@05:18 The Lynch version of this story has some of the best costume design. The Navigators' uniforms were literally made out of unused body bag material.
From what I've read on IMDB in the Trivia section for Dune (1984), the body bags were not as unused as you are saying. It says there that they actually had been used multiple times but that they kept this fact from the people who had to wear the costumes in question. 🤢🤢🤢
I read the six books and used my imagination. I’m both impressed and underwhelmed by others’ interpretations. I liked all the movies, cuts, miniseries, and new releases. Suspension of disbelief is a wonderful state of mind.
Norma is mentioned in the original Dune novels. God Emperor of Dune, specifically. It is a short passage telling of her accomplishments. Naturally, BH/KJA had to expand upon that until it got silly.
It's not silly, it's an abomination. Brian took the name Holtzman, which plays significant role in his father's stories by being synonymous critical technology, and turns it into a fraud. Leto II said Venport stole her credit for fold space ship design. That's IT. There is not a word in Frank's writings that HOLTZMAN stole research. It's disgusting. You want to write about a girl boss? Go ahead! Frank set that up for you in regard to the ship. But don't go saying, 'oh and also Holtzman robbed her', so now she's SUPER MEGA girl boss! This guy can't appease his overlords without trampling his dad's work? No thanks. Non canonical.
You know what gets me about the dune verse? You can make advanced computing without having to make actual AI. We have super computers right now that won’t do anything until a human inputs something. Our supercomputers can’t navigate space, but the same would just be true of quantum computing or higher. Just make advanced computers without making them sentient. It’s a simple concept
@ I get that. It’s also part of the reason that makes the world unique and so on. But this is just me poking holes in the logic. But there’s someone that woulda been like, my computers not alive
yeah it bothered me too but I think it is like with the amish and technology, we think of them as 19th century level no tech people but they actually use diesel powered engines and pneumatic power tools, presume it depends on the specific planet and group to what extent they banned technology, they have flying cars and spice harvesters and circuitry in elevators and shield generators, advanced mining and energy weapons lasweapons and blasters, not to mention the ixians and tleilaxu that are techologically the most advanced....but no copilot in their OS :-D
I love Dune, I first reed the Duneverse when I was a young girl. The Navigators were fascinating. It brakes down to a whole universe of drug heads, wow.
I AGREE. And anyone who says "David Lynch hated his Dune" is insincere. David Lynch hated the movie because his masterpiece was chopped down from 4 hours to just 2 hours. So everything we see in his version is what he directed and produced, just not all of it.
I like the last sentence of your presentation, as a lot of people have complained that "we do not see a navigator" in the first two movies, when in reality we already did (though DV himself said these guys with the white robes and the orange visors were not Navigators, which might also be understood in the sense that they were not Navigators YET). Also, we do not directly "see" Navigators in the first Dune novel (the basis for the first two DV movies) either. Plus, the same people who are complaining now about not seeing Navigators would probably complain if there had been a huge infodump about the historical/social background and the various factions in the Dune universe. I know there have been complaints about the Princess Irulan narration in the 1984 movie, which I do not have anything against because a lot of the chapters in the book are also preceded by passages from books allegedly written by Irulan (in-universe). The same goes for the long narration preceding the Extended TV version of the 1984 movie (though the complaint about that is that it's read by Freddie Jones, the actor who played Thufir, rather than by Virginia Madsen, who played Irulan) I think what DV was trying to do was to keep the storyline "clean" and straightforward and only give information about things when that becomes necessary for puirposes of the plot..
Besides. After reading the original books, my interpretation was that the navigators "mutated over thousands of years", literally. I mean that they procreated and created a mutated species of human over the course of thousands of years, refining their limited prescience to make space travel ever more safe. Along comes BH and KJA and tells me that every navigator is just a normal human that somehow mutates within his lifetime by exposure to spice gas chambers. Not at all what I think FH had in mind.
Prequels are a nonsense travesty, undeserving of our valuable attention, and its a shame how many smart people waste their time pointing out the flaws and incoherence in BH/KJA
@@coreymiller2045 What books? I know this is described in detail in the prequels by Brian Herbert and Kevin J Anderson. They tend to dissect every mystery and get it wrong. My point is that no such explanation is given in the original six books by Frank Herbert. Not to my knowledge anyway. I interpreted as a generational spice induced evolution from the original six books. Please point me to where it says different there.
Before navigators they used thinking machines for ftl. That's why navigators became so important afterwards. The spice melange was used to replace them navigators became the replacement for the ftl travel. Mentatas became the computers etc. etc. spice was used to replace what thinking machines machines used to do
The spice guild taked about in each book, was a human infused with so much spice over the ages. that their shaped changed so drastically that they became non human, yet able to ::bend space time:: with out effort. They project planet A their location then project planet B destination, then simply float to this planet B.. inside the ship, within 30 sec. and the entire enormous ship IS at diestination B. "quote the 30 light years difference" was made shorter! Frank Herbert was masterful as the writer. peace.
Where you are getting that from, good sir? Sounds like the scene in the David Lynch film. I may be mistaken but I don't think anything like that is portrayed in Frank's books. The ability to "navigate", should not be confused with the technology of FTL travel itself, surely? Pre-jihad (and post Leto 2) navigation was also done with machines. Melange-enabled precog. permits safer interstellar travel, but is not some magical teleportation ability. That kind of supernatural mumbo-jumbo was anathema to Frank's vision and is why the BH/KJA writing is so offensive.
I mean, the way they do it is be a prescient hyperspace pilot. They see all the possible futures of the intended jump and if they all involve flying through a star, or bouncing too close to a supernova, they don't go that way. It's also like Jedi reflexes explained in Episode One, seeing little bits of the future in order to react in time.
Her lover was the lover of Norma's mother who was also the first sorceress and originator of the pre bene gesserit coven. The AI enjoyed enslaving humans for labor and experimentation. When man gave up AI they had to resort to slavery. Venport was the founder of CHOAM. I believe guildsmen and steersman were different ranks of the navigator. Without a navigator fleets were destroyed appearing in the sun or planets. Many died before spice was discovered.
I always hate the normal take on God Emperor. Leto wasnt a despot. He was a God. God is beyond our limited understanding and far beyond our judgement. One who is apart from the system is the only one who could possibly understand the system. His Golden Path may have been uncomfortable or destructive, but it was literally the only way to survive the impending universal destruction.
Um, in the books Leto himself describes his goal is to be such a despot to "teach humanity a lesson that they will remember in their bones" about allowing a tyrant to rule in exchange for stability, and to be so oppressive that as soon as he was unable to exert control, being dead and all, a large percentage of humanity fled so that no tyrant or despot would again be able to control them all.
@keith6706 is the chicken farmer a tyrant to his flock? The chickens may see him as such, but do they have the capacity to understand why he does what he does?
I'd like to point out the original novel didn't have Guildsmen hideously mutated. It's possible FH was planning to have them that way in later books already, and hinted at it, but the Guild Bank representatives shown post-battle have a baseline human appearance.
Read Dune Messiah. If you like wheel whithin wheel political infighting. Stilgar weilds the knife. In the end it is Paul and his choice of sacrifice for the golden path that dooms the cabal.
@MrEnjoivolcom1 true....there was that other character,was the partner of the Emperor, we still don't know what happened to her, who knows maybe more .
And thats why the imperor designed the golden throne and istead of spice he started using psichic power, but then Horus f. Stuff up with his heresy....
@@lynnlenox6454 A true Dune fan would. Remember: "Thou shalt not make a machine in the image of the human mind." (11th Commandment, Orange Catholic Bible, Dune Universe)
Fremen live on Arrakis where spice comes from, so the air they breathe every day has spice in it. Their bodies have adapted to live with high spice content, while it would be considered an addiction for others, I would say it is more a product of their environment in the case of the Fremen, especially since many of their sietches are in worm territory where spice would be at the highest natural concentration (hence the spice farming machines having to go so far from big cities on Arrakis and be protected by carry-alls).
The Spice is why the Spacing Guild can fold space. It would have taken them a million years to find Arakis using sub-light travel, but the guild has only been in space for less than 10,000 years. The Spice has always seemed like a Deus ex Machina to me.
The Spice does not help the Navigators fold space, but to securely find their way through foldspace by means of heightened prescience. Spaxefolding is done by the Holtzman engine.
The CREEEEEPY worm & guild in the 1980s original Dune movie (with Sting) was the best..... the Guild in newest Dune movie is "too shiney/clean" - looked like a star trek crew !! 😂😂😂
You didn’t tell us who the first navigator was. You asked the question, then went on with a story about someone who certainly was NOT the first … what’s up with that? 🤔
Youre extremely short sighted if you think Thanos had a point. Thanos could have just as easily created infinite resources with the INFINITY STONES. But no he was too stupid to realize there are infinite options with infinite power and I can infer that you are as well.
@@patrickmowry1650 It is in the comics, but they didn't bring that aspect into the simplified MCU. Going into his origin story would probably be too dark for the family friendly nature of Disney.
Doubling resources would produce the same problem with a brief reprieve. Given that the one snap took his arm and nearly killed him, doubling resources could happen once. More resources=more births+ time=same problem. "He could of just snapped his fingers and doubled the universes resources" is essentially Modern Monetary Theory in a nut shell. He should of used his one snap to set into motion a periodic culling via time set at predetermined intervals.
I find it comical when people say stupid things like maybe the universe would be better off if mankind was destroyed. I don't see any of them rushing to volunteer themselves for that fate.
@@karinw6255 Yes, but I think they really abolished thinking machines in general, as well as anything that could lead to thinking machines being reintroduced. Remember, even the recording machine that Leto II to record his memoirs is suspect. And I think that "thinking machines" is understood in the sense of any machine that simulates human thinking processes, as far as I have understood from the novels, the criterion is not that it has to do so independently. And as the calculations that an electronic calculator performs can also be done by a human (brain), only not that fast, I would say it falls under the definition. Remember, the Mentats also perform their computations upon request, i.e. with human input, so independence does not really enter into it. Besides, something that's dependent can quickly turn independent; it's a gradual, rather unnoticeable process.
@lftr_react 10 days ago It's not silly, it's an abomination. Brian took the name Holtzman, which plays significant role in his father's stories by being synonymous critical technology, and turns it into a fraud. Leto II said Venport stole her credit for fold space ship design. That's IT. There is not a word in Frank's writings that HOLTZMAN stole research. It's disgusting. You want to write about a girl boss? Go ahead! Frank set that up for you in regard to the ship. But don't go saying, 'oh and also Holtzman robbed her', so now she's SUPER MEGA girl boss! This guy can't appease his overlords without trampling his dad's work? No thanks. Non canonical.
I think the spacing guild is an allegory for the American government Neutrality but manipulating things from the shadows. And given the point of the books I wouldn't put that past Frank Herbert
Given Herbert's analogy to oil, the spicing guild is more like the major multinational oil companies. The American government is basically the Imperial House, thinking it controls things but actually acting at the behest of the multinationals. The major houses like the Atriedes and Harkonnens are the French, British and Soviets, colonial powers squabbling over control of the Middle East.
The Spacing Guild is the most powerful player in the game at the time of Paul Atreides birth-Yet all Villneuve and HBO care about are lesbian space witches
The guild was created so the novels could exist, they by-step the limits of the speed of light and the need for FTL technology. It’s magic dumped into a sci-fi universe.
However, scientists have concluded that space is so vast, that if you traveled in a straight line, you would never encounter another object, star, or planet. So, Herberts lack of science knowledge, had him create a trop that was not needed.
And how is going from planet to planet traveling in straight lines ? Not to mention ftl travel at the least as far as we know currently would require the warping of the fabric of spacetime also space time it's self is curved, so way be wrong on multiple levels.
Those movie's were not that great, two parts told the same story, not nearly as mature or graphic as the original, and no original soundtrack and thanos had no damn point at all, you suppose to relize his point is that the means to achive a "balance" are lifes destruction always slow or fast you wont survive to see your goal reached.
Frankly, I though Denis Villeneuve's version of 'Dune' SUCKED. It had no connective tissue. No common theme. It was just one grandiose set piece after another and left out ALL the intricate lore of folding space, spice mutation, the 'banquet scene', Baron Harkonnen's perversion, etc. Seriously, I honestly thought it was complete empty trash made for casual fans. Paul Atreides did in fact come across as the great white messiah. Both David Lynch's version and the Sci-Fi channel's version were SUPERIOR 'Dune.'
Well I was really looking forward to your video I'm a huge doom fan unfortunately right off the bat you failed you're including Dennis Villeneuve dune in your summary in your video and your overall presentation big mistake villanue dune departs from herbert's dune vastly it's not even in the ballpark of being more accurate so for you to draw any conclusions can you send me video footage from those two horrible movies boggles the mind so now I can't even watch your video and enjoy the material because you've muddied it with garbage stick to real doom there are three Brian Herbert frank Herbert Kevin J Anderson that's it June 84 as much as miligned is the best attempt at bringing the source material to the screen the sci-fi channel also did a kinda OK mini series take at the source material. Where is Dennis Villeneuve decided it wasn't modern enough no we have to race swap and ginger swap and remove characters altogether because of reasons characters who are central to the story no longer exist as far as the spacing Guild goes it didn't exist at all in either the 1st or the second movie just passing mansions no highliners no guildsmen pure garbage you should be ashamed of yourself if you are any kind of dune fan.
@05:18 The Lynch version of this story has some of the best costume design. The Navigators' uniforms were literally made out of unused body bag material.
From what I've read on IMDB in the Trivia section for Dune (1984), the body bags were not as unused as you are saying. It says there that they actually had been used multiple times but that they kept this fact from the people who had to wear the costumes in question. 🤢🤢🤢
I read the six books and used my imagination. I’m both impressed and underwhelmed by others’ interpretations. I liked all the movies, cuts, miniseries, and new releases. Suspension of disbelief is a wonderful state of mind.
LOL someone tripped over @0:10
Fun fact: Tripping Spacing Guild Navigator was played by the same actor who played Stormtrooper that hits his head on the door from A New Hope.
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Saw it when I first watched the movie more than 20 years ago.
Probably fell over a 'fold' in his robe.
Norma is mentioned in the original Dune novels. God Emperor of Dune, specifically. It is a short passage telling of her accomplishments. Naturally, BH/KJA had to expand upon that until it got silly.
Hen did it start getting silly? I’m asking since I haven’t read the Legends or the Schools trilogy by BH/KJA yet lol.
It's not silly, it's an abomination. Brian took the name Holtzman, which plays significant role in his father's stories by being synonymous critical technology, and turns it into a fraud.
Leto II said Venport stole her credit for fold space ship design. That's IT. There is not a word in Frank's writings that HOLTZMAN stole research. It's disgusting.
You want to write about a girl boss? Go ahead! Frank set that up for you in regard to the ship. But don't go saying, 'oh and also Holtzman robbed her', so now she's SUPER MEGA girl boss!
This guy can't appease his overlords without trampling his dad's work? No thanks.
Non canonical.
@ Wow ur really good looking lol and good points.
You know what gets me about the dune verse? You can make advanced computing without having to make actual AI. We have super computers right now that won’t do anything until a human inputs something. Our supercomputers can’t navigate space, but the same would just be true of quantum computing or higher. Just make advanced computers without making them sentient. It’s a simple concept
Yea I think about that too hehe, but also the non-human computer fear becoming a religious fanaticism of sorts is a cool way to explain it.
@ I get that. It’s also part of the reason that makes the world unique and so on. But this is just me poking holes in the logic. But there’s someone that woulda been like, my computers not alive
The story isn't actually about AI. It's that humans used computers and high tech to enslave other humans.
yeah it bothered me too but I think it is like with the amish and technology, we think of them as 19th century level no tech people but they actually use diesel powered engines and pneumatic power tools, presume it depends on the specific planet and group to what extent they banned technology, they have flying cars and spice harvesters and circuitry in elevators and shield generators, advanced mining and energy weapons lasweapons and blasters, not to mention the ixians and tleilaxu that are techologically the most advanced....but no copilot in their OS :-D
@@radeksparowski7174 anything with a CPU is heresy
I love Dune, I first reed the Duneverse when I was a young girl. The Navigators were fascinating. It brakes down to a whole universe of drug heads, wow.
I adore Lynch's Dune
Me too!!
Amazing what he delivered with the means of the time. Stands the trial of time...
@@bernardocoto8519 Amen.
I AGREE. And anyone who says "David Lynch hated his Dune" is insincere. David Lynch hated the movie because his masterpiece was chopped down from 4 hours to just 2 hours. So everything we see in his version is what he directed and produced, just not all of it.
@@PaulChristianJenkinsJD Is there anywhere a "Full" Version?
These guys need to take it easy with the tumeric.
@@vikctorrkreedd6418 🤣
Bruh. Have you ever just caved and ripped a line of tumeric off the kitchen counter? Game 👏 change 👏 er👏
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@@codywalz8555lol No but I seen a guy shoot up some lemon pepper, ishh turned him into Bane..
Very simply.. spice saturation allows Navigators to foresee ALL possibilities of a space jump.. enabling them to pick the safest one.
I like the last sentence of your presentation, as a lot of people have complained that "we do not see a navigator" in the first two movies, when in reality we already did (though DV himself said these guys with the white robes and the orange visors were not Navigators, which might also be understood in the sense that they were not Navigators YET). Also, we do not directly "see" Navigators in the first Dune novel (the basis for the first two DV movies) either. Plus, the same people who are complaining now about not seeing Navigators would probably complain if there had been a huge infodump about the historical/social background and the various factions in the Dune universe.
I know there have been complaints about the Princess Irulan narration in the 1984 movie, which I do not have anything against because a lot of the chapters in the book are also preceded by passages from books allegedly written by Irulan (in-universe). The same goes for the long narration preceding the Extended TV version of the 1984 movie (though the complaint about that is that it's read by Freddie Jones, the actor who played Thufir, rather than by Virginia Madsen, who played Irulan)
I think what DV was trying to do was to keep the storyline "clean" and straightforward and only give information about things when that becomes necessary for puirposes of the plot..
Besides. After reading the original books, my interpretation was that the navigators "mutated over thousands of years", literally. I mean that they procreated and created a mutated species of human over the course of thousands of years, refining their limited prescience to make space travel ever more safe. Along comes BH and KJA and tells me that every navigator is just a normal human that somehow mutates within his lifetime by exposure to spice gas chambers.
Not at all what I think FH had in mind.
Prequels are a nonsense travesty, undeserving of our valuable attention, and its a shame how many smart people waste their time pointing out the flaws and incoherence in BH/KJA
Idk how would the navigators reproduce? Can they?
If you read the books the actual transformation takes only a couple weeks or months not very long at all
@@coreymiller2045 What books? I know this is described in detail in the prequels by Brian Herbert and Kevin J Anderson. They tend to dissect every mystery and get it wrong. My point is that no such explanation is given in the original six books by Frank Herbert. Not to my knowledge anyway.
I interpreted as a generational spice induced evolution from the original six books. Please point me to where it says different there.
The guild suits in the new dune are filled with spice gas… the visors aren’t “opaque” 🤦♂️
Before navigators they used thinking machines for ftl. That's why navigators became so important afterwards. The spice melange was used to replace them navigators became the replacement for the ftl travel. Mentatas became the computers etc. etc. spice was used to replace what thinking machines machines used to do
Why do the Highliners look suspiciously like ʻOumuamua?
I thought this also!!
feels like this vid is written and narrated by a AI. it is forbidden!
There's so many facts that are repeated, some parts were painful to listen to
Pretty well done. Took a little while for me to realize this was ai slop. Good ai slop, ai slop nonetheless.
The spice guild taked about in each book, was a human infused with so much spice over the ages. that their shaped changed so drastically that they became non human, yet able to ::bend space time:: with out effort. They project planet A their location then project planet B destination, then simply float to this planet B.. inside the ship, within 30 sec. and the entire enormous ship IS at diestination B. "quote the 30 light years difference" was made shorter! Frank Herbert was masterful as the writer. peace.
Where you are getting that from, good sir? Sounds like the scene in the David Lynch film. I may be mistaken but I don't think anything like that is portrayed in Frank's books. The ability to "navigate", should not be confused with the technology of FTL travel itself, surely? Pre-jihad (and post Leto 2) navigation was also done with machines. Melange-enabled precog. permits safer interstellar travel, but is not some magical teleportation ability. That kind of supernatural mumbo-jumbo was anathema to Frank's vision and is why the BH/KJA writing is so offensive.
I mean, the way they do it is be a prescient hyperspace pilot. They see all the possible futures of the intended jump and if they all involve flying through a star, or bouncing too close to a supernova, they don't go that way.
It's also like Jedi reflexes explained in Episode One, seeing little bits of the future in order to react in time.
Her lover was the lover of Norma's mother who was also the first sorceress and originator of the pre bene gesserit coven. The AI enjoyed enslaving humans for labor and experimentation. When man gave up AI they had to resort to slavery. Venport was the founder of CHOAM. I believe guildsmen and steersman were different ranks of the navigator. Without a navigator fleets were destroyed appearing in the sun or planets. Many died before spice was discovered.
These navigators look like they're turning more and more into sand worms.
I always hate the normal take on God Emperor. Leto wasnt a despot. He was a God. God is beyond our limited understanding and far beyond our judgement. One who is apart from the system is the only one who could possibly understand the system. His Golden Path may have been uncomfortable or destructive, but it was literally the only way to survive the impending universal destruction.
Um, in the books Leto himself describes his goal is to be such a despot to "teach humanity a lesson that they will remember in their bones" about allowing a tyrant to rule in exchange for stability, and to be so oppressive that as soon as he was unable to exert control, being dead and all, a large percentage of humanity fled so that no tyrant or despot would again be able to control them all.
@keith6706 is the chicken farmer a tyrant to his flock? The chickens may see him as such, but do they have the capacity to understand why he does what he does?
1:35 that looks sick
I'd like to point out the original novel didn't have Guildsmen hideously mutated. It's possible FH was planning to have them that way in later books already, and hinted at it, but the Guild Bank representatives shown post-battle have a baseline human appearance.
If i remember correctly, there is a brief mention to the woman that came up with the space travel tech in God Emperor of Dune
Repetitive
This guy makes us never see an alien in Dune universe
8:25 wow…. That whole chapter sounds quite intriguing… how does Stilgar manage to sneak up on a prescient juvenile abomination in a fish tank?
Because Brian Herbert
Read Dune Messiah. If you like wheel whithin wheel political infighting. Stilgar weilds the knife. In the end it is Paul and his choice of sacrifice for the golden path that dooms the cabal.
Even if he could see Stilgar coming, what he could do about it?
@1:39 just pointing out that a calculator would also be banned in the Dune universe, that's why the Mentats exist.
Love Dune. Navigator lore is just amazing!!
By the Time Of The Emperor around 30k, there is only one Navigator Left.
That we know of.
@MrEnjoivolcom1 true....there was that other character,was the partner of the Emperor, we still don't know what happened to her, who knows maybe more .
And thats why the imperor designed the golden throne and istead of spice he started using psichic power, but then Horus f. Stuff up with his heresy....
@TheAquarius1978 maybe there comes a point where one does not actually need the spice anymore.
@TheAquarius1978 Very True, his whole plan for humanity got messed up big time,
😂awesome intro of this video
Hilarious irony that nearly all the art in this vid is cringe AI 😂
The art in the vid are mostly snippets from the older dune film, the new dune movies and concept art for the movies.
@@lynnlenox6454 A true Dune fan would. Remember: "Thou shalt not make a machine in the image of the human mind." (11th Commandment, Orange Catholic Bible, Dune Universe)
Holtzman is David Dastmalchian? But he's Piter de Vries!
19:02 Blue in blue eyes are for spice addicts? All fremen have blue in blue eyes. All fremen are spice addicts?
Likely yes. Fremen use Spice in almost everything.
It's likely less a sign of addiction and more a sign of heavy use or exposure.
Fremen live on Arrakis where spice comes from, so the air they breathe every day has spice in it. Their bodies have adapted to live with high spice content, while it would be considered an addiction for others, I would say it is more a product of their environment in the case of the Fremen, especially since many of their sietches are in worm territory where spice would be at the highest natural concentration (hence the spice farming machines having to go so far from big cities on Arrakis and be protected by carry-alls).
Norma's a good character, but Holtzmann got done dirty by the prequels.
Norma Senva is mentioned once in God Emperor of Dune
Still makes me laugh out loud watching that guy fall over in the Lynch movie...0.11😂
9:26 “….. and I said *God damn!!* .. God damn”
"Over Time", not "Overtime" - is this an AI-generated video?
The art images in it certainly is AI generated
What would happen if the spice was no longer available, i guess the empire would collapse.
The Spice is why the Spacing Guild can fold space. It would have taken them a million years to find Arakis using sub-light travel, but the guild has only been in space for less than 10,000 years. The Spice has always seemed like a Deus ex Machina to me.
I mean, allegorically, it's space oil.
The Spice does not help the Navigators fold space, but to securely find their way through foldspace by means of heightened prescience. Spaxefolding is done by the Holtzman engine.
The CREEEEEPY worm & guild in the 1980s original Dune movie (with Sting) was the best..... the Guild in newest Dune movie is "too shiney/clean" - looked like a star trek crew !! 😂😂😂
You didn’t tell us who the first navigator was. You asked the question, then went on with a story about someone who certainly was NOT the first … what’s up with that? 🤔
How did humans first acquire the spice.
Answer that, and I'll try becoming a Dune fan.
Y'all realize this is fiction right?
Is it though really?
“Not in the original dune novels” - definitely skipping that then.
Youre extremely short sighted if you think Thanos had a point. Thanos could have just as easily created infinite resources with the INFINITY STONES. But no he was too stupid to realize there are infinite options with infinite power and I can infer that you are as well.
Not to mention that, assuming exponential growth would continue, it would not take long to reach the original population level after a single halving.
Technically speaking, though, Thanos's point regarding finite resources is valid. His solution is short-sighted.
I thought his real goal was to impress a goddess of death or something like that.
@@patrickmowry1650 It is in the comics, but they didn't bring that aspect into the simplified MCU. Going into his origin story would probably be too dark for the family friendly nature of Disney.
Doubling resources would produce the same problem with a brief reprieve. Given that the one snap took his arm and nearly killed him, doubling resources could happen once.
More resources=more births+ time=same problem.
"He could of just snapped his fingers and doubled the universes resources" is essentially Modern Monetary Theory in a nut shell.
He should of used his one snap to set into motion a periodic culling via time set at predetermined intervals.
Wait, did someone just fall on the left side at 0.10 seconds? 😁
Ooh, nicely spotted.
Interesting, talking about characters that did not exist in the canon ever.
I find it comical when people say stupid things like maybe the universe would be better off if mankind was destroyed. I don't see any of them rushing to volunteer themselves for that fate.
All those fake beautiful AI images are weird to look at, and I had to stop watching.
Anytime I see a Dune based video with AI based images, I swear to the Worm who is God that irony is dead.
@1GoddessGeek 😂
Traffic cops? Nah, more like air traffic controllers
How did people go faster than light before the Jihad? For an empire and trade it would have been needed.
So , to make a really long story short...........
why would someone want to become a navigator... aka becoming a fish..?
1:38 as a "thinking" machine that perfectly calculates numbers, Calculators would have to be forbidden, no?
No, a calculator needs human input, so therefore is not an independent thinking machine.
No lol
@@karinw6255 Yes, but I think they really abolished thinking machines in general, as well as anything that could lead to thinking machines being reintroduced. Remember, even the recording machine that Leto II to record his memoirs is suspect. And I think that "thinking machines" is understood in the sense of any machine that simulates human thinking processes, as far as I have understood from the novels, the criterion is not that it has to do so independently. And as the calculations that an electronic calculator performs can also be done by a human (brain), only not that fast, I would say it falls under the definition. Remember, the Mentats also perform their computations upon request, i.e. with human input, so independence does not really enter into it. Besides, something that's dependent can quickly turn independent; it's a gradual, rather unnoticeable process.
I only made it 4 min in. It sounded like terrible fanfic.
Villeneuve hid the faces guild because he felt it was really important that the public focused his attention on an african man as the ambassador...
The thinking mschines enslaved humanity. It wasnt their goal to anhilate humanity until Krilosec
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The original Dune movie was a flop. Partly because the Guild Navigator didn't have the 'Blue in Blue' eyes. But just a hopeless mashed together story.
I bet they absolutely reek too
@lftr_react
10 days ago
It's not silly, it's an abomination. Brian took the name Holtzman, which plays significant role in his father's stories by being synonymous critical technology, and turns it into a fraud.
Leto II said Venport stole her credit for fold space ship design. That's IT. There is not a word in Frank's writings that HOLTZMAN stole research. It's disgusting.
You want to write about a girl boss? Go ahead! Frank set that up for you in regard to the ship. But don't go saying, 'oh and also Holtzman robbed her', so now she's SUPER MEGA girl boss!
This guy can't appease his overlords without trampling his dad's work? No thanks.
Non canonical.
Yes but who cleans up their poop?
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I rather be a simple mortal.
I think the spacing guild is an allegory for the American government
Neutrality but manipulating things from the shadows. And given the point of the books I wouldn't put that past Frank Herbert
Given Herbert's analogy to oil, the spicing guild is more like the major multinational oil companies. The American government is basically the Imperial House, thinking it controls things but actually acting at the behest of the multinationals. The major houses like the Atriedes and Harkonnens are the French, British and Soviets, colonial powers squabbling over control of the Middle East.
The Spacing Guild is the most powerful player in the game at the time of Paul Atreides birth-Yet all Villneuve and HBO care about are lesbian space witches
They're not lesbian space witches. The sisterhood is important too.
Where are the blue coneheads from? surerly not the syfy miniseries? I don't remember it being so awful
SciFi channel version. Allowing the costume department free reign, is my guess.
The guild was created so the novels could exist, they by-step the limits of the speed of light and the need for FTL technology.
It’s magic dumped into a sci-fi universe.
However, scientists have concluded that space is so vast, that if you traveled in a straight line, you would never encounter another object, star, or planet. So, Herberts lack of science knowledge, had him create a trop that was not needed.
No. You COULD. Depends which direction 😂
And how is going from planet to planet traveling in straight lines ? Not to mention ftl travel at the least as far as we know currently would require the warping of the fabric of spacetime also space time it's self is curved, so way be wrong on multiple levels.
that was a big waste of my time
Those movie's were not that great, two parts told the same story, not nearly as mature or graphic as the original, and no original soundtrack and thanos had no damn point at all, you suppose to relize his point is that the means to achive a "balance" are lifes destruction always slow or fast you wont survive to see your goal reached.
Frankly, I though Denis Villeneuve's version of 'Dune' SUCKED. It had no connective tissue. No common theme. It was just one grandiose set piece after another and left out ALL the intricate lore of folding space, spice mutation, the 'banquet scene', Baron Harkonnen's perversion, etc. Seriously, I honestly thought it was complete empty trash made for casual fans. Paul Atreides did in fact come across as the great white messiah. Both David Lynch's version and the Sci-Fi channel's version were SUPERIOR 'Dune.'
I disagree. The story of the guild was not completely explained until the prequels were published
You're definitely entitled to your opinion.
The mutations weren't really examined in Dune. Didn't even see a Navigator until Dune Messiah
And if you think Paul is presented as great white savior or that Lynch's version is superior, you weren't paying attention
Also v bad casting on the leads.
Too repetitive... Once and again repeats how much the guild needs spice. I had to stop at the middle
Ew, the stench of Briankonnen..
Is it me or do the guild just sound like Jews?
Not to me, but their are Jews in the Dune universe
Stop using AI to write your scripts and generate your images. Why are you putting out content if you don't even care to make it, yourself?
Not robot gods. They were the Titans. Noob
4:20 expanded universe is garbage
Well I was really looking forward to your video I'm a huge doom fan unfortunately right off the bat you failed you're including Dennis Villeneuve dune in your summary in your video and your overall presentation big mistake villanue dune departs from herbert's dune vastly it's not even in the ballpark of being more accurate so for you to draw any conclusions can you send me video footage from those two horrible movies boggles the mind so now I can't even watch your video and enjoy the material because you've muddied it with garbage stick to real doom there are three Brian Herbert frank Herbert Kevin J Anderson that's it June 84 as much as miligned is the best attempt at bringing the source material to the screen the sci-fi channel also did a kinda OK mini series take at the source material. Where is Dennis Villeneuve decided it wasn't modern enough no we have to race swap and ginger swap and remove characters altogether because of reasons characters who are central to the story no longer exist as far as the spacing Guild goes it didn't exist at all in either the 1st or the second movie just passing mansions no highliners no guildsmen pure garbage you should be ashamed of yourself if you are any kind of dune fan.
How many ways are you going to say the exact same thing regarding the navigator. This is annoying asf.
I have to object at your blatant use of AI images in this.
"expanded"=bullshit.