Bought a mare two years ago that had a terrible grouchy attitude and no one wanted her and she’d been used as a broodmare. ( Go figure, grouchy can’t be caught hard to breed ( took three stallions before she’d accept one and I think they hobbled her finally ) I don’t think I’d breed to THAT). Any how it turned out she had ULCERS. I was her fourth owner and none before me sussed it out. Two weeks into the ulcer treatment she turned into a much nicer, calmer, happier individual. Been onward and upward since and she’s my best rough country mount ever!❤
I accepted a horse with an old bowed tendon as a payment for a debt and rode her for many years. She looked like an Arab and was only lame once when she had an abscess. She was sound the moment my farrier was able to open it and I simply packed it with sugardine until it healed. She was a lot of fun.
When I was a kid my horse got foundered. Down the street the Jockey who race at tampa bay downs and elsewhere came and said don't let her lie down. Said to make a hole of water. And to rub all her legs to keep the swelling down. I did that all day for 2 days. But you couldn't find anything wrong with her after she got better. And she walked on loose gravel and hard top roads all the time. Never limped. Jockey said I kept swelling down and blood circulating and that makes the different. Standing in a wet muddy hole works too.
I started watching you when you were trying to find a good home for the mustang. It made sense that the horse struggled with allergies when it probably came from a totally different climate and ecosystem. I do enjoy watching your videos. I have learned a lot as an older rider getting back in the saddle after almost 25 years.
I had a horse with Lyme, and she did not respond to the antibiotic well. We treated her several times and it kept coming back. At first it affected her muscles, but eventually it affected her mind. She became unsafe to be around, and we ended up putting her down. I would definitely avoid a horse with Lyme.
Thank you so much! You're right about the time of year to buy a horse. I've noticed prices dropping pretty steady in the past couple of months. This video was very very helpful. Happy 4th to you and family!
My horse was 13 when I bought him. He was left in the pasture for a year with little work. He was diagnosed with Heaves. We bought a hay steamer and steam his hay. In addition he was put on a diet and kept in a dry lot and lost about 200 lbs. finally we started working him 3 to 4 times a week. He is in great shape and rarely has breathing problems. I live in Chicago and limit my riding to day where the temp does not exceed 90 degrees or is below 32 degrees.
My two older geldings have health issues- Cushings, melanoma, history of sore shoulder. With medication, good pasture, and light duty use they’re doing great. Settled kind old fellas living their best lives, including teaching some neighbor kids to ride. Totally worth the care investment at ages 24 and 21.
Thanks for this discussion 😊 At some point could you give your opinion on some of the genetic issues such as Pssm, Hypp or Imm and how they affect your show program..thanks again
I have friends who bought a horse and the vet said he had spavin in the hocks. The vet said he would be fine for trail riding. He was great and lived to be old. I think he had been a rope horse among his many early jobs and probably couldn’t do that anymore, but you couldn’t ask for a better family horse for trail riding. Another person I know got a thoroughbred who never had been raced who it turned out has kissing spines. He is a pasture pet until they decide about surgery which may or may not help him.
Thank you , strange this came out as lost one horse in March and my other horse cast herself managed to fracture back hock on pipe fence so had to put her down this month first time in over 40 years without horse weird real weird so looking now feel better about the search thank you 😊 ❤
This lesson was very useful! A great summary with a great explanation of the whys behind the condition! So important to have knowledge when making a big commitment like your partner. Thanks! Happy 4th of July! May freedom ring!! 🇺🇸
Best horse I ever had was an old Plantation Walker broodmare. She was 21 when I got her but she looked like an eight year old. A pure joy to ride. She was unflappable on the trail. Snarling dog swoops in from behind? No problem! Dog learned a lesson and Lady didn't even break stride. I cried when I had to sell her. Point is: don't overlook a good horse because of one thing, including age. (Thanks for another great video! The specific info about common veterinary problems is VERY helpful.)
What great advice. I wish I had known of these issues before I bought 2 of my horses. I think the issue that I would stay away from is laminitis if its not the first time the horse has had it.
Would not want another horse with Cushing’s. It was debilitating and expensive and ultimately she was never responsive to medication and it not only ruined her health but also changed her personality, and not for the better! Lots of money spent and heartache
Another great, similar, topic for you to address is some tips on how a person can find out the truth about a horse they are considering purchasing, when they are buying from someone they don’t know.
Good morning all.. Now this video shows a real horseman his name is Tim,, To take the time to help others to buy a horse, Great work Tim, Thank you for video Tim & Melinda.😀😃😄.
I would have to say that here in West Virginia, heaves would probably be a no for me. I almost took an Icelandic with heaves and the owner backed out because her kid didn't want to see her go. The owner later told me she felt bad for backing out but she was glad I didn't take her. She's not rideable and ended up eventually going to a sanctuary in Colorado.
What a loaded question! Some people will buy horses with issues I never would consider. There can be so many reasons why a horse is the way they are but a few hard NO's for me are KS, Chronic reoccuring Ulcers, Advanced Ringbone, Sidebone or Arthritis to name a few. I would also walk away if the horse overall has a bad/ grumpy/ balky attitude when being handled/ ridden. I usually raise my own and they just tend to like being handled and worked with . There are just so many expensive issues I just can't afford to maintain and I would have to pass. Good thing I am not looking to buy. I have 3 here and that is plenty! Very good and informative lesson.
I ended up buying a 19 year old gelding with mild arthritis in the hind legs who was otherwise healthy, but then recently got diagnosed with Lyme and EPM. He's recovering and I am committed to keeping him no matter what. You really just never know.
For bowed tendons, I'd be cautious. A lot depends on what the horse might be used for and how much work you will need from the horse. Get a PPE with a good veterinarian.
My 3 horses live out in a 15 acre pasture with run in sheds. They are on grass all summer, hay in winter. I can't have a horse with previous laminitis or insulin resistant, just too hard to manage with my situation . I am in Massachusetts, so not the usual situation for this area. Most horses here are in stalls with limited turnout, so grass not an issue for them.
Great videoTim on ailments that affect horses! I would love to see more in-depth information and your experiences with them. Maybe your vet could participate in some of the topics, too? Equine health is of great interest to me, and it is likely to many others? Thank you many times over for all your videos! 😊
Such great information !!! Thanks it is so helpful. This information is great for buying and selling and it also applies to horses you already own regarding what you can do with them. Bless you for compiling all f this information in one video!!!
Thank you very much for the explanation of various health problems and whether they are serious enough not to buy a horse. Do you recommend x-rays of the front hooves, hocks and stifles?
Hard no for me is serious hoof/joint issues, colics (lost a mare to this) and not really health but a solid mind is a must. And sarcoid cancers, lost a pony to this
The average person without your depth of knowledge would benefit greatly from a pre-purchase exam. There are lots of questions that can be answered by a good vet. You, and other professionals, have the experience to see and evaluate different issues that the average horseman isn't able to.
I REALLY avoid any stable vice. Too much trouble and worry. I stay away from a quarter crack because i bought a good TB with one. Turns out that's why he fails at the track. I had him several years. Every time i thought we beat it and got ready for competition it would blow. Too dissapointing. I gave up abs found him a fox hunting home... they had a string so if he was lame they could just wait until he was sound. I spent thousands on that hoof. It was just not a good hoof or he did something to it that changed the integrity as a baby? So that's a hard no for me
Thank you! We are looking for a seasoned trail horse right now. We found one with medial splints and passed it up. We are newer riders and didn't want to take a chance since my husband is 250 pounds. What are your thoughts on that? The horse did not appear lame.
I don’t want a horse with 4 white socks…Scratches, ….hoofs not as strong, ( I realize this is debated, but it has been my experience) dirty…and I just don’t like the look. I had a horse that got a liver infection ( hepatitis) from a weed.. her 2 white full stockings..blistered and scarred..the pigmented legs no problem…so the less white the better…I have horses with one white sock.😊
Beware of genetic problems known to certain breeds. Registries (Australia) wont exclude them from breeding. Have lovely registered Paint but wondered why he had sooo many issues. DNA testing proved for PSSM1. This is not funny - poor boy was blamed for bad attitude and training approach for years has been all wrong. Even so, he will never be a candidate for high level training or showing. Luv him to bits and will keep him but its been a disappointing and expensive road.
Can you spend some time talking about ,sore back with an upside down neck. An exercise or manipulation to relax the tight scalene muscles if possible.?
Regarding a horse that has had colic, wouldn’t it make a difference? What kind of colic it was? What the actual cause of the colic was and if the horse had surgery, how much of the intestinal tract might have to have been respected, etc.?
We bought a 2yo from a different part of the country in NZ about a year ago. Not shown any allergies until came to live with us. Is affected spring summer and autumn. On full turnout 24/7. Think it is probably grass. Would love to know what you use we may have something similar here I could try. thanks for the great information.
What about quarter cracks? I have had two friends that had dressage horses with quarter cracks and in both cases the horses were just not of training or competing at even a moderate level.
I had a lighter cribber that was a fantastic horse. He didn’t crib and destroy, he just basically mouthed in his stall. He had a hard upbringing, is more than likely the cause of his cribbing.
@@betsysmall3576 I think any horse can colic. we had a saddlebred mare that cribbed quite a bit and had colic several times. The only thing that helped was pasture board and both of those issues resolved.
@@timandersonhorsetraining I live in Pennsylvania so your lucky lyme disease is common in people. It's carried by deer ticks. and my horse was infected by the disease three years ago.
Bought a mare two years ago that had a terrible grouchy attitude and no one wanted her and she’d been used as a broodmare. ( Go figure, grouchy can’t be caught hard to breed ( took three stallions before she’d accept one and I think they hobbled her finally ) I don’t think I’d breed to THAT). Any how it turned out she had ULCERS. I was her fourth owner and none before me sussed it out. Two weeks into the ulcer treatment she turned into a much nicer, calmer, happier individual. Been onward and upward since and she’s my best rough country mount ever!❤
I accepted a horse with an old bowed tendon as a payment for a debt and rode her for many years. She looked like an Arab and was only lame once when she had an abscess. She was sound the moment my farrier was able to open it and I simply packed it with sugardine until it healed. She was a lot of fun.
That is exactly the type of thing I am talking about. Another person would have saw the bowed tendon and walked away and missed out on a good horse.
When I was a kid my horse got foundered. Down the street the Jockey who race at tampa bay downs and elsewhere came and said don't let her lie down. Said to make a hole of water. And to rub all her legs to keep the swelling down. I did that all day for 2 days. But you couldn't find anything wrong with her after she got better. And she walked on loose gravel and hard top roads all the time. Never limped. Jockey said I kept swelling down and blood circulating and that makes the different. Standing in a wet muddy hole works too.
@@myst9591 I used to live in Twin Branch Acres…right behind TBD! I had 3 horses at that time.
I started watching you when you were trying to find a good home for the mustang. It made sense that the horse struggled with allergies when it probably came from a totally different climate and ecosystem. I do enjoy watching your videos. I have learned a lot as an older rider getting back in the saddle after almost 25 years.
I had a horse with Lyme, and she did not respond to the antibiotic well. We treated her several times and it kept coming back. At first it affected her muscles, but eventually it affected her mind. She became unsafe to be around, and we ended up putting her down. I would
definitely avoid a horse with Lyme.
Thank you so much! You're right about the time of year to buy a horse. I've noticed prices dropping pretty steady in the past couple of months.
This video was very very helpful. Happy 4th to you and family!
My horse was 13 when I bought him. He was left in the pasture for a year with little work. He was diagnosed with Heaves. We bought a hay steamer and steam his hay. In addition he was put on a diet and kept in a dry lot and lost about 200 lbs. finally we started working him 3 to 4 times a week. He is in great shape and rarely has breathing problems. I live in Chicago and limit my riding to day where the temp does not exceed 90 degrees or is below 32 degrees.
My two older geldings have health issues- Cushings, melanoma, history of sore shoulder. With medication, good pasture, and light duty use they’re doing great. Settled kind old fellas living their best lives, including teaching some neighbor kids to ride. Totally worth the care investment at ages 24 and 21.
Thanks for this discussion 😊
At some point could you give your opinion on some of the genetic issues such as Pssm, Hypp or Imm and how they affect your show program..thanks again
And DSLD please Tim.
I have friends who bought a horse and the vet said he had spavin in the hocks. The vet said he would be fine for trail riding. He was great and lived to be old. I think he had been a rope horse among his many early jobs and probably couldn’t do that anymore, but you couldn’t ask for a better family horse for trail riding. Another person I know got a thoroughbred who never had been raced who it turned out has kissing spines. He is a pasture pet until they decide about surgery which may or may not help him.
That is why I think prior knowledge of the horse is more valuable than a vet check.
Thank you , strange this came out as lost one horse in March and my other horse cast herself managed to fracture back hock on pipe fence so had to put her down this month first time in over 40 years without horse weird real weird so looking now feel better about the search thank you 😊 ❤
heaves, hard no because I live in south central Ky...........epm hard no.
This lesson was very useful! A great summary with a great explanation of the whys behind the condition! So important to have knowledge when making a big commitment like your partner. Thanks! Happy 4th of July! May freedom ring!! 🇺🇸
Best horse I ever had was an old Plantation Walker broodmare. She was 21 when I got her but she looked like an eight year old. A pure joy to ride. She was unflappable on the trail. Snarling dog swoops in from behind? No problem! Dog learned a lesson and Lady didn't even break stride. I cried when I had to sell her. Point is: don't overlook a good horse because of one thing, including age. (Thanks for another great video! The specific info about common veterinary problems is VERY helpful.)
What great advice. I wish I had known of these issues before I bought 2 of my horses. I think the issue that I would stay away from is laminitis if its not the first time the horse has had it.
Would not want another horse with Cushing’s. It was debilitating and expensive and ultimately she was never responsive to medication and it not only ruined her health but also changed her personality, and not for the better!
Lots of money spent and heartache
Sir, thank you. Very interesting talk and the images were outstanding.
Another great, similar, topic for you to address is some tips on how a person can find out the truth about a horse they are considering purchasing, when they are buying from someone they don’t know.
Without the documentation to be found on horse registry papers, all horses are 12 years old and 100% sound. Auction horses..........a leap of faith.
Good morning all.. Now this video shows a real horseman his name is Tim,, To take the time to help others to buy a horse, Great work Tim, Thank you for video Tim & Melinda.😀😃😄.
I would never own a cribber !
I own a cribber. I love him, but would never choose to own another.
Thank you for giving good horses with conditions that can be maintained another lease on life.
Great conversation!
I would have to say that here in West Virginia, heaves would probably be a no for me. I almost took an Icelandic with heaves and the owner backed out because her kid didn't want to see her go. The owner later told me she felt bad for backing out but she was glad I didn't take her. She's not rideable and ended up eventually going to a sanctuary in Colorado.
EXCELLENT VIDEO, Tim thank you.
What a loaded question! Some people will buy horses with issues I never would consider. There can be so many reasons why a horse is the way they are but a few hard NO's for me are KS, Chronic reoccuring Ulcers, Advanced Ringbone, Sidebone or Arthritis to name a few. I would also walk away if the horse overall has a bad/ grumpy/ balky attitude when being handled/ ridden. I usually raise my own and they just tend to like being handled and worked with . There are just so many expensive issues I just can't afford to maintain and I would have to pass. Good thing I am not looking to buy. I have 3 here and that is plenty!
Very good and informative lesson.
I ended up buying a 19 year old gelding with mild arthritis in the hind legs who was otherwise healthy, but then recently got diagnosed with Lyme and EPM. He's recovering and I am committed to keeping him no matter what. You really just never know.
For bowed tendons, I'd be cautious. A lot depends on what the horse might be used for and how much work you will need from the horse. Get a PPE with a good veterinarian.
When I look at a horse I am looking for how good of a mind he has. Also is he sound.
My 3 horses live out in a 15 acre pasture with run in sheds. They are on grass all summer, hay in winter. I can't have a horse with previous laminitis or insulin resistant, just too hard to manage with my situation . I am in Massachusetts, so not the usual situation for this area. Most horses here are in stalls with limited turnout, so grass not an issue for them.
This is a great resource, thank you. I'm sure you have covered assessing stables for boarding and\or training & lessons
Great videoTim on ailments that affect horses! I would love to see more in-depth information and your experiences with them. Maybe your vet could participate in some of the topics, too? Equine health is of great interest to me, and it is likely to many others? Thank you many times over for all your videos! 😊
Wonderful video
Great content 😊👍
Such great information !!! Thanks it is so helpful. This information is great for buying and selling and it also applies to horses you already own regarding what you can do with them. Bless you for compiling all f this information in one video!!!
Thank you. I have just discovered you. So I m getting caught up. :)
Hard no is navicular
I remember that little mustang.
It depends how you intend to use the horse.
Thank you for sharing. This is great info.
You rock
Always love your podcast
I remember that horse that you rehomed.
Try Jeramiah's Ulcer Repulcer this is not an add.
Thank you very much for the explanation of various health problems and whether they are serious enough not to buy a horse. Do you recommend x-rays of the front hooves, hocks and stifles?
Hard no for me is serious hoof/joint issues, colics (lost a mare to this) and not really health but a solid mind is a must. And sarcoid cancers, lost a pony to this
The average person without your depth of knowledge would benefit greatly from a pre-purchase exam. There are lots of questions that can be answered by a good vet.
You, and other professionals, have the experience to see and evaluate different issues that the average horseman isn't able to.
I REALLY avoid any stable vice. Too much trouble and worry. I stay away from a quarter crack because i bought a good TB with one. Turns out that's why he fails at the track. I had him several years. Every time i thought we beat it and got ready for competition it would blow. Too dissapointing. I gave up abs found him a fox hunting home... they had a string so if he was lame they could just wait until he was sound. I spent thousands on that hoof. It was just not a good hoof or he did something to it that changed the integrity as a baby? So that's a hard no for me
Thank you! We are looking for a seasoned trail horse right now. We found one with medial splints and passed it up. We are newer riders and didn't want to take a chance since my husband is 250 pounds. What are your thoughts on that? The horse did not appear lame.
I don’t want a horse with 4 white socks…Scratches, ….hoofs not as strong, ( I realize this is debated, but it has been my experience) dirty…and I just don’t like the look. I had a horse that got a liver infection ( hepatitis) from a weed.. her 2 white full stockings..blistered and scarred..the pigmented legs no problem…so the less white the better…I have horses with one white sock.😊
Beware of genetic problems known to certain breeds. Registries (Australia) wont exclude them from breeding. Have lovely registered Paint but wondered why he had sooo many issues. DNA testing proved for PSSM1. This is not funny - poor boy was blamed for bad attitude and training approach for years has been all wrong. Even so, he will never be a candidate for high level training or showing. Luv him to bits and will keep him but its been a disappointing and expensive road.
She’s Mia! What are your feelings on a horse with OCD issues? Fetlock vs hocks or stifles?
It depends on what the horse will be used for.
@@timandersonhorsetraining Arabian main ring English Pleasure 5yo
Can you spend some time talking about ,sore back with an upside down neck. An exercise or manipulation to relax the tight scalene muscles if possible.?
I've already done several videos on that. Look at the playlist titled Wilber.
Mia
You mentioned the sound. Is it the sound of the machine the dentist uses?
It is the farrier's forge.
What about thin soles??
Regarding a horse that has had colic, wouldn’t it make a difference? What kind of colic it was? What the actual cause of the colic was and if the horse had surgery, how much of the intestinal tract might have to have been respected, etc.?
Usually those details are not known.
Can you recommend a skin allergy treatment?Thank you
I usually atsrt with zyrtec and reducing exposure to the allergen. After that depends on the horse.
Good advice
There are veterinary dermatologists who specialize in allergy treatment and immunoltherapy ask your vet
Club foot?
What about cribbing? I would like to know your experience with cribbing and how/if you think it can be cured.
No I do not think it can be cured. Sometimes you can change the situation to stop it though.
We bought a 2yo from a different part of the country in NZ about a year ago. Not shown any allergies until came to live with us. Is affected spring summer and autumn. On full turnout 24/7.
Think it is probably grass. Would love to know what you use we may have something similar here I could try.
thanks for the great information.
We use zyrtex but nothing will help if you cant get the horse away from the allergen.
What about sarcoids? Hard no?
As long as the sarcoid is not under the saddle or at the girth they don't bother me at all.
@@timandersonhorsetrainingexactly! Sarcoids are cosmetic
What about quarter cracks? I have had two friends that had dressage horses with quarter cracks and in both cases the horses were just not of training or competing at even a moderate level.
Quarter cracks are usually a poor trim issue or letting them go too long between trims.
I would never buy a cribber or weaver.
Horses that crib actually don't colic! It's a.bit of a hassle but the horse could be great!!
I had a lighter cribber that was a fantastic horse. He didn’t crib and destroy, he just basically mouthed in his stall. He had a hard upbringing, is more than likely the cause of his cribbing.
@@betsysmall3576 I think any horse can colic. we had a saddlebred mare that cribbed quite a bit and had colic several times. The only thing that helped was pasture board and both of those issues resolved.
What about lyme disease in horses?
Lyme disease is pretty rare in my area.
@@timandersonhorsetraining I live in Pennsylvania so your lucky lyme disease is common in people. It's carried by deer ticks. and my horse was infected by the disease three years ago.
Any thoughts on sarcoids?
Unless they are under the saddle or girth they are a non issue to me.
@@timandersonhorsetraining no concern about spreading or bleeding? How do you treat?