Useful men, who do useful things, don't mind being treated as useless. But the useless always judge themselves as being important and hide all their incompetence behind authority. - Paulo Coelho
My ex-girlfriend was in the SANDF, i have never ever seen an army like that. Uncoordinated, no way of planning ahead, no schedules, no reason, nothing. Once she was scheduled to go on an 8 week course, it lasted 16 weeks. That's not an army. it's a catastrophe.
Thank you for your informative narrative Hennie. It ought to be the duty of all implicated, concerned and objective thinking South Africans to appease and update themselves with the merits of any available and indisputable evidences. South Africans deserve the unequivocal truth and from impeccable sources before reacting and maybe storming speakers on stages
As a retired General Staff officer of the SANDF, I am deeply concerned (and saddened) by the public reprehension aimed at the current leadership. Although there are any amount of criticism going around, I do NOT subscribe to the fact that the SANDF is involved in death- or torture squad activities (hitherto not proven in any substantive way). Since the compulsory military training was stopped and the commando system closed down, like in rugby, you find these armchair generals who will at the drop of a hat cry "wolf" - but are incapable of influencing anything. In every country in the world you have military/security intelligence at work for obvious reasons, and their questioning methodologies differ, but nowhere is it intended to be a "lovers'spat" .... but if and when you do involve yourself with treacherous or undue activities, accept the consequences .... or find yourself another field to play on!! However, the military/security services should NOT play at "cloak and daggers" sending out/shoot questionable arrows to this already highly politicized/sensitized peoples of SA!! .... points in question being the shenanigans by the ISIS in northern Mozambique, or the Lady R farce at Simonstown!!! ... in short, DO NOT underestimate or try to downgrade the intelligence of South Africans --- then don't feel aggrieved when they react neither!!!
And soldiers are warned that whatever happens are not to talk about it. Why don’t they interview some of the first year recruits, telling them to speak the truth.
Lol..First year recruits???...bud, they will be MOST difficult to get to spill the beans.. they are the ones who wants to prove that they are made for this...I've trained "with" (basically in the same vicinity) them...those guys won't even tell you which weapons they are being trained on..tight-lipped...they are called _"special forces"_ for a reason..
@@Pipebenda-ZAWe don't care about your success story,it's exactly the kind like you who think they have made it who dnt really see the problem of whites owning so much of land,I already can tell you not from the Kasi ,stupid middle class blacks who dnt really know what it's like to live in concentration camps/squatter camps
Corruption should be rooted out from any professional military organisation in any country. The officers should be held accountable first for abuse of power.
Iam not saying this is right but this is what most of the special forces around known to do ,they act out of the scope of the law take Delta force of the USA for instance they are known to do the most shocking things but yet they are never taken into account.
KURRUPT. MY DRUNK NABIOUR PUT A GUN TO MY HEAD BUT ENDED UP SHOOTING A FRIEND 5 TIMES NEXT TO ME. MY FRIEND SURVIVED AND OPENED CASE ITS NOW BEEN 10 MONTHS AND WE STILL WAITING FOR THE INVESTIGATING OFFICER TO TAKE OUR STATEMENTS. I HAVEN'T SEEN THE POLICE SINCE. 🤞🇿🇦 FTP
I mean we saw and heard what happened during lockdown, so many complaints about the Solders. so why is this shocking? that was just a small scale we got a taste of. Collen died in his house, people draged and beaten. just during lock down. imagine things we do not see
I just want to raise ma concerns,i was a video of Malawian was sawing the uniforms of SADF it was on socisl media i asked ma self where he got the materials.Which means criminals are posing as our SADF to terrorise the community now you are blaming S.A. pls let the police investigate its ma concern.
At the end of the day, we need special force protection as a country, we should let them do their job whatever the costs, we should stop this thing of protecting criminals, let them work in peace
Yes, but they shouldn't abuse their powers and Illtreat civilians, that is not on. We should not fear the very people paid to protect us. Justice will soon be done. Amen 🙏 🙌 🙌
That's how revolutionary parties do... ANC and ZANU PF are brothers they read from same book... That's why they never say anything about ZANU PF... Soon the judiciary will be captured in SA... And it will become banana republic like Zimbabwe
I'll take this whole case with a small grain of salt...this is blown way out of proportion..anyway..Special Forces act under command of the President..all actions are politically motivated and sanctioned..that's a FACT...if those guys(Special Forces) acted, it was in the interest of National Security...
There is a mafia type ring in the DOD and SANDF! If the president is pardoned for laundering cash, how can we trust the top government officials and people.
Im with on this 1, wen weapons r stolen from the military base u cant trust saps to solve that case, only soldiers can do, people will be busy shouting talking bad of soldiers if nothing is resolved. So special forces r tasked.
Why people are so obsessed about misterious terrorist who was abducted in Mall of Africa... This people are not independent journalists they are being used and paid by American NGOs to investigate Russian Ship They think we are fools Our Special forces are keeping us safe same as CIA and M16 are doing using special forces
DA will never produce any proof, for months the rand and the economy suffered because of DA lies about Lady R. Nobody takes the unpatriotic DA seriously anymore.
Just to inform this female anchor of the SABC newsroom, military soldiers within the SADF never subjected anybody to these kind of atrocities. SAPS had rogue units who did things like these, so please get your facts straight before making such utterances on national television.
@@glennborrageiro6257 Not in the least bit. I'm proud to have been part of the SADF and not the SANDF. The difference is that the SADF was an honorable military force that operated strictly under the Genéva convention laws, while the SANDF have these rogue units with murder squads who commits these atrocities. No honor at all.
just want to know why everything is apartheid way.......torture in that way is known all round the world.....news reporters and readers are 80% to blame for all trouble in this world.....is that a true statement?
Everything in South Africa is rotten. The fish rots from the head. ANC is a curse on this nation.
So much reason for us to go out in numbers 2024 to vote ANC out. Rotten MAFIAS 😂
How sad, I cry for our beloved country. 😭😭😟🙁🤬
South Africa is truly rotten with corruption in everything and every way. At this point after hearing this nothing can shock me anymore
Black people keep voting for corrupt incompetent evil party called the ANC
I agree 💯💯💯💯
There are few things more dangerous than a mixture of power, arrogance and incompetence. - Bob Herbert
Name that few things? There is none
"When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked usurp rule, the people mourn." - Proverbs 29 v 2
We are lead by evils, we are not safe at all
There's too many 'undercover' govt groups that act with impunity in South Africa...
Useful men, who do useful things, don't mind being treated as useless. But the useless always judge themselves as being important and hide all their incompetence behind authority. - Paulo Coelho
Agree 💯💯💯💯
My ex-girlfriend was in the SANDF, i have never ever seen an army like that. Uncoordinated, no way of planning ahead, no schedules, no reason, nothing. Once she was scheduled to go on an 8 week course, it lasted 16 weeks. That's not an army. it's a catastrophe.
you are talking absolute garbage
“Uncoordinated, no reason, nothing” please stop lying man don’t let your hatred turn you into a lier 😂
She was just cheating on you man...
She definitely lied to you 😂🤣 she spent the other weeks with the ‘love of her life’
Not news to me............not only in South Africa
Thank you for your informative narrative Hennie. It ought to be the duty of all implicated, concerned and objective thinking South Africans to appease and update themselves with the merits of any available and indisputable evidences. South Africans deserve the unequivocal truth and from impeccable sources before reacting and maybe storming speakers on stages
As a retired General Staff officer of the SANDF, I am deeply concerned (and saddened) by the public reprehension aimed at the current leadership. Although there are any amount of criticism going around, I do NOT subscribe to the fact that the SANDF is involved in death- or torture squad activities (hitherto not proven in any substantive way). Since the compulsory military training was stopped and the commando system closed down, like in rugby, you find these armchair generals who will at the drop of a hat cry "wolf" - but are incapable of influencing anything. In every country in the world you have military/security intelligence at work for obvious reasons, and their questioning methodologies differ, but nowhere is it intended to be a "lovers'spat" .... but if and when you do involve yourself with treacherous or undue activities, accept the consequences .... or find yourself another field to play on!!
However, the military/security services should NOT play at "cloak and daggers" sending out/shoot questionable arrows to this already highly politicized/sensitized peoples of SA!! .... points in question being the shenanigans by the ISIS in northern Mozambique, or the Lady R farce at Simonstown!!! ... in short, DO NOT underestimate or try to downgrade the intelligence of South Africans --- then don't feel aggrieved when they react neither!!!
And soldiers are warned that whatever happens are not to talk about it. Why don’t they interview some of the first year recruits, telling them to speak the truth.
Lol..First year recruits???...bud, they will be MOST difficult to get to spill the beans.. they are the ones who wants to prove that they are made for this...I've trained "with" (basically in the same vicinity) them...those guys won't even tell you which weapons they are being trained on..tight-lipped...they are called _"special forces"_ for a reason..
What would first year recruits know ? How the gave up p@$$y to be favorite. They talking about serious things here😂
There is no recruits at Special Forces.
Only veterans, they will never tell you what happened.
@chaukelattovulture106 oh yea when a mods goes for selection and passed he was already considered a veteran? 🤣🤣🤣
Where are we going to run too,as the nation if SANDF and SAPS do such things we are on our own to protect our family
Jesus Christ, He will never forsake you.
So true 🤣🤣🤣
What you expect the lawless is ruling the country
Thank you Leanne, great interview!
Poor South Africa... in the hands of the most evil persons.
Evil than your ancestors who invaded this part of our beloved continent since 1652 and still own more than 80% of the land ?
@@imhotep1613lol if you work hard you might also own a piece of land one day!
@@Pipebenda-ZAplz you mean you inherited the stolen land😂😂😂 Is how you are proud to claim you worked for😂😂
@@phumlamazibuko3003 Dude Im a 24yr old Black man, I came from nothing but now have everything, hard work does pays off!
@@Pipebenda-ZAWe don't care about your success story,it's exactly the kind like you who think they have made it who dnt really see the problem of whites owning so much of land,I already can tell you not from the Kasi ,stupid middle class blacks who dnt really know what it's like to live in concentration camps/squatter camps
Open case,go to court and give evidence.
After that no proof or witnessed are intimidated case closed. This is SA, criminals are controlling everything.
Jeeeesus.did not take long to bring up apartheid.
You cannot wish history away...Domkop
What has Jesus to do with this?
Are u an apartheid sympathisor?
Yip, apartheid has been dead and gone for more than 30 years, and they still trying to use it as an excuse for their failings...
True that .....they have forgotten how ruthless they were themselves
Our Government Edom they are all going to pay, ➡️Jeremiah 49v 14-17 Amen 🙏🏾
its expected. That is the SANDF
U clearly have never heard of the CIA and Mi6 this is nothing compared to what they do 😂😂😂
ANC must go they the root of all this evil
What if the abducted person was really a terrorist? And we were saved from a potential terrorist attack
SA, the country that rotts like roadkill.
CORRUPTION IS EVERYWHERE
Pls probe the TSC corruption on cadre deployment
Pres. Ramaphosa is in over his head!
Yes he is, ANC must be voted out
Special Forces answers to the President.
Corruption should be rooted out from any professional military organisation in any country. The officers should be held accountable first for abuse of power.
Totally unacceptable, the South African Defence Force of old was at least disciplined within its ranks....the rot always starts from the top they say
Disciplined by mass murdering people all over Southern Africa? Sies.
The ANC wing exposed - what not surprised nor am I!
And at the centre of this is....? A politician who has to be protected. From what?
Exactly 💯 and they still get paid from the tax payers money...please vote for ANC to fall 😢😢😢
cadre deployment
ANC is rotten into there core !!!
My hope in this countries dies more and more everyday. Our kids have no future here.
Iam not saying this is right but this is what most of the special forces around known to do ,they act out of the scope of the law take Delta force of the USA for instance they are known to do the most shocking things but yet they are never taken into account.
I wonder what people think special forces do...
Anything these comrades get there hands on ....destroy or corrupt anything they come across ..
Where was Open Case Investigations before 94?
not sure why anyone is shocked?
Corruption is all they know, Im sure they wouldn’t even survive a war laba
Special forces are literally trying to stop ISIS from operating inside SA 😒 and u busy complaining
All part of the country decline
What is going on in SA 😮
Power over the nation. How many times has Ramaphosa called on the army to do police work.
I did not hear the connection of Russian ship with this criminal activities
KURRUPT.
MY DRUNK NABIOUR PUT A GUN TO MY HEAD BUT ENDED UP SHOOTING A FRIEND 5 TIMES NEXT TO ME. MY FRIEND SURVIVED AND OPENED CASE ITS NOW BEEN 10 MONTHS AND WE STILL WAITING FOR THE INVESTIGATING OFFICER TO TAKE OUR STATEMENTS.
I HAVEN'T SEEN THE POLICE SINCE. 🤞🇿🇦 FTP
BS🤣🤣🤣
@@accountretired9479 i swear Chatsworth police station is 🗣️. They paid of sum1
Nooo not in the ANC government
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Free South Africa😂😂😂😂😂😂
oldies in the army offices sleeping with young people for tenders..
Ian Cameton should get involved
Expose the names of all those within the corruptness. Names and faces. Expose them!
I mean we saw and heard what happened during lockdown, so many complaints about the Solders. so why is this shocking? that was just a small scale we got a taste of. Collen died in his house, people draged and beaten. just during lock down. imagine things we do not see
I just want to raise ma concerns,i was a video of Malawian was sawing the uniforms of SADF it was on socisl media i asked ma self where he got the materials.Which means criminals are posing as our SADF to terrorise the community now you are blaming S.A. pls let the police investigate its ma concern.
Go to "Carte Blanche" and listen to this story where they talk to whistle blowers, then you will decide what you want to believe after that
They also see what you see, why haven't they stepped up and done something?🤔😥🙁🙄
Who is investigating?
The President hasnt got the Balls to speak
Military police means police for SANDF this happening all over the world this is Da propaganda
Wonder who they can blame ?
At the end of the day, we need special force protection as a country, we should let them do their job whatever the costs, we should stop this thing of protecting criminals, let them work in peace
Yes, but they shouldn't abuse their powers and Illtreat civilians, that is not on. We should not fear the very people paid to protect us. Justice will soon be done. Amen 🙏 🙌 🙌
Very soon you will start to understand why Zimbabweans are always running away from home.
They ANC aren't they......99% chance its true
That's how revolutionary parties do... ANC and ZANU PF are brothers they read from same book... That's why they never say anything about ZANU PF... Soon the judiciary will be captured in SA... And it will become banana republic like Zimbabwe
Dont forget that next year u a going to election
Some interviews really, with all the ifs, ifs
Another issue is the OLD NATIONAL GUARD SPECIAL FORCE AND TGEUR CAPTAIN /CIRPORALS and Mkhondo - the rogue unit
Wow, never thot sandf is this corrupt
Mmmm now we finally know who John Wick is.
Shocking Leigh Ann? Don't make me laugh.🤣
Morning afternoon evening
Who is funding this open secret foundation?
Obvious
Viva Southbabwe!
It all happens under Ramaphosa the beloved president who is not corrupt.
Afri Forum propaganda
I'll take this whole case with a small grain of salt...this is blown way out of proportion..anyway..Special Forces act under command of the President..all actions are politically motivated and sanctioned..that's a FACT...if those guys(Special Forces) acted, it was in the interest of National Security...
..what national interest when killing people?1 day it wl b you or your relative..I wish u would repeat the same words
Then, due process should be followed. That's what courts are for.
I can't believe you are advocating for such under the name of 'National Security'.
There is a mafia type ring in the DOD and SANDF!
If the president is pardoned for laundering cash, how can we trust the top government officials and people.
Im with on this 1, wen weapons r stolen from the military base u cant trust saps to solve that case, only soldiers can do, people will be busy shouting talking bad of soldiers if nothing is resolved. So special forces r tasked.
Why people are so obsessed about misterious terrorist who was abducted in Mall of Africa... This people are not independent journalists they are being used and paid by American NGOs to investigate Russian Ship
They think we are fools
Our Special forces are keeping us safe same as CIA and M16 are doing using special forces
Abuse of power like the apartheid?
Why Apartheid?
Your father will be mad at you.
Sounds ancich
Coming from DA I don't believe it.Where is proof.
They seek to undermine everything run by black people
Proof is in the pudding dimwit
These guys learn to hide the truth and to investigate the SANDF you have to get access to their records etc. which is impossible.
🤮🤮🤮
DA will never produce any proof, for months the rand and the economy suffered because of DA lies about Lady R. Nobody takes the unpatriotic DA seriously anymore.
Just to inform this female anchor of the SABC newsroom, military soldiers within the SADF never subjected anybody to these kind of atrocities.
SAPS had rogue units who did things like these, so please get your facts straight before making such utterances on national television.
Ever heard of Eugene De Kok?
@@D-throne He was in SAPS.
@@johansmit4447you are corret, I retract that comment.
Hua shem your feelings are hurt.
@@glennborrageiro6257 Not in the least bit.
I'm proud to have been part of the SADF and not the SANDF.
The difference is that the SADF was an honorable military force that operated strictly under the Genéva convention laws, while the SANDF have these rogue units with murder squads who commits these atrocities. No honor at all.
This torture is like in the Apartheid days
just want to know why everything is apartheid way.......torture in that way is known all round the world.....news reporters and readers are 80% to blame for all trouble in this world.....is that a true statement?
In SA it's the way the africans were tortured during apartheid even worst than he said.
Think it worked both ways ....praying for light and peace in our country...
No blameshifting but accountability 😢😢
And by ANC in camps in Angola