanks for the kind words and support.

    • @costasmakrides5584
      @costasmakrides5584 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@AFNick 😈👅👌🏻👈🏻🥹👉🏻👈🏻

  • @echezona.ukachukwu
    @echezona.ukachukwu หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    _"...This is a theory not a hardline fact..."_
    If I am reading you well, I think you meant to say, "This is hypothesis, not a law."
    Knowledge is supposed to go from:
    Art -》Hypothesis -》Theory -》Law
    ...

  • @FlyingDoctorC
    @FlyingDoctorC หลายเดือนก่อน

    GREAT VIDEO!!! Your insight is soo good. will have to spread your ideas

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Awesome! Thank you!

  • @AlexGorandov
    @AlexGorandov 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    So if you are for example an Accountant, and start your own firm. Would you jump from the Institutional professional to the independent professional class?

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yes

  • @dominickivni7496
    @dominickivni7496 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I enjoyed this point of view, I’m not sure if I fully agree or disagree but it’s very thought provoking 👍
    Btw, have you ever seen the documentary “Born Rich” by one of the Johnson and Johnson heirs? You look and sound kind of similar to one of the interviewees, Josiah Hornblower, who is a Whitney and Vanderbilt descendant

  • @raminrouchi202
    @raminrouchi202 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Moving up the social ladder is like a drug. The higher you get, the higher you want to go and the more you think you font have. Id be happy with low mid or reggie

  • @garynapoli6244
    @garynapoli6244 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I'm impressed nice take.

  • @houston6927
    @houston6927 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great Video, invaluable framework

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks

  • @pedroortiz4506
    @pedroortiz4506 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Makes perfect sense.

  • @willhurst
    @willhurst 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Another banger, looks like you’re in the pocket bro. Keep going!😎

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks

  • @MichaelShatravka
    @MichaelShatravka 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Very interesting, but there is an entire diverging class of people you are missing and that is Rogue Society.
    This is an emerging group of people under the age of 40 that exhibit all the characteristic from the Underclass all the way up to successful business owners.
    These people have strategically structured themselves to become low-income nobodies in the eyes of the law, while maintaining a working class appearance, middle class lifestyle, professional work ethic, and leverage anonymous business entities for cashflow.
    These people have been failed
    by the system and now legally navigate the grey areas of the law to their advantage.
    Rogue society is the future.

    • @DanteFiallo
      @DanteFiallo 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      what are "anonymous business entities"?

  • @gloobark
    @gloobark 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    there is plenty of intermingling between establishment elites and counter elites. This happens at all levels of this chart. all of these tiers have some degree of class consciousness between themselves their financial and material counterparts

  • @halfhalf656
    @halfhalf656 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The last part , you nailed it 👏

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks

  • @elonmusknewsnetwork
    @elonmusknewsnetwork 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Great analysis

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks

  • @graymatters6155
    @graymatters6155 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Doing an amazing job!

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks

  • @donafonso1349
    @donafonso1349 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very insightful. Thank you for sharing.

  • @bennettbullock9690
    @bennettbullock9690 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wow, I have been saying this for months, although much less articulately. Thank you.

  • @Yarmox
    @Yarmox 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Worry not about your class. The Lord will judge us all equally.

    • @udhayakumarMN
      @udhayakumarMN 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      That's how religions make us not to worry about classes 😊😊

    • @Yarmox
      @Yarmox 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@udhayakumarMN Dont misinterpret it. You can be aware of whats going around you, but you not take part in it.

    • @beerkegaard
      @beerkegaard 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Says the guy at the bottom of the pyramid

  • @schurlbirkenbach1995
    @schurlbirkenbach1995 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    In Europe, I observe that the explosively growing state bureaucracy suggests a kind of upward mobility for the former working class, which has been replaced by emigrants. I suspect that the high popularity of the US Army compared to European armies is due to a similar effect. Are there any observations?

  • @ryangodges6665
    @ryangodges6665 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great video. Enjoyed listening

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks

  • @Nardiumms
    @Nardiumms 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great video! Shocked there isn’t 1 million ciews

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks

  • @matthew.m.stevick
    @matthew.m.stevick 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i recently went from middle to upper class quickly. it is so different.

  • @BoxOfCurryos
    @BoxOfCurryos 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    First generation immigrants: “nah imma do it my own way”

  • @CMCDragonkai
    @CMCDragonkai 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    You may be interested in the Network State from Balaji.

  • @arid_desert_storm
    @arid_desert_storm 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Working class upbringing, I'd say Im middle class now, but I've worked for both institutional and independent professional class employers, and Im still young enough where I could eventually branch into either of those eventually, or just chill at middle class.
    All four of those worlds are so much different. Coming from a working class household and breaking into the middle class felt insanely difficult at first. Massive cultural and lifestyle differences. Also the fact that you have no safety net. You still have a foundation that the underclass doesnt have, but its just a foundation. YOU still have to build the house.
    As far as comparing the professional classes, in my opinion the Institutional class is on rails, where the Independent is very free form. Independent class has more risktakers and/or people who dont want to feel trapped in a defined path. Independent provides you a much less defined boss/employee relationship than Institutional. Less hierarchy, fewer bureaucratic layers.
    The irony is that the gap between the professionals and the elites on both sides are absolutely massive, but those classes dont see it. For example, these are the people who will brag about their kids looking at Ivy League schools and then get rejected at all of them. The effort I said it took to go from working to middle? I think it takes as much effort if not more to go from professional to elite.

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Agreed. Each level up gets progressively more challenging to attain.

  • @samueltucker8473
    @samueltucker8473 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Surplus distribution and management is a growing field. Communication is key to education of the 'elite' WHOs in the class. 2 sometimes makes 3 given enough space time and training. Chose carefully 😉

  • @brianmunoz4520
    @brianmunoz4520 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great video , thank you

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You’re welcome

  • @bigekoms
    @bigekoms 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you

  • @zachschafer6229
    @zachschafer6229 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Great video!!!

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks

  • @TehGettinq
    @TehGettinq 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Good vizualisation, this is tightly coupled to more global human taxonomy, i.e freemasonry and other groups. Conceptually the split between establishment and the independant working class is quite unique to the west and a few other countries where you can potentially have the opportunity to raise your status a little.
    Bottom line is that the established elite holds a lot more wealth and power than the opposite side, and letting the other side grow some level of power is also often to their advantage since it allows them to grow further by aquiring things and injecting/forcing their philosophies inside the companies that are initially created by the "counter elite". (I would almost draw a one sided arrow that goes from the counter elite to the established elite to showcase this). Typically my mental model involves iterator vs creators, where creators here would be the counter elite (i.e potentially innovative people). The establishment needs a few of these people to create things, i.e phones etc etc and can then hijack everything that comes out of these inventions. Iterators here would be the underlying classes, who simply help the wheel go round and get along with the program, on whichever side.
    EDIT: to further explain the split I think it would be interesting to take a look at the psychometry of members of both sides, typically you would find that people on the establishment side are usually very agreeable, this is a trait they filter for since they dont want people that are disrupting the mold. This is why I said that the establishment benefits from the counter elite, (which only exists because the establishment allows it) the establishment lets disruptive people build things without having to deal with them, and once the things are build they simply buy it or infiltrate it and hijack it (think big tech). That way they don't risk their position and just gain more power, also increasing the illusion of an advesary class.

  • @xexmatu7s
    @xexmatu7s 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love your videos Nick. Did you make the hierarchical chart or is it from a book? Can you recommend a book comparing the establishment elite and the counter elite?

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I made the chart myself. There’s not a single source (or even type of source) that generated my theories on this, but A book to start with is Old Money by Nelson Aldrich.

  • @Gulls16-m8y
    @Gulls16-m8y หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amazing analysis!

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks

  • @A.1.2.K
    @A.1.2.K 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Brilliant

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks

  • @JT-xb6zs
    @JT-xb6zs หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well done! Love the video

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks

  • @amorrobel
    @amorrobel 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Excellent video

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks

  • @bluedaffodil2023
    @bluedaffodil2023 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    In this chart, where would you place healthcare workers such as dentists, optometrists, physical therapists, midlevel providers, and nurses? Would they be in the Institutional Professional Class?

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Middle class or professional classes depending on role. Those with their own practice can be in the independent professional class and top doctors in both categories can be Ivy League or successful business owner class.

    • @bluedaffodil2023
      @bluedaffodil2023 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@AFNick Thank you so much! My mom is a dentist who co-owns her own practice with other dentists, so this helped me understand where my family stands better

  • @ajones8008
    @ajones8008 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This was good

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks

  • @Lachronix
    @Lachronix 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    so then if you're in the working/middle class, but are still dependent on the state, what class are you?

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Are you referring to government employees or those who supplement income with social welfare assistance?

    • @Lachronix
      @Lachronix 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@AFNick the 2nd one

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Lachronix you are at the bottom in the dependent class.

  • @Shadowmilll
    @Shadowmilll 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You're description of the underclass is quite bad. Other than that fine analysis. Another lense to view "counter elite" and "establishment elite" is world bourgeoisie (establishment elite) and the local/petty bourgeoisie (counter elite). The world bougrgeoisie have hold over capital/resourses/markets. The local/petty bourgeoisie have hold over local capital/resources/markets.

  • @zacharysilver911
    @zacharysilver911 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    You’re like an older Rudyard Lynch

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      That's funny. My channel's first popular videos were my critiques of him for being too doomer.

  • @AtlantaSamurai
    @AtlantaSamurai หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks

  • @L-over_music
    @L-over_music 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I like this graphic but i feel as if it is just a more specific version of the classic 5 step.

  • @SHW5010
    @SHW5010 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    your salaries are way off, household income working class neighborhood on Long Island is ~$150,000 which is paycheck to paycheck living standard, with a mortgaged $600,000 2000sqft home.

  • @Harshharsh111
    @Harshharsh111 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I thought there is always disruptions caused by new technology or political systems, wars, etc. How can Ivy league class keep their class alive for generations?

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I will be going into the Ivy League in a future video

  • @cocoarecords
    @cocoarecords 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Amazing

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks

  • @stardious3769
    @stardious3769 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have also seen this in real life. Like people who inherit wealth vs self made businesses.

  • @elkoikan5993
    @elkoikan5993 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Oh man, I stayed all the way to the end to hear examples of counter elite taking on the establishment elite. Would one example of that be October revolution? Where boyshevik took over Russian empire from Romanovs.

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  26 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      No. See my video on class structure in authoritarian societies for more on that. A better example of counter elite taking on elite is Reagan Revolution in late 70’s/early 80’s in the USA

  • @Noumenon4Idolatry
    @Noumenon4Idolatry 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I define slavery as having to work hard for money. People who love what they do, don’t work hard. People that are afraid to die, still have to work.
    I don’t define conformity as a place of wealth. I obviously belong to the rebellious pyramid. Money is great but it isn’t everything.

  • @hardtofindvlad
    @hardtofindvlad 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is good stuff!

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thanks

    • @hardtofindvlad
      @hardtofindvlad 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@AFNick You should definitely create a video series to explore each social class group in greater depth.

  • @samueltucker8473
    @samueltucker8473 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    It looks like there is s disconnect between the 'base' and the 'estsblished elite'.

  • @atlanticc_
    @atlanticc_ 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Would you say that people trying to get into IB or consulting are all on the left side?
    I am at the university and can’t see myself being in the corporate world. Always have stuck to doing something on my own even though it might bring in less cash at first (compensated by loving what I do)
    What is your take on this? Do you think some people are just not made for corporate life?

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes they are on the left side unless they work for more boutique companies or are self employed.

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  29 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      I think that personality type greatly impacts the success and enjoyment of a corporate career versus entrepreneurial pursuits. I generally think that college grads should get 3-5 years in corporate America to learn ropes of an industry while getting paid to do it. After that, you should have enough time/experience to decide if corporate is for you or what you need to do to go on your own.

    • @badart3204
      @badart3204 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Some people ain’t made for corporate life for sure but you need skills before you exit which takes a few years. You need credibility and expertise gained through experience. Also humbled the ego bc there are very smart people that are better than you that you can learn from.

  • @ivanvirk6994
    @ivanvirk6994 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You are legendary

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks

  • @ASocialMediaConsumer
    @ASocialMediaConsumer 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Subscribed

    • @AFNick
      @AFNick  12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks

  • @Null-o7j
    @Null-o7j 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This video best watched at 1.75x speed.