As a support main who also plays hitscan dps her damage felt more natural for me than other damage heavy supports. Due to her charge time you can bob in and out of cover dealing big damage relatively easily (aim dependant obviously)
Another thing with Illari’s ultimate. If you directly impact an enemy with the initial projectile it deals another 50 dmg to them dealing 100 impact damage instead of 50 to that specific target. Really good for getting instant picks.
@@knyt0 no, it does 50 dmg to anyone caught in the blast radius, however if someone is directly hit with the initial projectile it does a total of 100 impact damage to that target.
I'm late to the party as I just got back into ow about a month ago, and Illari has become my main after unlocking her about 2 weeks ago. I say all this because I wanted to add that I did, in fact, discover that genji can deflect her ult back at you...
Ashe,widow, tracer low gm player here. Yea, I have played her a bit already. She's ALOT more fun than any dps atm in my opinion. The amount of value per-second if you utilise her properly is astonishing. The dmg is effortless and so is the healing. I'd say 1v1s are tricky against tracer, soujorn and soldier a little. Kiriko is kinda scary too. Bit usually they run for the moment soon as I headshot them down to low health. If they dont. I jump into them (if they're alone) and melee them. Very fun hero.
90 Damage to make enemies explode after Captive Sun. So a charged headshot will do it, or a pair of bodyshots (charged and uncharged) also do it. Splash plus explosion (50+120) is 170, plus 90 to proc explode nets you 260. You can 2 tap Junkrat's steel trap or RIP-Tire with charged+uncharged shots.
Im a pretty aggressive support player so I enjoy playing dps Lucio, Illari, and sometimes Ana when I see the team struggling with kills and I think her anti could really help (it's worked everytime and Changed the tide of the game with anas anti. With Lucio of course being an aoh, I don't usually get much healing but I will get more or similar kills with the DPS, with illari if you place your healing beacon well that thing won't come down for a good few minutes and still be in a good spot for your team, and I will as illari consistently have atleast 4-6k more healing done than my tm8 support and have 20+ more kills than them. She's a great balance, and I sadly do see her getting nerfed in the future because of this, but I would recommend any dps who goes support to try her, and you can be the good support that the dps needs or never gets, for the tanks that have congratulated or paid compliments to my performance after a loss or win, or even the enemy team will win and still pay tribute to my performance because I will have 1.5x the amount of healing, half the amount of deaths, and 20 mor kills. Her ult is also very crucial To land, I got my 1st 5k about a week ago and that was creaaamy stuff
I had a genji deflect my ult once, and legit surprised me. I honestly thought I timed it to go as soon as he finished deflect, but i was horribly wrong. Cool and unfortunate, but wasn't potg when it ended
Also remember that by default, "hold for high jumps" on Illari's SHIFT is turned on. Definitely turn it off if you want to avoid getting screwed out of closing distance, and solely rely on holding SPACE + pressing SHIFT.
Yes, the reason I still recommend making it a habit to break the old pylon first is because there will be moments where u wanna move from point A to B and you want to make sure u can place the new pylon right away. If you leave the old pylon up in those situations and they get hit for 1 dmg by anyone, you will not be able to place the new one.
@@MetroOW Fair enough, I've sometimes moved the pylon mid-fight because the fight itself moves out of range of it, if you manually destroy the pylon in that situation it is briefly locked out of being placed. I do destroy it manually during Flashpoint matches when moving to new points just to be sure I can place it at our destination. I just find it's not always wise to manually destroy it.
4:55 I'd say Moira heals are even worse when you consider spamming them, not better. After Moiras healing runs out she has to do damage to regain it, Illari just gotta wait
On thing that would be more balanced for the Pilon (to easy and op in my opinion) would be that the healt of the Pilon, is the health that it ca provide to team mates So you would place you Pilon and it would heal as it does, but at the expense of a bit of is health everytime. You could also be able to heal the pilon to make it survive longer It would make he more active and skillfull you would have to juggle between doing damage and keeping your Pilon up for the hole team of beaming a single team mate for big heal Instantly. I would also make her beam charge a bit slower since her Pilon is already a geat heal without any player investment at the moment
Naw that’d just add way more micro management to her kit. Especially because they’d have to change the way it works entirely. If her Pylon starts taking damage she can’t reapply the Pylon and if it gets destroyed it’s on a 12 second cooldown. The whole balance of the Pylon is the fact that you can push in and destroy it before she places another one. Her Pylon is in no way OP and can easily be countered by a widow/ash/echo/sombra(or anyone smart enough to see the healing beam shoot to her teammates). Not to mention you’d then have to waste resource on healing her Pylon when you have a limited amount. So what would happen is no one would play Illari because she has to heal 4 people plus a Pylon and would get screamed at 8/10 out of time for not healing the people her Pylon can’t cover. And last but not least if I was playing Mercy and had to keep fighting my staff to not heal the full health Pylon and heal my tank with 10% health I’d start screaming at Illari with everyone else.
you dont need to break your pylon btw, you can just press E again to deploy if it is not hit. You only break it if you put it before fight and you lose fight. Then break it before enemy hit it
Yes, the reason I recommend breaking it at all times is because there are moments where you have downtime (like moving in or moving backwards) where you risk a random enemy hitting your pylon, denying your recast!
@@MetroOW I see. I think this is 2nd time Blizzard done well Both kiriko and illari are for me, dps, create space and MOBILITY. These heroes are so fking fun and outplay potential Very well design hero, though Healing pylon 100% need tune down. Like that is the most OP ability of her, she heal entirely 10k healing EZ with just pylon and that ability alone enabling her to actively flank WITHOUT getting any punish.. just fking unreal lol
These are definitely the type of support heroes that are healthy for the game imo. Playing support shouldn’t feel like you have to babysit bad teammates half the time. On the DPS role having bad teammates doesn’t affect you nearly as much as they do on support. Illari can make up for bad dps on your team without having to sacrifice healing like Zen/Bap do.
Yea i doubt she's my type of support to play. Pretty much the same reason I don't play ana or baptiste they're too aim focused and I just hate the notion of needing good aim to be any good. I'll stick to my Moira
Most high rank players have so many competitive points that they can buy gold all skins even if 3 heroes release at the same time, that’s why everyone keeps asking for diamond skins because the points never run out.
Also, anyone that’s been playing OW1 since day 1, or at least the first few years, should have amassed enough credits to be able to buy every base cosmetic for all new characters. Especially with the battle pass adding 2000 credits every season, the credits should keep accumulating because one wouldn’t spend them on OW1 cosmetics since they would have already gotten them all before loot boxes were removed.
@@roxassalvatore3105 Ah, sorry, I didn’t see your reply until I refreshed. I know what you mean now. Still, if you got all the extra points collecting dust, no reason not to buy everything as soon as they’re released.
I like the direction they are going with support. Kiriko, lifeweaver(great concept bad execution), Illari seem to have a nice balance of what supports can do. Its not perfect, but i look forward to where this goes. Lower healing numbers more decisive fights and creative avenues to express skill in different ways.
Im already good enough with her but still great video Edit: shes really strong thats why some people think shes more dps than supp xD i do say supports can be supposed to deal mich damage. Hate it when people say: „supports dont deal much damage they are only supposed to heal“ thats dumb really. Im happy to be good in every role and this hero is perfect for me :D hope she wont get a nerf because nerfing her damage…they can instantly change her whole left click then if they do so
I disagree about pylon placement. I think that the reason she's a sun goddess, is because you're supposed to place the pylon as high as possible (and angled defensively) because the fight is down below and people seldom pay attention to up high. Also, the pylon heals based on horizontal distance, not vertical....treat the pylon like the sun....
While pylon has a vey big radius rn (15m), it does not help to place it too high. Yes, it can catch people by surprise but once people figure out the position of it, it's as easy to hit as any other pylon while you are giving up range (meaning u will be less likely to have most or all of ur team in the pylon range).
@@MetroOW I respectfully disagree. Obviously, placement must be strategic, which doesn't always mean placing high, but it also doesn't mean that always placing it lower is the best idea either. I've been winning a lot of games by simply placing the pylon in a defensive position but high above, especially at chokepoints or bottlenecks. This is because the fight is concentrated below, making it difficult to target the pylon that requires a player to cross enemy lines, look way up, aim, fire, and destroy. By the time they even manage, they've already been depleted. Flanks and peelers have a better chance, but then it puts them in a position where they're generally isolated, and the larger fight is missing a key team member. I'll be interested to see how strategies evolve around her, but so far, this has absolutely been a clutch strategy for me that has been consistently working out.
I think if the primary and seconday fire were swapped then shed be more like a support but yeah atm she just feels like a dps with a lot of self sustain. Shes fun for sure but we were promised a support 😭
@@MetroOW no doubt haha, and with combos like grav captive sun or emp sun, even tera surge sun will probably team wipe. Orissa ult is no longer useless if you have an Illari. I bet even soldier ult will be a massive combo with Captive sun. I'm also imagining hog will become viable if they have an Illari pocket. Such a strong hero
So do I. I thought I might have to rebind jump for her mobility and ult but actually it's not bad, it's mildly inconvenient but very doable still cause the ult propels you up already also if you do her mobility jump first then ult there's no reason to use jump during the ult cause you get a heap of height already
@@MetroOW yes, cuz she doesn't have the ability to hold up ur team like the other flex supps have... Ana for example she can easily keep up ur team, but illari only has her turret for heals realistically. The best comps to play illari would be with flex supps. I struggle to believe illari can sustain a team with a lucio or a Zen. But I'm only top 24 peak what can I know about the game right?
@@Profes24 If you are 24 peak and u have played Illari you would realize that her healing output rn is insane, probably higher than any other Support in the game
@@MetroOW Yes but have u considered the fact that all this wonderful healing can be destroyed? Placing ur turret in a safe spot is important and a skill cealing. But It can get destroyed and It will get focused immediately (if ur enemies have brains bigger than a pea...). Anyways u said urself that she is "A dps in the support category" and I agree with that, that's why I think she's more like a main supp than a flex supp. Don't get me wrong here flex supps still do a lot of dmg but they're main priority most of the time is to keep up the team. 💯 illaris priorities lay more in doing dmg and maby going on a flank with 1 of ur dps or throwing ur turret to support the dps if u can't get there in time. Illari has high heals but If u focus on heals u won't get max value that's for sure.
@@Profes24 My guy I'm not here to argue on game mechanics, you'll see how Illari will be played in Comp in a week, if you are truly a Top50 player you would understand how easy it is to place the turret in spots that can't be hit easily, her healing output is insane.
As a support main who also plays hitscan dps her damage felt more natural for me than other damage heavy supports. Due to her charge time you can bob in and out of cover dealing big damage relatively easily (aim dependant obviously)
Same I main bap
A soon as I saw the abilities i knew i had to go see if any dps players saw the potential
I know she's OP but with the way OW2 is and the kind of players who play the game. I think this type of Support is what people want.
Yea. she's really fun
It’s actually 90 damage to detonate captive sun, this means headshot will detonate and body shot melee.
Pretty sure its 100 dmg
Another thing with Illari’s ultimate. If you directly impact an enemy with the initial projectile it deals another 50 dmg to them dealing 100 impact damage instead of 50 to that specific target. Really good for getting instant picks.
Yes, I forgot to mention this!
@@MetroOW i found this out after basically 1 tapping my friend with her ult 😂
that's not true it only does 5 impact damage, check the wiki
@@knyt0 no, it does 50 dmg to anyone caught in the blast radius, however if someone is directly hit with the initial projectile it does a total of 100 impact damage to that target.
no it says 5 impact damage on the wiki, and i just tested it in game it does 55 total...@@AlfieMarshall-c7g
I'm late to the party as I just got back into ow about a month ago, and Illari has become my main after unlocking her about 2 weeks ago. I say all this because I wanted to add that I did, in fact, discover that genji can deflect her ult back at you...
Ashe,widow, tracer low gm player here. Yea, I have played her a bit already. She's ALOT more fun than any dps atm in my opinion. The amount of value per-second if you utilise her properly is astonishing. The dmg is effortless and so is the healing. I'd say 1v1s are tricky against tracer, soujorn and soldier a little. Kiriko is kinda scary too. Bit usually they run for the moment soon as I headshot them down to low health. If they dont. I jump into them (if they're alone) and melee them. Very fun hero.
IT's TIME DPS PLAYERS, we play Support now, FREE SR
90 Damage to make enemies explode after Captive Sun.
So a charged headshot will do it, or a pair of bodyshots (charged and uncharged) also do it.
Splash plus explosion (50+120) is 170, plus 90 to proc explode nets you 260.
You can 2 tap Junkrat's steel trap or RIP-Tire with charged+uncharged shots.
Im a dps player. Switched to being a Kiriko one trick im s1. Definitely adding this character to my hero pool.
pylon seems crazy, you can literally pocket a dps while pocketing another dps, as you dps...
Im a pretty aggressive support player so I enjoy playing dps Lucio, Illari, and sometimes Ana when I see the team struggling with kills and I think her anti could really help (it's worked everytime and Changed the tide of the game with anas anti. With Lucio of course being an aoh, I don't usually get much healing but I will get more or similar kills with the DPS, with illari if you place your healing beacon well that thing won't come down for a good few minutes and still be in a good spot for your team, and I will as illari consistently have atleast 4-6k more healing done than my tm8 support and have 20+ more kills than them.
She's a great balance, and I sadly do see her getting nerfed in the future because of this, but I would recommend any dps who goes support to try her, and you can be the good support that the dps needs or never gets, for the tanks that have congratulated or paid compliments to my performance after a loss or win, or even the enemy team will win and still pay tribute to my performance because I will have 1.5x the amount of healing, half the amount of deaths, and 20 mor kills.
Her ult is also very crucial To land, I got my 1st 5k about a week ago and that was creaaamy stuff
Being so real i think Illari should get some sympathetic recovery in her ult like Mercy but maybe that’s just me
I had a genji deflect my ult once, and legit surprised me. I honestly thought I timed it to go as soon as he finished deflect, but i was horribly wrong. Cool and unfortunate, but wasn't potg when it ended
This is a Certified Blizzard Moment
What are the early impressions? Throw pick, viable, meta?
A Tier
Also remember that by default, "hold for high jumps" on Illari's SHIFT is turned on. Definitely turn it off if you want to avoid getting screwed out of closing distance, and solely rely on holding SPACE + pressing SHIFT.
You can "one" shot tracer by headshot + melee + outburst
You don't have to manually destroy the pylon to place a new one, once it's off cooldown you can just throw a new one, the exact same as Torb turret.
Yes, the reason I still recommend making it a habit to break the old pylon first is because there will be moments where u wanna move from point A to B and you want to make sure u can place the new pylon right away.
If you leave the old pylon up in those situations and they get hit for 1 dmg by anyone, you will not be able to place the new one.
@@MetroOW Fair enough, I've sometimes moved the pylon mid-fight because the fight itself moves out of range of it, if you manually destroy the pylon in that situation it is briefly locked out of being placed. I do destroy it manually during Flashpoint matches when moving to new points just to be sure I can place it at our destination. I just find it's not always wise to manually destroy it.
4:55 I'd say Moira heals are even worse when you consider spamming them, not better. After Moiras healing runs out she has to do damage to regain it, Illari just gotta wait
Illari and LW are sensational together now.
Im glad that dps mains got their new dps character. As a support main i feel betreyed tho 😅
On thing that would be more balanced for the Pilon (to easy and op in my opinion) would be that the healt of the Pilon, is the health that it ca provide to team mates
So you would place you Pilon and it would heal as it does, but at the expense of a bit of is health everytime. You could also be able to heal the pilon to make it survive longer
It would make he more active and skillfull you would have to juggle between doing damage and keeping your Pilon up for the hole team of beaming a single team mate for big heal Instantly. I would also make her beam charge a bit slower since her Pilon is already a geat heal without any player investment at the moment
Naw that’d just add way more micro management to her kit. Especially because they’d have to change the way it works entirely. If her Pylon starts taking damage she can’t reapply the Pylon and if it gets destroyed it’s on a 12 second cooldown. The whole balance of the Pylon is the fact that you can push in and destroy it before she places another one. Her Pylon is in no way OP and can easily be countered by a widow/ash/echo/sombra(or anyone smart enough to see the healing beam shoot to her teammates). Not to mention you’d then have to waste resource on healing her Pylon when you have a limited amount. So what would happen is no one would play Illari because she has to heal 4 people plus a Pylon and would get screamed at 8/10 out of time for not healing the people her Pylon can’t cover. And last but not least if I was playing Mercy and had to keep fighting my staff to not heal the full health Pylon and heal my tank with 10% health I’d start screaming at Illari with everyone else.
Illari + Zaria is an absolutely deadly combo. Won 15 matches with 2 losses w my roommate last night
Dumb question, how do you get your rank like that in practice range? I only see it in Comp
you dont need to break your pylon btw, you can just press E again to deploy if it is not hit. You only break it if you put it before fight and you lose fight. Then break it before enemy hit it
Yes, the reason I recommend breaking it at all times is because there are moments where you have downtime (like moving in or moving backwards) where you risk a random enemy hitting your pylon, denying your recast!
@@MetroOW I see. I think this is 2nd time Blizzard done well
Both kiriko and illari are for me, dps, create space and MOBILITY. These heroes are so fking fun and outplay potential
Very well design hero, though Healing pylon 100% need tune down. Like that is the most OP ability of her, she heal entirely 10k healing EZ with just pylon and that ability alone enabling her to actively flank WITHOUT getting any punish.. just fking unreal lol
These are definitely the type of support heroes that are healthy for the game imo. Playing support shouldn’t feel like you have to babysit bad teammates half the time. On the DPS role having bad teammates doesn’t affect you nearly as much as they do on support. Illari can make up for bad dps on your team without having to sacrifice healing like Zen/Bap do.
What's the point of Cas and Ashe now?
Play Illari EZ :)
Yea i doubt she's my type of support to play. Pretty much the same reason I don't play ana or baptiste they're too aim focused and I just hate the notion of needing good aim to be any good. I'll stick to my Moira
I like putting it on ceilings cuz the extra range
What are the crosshair settings?
I love how people complain about her damage but we have characters like Zen, Baptiste and Moira who are worse.
You already got golden gun and a skin ?
Most high rank players have so many competitive points that they can buy gold all skins even if 3 heroes release at the same time, that’s why everyone keeps asking for diamond skins because the points never run out.
@@VirixPhilia I got it too I was just like dang she just came out
Also, anyone that’s been playing OW1 since day 1, or at least the first few years, should have amassed enough credits to be able to buy every base cosmetic for all new characters. Especially with the battle pass adding 2000 credits every season, the credits should keep accumulating because one wouldn’t spend them on OW1 cosmetics since they would have already gotten them all before loot boxes were removed.
@@roxassalvatore3105
Ah, sorry, I didn’t see your reply until I refreshed. I know what you mean now. Still, if you got all the extra points collecting dust, no reason not to buy everything as soon as they’re released.
I like the direction they are going with support. Kiriko, lifeweaver(great concept bad execution), Illari seem to have a nice balance of what supports can do. Its not perfect, but i look forward to where this goes.
Lower healing numbers more decisive fights and creative avenues to express skill in different ways.
Can anybody tell me how to get the rail gun charge bar hud to be bigger? Is that just a pc thing? It’s the same for zarya
Im already good enough with her but still great video
Edit: shes really strong thats why some people think shes more dps than supp xD i do say supports can be supposed to deal mich damage. Hate it when people say: „supports dont deal much damage they are only supposed to heal“ thats dumb really. Im happy to be good in every role and this hero is perfect for me :D hope she wont get a nerf because nerfing her damage…they can instantly change her whole left click then if they do so
I disagree about pylon placement. I think that the reason she's a sun goddess, is because you're supposed to place the pylon as high as possible (and angled defensively) because the fight is down below and people seldom pay attention to up high. Also, the pylon heals based on horizontal distance, not vertical....treat the pylon like the sun....
While pylon has a vey big radius rn (15m), it does not help to place it too high. Yes, it can catch people by surprise but once people figure out the position of it, it's as easy to hit as any other pylon while you are giving up range (meaning u will be less likely to have most or all of ur team in the pylon range).
@@MetroOW I respectfully disagree. Obviously, placement must be strategic, which doesn't always mean placing high, but it also doesn't mean that always placing it lower is the best idea either. I've been winning a lot of games by simply placing the pylon in a defensive position but high above, especially at chokepoints or bottlenecks. This is because the fight is concentrated below, making it difficult to target the pylon that requires a player to cross enemy lines, look way up, aim, fire, and destroy. By the time they even manage, they've already been depleted. Flanks and peelers have a better chance, but then it puts them in a position where they're generally isolated, and the larger fight is missing a key team member. I'll be interested to see how strategies evolve around her, but so far, this has absolutely been a clutch strategy for me that has been consistently working out.
This is really upsetting. I want to main her, but all my teammates just push everything and then never stay by the pylon.
1:11 you forgot sojourn and widow
I deflected one on accident with genji. Im bronze so no kills or potg
This is good but it got the same problem as Moira: is just heal and Damage, no buff no debuff. Which is sad. Dps Illari is real for sure
This makes me wanna play paladins like damn she looks and feels like she's in the wrong game
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4:15 zen ult is 300hp/s 🤓👆
I was talking about non ult abilities 🤓👆
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I think if the primary and seconday fire were swapped then shed be more like a support but yeah atm she just feels like a dps with a lot of self sustain. Shes fun for sure but we were promised a support 😭
She also heals a ton, you just need your team to play around your turret. She is gonna be hard meta in ranked and will probably see nerfs soon.
@@MetroOW no doubt haha, and with combos like grav captive sun or emp sun, even tera surge sun will probably team wipe. Orissa ult is no longer useless if you have an Illari. I bet even soldier ult will be a massive combo with Captive sun. I'm also imagining hog will become viable if they have an Illari pocket.
Such a strong hero
Good release on content but still 😭
3/8 supports is a hitscan now. Wtf is this
helps queue times
@@KKJazz I hope
Pretty cool and all but I play on console 💀
So do I. I thought I might have to rebind jump for her mobility and ult but actually it's not bad, it's mildly inconvenient but very doable still cause the ult propels you up already also if you do her mobility jump first then ult there's no reason to use jump during the ult cause you get a heap of height already
Has anyone else noticed this character is a blatant copy of furia from paladins.
She damage is super low
? She is insane for a Support
She is not a flex supp shes main supp
No
@@MetroOW yes, cuz she doesn't have the ability to hold up ur team like the other flex supps have... Ana for example she can easily keep up ur team, but illari only has her turret for heals realistically. The best comps to play illari would be with flex supps. I struggle to believe illari can sustain a team with a lucio or a Zen. But I'm only top 24 peak what can I know about the game right?
@@Profes24 If you are 24 peak and u have played Illari you would realize that her healing output rn is insane, probably higher than any other Support in the game
@@MetroOW Yes but have u considered the fact that all this wonderful healing can be destroyed? Placing ur turret in a safe spot is important and a skill cealing. But It can get destroyed and It will get focused immediately (if ur enemies have brains bigger than a pea...). Anyways u said urself that she is "A dps in the support category" and I agree with that, that's why I think she's more like a main supp than a flex supp. Don't get me wrong here flex supps still do a lot of dmg but they're main priority most of the time is to keep up the team. 💯 illaris priorities lay more in doing dmg and maby going on a flank with 1 of ur dps or throwing ur turret to support the dps if u can't get there in time. Illari has high heals but If u focus on heals u won't get max value that's for sure.
@@Profes24 My guy I'm not here to argue on game mechanics, you'll see how Illari will be played in Comp in a week, if you are truly a Top50 player you would understand how easy it is to place the turret in spots that can't be hit easily, her healing output is insane.
69'th like xD