Colgan Air Crash Analysis & Stalling Training Discussion
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2024
- Let's take a look at the way stalling is taught in the General Aviation Environment.
We will look at the Colgan Air crash in which a Dash 8 aircraft stalled and crashed.
We will analyse the emphasis that is placed on stalling as a checkride hoop to jump through and discuss if there's a better way.
What do you think?
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Interesting. For what it's worth, I did stall training as part of (subsequently abandoned) PPL training about 25 years ago. The _only_ thing I remember about the recovery procedure is 'get the nose down, then add power'. Instructor was ex-RAF.
I think we have technology now that would add more context to the training and make it more valuable
@@Taylair Oh yes, I agree entirely with that, and that practising stall recovery at a safe altitude might not adequately prepare for the panic that a low stall would instil. I just meant that maybe training has changed over time, or perhaps it's a US/UK thing.
I think it’s taught pretty poorly in GA in general flight training hasn’t really changed since WW2, we can definitely do better these days
Great video and lesson!
Glad you liked it!
The best way to recover from stall is to recognize when it starts to develop and bring nose down to gain some speed. Once aircraft starts spinning, your chances to recover reduce significantly.
Very true!
Good points in the video. I guess congress figured more hours was the fix.
Yeah, not the right solution or even the right problem identified!
Great video! Thank you. the sim looks so real is it Microsoft or x plane?
Thanks! This is MSFS
An interesting video - thank you. I agree that flight sims are excellent tools for safely practising techniques such as stall recovery. However, I think it was unfair to single out Jason Schappert when discussing instructors and a low standard of instruction. The MZeroA Fundamentals series (of which you showed a part in this video) is primarily aimed at pilots who hold PPLs or above, and in a couple of videos in that series he focusses on ways to practice combinations of techniques ('mixed practice', as he calls it). Although it would have been good for him to have stated that he was pitching the nose down during the stall recovery (especially since he commented on everything else he was doing), he still demonstrated correct procedure. If a student was to practise such combinations, it would be up to their instructor to ensure they were recovering correctly from a stall. Also, in fairness to Jason Schappert, he has other videos about stall recovery on his channel (for example, th-cam.com/video/UE1aTgjwaCA/w-d-xo.html / th-cam.com/video/Ni_Z0aPEj4w/w-d-xo.html / th-cam.com/video/PmI5ESveZ-o/w-d-xo.html) in which he does mention pitching the nose down as part of the recovery technique. I would, therefore, argue that it is more a fault of the TH-cam search algorithm to suggest an MZeroA Fundamentals video as a stall recovery lesson on the channel rather that one created specifically for teaching stall recovery, and I wouldn't single Jason Schappert out as being a GA instructor who gives bad advice or instruction. In fact, he backs your comment about the low standard of stall recovery instruction in a couple of the videos I mentioned above with anecdotes about his own training.
For me, I don’t think I could ever demonstrate a stall recovery without explaining how to reduce the angle of attack, after all that is the only action that recovers you from a stall. The description of Jason’s video does sell the video as an aid to those “struggling with slow flight and stalls.” If one was struggling with stalls, I don’t think this would be particularly helpful. I know his intentions are in the right place, and I place most blame on a terrible system that completely misses the point on stalling. I would hope that if Jason Schappert has made similar comments to mine, he would agree that he should have been clearer on this one.
Do you think that the AQP training does good, and in this respect?
Better than the "checkride manoeuvre" way of doing things, yes
Please correct me if I am wrong; I remember from my instructor saying “ first i will get the nose up to start the stall then stall recovery will begin… he did that to show me and talked through the process while he was doing it,
When was my turn he put the aircraft in stall then left it to me to recover
Stall recovery starts with putting the nose down,?!
Yes recovery is the reduction of angle of attack, so stick forward / nose down
Thank you..
@@Taylair what if im upside-down
You can’t fly right way up or upside down so it doesn’t really matter 😉