Miss the Armor Digivolutions so much. Kinda wish the 02 Digidestined fought against the loose end antagonists like Dragomon and Daemon from the Dark Ocean and Dark Gennai.
Omg so I looked at 02 ep 13 again. And I realized okomon looks just like the master dude from the dark ocean. So that plot hole, in my head, HAS BEEN FIXED AFTER LIKE 10 YEARS FOR ME🥳
@@dododo8874dragomon was the dark master from the ocean. The creepy digimon from the movie did say they were connected to a powerful entity tho so that's a possibility. They'll have to do another movie for us to know.
Some people said this movie was "beyond expectation", yet some said it was "bit disappointment", guess we really have to see it for ourselves to judge it.
I liked it and there were one certain scene where it could’ve traumatized me if I was any younger. As a 20 year old, it just disturbs me and I imagine that scary scene sometimes. I’m getting over it
Naw Digiknow’s comments were spot on! Plus I’m seeing more bad reviews than good. You should definitely see for yourself but prepare yourself for a “deep” story about a new character with no fighting lol
@aldendomino3523 What a bold assumption (and not correct). I never watched Digimon for the fights, it's always been about the plot. Fights were just a pleasant addition.
For me some parts were disappointing. It was definitely a well-made movie…but once again it has left more questions for me. But at least now I have a small head canon about who the dark master from 02 ep 13 (hikari’s first time in the dark world.) so I guess one plot hole from many years ago is fixed. But this movie really didn’t focus on many of the 02 kids. Takeru had 3 noticeable lines and 2 were puns while the last one was a genuine concern that daisuke pushed aside with no care.
One thing i think thats been missing from the adventure movies is a well written digimon villain like every villiain we've gotten in adventure movies since tri are either human/humanoid or digimon without any personality. The writers need to understand what made the og series so good are some of the digimon villian themselves like the banter between arukedimon & mummymon or the threatening aura of Myotismon and The dark masters.
I think Diaboromon worked well, because it was the first glitched/hacked/outofcontrol digimon villain and didn´t need personality or an evil plan because of that narrative. Then they did this over and over again thinking that is what makes a good villain for a digimon movie, but failed to see that this formula has its limits.
I agree, though ironically i think the best villian was Ken/the Digimon Emporer, the first human villian, and by far the best. However, the reason Ken worked was because he was in a series where he could be built up and established as part of a main cast. Either a more simple villian in terms of motive, i.e. just evil, like Diaboromon for example, or a villian that we already know from the main series, would work better for a movie, because then they don't need to dedicate a tonne of time to develop them, and we can focus on the rest of the cast. In my opinion, it is a mistake that they keep on dedicating so much screentime to building up new villians for these anniversary projects, when people are seeing them specifically because they want to see the old characters. Especially as in the case of 02 we have like 3 (or even 4?) unresolved villians they could have further developed, it's not like they even had to think of a new antagonist. Dagomon Daemon Milleniumon (don't like that he's an obscure wonderswan game exclusive when he literally initiates the entire 02 plot by producing the dark spores. Also Ken creating chimeramon, which is in milleniumon's line, felt like a very wasted opportunity to make him the final boss) And Ken. Yeah, contrary to most people's opinion seemingly, I actually don't consider Ken a fully resolved antagonist. I would have if they didn't throw a spanner in what was already a great character arc by saying the spore influenced his behaviour, but as they did, I now have to consider that he's still got it inside him. The end of 02 basically being like, don't worry! As long as you're positive, you'll never turn to the dark side again, everyone lives happily ever after, feels extremely naive to me. Obviously over the course of Ken's life he will experience grief, heartache, negativity, and terrible things happening to him. No one can go through life perpetually positive and having a great time. So what will happen to him then? As a young adult is he ever tripped up by the minefield of adult worries and tragedies? I think this would be interesting to explore, and the writers leaving the spore inside him does leave a very open door in my opinion for him to reprise an antagonistic or semi-antagonsitic role. All 4 of those villians seem linked in either motive or connection to the dark spores, a movie tying up these loose ends would have been really great.
I really enjoyed this movie, but I think your critiques are honest and fair. I agree that I wish we had spent more time with the 02 kids and looking into their lives.
This Lui story would be great if they decided to make a Digimon Anthology series based on the 01/02 universe. Where every episode focuses on a new digi-destined. I hate how they went about this film and I hope we get another opportunity to see the 02 cast in a story that focuses on them.
Gotta be honest, I want them to stop making Adventure movies. They can't come up with a plot for these movies that isn't "new chosen child thats been around the whole time that the kids have to help" They add new lore that contradicts the previously established material. The retcon here was not needed. Im not the biggest 02 fan, but I cant see how fans of the cast will get much out of this movie.
The director of adventure and 02, Hiroyuki kakudo, last week he posted a blog of his version of the adventure timeline between the end of 02 and the epilogue incase you are interested in it . He was involved during the early production of Kizuna but ended up leaving the proyect because the script of the director contradicted his vision about the world completely. withthewill uploaded the full article translated. Kakudo was involved in Digimon Survive according to Habu Kazumasa, and some parts of his article even reminded me to certain parts of survive, it'd be interesting to know your opinion about that "what if" post 02 world according to the original director, he even talked about how certain character reached their careers in the epilogue and they kinda made a lot of sense. This part of his lore was really interesting, the humans according to him were getting digimon around the world increasing the number by two each year. 1 in 1996, 2 in 1997, 4 in 1998, 8 in 1999, 64 in 2002, etc etc, reaching the point in 2027 where every person in the world have a digimon. In his lore neither a wish or rui were never necessary
That is super interesting but one thing with original lore and that vision is: how about the first digidestined? Weren't they a group of 5 and thus 5 digimon partners? Or was there one from earlier year that attached to the next year's group or something?
when they went to the past i was expecting some cool avengers endgame type shenanigans. but nope they just went straight back. in fact they didn't even need to go to the past, it could have just been part of lui's long ass backstory dump. it literally is just there to get lui to talk about his past. What a wasted opportunity.
Sorry to hear the movie disappointed you man. I personally thought it was a really good and well done mature story, and I feel like a lot of people misunderstood what they were trying to do here. It's clearly a much smaller and more personal story that deals with some serious topics. Abuse, misunderstandings, how relationships are a two way street and can't be one sided. I can see why people are upset with no new forms and the lack of battles and action but it also sort of confuses me because for a while now I was under the impression that it was understood that the Adventure characters were older now and were dealing with more "grown up" type stuff. I can't help but feel like a lot of the fans who say they grew up with the original series didn't actually grow up and just want new forms to buy toys of. It might be better off if they start to make these big movies or events take place in the Digital World for a better excuse to have new forms and battles. I really thought the ending in particular was quite good, what they did with the Digivices and the context of the bond between Digimon and their tamers was profound and the very real message of "you don't need and shouldn't rely on technology in order to have a real bond and connection with your loved ones" was fantastic and very important especially today. I totally agreed with it wholeheartedly. In regards to the director saying this could only be made with the 02 cast, I get what he meant by that. It's just like you said, this cast is different from the 01 cast as having a Digimon for them is more like an every day casual thing instead of some mystical or special event. And more Digidestined are being discovered every day, it's becoming a pretty standard and common occurrence. So with how their Digimon are really just their best pals, that happen to be monsters, they're all treated like legitimate people and family. And the main themes and ending of the film perfectly align with that. Anyway man, great video as always. Appreciate your thoughts and hope you're doing well.
not gonna lie it was decent but it felt like it should’ve been Tri. it should’ve been a special. the movie was interesting but yeah felt like it should’ve been a special instead. i didn’t mind the lack of fights but eh. should’ve involved the dark ocean to finish up Karis 02 story.
@@leonardofarias8843hell toei could've at least go a la dragón Ball super style and come up with an 02 series or ovas taking place after the events of the beginning There a picture on the Internet of the Adventure timeline and the beginning takes place in 2012 while the end of 02 is in 2027, so there's a 15 year gap where Toei can come up with something good for adventure 02 with more stories, well written villains, and new digievolutions while having both silphymon's mega (Valkyriemon) and shakkoumon's mega (SlashAngemon) appear for the 1st time
Completely agree. I felt disappointed in how the 02 cast got thrown aside for this story. The story is good on its own. If they had advertised this as a digimon project and not an 02 movie I think I would have been happy with what we got. But instead it was advertised as a continuation with the 02 kids. Honestly I don't even think they were really needed, this could have been released as a TH-cam series with just rou working things out on his own.
I completely agree. This story was more about Lui, than the digidestined. And the whole idea that the reason they have their Digimon was because of a wish he made was absolutely ridiculous. I’ve watched every season of Digimon with the exception of fusion. I know what happened and what didn’t happen. And to not only mess with the Digimon lore. But to make the main digidestined side and supporting characters, with an extreme lack of combat was just wrong. Last Kizuna was way better.
I think what the director morseo meant when he said that this film could only be told with the 02 cast was less of a functional reason of requiring that Adventure canon and 02 cast to play a pivotal role that no one else could and more that they had more of an active interest in the 02 cast as characters and wanted to use them more than any other team. Because of all the Adventure material we've gotten since Tri, the 02 cast feels on point in how they're written. Davis and Ken's chemistry, Cody's tendency to go against the grain for the sake of it, Kari judging people based solely on her own perspective, and even the tendency of the 02 cast to divide amongst themselves when things get difficult and argue to take no action rather than continue forward down the immediate pass (like when they got wrecked by Kimeramon the first time, or during the Daemon Corps invasion, or at the end in the fantasy world which is how Myotismon trapped them to begin with). Its not all positive, but that's the characters and it's what drew me in here, because up to this point it felt more so like we had loose simulations of the Adventure cast in the previous films just similar enough to their previous selves to serve the story. Kari in the previous films had mostly been a prop for Tai and TK was even less than that. They kind of needed the 02 cast to be much of anything at this point. I think Gatomon has more lines in this movie than in the last 7 combined. And I'd argue that Davis is the key to solving the whole plot, with his ability to uncomplicated things and push forward with pure confidence that no other character in the franchise really has (and that solved all the previous conflicts I listed above). And while I get your criticisms and I think many are valid, there's no way you can convince me that this is worse than the latter Tri films, which just seemed to exist to pump out new forms and what Dark Gennai was trying to accomplish was never really elborated on so that plot went no where. It's the opposite problem, but I'd rather have this that forms and action for their own sake while pretending it's serious. A middle ground would be ideal, but picking between the two I pick this.
Your analysis is great and pulls the others some parts that I had totally forgot about until I watched the Toei animation Digimon adventure 02 episodes they posted on their TH-cam channel. What I believe was happening was they needed to continue with the adventure Tri series where Tai, and Matt, but mostly Tai didn’t want to fight as he knew that (1) fighting, doesn’t solve all problems, (2)fighting in the city was bad, and (3) you need to value all living life. Similar to the anime Symphogear, you have to fight someone else for there to be peace, and they may feel just as justified as you feel in your own, and in someone else’s eyes, you are the villain. 02 was the first time that they restrain their strength, and would only defeat digimon if they were a control spire. This is a perfect example of the route. I saw it going in Digimon adventure Tri as well as Last Kizuna. Honestly, what I really love is how different it is to POKÉMON‘s attempt to say that Pokémon aren’t being forcefully enslaved and forced to battle for the sake of sport that their masters want. I know that the Unova series tried to state that Pokémon were friends, and they wanted to battle. But here in this universe, Digimon actually talk as well, and they have the ability to fully express their emotions and opinions not like a pet but as a friend. I know that talking doesn’t solve everything, but adults, who would be the audience this is catering to, needs to learn that communication is key to everything, and we don’t read each other’s minds. We don’t truly know what the other person is thinking and it can lead to a lot of issues that can’t be solved with fists and fighting like it was in the very first Digimon adventure series. Things are a lot more complicated and messy, but those who wanted to see an action packed film are probably looking for that formula where it’s head on into battle!
Yes. Even though the 02 cast didn't get screentime, the movie was perfectly 02 thematically. The Beginning sends a very message to the 02 finale. The movie might not be action packed but is it really so bad for the 02 continuation to still be very 02?
Nah I prefer tri. More digivolution and action. Not a soap opera. I was extremely bored and underwhelmed with this movie. Don't even get me started with the ending! Total crap show!
You know, while I did end up liking the film, I think I can definitely get behind most of these points. The strongest aspect of the movie was Lui's story and I feel like the forced inclusion of the 02 cast really only dragged down both Lui and the rest of the cast. Honestly the more time they spent on the Davis and the others, the more I just wanted it to get back to Lui. If they maybe did a small Tri-style series (2-3 episodes) with the quality of Last Evolution Kizuna, I think it would've been able to give all the characters the needed screentime and battles they deserved. And while I agree with the idea that the 02 cast not needing to be the one to tell this story I think it's just to help bring home the ending message. Not needing to rely on a physical things to have a bond feels like it fits with the team whose bonds are symbolized by their jogress evolutions. Not my favorite digimon media, but idk I found it charming enough.
This movie really fails not just as a stand alone film, but there's not much to even grab onto nostalgia wise if youre just looking for fan service. It's probably the worst Digimon film that I've seen. It feels like an edgy self insert fan fiction brought to the big screen. I overall thought it was awful, with only a few moments between some of the 02 characters to make me feel anything positive. People seem to be praising it for the story, but there isn't really much of a story here. I think people see more mature content in a Digimon film and think that it's impressive in some way but just because the movie is dark does not mean that there is any substance.
"Just because the movie is dark does not mean that there is any substance." Agreed. Dark does not equal substance or high quality. This is a pretty run of the mill Digimon story -- one we've seen in multiple episodes of Ghost Game for example -- but because of its intensity it is being celebrated.
The reason I was able to enjoy the film was because of how similar it was to the plot of the Original digimon movie with Willis/Wallace. That was why the flashback didn't bother me too much. Rui's backstory was necessary to the plot of the movie (Just maybe not to the degree shown in the movie lol).
I left the film thinking like “ohh… that was fun” but I didn’t feel the fun. I think I was just happy to see the 02 kids back. Your video explained all the things I felt but couldn’t pinpoint. In Japan, they’ve released a new audio drama each week with tickets and the one last week starts with the 02 kids and their digimon in an izakaya ordering food chatting and TK is drunk and then they start talking about discussing story stuff. I feel like maybe the team thought “oh the 02 kids aren’t shown much together having fun” at a certain point after the story had been cemented so they made the audio dramas to maybe make up for the lack of interaction in the film.
Oh yes, thats exactly how I felt after watching the movie. I’m glad that I came to the theatre with no expectation cos otherwise, I would’ve been hella disappointed. I’m just glad where I’m from, they give out goodies when you buy the special ticket set.
(I doubt this counts as a spoiler, because Japan would have absolutely spoiled it if it were to happen before hand, like the Tri Megas, so...) Still haven't seen the movie myself. But i do know that Shakkoumon and Silphymon don't Digivolve to their own Mega Forms, which kinda saddens me. Would have been cool to see Valkryimon and ClavisAngemon along side Imperialdramon Fighter Mode. (No I will NOT accept Vikemon as a Shakkoumon Mega EVER!) Also, a minor thing... Why would TK and Kari need to DNA Digivolve at all? They have Seraphimon and Magnadramon now (and yes, Tri's canon. Meiko and Meicoomon were in Kizuna), it's like they're handicapping themselves to give Cody and Yolei's Digimon a buff, since Aquilamon and Ankylomon are useless on their own.
As someone who enjoyed the movie, a thing i did was make sure to not expect Kizuna level of how it was going to be since that's almost a setup for disappointment. The film certainly feels like a start of something bigger for the thing and will mosr likely have tons more impact on following stories.
This was the downfall of tri… why add unnecessary characters in addition to the original cast? Meiko and her cat was so fucking annoying and took time from our beloved og cast. And this new kid does the same shit for 02 cast like…. We can’t just have it focused on them? It’s not that hard..
Because they have to spend that time hammering in the message that they no longer have a bond with their Digimon and that they WILL be forcibly separated. Why would fans want to the characters they loved? Obviously they want to seem them ruined and NEW characters shoved in their faces
Understand where your disappointment is coming from, and it's quite valid. My personal opinion is that it's a good movie by itself for the story it has, and as for why it has less action etc, I find comfort in the fact that the producer kind of made it clear that this is just part of a bigger plot, and as the name hints, this is a 'beginning' for it~ The new character will come back as well from the interviews. We will most likely get into the bigger story about how digivices work and who the 'Grwat One' is! Had fun watching it!
Can't wait for your spoiler review. That movie gave me PTSD Post Tamera Stress Disorder. I remember certain scenes and thinking to myself 'If I saw this screenshot online I would never believe it was from a digimon movie'
I liked better second viewing because I knew what I was getting into. Because I mostly agreed that my first viewing somewhat disappointing. But I'm glad we got this movie because some fandoms don't get anything. Hopefully the future projects take the criticism and make a better product
It felt better than Last Kizuna and that's a lot to say because I had really low expectations for this film. Also better than Tri but that wasn't hard to accomplish tbh.
I didn't like this movie, I was pretty disappointed. Plus, these movies always find a way to make Angewomon ugly. Why the heck do they keep drawing her with Beelzebumon's chin?! 😔😭
I like this movie more than Kizuna tbh. It is a better execution of what Tri was trying to do, it is essentially a retelling of the original digidestined prior to Taichi and friends but limiting the numbers to only a kid instead of five kids. Tri could have been better if it wasn't trying too hard to be edgy and ruin all the characters.
i would like to say im a hard core fan and I completely agree left disappointed there are more things to Digimon than just the story i feel like there was no risk in this film or development to characters at all
I have mixed feelings, there could be a scene like the beginning of last kizuna where the gang dealed with a wild digimon and commented on how Taichi and Yamato were no longer in the picture. Or some flashes of the 01 guys like the 02 kids had on last kizuna. Also, it's funny how they nailed Lui voice actor, nothing works as well to portrait a kid with parents issues as the voice of Shink Ikari haha
I enjoyed it but i think because of the fan service we got....my gripes were Lui should have been older because if he is the first he should have been older than the first digidestined...if they were gonna get rid of digivices give them a purpose like they did with the crests...and Armadillomon needs justice with that voice they chose to give him
The movie was OK for what it was, but I strongly believe the 02 cast deserved a better spotlight. This was a fair critique! And I hope the movie served as a teaser for more 02 related stories, possibly a "tri" styled series or a reboot like Adventure 2020.
I enjoyed the movie and the critiques you said make sense. It seems to me that they were more invested and really wanted to tell the story of this new character Lui and his relationship with Ukkomon, but they had to incorporate nostalgic characters into it so that way Toei had enough of a reason to greenlight the project so they knew they could get butts in seats. Because to me I was more invested in Lui's story than the 02 cast being there. And it really felt you could have replaced them with any other Digimon characters. If we knew there were more Digimon movies set in this world after The Beginning maybe the fact about the lack of focus on the 02 cast and battles wouldn't have stung as much for fans. Edit: I would like to retract my statement on the claim any digimon cast would have worked here. I've seen some opinions that do a good job explaining why the 02 cast were the best option and I understand.
They better not do this with Digimon Tamers. If they do anything with Tamers it better be done by the original people who created Tamers or someone who understand Tamers to a T.
I have not seen the movie but I heard reviews and from what I hear it feels as if the writers don,t understand what makes digimon digimon, kizuna is still my least favorite digimon movie but this does not sound a lot better
Just seen the Fan Screening of it for my area. Good thing I read earlier that the OG team won't have much involvement in the story so I don't expect them to do much. Otherwise, I really like the story when it focuses on the new characters and the rather dark theme of this movie. Worth the rather expensive fee for this Fan Screening. 4 stars out of 5.
Wish they would give the Frontier team a movie. That was my fav season after Adventure 02. To see Takuya and the gang link up with Tai, Davis and the other well known digi destined would be amazing and something I’ve been wanting for so long
Dude they had at least one movie already: Dejimon Furontia: Kodai Dejimon Fukkatsu!! Now the series that does need a movie is Digimon Savers. They're the only classic team (Xross Wars/Young Hunters Who Leapt Through Time doesn't count as a classic series, it's part of the new (inferior) generation) who never got their own film. Hell, Tamers had TWO movies and even Frontier got one.
It’s like these movies are designed to just to try and shove a new character in our faces while shitting all over the main characters that they know people want to see
One more comment; I think what this all goes to show is just how shallow the 02 cast truly was compared to the original children. If the original 02 cast, the only truly interesting characters were Ken and Takeru. And Takeru was mostly because he was one of the original 7. Hikari was always just a MacGuffin too; she wasn't really an interesting character because she was way too pure. Daisuke, Iori, Miyako (Yolei), were more or less characters whose traits were highly derivative of the original 7. This was actually a problem with 02 even inventing them as characters when the series could have simply continued using Taichi and his friends. Something you ought to look up here is when Takeru confronts Ken and gets into a fist-fight with him. It's a point that really showed how Takeru had the tendency to give into his darker tendencies when provoked. Daisuke never had that kind of moment. Daisuke never had a "SkullGreymon moment" where he got too comfortable with his power and was tempted to abuse it.
I mostly agree with the exception of Daisuke. While I think he seems a somewhat bland character initially, he bounces off Ken really well in the second half of the series, and both Ken and Daisuke benefit from their shared dynamic. Taking the entire series into account + Dioboromon strikes back, I really like Daisuke, but he is reliant on his chemistry with Ken to be effective and isn't very interesting by himself. Likewise, I think post-Digimon Emporer Ken without Daisuke wouldn't be quite so compelling as there wouldn't be another character that would fill the role of enticing him out of shell. I don't think it's neccessary for Daisuke to have a Skullgreymon moment, I think it would be a mistake to make him that much of a Tai clone. I like that his purpose in the series is his naivety and simple but good-hearted nature. Rather than have moments of darkness himself, his role in the story to me seemed to be to help others out of their dark struggles. As the Digimon Emporer, Ken probably wronged Daisuke more than anyone considering that episode he put Daisuke in the posistion to choose which of his friends he wanted to live or get eaten, but Daisuke was the first to forgive him and want him on the team, without any kind of grudge, which was important for Ken's redemption arc. Takeru fits the fist-fight/darker tendency stuff better, he fills that niche, I don't think it would add much for two characters to be like that. By contrast, Hikari, Miyako and Lori really don't have a whole lot going for them. I feel the series tries to create the odd bit of character conflict for them, but none hit home for me. I rewatched 02 recently and I almost laughed in that episode at the end where myotismon traps them in that illusory dimension, most of the characters are having some profound fantasy, like Takeru being with a complete family again, or Lori with his father in the digital world (his best moment probably) and then there was Miyako eating cake. I know it was meant to be something about how she just didn't want to be sharing everything with her sibilings all the time, but the way it was presented really did make her come across as so dull that in this moment her most grand wish was just to eat cake by herself lol. Ultimately, these 3 characters don't really impact the plot much, you could switch out any of them and put in a random stand in and nothing much would change.
Digimon Adventure 02: The Beginning is a good movie, it just isn't a good DIGIMON movie. There's literally no fights in this movie. A digimon movie, with no fights, that's just lame. The original digidestined are shoved in a corner in favor of ANOTHER new digidestined. You could replace digimon in this movie with ghosts, spirits, yokai, it wouldn't make any difference. This is a movie that has nothing to do with digimon, and is even proud to be so.
I agree. I liked it overall but this does seem like a “one of many more” kinda movie not a final film like Kizuna was. I loved seeing the 02 characters get more of a focus but I honestly would’ve preferred no movie if more don’t come from this.
Why do they feel like they need to keep reinventing the wheel by adding so much unneeded lore and backstory to Digimon? Half of what made Adventure so much fun was the mystery of the weird other world. Now we have to have FNAF level lore along with introducing new boring characters that take away from the main cast. It's so frustrating.
I just saw the movie in the cinemas, and im also re-watching 02 and im almost done. I was very torn. I had no expectations and knew nothing about it, but was still very excited to see a digimon movie in cinemas. Rui's story was very surprising, but really well done. I feel like Cody wasnt even present in the movie, they focused on Davis a lot which was fine, but i think with some small touches they could've had the characters really show their personalities and give them justice, in a subtle way. I was almost expecting some new digivolution, or something different based off Kizuna and Tri. I actually really liked the ending, but agree with your point that regardless of who it is, digimon fans want to see some kind of battling. Like an actual struggle. None of the digimon struggled at all, and then they helped Rui and it was over. Ive seen theories that bandai will use this movie and others to make a follow up, which really excites me as it would tie them all together and give them the platform to show character development and stuff, but i also know that they constantly mistreat their Digimon IP, so im not holding my breath. Overall good movie, but i left feeling a little... Lacking. Who is the great one? Were Kari and TK together (shown in the beginning)? Why was Ukkomon so randomly powerful that it can great like a million digi eggs, but also just dies immediately?
I got my gf into digimon in preparation for this film and we watched Kizuna the night before and she was so disappointed with the film. She said it was whiplash going from Kizuna to this film.
Definitely needed more action and wish the armor evolutions made an appearance. 02 cast definitely deserved a better movie , but the overall message was solid. They’re best friends no matter what even without a tech that originally brought them together.
In the end I liked the ending. I thought I'd be disappointed but it really left everything in the universe of Adventure quite open to elaborate on different tamers if they want 😛It quite doesn't compare to Kizuna and its relationship with it is very sketchy. For newcomers, the movie is a bit like on the zetsubou side too. I didn't like Ken's adult design though, but that's just my opinion. Everything else was cool, but maybe the studios should stop being so overboard with animating tentacles 😅Well, at least if they are to animate the D-Reaper, its cables would look awesome with all the experience they got doing this movie 🤭🦑 Also, I don't like how they shoehorned Ukkomon's backstory into the stablished lore. We'll still will never know how many destructions of the Digital World there were since its inception and how that "feudal Japan" Ancient Digital World looked like. Guess the Sovereigns will remain more useful in Tamers than they did on the concept of the Ancient times spoken along Adventure and 02 (and barely on Frontiers, where again they tried to rewrite the concept of the Ancient Times with the 10 Warriors and the age of peace and destruction brought by the descent of Lucemon).
I think what's in the movie is good. But it simply doesn't have enough. Even though it was roughly an hour and a half, it almost feels like a bonus movie on a DVD release. I think it needed a bit of an overhaul. Surely there must be a sequel right? I mean otherwise the 02 team basically got shafted for a movie where basically nothing but exposition happens. Also I don't where else to mention this but they should do a theatrical rerelease of Digimon The Movie before the Blu-Ray release.
I did really enjoy the movie, I've always loved the more mature themes in Digimon especially with the human characters. This movie definitely takes it to 11 with some parts, definitely feeling like ghost game with the body horror moment. The no real battles doesn't bug me at all but I definitely do agree with you that this didn't have to be an exclusive 02 movie but I do feel that it does best in the adventure canon, being the most fleshed out world we've seen. I would definitely like to see Digimon do more one off stories like this focusing on mostly one character in their own canon, possibly like the X evolution movie.
I could not disagree more about the status of this film as one of the worse. As others have said, it sticks the character writing perfectly, as well as the interactions. As for a less combat focused story, i love that they went this way, as it is a story type that adventure as a whole lacks imho
Yeah, i was let down too. Between the horrendous atrocity of a series called Ghost Game, and this which was so painfully average... Yikes. At least the Discotek Digimon movie redubs could make a good pallette cleanser...
Hm, I see, it’s unfortunate that this Movie fell short for you, perhaps this might be a sign that they should probably give the Adventure Cast break for awhile, if not completely retire them, ‘cause it seems like they have not been to recapture that Magic so far or what do you think? Also, this makes me wonder, how would’ve you done this Movie?
They missed the opportunity to evolve Silphymon and Shakkoumon into Mega forms (and yet Valkyrimon and Slash Angemon were there, there was no need to even create new ones). Btw i like the movie, i find it bold, Lui is a interesting character and the dark moments with him were really good, i was just hoping that some things would be explored better and that there would be more action (the animations are awesome btw), it felt just a bit rushed, there wasn't a real climax. Anyway i give this movie a 7 out of 10, is not at the level of Kizuna but is not a bad movie.
it's a nice watch yes but compared to Kizuna it's not close, it's like comparing a 3 star Michelin with Mcdonalds. It's not bad, taste good, but it's not rly quality. I am disappointed by many things but it's at least not offensively bad (something unfortunately has become the new standard after the shit stain that's Xros wars and Ghost game and Adventure 2020)
I just watched the movie, I enjoyed the movie but I think Kizuna was a better movie. It hard much more focus mainly due to having only 2 mains instead of 7 like New Beginning did. Comparing it to Tri (new character + the whole team is the focus(yes 2 member do star in a movie but 6 movies best way to handle that) and a new digimon) New Beginning did so much better then Tri did in everyway. The character was explained better and his digimon was as well and we got to know the digimon. Spoilers ahead: My issues is like u said the evolutions Paildramon should have had some kind of battle be it a digimon or even idk the army protecting the egg we see them twice and never again. Angewomon 2nd appearance as well why felt it was only there so they can show the evolution very wasted. The movie did lack something, till the last act i felt the flashback scenes could have been cut short at least a bit like from meeting Ukkomon we go to school and 2 whole birthdays before the conflict it took to long least to me. Also because of this we didn't get something with Paildramon minus him being transportation. I don't mind the focus on new kid, the movie was trying something new and the message of violence isn't the answer it's why Lui was hurt and it's to show they don't need to fight to have a bond just being together is enough but using Paildramon like that was really bad. I'll give the movie a 7.5/10 (Kizuna would be an 8-8.5/10) the flaws while don't ruin the movie do hold it back. To me tho Ghost Game felt worst as it kept trying to build up to something and we got what felt like a part of it, same with adventure 2020 too so much build up low result(tho the final battle with Omegamon was cool)
I pretty much have the same opinion... It was way to backstory heavy, like more of half of the movie was just the new guy showing his fucked up past. Don't get me wrong, his story was solid but maaaan... C'mon i'm in a theater to see cool Digimon, do cool stuff I'm also so sick of the "Hey, a new Digi-Destined having a cute Digi-Partner turning evil and we have to kill it =/ Btw, i was so hoping we would finally see the other 2 DNA-Digimon reach the mega level... Welp, i guess not =( Music and animation was top! It's such a shame this turned out to be kinda like a filler but sold as a movie...
The novel parts of the movie to me that were out of the ordinary were really well done, like the creepy and suspenseful scenes especially in the backstory, the lack of action scenes and the slew of transformation scenes felt weird and disjointed tho, and the story the whole thing felt pretty anti-climactic It felt like they kept hinting at combat stuff but just didn't commit to either having it or not It also kinda felt like they just wanted to tell an original digimon story but also wanted to have an 02 send off movie and they just kinda stitched the two together I also don't like how it further messed up the canon but that's beside the point
That actually really makes me upset. I was planning on seeing this movie but I just couldn't find the free time and I ended up missing the earrings but given what you said about it my heart honestly breaks
Not related to the video at all, but I just realized that you went to the theater playing it in my town! I wasn't able to go see it in theaters, but i find it neat that such an important digimon youtuber saw it somewhere I recognize!
So this movie runs into the same problem as the Digimon tri Series that I said before. Just like so we're just going to pretend like the adventure 02 kids don't exist and they've been doing that for a long time marketing the adventure 01 kids and completely forgetting about the adventure 02 kids and I just think that's so disrespectful. Because the adventure 02 kids are part of the adventure 01 kids You know what I'm saying and to leave them out on purpose just felt so dirty and I'm tired of everybody disrespecting the O2 kids and the show too. And love it 02, but to pretend as if it wasn't something important to the Digimon world it's dumb. That's why I didn't really care for tri I didn't really care for Last Kizuka. Because it just keeps forgetting about the O2 kids yes the 02 kids had a little bit more to do and the last evolution movie but still like difficult to tell the movie adventure about the O2 kids tell one him they had more to do in those early Digimon movies that they do in this movie and in the sequential series Tri It seems like the Digimon team hates the O2 kids really and that sucks.
It's going to have more sequel movies coming in the future, probably up until 2027, the year of the Adventure 02 epilogue. So, I guess, there'll be at least two or more movies to go. Let's hope that they'll do better.
It absolutely doesn't make any god damn sense Lui being the first digidestined because what about the original digidestined group before Tai's group if he is the original digidestand then he should of be older then Maki and Daigo.
I can see the movie didn't help the lore at all, but I'm still happy to see more digimon 😊 Even if it's more complicated and didn't give a proper solution, I still love digimon I guess we have to wait for the next movie of digimon 😔😭 because the finale episode of adventure 02 is still canon and I really want to know how the digimon reunited with all digidestine
I'll keep it spoiler free here, but that ending left me questioning how does this exist as a direct sequel to Last Evolution. Bringing Paildramon to Lyft the kids to the egg was so laughably questionable that the 02 kids even had to question it. The answer was "Well the police aren't going to like us doing this," but why exactly? Izzy is the go to Digimon guy in this world, and they know him personally, why not just have the kids interact with the 01 cast (like Last Evolution did to the 02 cast) to resolve this? Because only the 02 cast could listen to the darkest exposition dump ever made ending with providing a taxi service so that he can talk it out? But thanks for the suggestion on Digimon Survive. Hopefully the Winter sale comes through for me.
Good to hear from you! I don’t know if you own a Switch but Survive is half off right now I believe! Not sure if that sale is on PC as well or just Nintendo.
That's been an issue with all these projects, If Meiko wasn't briefly in and mentioned in Kizuna, there's no evidence that Tri ever happened. Same here, if Homeostasis wasn't randomly mentioned by name, there's nothing to indicate that Tri even happened, and less to indicate that Kizuna happened.
@@thekey0123 Yeah, but they didn't name it until Tri, they reference it had existed before with it possessing Kari back in Adventure but Tri's when the Adventure cast was given a name to call it.
Definitely enjoyed the movie but really was hoping for more action or evolutions. Maybe a new evo special for the movie. I do love that the whole team got the remade evo sequences. That was the highlight for me.
Honestly I agree with everything you said in this video. I felt the same way after I watched the movie. Just like you said I watch digimon for the story (plot) battles and digivolutions. Even tho I love a good dark theme adult story in digimon this movie kinda dropped the ball. Where this movie gave us way too much story with basically no real battle scenes, new villain(s), or new digivolutions. This movie honestly felt like it could have been a mini episode arc from digimon 02 then a movie. It does pain me to say this but as a OG Digimon fan (90s), I was completely underwhelmed by this movie especially since I waited until June when it was released to DVD to finally watch. Between Tri, last evolution, and the beginning, this was the worst one. My favorite are the Tri movies, I know they get a lot of criticism for many reasons but the the battles were their the digivolutions were definitely there, I enjoyed the story and how each digidestined got their own chance to shine in each of the movies unlike in last evolution which the focus was solely focused on Tai & Matt. Lastly I hope you’re right about there being one last movie tying tri last evolution and the beginning together coming in 2027 or hopefully earlier to show us what lead up to the 02 ending.
There's barley any action in a DIGIMON film? Then what even is the fucking point in making a Digimon film? That's like making Dragon Ball Z or One Piece film without fighting.
It was definitely a disappointment for sure, SO much happened……but at the same time absolutely Nothing does. I enjoyed seeing the 02 kids but was hoping that after All this time they would have gotten some new digivolutions to show their progress
I feel the same as you for the most part. I was disappointed, I just wish they took out the 02 cast or they showed up at the end of the film to help with the finale. This overall could have just been a fun Digimon off shoot movie with characters no one knew and it would have been better for me.
I have just watched the very first seconds of your review, and honestly I am at least grateful that you try to be more "neutral", by going beyond "oh it is the comeback of 02". Like we get it, it is cool. But that doesn't mean it has to be necessarly good or present something that oozes any quality at all. Especially when we are talking about a sequel of the sequel of the sequel of the sequel, that you cannot take into consideration without keeping an eye at previous Digimon Adventure releases. I am afraid Digimon anime peaked at Appmon, that's how I feel personally. Hopefully I am proven wrong moving forward...
it honestly felt like the middle of a movie. I enjoyed it for what it was but it felt incomplete. I almost want to add 40 minutes to the film twenty on each side of it. 20 at the start for check ins with the characters and some slice of life. 20 on the back end to see some action and maybe end it with Yolei proposing to ken.
My biggest issue with this movie was the few screentime of Armadillomon. I wish he had a bigger screentime. But Hawkmon was really good in this movie! 😂
The thing I've never understood about Lui is that he can't be the first Digidestined because he's clearly the same age as the other kids. Am I supposed to believe he's older than Maki and Mr. Nishijima? It just doesn't work. Plus, how many brand new Digidestined with partners that go evil do we even need in these Adventure movies? It's such a depressing concept for a story
I was dissapointed aswell but not becaus of lack of fights or anything like that. The story was just...not good. Why? Because its full of plotholes with what we see in Ruis story. Many things dont make sense. Yes his story is very dark and its something that I liked. But aside from that and the points you mentioned the movie just baffled me
I was bored to be honest. I left not only disappointed but with more questions than answers. I was happy to see my theater was pack, well not the bottom seats. I truly hope they make a sequel but with more action and NEW digivolutions.
The thing is, it's not a bad movie by any means, the main characters end up being side characters but there quite literally is no story or suspense. There was no character developments. Last Kizuna was done really well, because they had a compelling story, action, and it connected with the audience. I agree with Imperialdramon and the other digimon are used a transportation service and not as partners meant to move the story forward. The ending was basically, "I guess we need to talk." Also, the fact that they made Ukkomon the reason Digi-destined exist, doesn't sit right with me... The fact that the "chosen ones" end up being a birthday gift for some abused kid in Tokyo is horrid. Also, NO ARMOR DIGIVOLUTIONS in the first DIGIMON ADVENTURE 02 WE'VE GOTTEN IN YEAAARSSS is bizarre decision.
Spoilers in my comment below Digimon needs to get over the idea that these movies need to introduce a new character with a tragic backstory. Not only did they already tell that story effectively with Willis, but these are now nostalgia movies; we want new stories with the characters we know and love. I could maybe recommend this movie if your favourite Digimon character is Lui. Which, before this movie, is obviously no one. And so much of that backstory is just tragedy porn. I was laughing at how over-the-top it was when Lui, out in the cold, starts talking about how it's his birthday, because of _course_ it is. And the gore just... added nothing. That's not what the story is or needed to be. Going back to Willis, though, it's telling that the biggest positive reaction my screening had was with his tiny cameo, calling back to when they got all this right, and showing how little the film had for fans of the main cast. And the title and themes of the film only reinforced that, calling on the line "Go back to the beginning" serving as a constant reminder of that film. I remember when this film was announced, we got the one artwork of a young Lui, which at the time I thought was a young Davis, and my head started turning on what I thought the film might be. Foolishly, I thought it might follow up on Kizuna, with the loss of partners; following the trend of Davis's earnest purity when MaloMyotismon couldn't tempt him, I thought perhaps he would be the last of the 12 to have his partner, but that throughout the film he would be able to reunite the others: a story fully about the bonds between partners, a new beginning for them all as adults. Tai & Izzy's cameos were nice, although it's telling how they're clearly the only two of the OG team that really mattered, but with their work on Digimon matters, you'd think they could get clearance for this group to conduct Digimon business without threat of arrest at every corner. And I have to assume the only reason TK & Kari are with this group now is because all six of the others have lost their partners by now? Because they certainly had no interest in being with this team in the previous films. Again, on the point of Tai & Izzy carrying out work regarding Digimon, and the Digidestined around the world that this film seems just about as interested in as the main cast; on the way home, my wife and I brainstormed several ideas we'd have been more interested in seeing, starting with a big follow-up on the international Digidestined, and all these new partners. Focus on what sets this group apart, and have them travelling around the world to coordinate with these partners, help new Digidestined understand and potentially keep the peace - because there's an easy way to introduce conflict and battles without a new Big Bad, are we really to believe that with 60,000 Digimon around the world there aren't disputes breaking out? People misusing their partners? But you could, of course, go back to the many major unresolved plot points and mysteries from 02, in particular Dragomon and the Dark Ocean, as well as the Daemon Corps. Maybe they rise up to invade other worlds? Something has disturbed them in some way? You can bring up the Wish world - which they really could have used here to help explain Ukkomon - and that could even grant the power to fight back. You could draw on the power of that world to let Davis, Cody, Yolei, and Ken reach ultimate and Mega without DNA digivolving. Tri let all the originals go Mega, and it really highlights how messed up it is that these kids can't go beyond champion alone, especially bad when TK and Kari were with the others, leaving Yolei and Cody stuck at Aquillamon and Ankylomon. No other series leaves the main characters unable to progress beyond champion. Beginning even makes a point of showing that Kari doesn't need Yolei to reach ultimate, and they needed a real contrivance to get Silphymon in this film at all. Because whilst maybe we don't need flashy new forms just because (although the card game would certainly appreciate it, I'm shocked we didn't get more for its sake), these kids have really been left in the lurch. And it makes it the only Adventure story to _not_ give us an exciting new form for the finale. I really expected the new version of Magnamon X to end up appearing, with its debut in the card game. There are lots of small touches to this film that I appreciate, but the big picture and most of the small touches just reek of not appreciating what stories make sense to tell here, and what fans want to see from their old favourites. And finally, seriously, give Armadillomon a better voice, that's just a mess.
Finally got to see this movie...dude this movie is basically M3GAN!! 😂 Did the writers even WATCH the show back when it was on?? All they needed to do, was go to Digital World, and kick someone's ass. Done! Thats NOT hard to write. Thats ALL we wanted to see one last time. Instead, we got over an hour of backstory for a random kid with a wish-granting digimon. No digimon fighting until the last 5 minutes. And all we got were the DNA evolutions, not the armor ones which we all loved 100x more. Ukkomon is there to make Lui happy, but in horrible ways, like M3gan 😅
THEY FOUND US?! I'D BE AMAZED IF THEY HADN'T FOUND US SHATTER! Instantly change to a new location with everyone in one place suggesting they were able to shack the ambiguous "They" instantly Then do it twice.
SPOILER ALERT ⚠️⚠️⚠️ They could've made the plot more interesting by adding civil war between digi destined because there'll be some who didn't want to lose their bond despite sacrificing the world for it.
You hit on a lot of issues I had with the movie myself. My favorite part of the movie was probably when the digimon digivolved together and that was probably it. I liked Angewoman's digivolution. But I felt like it was forced in just for show. (Or so she wasn't left out.) She got knocked out way too easily for a Perfect/Ultimate level. Only to tag with Aquilamon to go back to the same level. Definitely didn't make me want to re watch it again. I was looking forward to this for a very long time too.
I'll probably still end up watching the movie probably when it comes to streaming service but I have to say thank you so much for your review it's exactly what I look for in a review. I just got done with a Beetlejuice 2 review that was nothing but a hate letter to the movie based on the person's personal biased opinion. Your review was just the right mix of facts and personal insights, you even said that this was your take on it and not to let it influence how other fans like myself go into it assuming we'll feel the same way. Tho i have to agree whats the point of a digimon movie with little to no digivolution and no battles except one. Ive subscribed and look forward to your future content, while going thru and watching what ive missed, thank you again for an excellent review
Man you were completely right about this movie! No armor evolutions, no new evolutions, no actual battles and all the focus was on Lui. Nothing was learned new about the 02 cast. This is super disappointing. Last Evolution Kizuna was the best Digimon movie. It combined everything we love and then some. I liked Menowa personally the best as new movie character. But ya super disappointing moive. Could've talked about Dragomon and the dark ocean or the evil Imperialdramon from Tri.
Thanks y'all! For an alternate perspective, check out Xanaxdu's more positive review! th-cam.com/video/IBpO4IOYpyM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=efSWO9xC0YYaaVd2
Miss the Armor Digivolutions so much. Kinda wish the 02 Digidestined fought against the loose end antagonists like Dragomon and Daemon from the Dark Ocean and Dark Gennai.
Man I thought that would have been the movie. They know we want this storyline. The movie was good though
Omg so I looked at 02 ep 13 again. And I realized okomon looks just like the master dude from the dark ocean. So that plot hole, in my head, HAS BEEN FIXED AFTER LIKE 10 YEARS FOR ME🥳
@@dododo8874dragomon was the dark master from the ocean. The creepy digimon from the movie did say they were connected to a powerful entity tho so that's a possibility. They'll have to do another movie for us to know.
Where can we watch this on online ?
I miss so much and I love digimon but I needed so much more
Some people said this movie was "beyond expectation", yet some said it was "bit disappointment", guess we really have to see it for ourselves to judge it.
I liked it and there were one certain scene where it could’ve traumatized me if I was any younger. As a 20 year old, it just disturbs me and I imagine that scary scene sometimes. I’m getting over it
Naw Digiknow’s comments were spot on! Plus I’m seeing more bad reviews than good. You should definitely see for yourself but prepare yourself for a “deep” story about a new character with no fighting lol
If you watch digimon foe the reason it's supposed to exist: the fights, then you won't enjoy it
@aldendomino3523 What a bold assumption (and not correct). I never watched Digimon for the fights, it's always been about the plot. Fights were just a pleasant addition.
For me some parts were disappointing. It was definitely a well-made movie…but once again it has left more questions for me. But at least now I have a small head canon about who the dark master from 02 ep 13 (hikari’s first time in the dark world.) so I guess one plot hole from many years ago is fixed. But this movie really didn’t focus on many of the 02 kids. Takeru had 3 noticeable lines and 2 were puns while the last one was a genuine concern that daisuke pushed aside with no care.
One thing i think thats been missing from the adventure movies is a well written digimon villain like every villiain we've gotten in adventure movies since tri are either human/humanoid or digimon without any personality. The writers need to understand what made the og series so good are some of the digimon villian themselves like the banter between arukedimon & mummymon or the threatening aura of Myotismon and The dark masters.
Daemon or Dagomon could have filled that role... 🤷♂️
Why do you all get the pizza while I only get the cruuuuuust
I think Diaboromon worked well, because it was the first glitched/hacked/outofcontrol digimon villain and didn´t need personality or an evil plan because of that narrative. Then they did this over and over again thinking that is what makes a good villain for a digimon movie, but failed to see that this formula has its limits.
I agree, though ironically i think the best villian was Ken/the Digimon Emporer, the first human villian, and by far the best. However, the reason Ken worked was because he was in a series where he could be built up and established as part of a main cast. Either a more simple villian in terms of motive, i.e. just evil, like Diaboromon for example, or a villian that we already know from the main series, would work better for a movie, because then they don't need to dedicate a tonne of time to develop them, and we can focus on the rest of the cast. In my opinion, it is a mistake that they keep on dedicating so much screentime to building up new villians for these anniversary projects, when people are seeing them specifically because they want to see the old characters. Especially as in the case of 02 we have like 3 (or even 4?) unresolved villians they could have further developed, it's not like they even had to think of a new antagonist.
Dagomon
Daemon
Milleniumon (don't like that he's an obscure wonderswan game exclusive when he literally initiates the entire 02 plot by producing the dark spores. Also Ken creating chimeramon, which is in milleniumon's line, felt like a very wasted opportunity to make him the final boss)
And Ken. Yeah, contrary to most people's opinion seemingly, I actually don't consider Ken a fully resolved antagonist. I would have if they didn't throw a spanner in what was already a great character arc by saying the spore influenced his behaviour, but as they did, I now have to consider that he's still got it inside him. The end of 02 basically being like, don't worry! As long as you're positive, you'll never turn to the dark side again, everyone lives happily ever after, feels extremely naive to me. Obviously over the course of Ken's life he will experience grief, heartache, negativity, and terrible things happening to him. No one can go through life perpetually positive and having a great time. So what will happen to him then? As a young adult is he ever tripped up by the minefield of adult worries and tragedies? I think this would be interesting to explore, and the writers leaving the spore inside him does leave a very open door in my opinion for him to reprise an antagonistic or semi-antagonsitic role.
All 4 of those villians seem linked in either motive or connection to the dark spores, a movie tying up these loose ends would have been really great.
I agree with you. At the end I just found myself thinking "that's it?"
I really enjoyed this movie, but I think your critiques are honest and fair. I agree that I wish we had spent more time with the 02 kids and looking into their lives.
This Lui story would be great if they decided to make a Digimon Anthology series based on the 01/02 universe. Where every episode focuses on a new digi-destined. I hate how they went about this film and I hope we get another opportunity to see the 02 cast in a story that focuses on them.
Gotta be honest, I want them to stop making Adventure movies. They can't come up with a plot for these movies that isn't "new chosen child thats been around the whole time that the kids have to help"
They add new lore that contradicts the previously established material. The retcon here was not needed.
Im not the biggest 02 fan, but I cant see how fans of the cast will get much out of this movie.
needed wayyyy more of the 02 kids.
The director of adventure and 02, Hiroyuki kakudo, last week he posted a blog of his version of the adventure timeline between the end of 02 and the epilogue incase you are interested in it .
He was involved during the early production of Kizuna but ended up leaving the proyect because the script of the director contradicted his vision about the world completely. withthewill uploaded the full article translated. Kakudo was involved in Digimon Survive according to Habu Kazumasa, and some parts of his article even reminded me to certain parts of survive, it'd be interesting to know your opinion about that "what if" post 02 world according to the original director, he even talked about how certain character reached their careers in the epilogue and they kinda made a lot of sense.
This part of his lore was really interesting, the humans according to him were getting digimon around the world increasing the number by two each year. 1 in 1996, 2 in 1997, 4 in 1998, 8 in 1999, 64 in 2002, etc etc, reaching the point in 2027 where every person in the world have a digimon. In his lore neither a wish or rui were never necessary
That is super interesting but one thing with original lore and that vision is: how about the first digidestined? Weren't they a group of 5 and thus 5 digimon partners? Or was there one from earlier year that attached to the next year's group or something?
Bit of spoilers: I like how both hurricane touchdown and this dealt with going back to the beginning 😆
This movie is LITERALLY called "The Beginning". So not much of a spolier in my opinion.....
What I hate is that all the movies do basically the same thing "here's a new kid, let's process their trauma" but this time they didn't really fight
when they went to the past i was expecting some cool avengers endgame type shenanigans. but nope they just went straight back. in fact they didn't even need to go to the past, it could have just been part of lui's long ass backstory dump. it literally is just there to get lui to talk about his past. What a wasted opportunity.
Sorry to hear the movie disappointed you man. I personally thought it was a really good and well done mature story, and I feel like a lot of people misunderstood what they were trying to do here. It's clearly a much smaller and more personal story that deals with some serious topics. Abuse, misunderstandings, how relationships are a two way street and can't be one sided. I can see why people are upset with no new forms and the lack of battles and action but it also sort of confuses me because for a while now I was under the impression that it was understood that the Adventure characters were older now and were dealing with more "grown up" type stuff. I can't help but feel like a lot of the fans who say they grew up with the original series didn't actually grow up and just want new forms to buy toys of. It might be better off if they start to make these big movies or events take place in the Digital World for a better excuse to have new forms and battles.
I really thought the ending in particular was quite good, what they did with the Digivices and the context of the bond between Digimon and their tamers was profound and the very real message of "you don't need and shouldn't rely on technology in order to have a real bond and connection with your loved ones" was fantastic and very important especially today. I totally agreed with it wholeheartedly.
In regards to the director saying this could only be made with the 02 cast, I get what he meant by that. It's just like you said, this cast is different from the 01 cast as having a Digimon for them is more like an every day casual thing instead of some mystical or special event. And more Digidestined are being discovered every day, it's becoming a pretty standard and common occurrence. So with how their Digimon are really just their best pals, that happen to be monsters, they're all treated like legitimate people and family. And the main themes and ending of the film perfectly align with that.
Anyway man, great video as always. Appreciate your thoughts and hope you're doing well.
10/10 comment, thank you for chiming in and respectfully disagreeing with me! Cheers
not gonna lie it was decent but it felt like it should’ve been Tri. it should’ve been a special. the movie was interesting but yeah felt like it should’ve been a special instead. i didn’t mind the lack of fights but eh. should’ve involved the dark ocean to finish up Karis 02 story.
All of that could have happened in 4 ovas and nobody would complain
@@leonardofarias8843hell toei could've at least go a la dragón Ball super style and come up with an 02 series or ovas taking place after the events of the beginning
There a picture on the Internet of the Adventure timeline and the beginning takes place in 2012 while the end of 02 is in 2027, so there's a 15 year gap where Toei can come up with something good for adventure 02 with more stories, well written villains, and new digievolutions while having both silphymon's mega (Valkyriemon) and shakkoumon's mega (SlashAngemon) appear for the 1st time
No, sorry, no matter how much you wanna spin it, another "tragic OC of the week" plot has gotten tiresome and dull.
Completely agree. I felt disappointed in how the 02 cast got thrown aside for this story. The story is good on its own. If they had advertised this as a digimon project and not an 02 movie I think I would have been happy with what we got. But instead it was advertised as a continuation with the 02 kids. Honestly I don't even think they were really needed, this could have been released as a TH-cam series with just rou working things out on his own.
🎯🎯🎯 I completely agree with this!
I completely agree. This story was more about Lui, than the digidestined. And the whole idea that the reason they have their Digimon was because of a wish he made was absolutely ridiculous. I’ve watched every season of Digimon with the exception of fusion. I know what happened and what didn’t happen. And to not only mess with the Digimon lore. But to make the main digidestined side and supporting characters, with an extreme lack of combat was just wrong. Last Kizuna was way better.
I think what the director morseo meant when he said that this film could only be told with the 02 cast was less of a functional reason of requiring that Adventure canon and 02 cast to play a pivotal role that no one else could and more that they had more of an active interest in the 02 cast as characters and wanted to use them more than any other team. Because of all the Adventure material we've gotten since Tri, the 02 cast feels on point in how they're written. Davis and Ken's chemistry, Cody's tendency to go against the grain for the sake of it, Kari judging people based solely on her own perspective, and even the tendency of the 02 cast to divide amongst themselves when things get difficult and argue to take no action rather than continue forward down the immediate pass (like when they got wrecked by Kimeramon the first time, or during the Daemon Corps invasion, or at the end in the fantasy world which is how Myotismon trapped them to begin with). Its not all positive, but that's the characters and it's what drew me in here, because up to this point it felt more so like we had loose simulations of the Adventure cast in the previous films just similar enough to their previous selves to serve the story. Kari in the previous films had mostly been a prop for Tai and TK was even less than that. They kind of needed the 02 cast to be much of anything at this point. I think Gatomon has more lines in this movie than in the last 7 combined. And I'd argue that Davis is the key to solving the whole plot, with his ability to uncomplicated things and push forward with pure confidence that no other character in the franchise really has (and that solved all the previous conflicts I listed above). And while I get your criticisms and I think many are valid, there's no way you can convince me that this is worse than the latter Tri films, which just seemed to exist to pump out new forms and what Dark Gennai was trying to accomplish was never really elborated on so that plot went no where. It's the opposite problem, but I'd rather have this that forms and action for their own sake while pretending it's serious. A middle ground would be ideal, but picking between the two I pick this.
Your analysis is great and pulls the others some parts that I had totally forgot about until I watched the Toei animation Digimon adventure 02 episodes they posted on their TH-cam channel. What I believe was happening was they needed to continue with the adventure Tri series where Tai, and Matt, but mostly Tai didn’t want to fight as he knew that (1) fighting, doesn’t solve all problems, (2)fighting in the city was bad, and (3) you need to value all living life. Similar to the anime Symphogear, you have to fight someone else for there to be peace, and they may feel just as justified as you feel in your own, and in someone else’s eyes, you are the villain. 02 was the first time that they restrain their strength, and would only defeat digimon if they were a control spire. This is a perfect example of the route. I saw it going in Digimon adventure Tri as well as Last Kizuna.
Honestly, what I really love is how different it is to POKÉMON‘s attempt to say that Pokémon aren’t being forcefully enslaved and forced to battle for the sake of sport that their masters want. I know that the Unova series tried to state that Pokémon were friends, and they wanted to battle. But here in this universe, Digimon actually talk as well, and they have the ability to fully express their emotions and opinions not like a pet but as a friend. I know that talking doesn’t solve everything, but adults, who would be the audience this is catering to, needs to learn that communication is key to everything, and we don’t read each other’s minds. We don’t truly know what the other person is thinking and it can lead to a lot of issues that can’t be solved with fists and fighting like it was in the very first Digimon adventure series. Things are a lot more complicated and messy, but those who wanted to see an action packed film are probably looking for that formula where it’s head on into battle!
I couldn't agree more with that. (What both of you wrote.)
Yes. Even though the 02 cast didn't get screentime, the movie was perfectly 02 thematically. The Beginning sends a very message to the 02 finale. The movie might not be action packed but is it really so bad for the 02 continuation to still be very 02?
You know what, you make it sound like it's worth watching. Thanks guys, I'm not gonna pass up on this one. Still need to watch Kizuna though
Nah I prefer tri. More digivolution and action. Not a soap opera. I was extremely bored and underwhelmed with this movie. Don't even get me started with the ending! Total crap show!
You know, while I did end up liking the film, I think I can definitely get behind most of these points. The strongest aspect of the movie was Lui's story and I feel like the forced inclusion of the 02 cast really only dragged down both Lui and the rest of the cast. Honestly the more time they spent on the Davis and the others, the more I just wanted it to get back to Lui. If they maybe did a small Tri-style series (2-3 episodes) with the quality of Last Evolution Kizuna, I think it would've been able to give all the characters the needed screentime and battles they deserved.
And while I agree with the idea that the 02 cast not needing to be the one to tell this story I think it's just to help bring home the ending message. Not needing to rely on a physical things to have a bond feels like it fits with the team whose bonds are symbolized by their jogress evolutions. Not my favorite digimon media, but idk I found it charming enough.
This movie really fails not just as a stand alone film, but there's not much to even grab onto nostalgia wise if youre just looking for fan service. It's probably the worst Digimon film that I've seen. It feels like an edgy self insert fan fiction brought to the big screen. I overall thought it was awful, with only a few moments between some of the 02 characters to make me feel anything positive.
People seem to be praising it for the story, but there isn't really much of a story here. I think people see more mature content in a Digimon film and think that it's impressive in some way but just because the movie is dark does not mean that there is any substance.
"Just because the movie is dark does not mean that there is any substance." Agreed. Dark does not equal substance or high quality. This is a pretty run of the mill Digimon story -- one we've seen in multiple episodes of Ghost Game for example -- but because of its intensity it is being celebrated.
The 02 kids got more attention in Last Evolution than their own movie
Literally
The reason I was able to enjoy the film was because of how similar it was to the plot of the Original digimon movie with Willis/Wallace. That was why the flashback didn't bother me too much. Rui's backstory was necessary to the plot of the movie (Just maybe not to the degree shown in the movie lol).
I left the film thinking like “ohh… that was fun” but I didn’t feel the fun. I think I was just happy to see the 02 kids back. Your video explained all the things I felt but couldn’t pinpoint.
In Japan, they’ve released a new audio drama each week with tickets and the one last week starts with the 02 kids and their digimon in an izakaya ordering food chatting and TK is drunk and then they start talking about discussing story stuff. I feel like maybe the team thought “oh the 02 kids aren’t shown much together having fun” at a certain point after the story had been cemented so they made the audio dramas to maybe make up for the lack of interaction in the film.
Oh yes, thats exactly how I felt after watching the movie. I’m glad that I came to the theatre with no expectation cos otherwise, I would’ve been hella disappointed. I’m just glad where I’m from, they give out goodies when you buy the special ticket set.
(I doubt this counts as a spoiler, because Japan would have absolutely spoiled it if it were to happen before hand, like the Tri Megas, so...)
Still haven't seen the movie myself. But i do know that Shakkoumon and Silphymon don't Digivolve to their own Mega Forms, which kinda saddens me.
Would have been cool to see Valkryimon and ClavisAngemon along side Imperialdramon Fighter Mode. (No I will NOT accept Vikemon as a Shakkoumon Mega EVER!)
Also, a minor thing... Why would TK and Kari need to DNA Digivolve at all? They have Seraphimon and Magnadramon now (and yes, Tri's canon. Meiko and Meicoomon were in Kizuna), it's like they're handicapping themselves to give Cody and Yolei's Digimon a buff, since Aquilamon and Ankylomon are useless on their own.
IKR? Even Tri gives the other Adventure kids their mega forms. So it doesn’t make sense to me either.
As someone who enjoyed the movie, a thing i did was make sure to not expect Kizuna level of how it was going to be since that's almost a setup for disappointment. The film certainly feels like a start of something bigger for the thing and will mosr likely have tons more impact on following stories.
This was the downfall of tri… why add unnecessary characters in addition to the original cast? Meiko and her cat was so fucking annoying and took time from our beloved og cast. And this new kid does the same shit for 02 cast like…. We can’t just have it focused on them? It’s not that hard..
Because they have to spend that time hammering in the message that they no longer have a bond with their Digimon and that they WILL be forcibly separated. Why would fans want to the characters they loved? Obviously they want to seem them ruined and NEW characters shoved in their faces
Understand where your disappointment is coming from, and it's quite valid. My personal opinion is that it's a good movie by itself for the story it has, and as for why it has less action etc, I find comfort in the fact that the producer kind of made it clear that this is just part of a bigger plot, and as the name hints, this is a 'beginning' for it~ The new character will come back as well from the interviews. We will most likely get into the bigger story about how digivices work and who the 'Grwat One' is! Had fun watching it!
So this is the Tri Part 1 of Adventure 02?
Yeah it feels like it's just start of a new show unlike kizuna
Can't wait for your spoiler review. That movie gave me PTSD Post Tamera Stress Disorder. I remember certain scenes and thinking to myself 'If I saw this screenshot online I would never believe it was from a digimon movie'
It felt like a legit Horror movie at times. The thing chopped his mom's head off and you can hear it fall into the snow. (She deserves jt
wait really holy shittt i didnt notice that
It did? i didnt notice
My disappointment was not seeing the other digievolutions of v-mon, Hawkmon, Armadillomon and wormon:(
I liked better second viewing because I knew what I was getting into. Because I mostly agreed that my first viewing somewhat disappointing. But I'm glad we got this movie because some fandoms don't get anything. Hopefully the future projects take the criticism and make a better product
And what were you expecting ? Another boring to death "tragic OC of the week" sappy plot that has been done again and again for the past 7-8 years ?
It felt better than Last Kizuna and that's a lot to say because I had really low expectations for this film. Also better than Tri but that wasn't hard to accomplish tbh.
I didn't like this movie, I was pretty disappointed. Plus, these movies always find a way to make Angewomon ugly. Why the heck do they keep drawing her with Beelzebumon's chin?! 😔😭
I knew when you put "honest" in the title, you weren't gonna like it, lol
Haha well to be fair, I also titled my Digimon Survive review “an honest review” and I loved the game & praised it lol. I like to keep ‘em guessing!
I feel like the 02 cast is just gonna keep playing second fiddle to everything and everyone around them xD
I like this movie more than Kizuna tbh. It is a better execution of what Tri was trying to do, it is essentially a retelling of the original digidestined prior to Taichi and friends but limiting the numbers to only a kid instead of five kids. Tri could have been better if it wasn't trying too hard to be edgy and ruin all the characters.
i would like to say im a hard core fan and I completely agree left disappointed there are more things to Digimon than just the story i feel like there was no risk in this film or development to characters at all
After watching the movie and seeing how awesome and touching it I have got to get the dvd of it
I have mixed feelings, there could be a scene like the beginning of last kizuna where the gang dealed with a wild digimon and commented on how Taichi and Yamato were no longer in the picture. Or some flashes of the 01 guys like the 02 kids had on last kizuna. Also, it's funny how they nailed Lui voice actor, nothing works as well to portrait a kid with parents issues as the voice of Shink Ikari haha
The ending of beginning dont bring justice to kizuna ending...i agree with you. Just watched at Malaysia just now
I enjoyed it but i think because of the fan service we got....my gripes were Lui should have been older because if he is the first he should have been older than the first digidestined...if they were gonna get rid of digivices give them a purpose like they did with the crests...and Armadillomon needs justice with that voice they chose to give him
The movie was OK for what it was, but I strongly believe the 02 cast deserved a better spotlight. This was a fair critique! And I hope the movie served as a teaser for more 02 related stories, possibly a "tri" styled series or a reboot like Adventure 2020.
I enjoyed the movie and the critiques you said make sense. It seems to me that they were more invested and really wanted to tell the story of this new character Lui and his relationship with Ukkomon, but they had to incorporate nostalgic characters into it so that way Toei had enough of a reason to greenlight the project so they knew they could get butts in seats. Because to me I was more invested in Lui's story than the 02 cast being there. And it really felt you could have replaced them with any other Digimon characters. If we knew there were more Digimon movies set in this world after The Beginning maybe the fact about the lack of focus on the 02 cast and battles wouldn't have stung as much for fans.
Edit: I would like to retract my statement on the claim any digimon cast would have worked here. I've seen some opinions that do a good job explaining why the 02 cast were the best option and I understand.
Even in terms of fan service, this film was atrociously bad.
They better not do this with Digimon Tamers. If they do anything with Tamers it better be done by the original people who created Tamers or someone who understand Tamers to a T.
I have not seen the movie but I heard reviews and from what I hear it feels as if the writers don,t understand what makes digimon digimon, kizuna is still my least favorite digimon movie but this does not sound a lot better
Just seen the Fan Screening of it for my area. Good thing I read earlier that the OG team won't have much involvement in the story so I don't expect them to do much. Otherwise, I really like the story when it focuses on the new characters and the rather dark theme of this movie. Worth the rather expensive fee for this Fan Screening. 4 stars out of 5.
Wish they would give the Frontier team a movie. That was my fav season after Adventure 02. To see Takuya and the gang link up with Tai, Davis and the other well known digi destined would be amazing and something I’ve been wanting for so long
Dude they had at least one movie already: Dejimon Furontia: Kodai Dejimon Fukkatsu!!
Now the series that does need a movie is Digimon Savers. They're the only classic team (Xross Wars/Young Hunters Who Leapt Through Time doesn't count as a classic series, it's part of the new (inferior) generation) who never got their own film. Hell, Tamers had TWO movies and even Frontier got one.
It’s like these movies are designed to just to try and shove a new character in our faces while shitting all over the main characters that they know people want to see
One more comment; I think what this all goes to show is just how shallow the 02 cast truly was compared to the original children. If the original 02 cast, the only truly interesting characters were Ken and Takeru. And Takeru was mostly because he was one of the original 7. Hikari was always just a MacGuffin too; she wasn't really an interesting character because she was way too pure.
Daisuke, Iori, Miyako (Yolei), were more or less characters whose traits were highly derivative of the original 7. This was actually a problem with 02 even inventing them as characters when the series could have simply continued using Taichi and his friends.
Something you ought to look up here is when Takeru confronts Ken and gets into a fist-fight with him. It's a point that really showed how Takeru had the tendency to give into his darker tendencies when provoked. Daisuke never had that kind of moment. Daisuke never had a "SkullGreymon moment" where he got too comfortable with his power and was tempted to abuse it.
I mostly agree with the exception of Daisuke. While I think he seems a somewhat bland character initially, he bounces off Ken really well in the second half of the series, and both Ken and Daisuke benefit from their shared dynamic. Taking the entire series into account + Dioboromon strikes back, I really like Daisuke, but he is reliant on his chemistry with Ken to be effective and isn't very interesting by himself. Likewise, I think post-Digimon Emporer Ken without Daisuke wouldn't be quite so compelling as there wouldn't be another character that would fill the role of enticing him out of shell.
I don't think it's neccessary for Daisuke to have a Skullgreymon moment, I think it would be a mistake to make him that much of a Tai clone. I like that his purpose in the series is his naivety and simple but good-hearted nature. Rather than have moments of darkness himself, his role in the story to me seemed to be to help others out of their dark struggles. As the Digimon Emporer, Ken probably wronged Daisuke more than anyone considering that episode he put Daisuke in the posistion to choose which of his friends he wanted to live or get eaten, but Daisuke was the first to forgive him and want him on the team, without any kind of grudge, which was important for Ken's redemption arc. Takeru fits the fist-fight/darker tendency stuff better, he fills that niche, I don't think it would add much for two characters to be like that.
By contrast, Hikari, Miyako and Lori really don't have a whole lot going for them. I feel the series tries to create the odd bit of character conflict for them, but none hit home for me. I rewatched 02 recently and I almost laughed in that episode at the end where myotismon traps them in that illusory dimension, most of the characters are having some profound fantasy, like Takeru being with a complete family again, or Lori with his father in the digital world (his best moment probably) and then there was Miyako eating cake. I know it was meant to be something about how she just didn't want to be sharing everything with her sibilings all the time, but the way it was presented really did make her come across as so dull that in this moment her most grand wish was just to eat cake by herself lol. Ultimately, these 3 characters don't really impact the plot much, you could switch out any of them and put in a random stand in and nothing much would change.
Digimon Adventure 02: The Beginning is a good movie, it just isn't a good DIGIMON movie.
There's literally no fights in this movie. A digimon movie, with no fights, that's just lame.
The original digidestined are shoved in a corner in favor of ANOTHER new digidestined.
You could replace digimon in this movie with ghosts, spirits, yokai, it wouldn't make any difference. This is a movie that has nothing to do with digimon, and is even proud to be so.
The movie was okay, but I was also very disappointed with the lack of battles. The total lore shake up also seemed unnecessary
I agree. I liked it overall but this does seem like a “one of many more” kinda movie not a final film like Kizuna was. I loved seeing the 02 characters get more of a focus but I honestly would’ve preferred no movie if more don’t come from this.
Thanks for saving my time and money with this, I love 02 and am disappointed to hear that it's all just dialogue in this movie
Hopefully will get another 02 film that dose it justice
Exactly. The story works without the 02 cast and thus as a 02 movie it is failure.
Totally agree, I was super disappointed with this movie. It was a pretty big letdown for me 😣
Why do they feel like they need to keep reinventing the wheel by adding so much unneeded lore and backstory to Digimon? Half of what made Adventure so much fun was the mystery of the weird other world. Now we have to have FNAF level lore along with introducing new boring characters that take away from the main cast. It's so frustrating.
when i saw the IMDB rating i was like "OOW SHIT"
I just saw the movie in the cinemas, and im also re-watching 02 and im almost done. I was very torn.
I had no expectations and knew nothing about it, but was still very excited to see a digimon movie in cinemas. Rui's story was very surprising, but really well done. I feel like Cody wasnt even present in the movie, they focused on Davis a lot which was fine, but i think with some small touches they could've had the characters really show their personalities and give them justice, in a subtle way.
I was almost expecting some new digivolution, or something different based off Kizuna and Tri. I actually really liked the ending, but agree with your point that regardless of who it is, digimon fans want to see some kind of battling. Like an actual struggle. None of the digimon struggled at all, and then they helped Rui and it was over. Ive seen theories that bandai will use this movie and others to make a follow up, which really excites me as it would tie them all together and give them the platform to show character development and stuff, but i also know that they constantly mistreat their Digimon IP, so im not holding my breath.
Overall good movie, but i left feeling a little... Lacking. Who is the great one? Were Kari and TK together (shown in the beginning)? Why was Ukkomon so randomly powerful that it can great like a million digi eggs, but also just dies immediately?
I got my gf into digimon in preparation for this film and we watched Kizuna the night before and she was so disappointed with the film. She said it was whiplash going from Kizuna to this film.
Definitely needed more action and wish the armor evolutions made an appearance. 02 cast definitely deserved a better movie , but the overall message was solid. They’re best friends no matter what even without a tech that originally brought them together.
In the end I liked the ending. I thought I'd be disappointed but it really left everything in the universe of Adventure quite open to elaborate on different tamers if they want 😛It quite doesn't compare to Kizuna and its relationship with it is very sketchy. For newcomers, the movie is a bit like on the zetsubou side too.
I didn't like Ken's adult design though, but that's just my opinion. Everything else was cool, but maybe the studios should stop being so overboard with animating tentacles 😅Well, at least if they are to animate the D-Reaper, its cables would look awesome with all the experience they got doing this movie 🤭🦑
Also, I don't like how they shoehorned Ukkomon's backstory into the stablished lore. We'll still will never know how many destructions of the Digital World there were since its inception and how that "feudal Japan" Ancient Digital World looked like. Guess the Sovereigns will remain more useful in Tamers than they did on the concept of the Ancient times spoken along Adventure and 02 (and barely on Frontiers, where again they tried to rewrite the concept of the Ancient Times with the 10 Warriors and the age of peace and destruction brought by the descent of Lucemon).
I think what's in the movie is good. But it simply doesn't have enough. Even though it was roughly an hour and a half, it almost feels like a bonus movie on a DVD release. I think it needed a bit of an overhaul. Surely there must be a sequel right? I mean otherwise the 02 team basically got shafted for a movie where basically nothing but exposition happens.
Also I don't where else to mention this but they should do a theatrical rerelease of Digimon The Movie before the Blu-Ray release.
I did really enjoy the movie, I've always loved the more mature themes in Digimon especially with the human characters. This movie definitely takes it to 11 with some parts, definitely feeling like ghost game with the body horror moment. The no real battles doesn't bug me at all but I definitely do agree with you that this didn't have to be an exclusive 02 movie but I do feel that it does best in the adventure canon, being the most fleshed out world we've seen. I would definitely like to see Digimon do more one off stories like this focusing on mostly one character in their own canon, possibly like the X evolution movie.
I could not disagree more about the status of this film as one of the worse. As others have said, it sticks the character writing perfectly, as well as the interactions. As for a less combat focused story, i love that they went this way, as it is a story type that adventure as a whole lacks imho
I’m happy for you! I wish I liked it
Yeah, i was let down too.
Between the horrendous atrocity of a series called Ghost Game, and this which was so painfully average... Yikes.
At least the Discotek Digimon movie redubs could make a good pallette cleanser...
Hm, I see, it’s unfortunate that this Movie fell short for you, perhaps this might be a sign that they should probably give the Adventure Cast break for awhile, if not completely retire them, ‘cause it seems like they have not been to recapture that Magic so far or what do you think?
Also, this makes me wonder, how would’ve you done this Movie?
They missed the opportunity to evolve Silphymon and Shakkoumon into Mega forms (and yet Valkyrimon and Slash Angemon were there, there was no need to even create new ones).
Btw i like the movie, i find it bold, Lui is a interesting character and the dark moments with him were really good, i was just hoping that some things would be explored better and that there would be more action (the animations are awesome btw), it felt just a bit rushed, there wasn't a real climax.
Anyway i give this movie a 7 out of 10, is not at the level of Kizuna but is not a bad movie.
it's a nice watch yes but compared to Kizuna it's not close, it's like comparing a 3 star Michelin with Mcdonalds. It's not bad, taste good, but it's not rly quality.
I am disappointed by many things but it's at least not offensively bad (something unfortunately has become the new standard after the shit stain that's Xros wars and Ghost game and Adventure 2020)
Digimon Seekers should’ve been a live action movie and 02 should’ve been web novel
I just watched the movie, I enjoyed the movie but I think Kizuna was a better movie. It hard much more focus mainly due to having only 2 mains instead of 7 like New Beginning did. Comparing it to Tri (new character + the whole team is the focus(yes 2 member do star in a movie but 6 movies best way to handle that) and a new digimon) New Beginning did so much better then Tri did in everyway. The character was explained better and his digimon was as well and we got to know the digimon.
Spoilers ahead: My issues is like u said the evolutions Paildramon should have had some kind of battle be it a digimon or even idk the army protecting the egg we see them twice and never again. Angewomon 2nd appearance as well why felt it was only there so they can show the evolution very wasted. The movie did lack something, till the last act i felt the flashback scenes could have been cut short at least a bit like from meeting Ukkomon we go to school and 2 whole birthdays before the conflict it took to long least to me. Also because of this we didn't get something with Paildramon minus him being transportation. I don't mind the focus on new kid, the movie was trying something new and the message of violence isn't the answer it's why Lui was hurt and it's to show they don't need to fight to have a bond just being together is enough but using Paildramon like that was really bad. I'll give the movie a 7.5/10 (Kizuna would be an 8-8.5/10) the flaws while don't ruin the movie do hold it back. To me tho Ghost Game felt worst as it kept trying to build up to something and we got what felt like a part of it, same with adventure 2020 too so much build up low result(tho the final battle with Omegamon was cool)
I pretty much have the same opinion... It was way to backstory heavy, like more of half of the movie was just the new guy showing his fucked up past.
Don't get me wrong, his story was solid but maaaan... C'mon i'm in a theater to see cool Digimon, do cool stuff
I'm also so sick of the "Hey, a new Digi-Destined having a cute Digi-Partner turning evil and we have to kill it =/
Btw, i was so hoping we would finally see the other 2 DNA-Digimon reach the mega level... Welp, i guess not =(
Music and animation was top! It's such a shame this turned out to be kinda like a filler but sold as a movie...
The novel parts of the movie to me that were out of the ordinary were really well done, like the creepy and suspenseful scenes especially in the backstory, the lack of action scenes and the slew of transformation scenes felt weird and disjointed tho, and the story the whole thing felt pretty anti-climactic
It felt like they kept hinting at combat stuff but just didn't commit to either having it or not
It also kinda felt like they just wanted to tell an original digimon story but also wanted to have an 02 send off movie and they just kinda stitched the two together
I also don't like how it further messed up the canon but that's beside the point
Very disappointed
Could of been better…. No crazy battles or anything. I was looking forward to this movie but was disappointed.
That actually really makes me upset. I was planning on seeing this movie but I just couldn't find the free time and I ended up missing the earrings but given what you said about it my heart honestly breaks
Not related to the video at all, but I just realized that you went to the theater playing it in my town! I wasn't able to go see it in theaters, but i find it neat that such an important digimon youtuber saw it somewhere I recognize!
So this movie runs into the same problem as the Digimon tri Series that I said before. Just like so we're just going to pretend like the adventure 02 kids don't exist and they've been doing that for a long time marketing the adventure 01 kids and completely forgetting about the adventure 02 kids and I just think that's so disrespectful. Because the adventure 02 kids are part of the adventure 01 kids You know what I'm saying and to leave them out on purpose just felt so dirty and I'm tired of everybody disrespecting the O2 kids and the show too. And love it 02, but to pretend as if it wasn't something important to the Digimon world it's dumb. That's why I didn't really care for tri I didn't really care for Last Kizuka. Because it just keeps forgetting about the O2 kids yes the 02 kids had a little bit more to do and the last evolution movie but still like difficult to tell the movie adventure about the O2 kids tell one him they had more to do in those early Digimon movies that they do in this movie and in the sequential series Tri It seems like the Digimon team hates the O2 kids really and that sucks.
It's going to have more sequel movies coming in the future, probably up until 2027, the year of the Adventure 02 epilogue. So, I guess, there'll be at least two or more movies to go. Let's hope that they'll do better.
It absolutely doesn't make any god damn sense Lui being the first digidestined because what about the original digidestined group before Tai's group if he is the original digidestand then he should of be older then Maki and Daigo.
I can see the movie didn't help the lore at all, but I'm still happy to see more digimon 😊 Even if it's more complicated and didn't give a proper solution, I still love digimon
I guess we have to wait for the next movie of digimon 😔😭 because the finale episode of adventure 02 is still canon and I really want to know how the digimon reunited with all digidestine
I'll keep it spoiler free here, but that ending left me questioning how does this exist as a direct sequel to Last Evolution.
Bringing Paildramon to Lyft the kids to the egg was so laughably questionable that the 02 kids even had to question it. The answer was "Well the police aren't going to like us doing this," but why exactly? Izzy is the go to Digimon guy in this world, and they know him personally, why not just have the kids interact with the 01 cast (like Last Evolution did to the 02 cast) to resolve this? Because only the 02 cast could listen to the darkest exposition dump ever made ending with providing a taxi service so that he can talk it out?
But thanks for the suggestion on Digimon Survive. Hopefully the Winter sale comes through for me.
Good to hear from you! I don’t know if you own a Switch but Survive is half off right now I believe! Not sure if that sale is on PC as well or just Nintendo.
I agree. This is a weird follow-up to the emotional ending of Last Evolution Kizuna.
That's been an issue with all these projects, If Meiko wasn't briefly in and mentioned in Kizuna, there's no evidence that Tri ever happened. Same here, if Homeostasis wasn't randomly mentioned by name, there's nothing to indicate that Tri even happened, and less to indicate that Kizuna happened.
Homeostasis wasn't even a tri reference. It showed up in the original series, so that doesn't even prove tri is cannon to the Begining
@@thekey0123 Yeah, but they didn't name it until Tri, they reference it had existed before with it possessing Kari back in Adventure but Tri's when the Adventure cast was given a name to call it.
Definitely enjoyed the movie but really was hoping for more action or evolutions. Maybe a new evo special for the movie. I do love that the whole team got the remade evo sequences. That was the highlight for me.
Honestly I agree with everything you said in this video. I felt the same way after I watched the movie. Just like you said I watch digimon for the story (plot) battles and digivolutions. Even tho I love a good dark theme adult story in digimon this movie kinda dropped the ball. Where this movie gave us way too much story with basically no real battle scenes, new villain(s), or new digivolutions. This movie honestly felt like it could have been a mini episode arc from digimon 02 then a movie. It does pain me to say this but as a OG Digimon fan (90s), I was completely underwhelmed by this movie especially since I waited until June when it was released to DVD to finally watch. Between Tri, last evolution, and the beginning, this was the worst one. My favorite are the Tri movies, I know they get a lot of criticism for many reasons but the the battles were their the digivolutions were definitely there, I enjoyed the story and how each digidestined got their own chance to shine in each of the movies unlike in last evolution which the focus was solely focused on Tai & Matt. Lastly I hope you’re right about there being one last movie tying tri last evolution and the beginning together coming in 2027 or hopefully earlier to show us what lead up to the 02 ending.
There's barley any action in a DIGIMON film? Then what even is the fucking point in making a Digimon film? That's like making Dragon Ball Z or One Piece film without fighting.
It was definitely a disappointment for sure, SO much happened……but at the same time absolutely Nothing does. I enjoyed seeing the 02 kids but was hoping that after All this time they would have gotten some new digivolutions to show their progress
I feel the same as you for the most part. I was disappointed, I just wish they took out the 02 cast or they showed up at the end of the film to help with the finale.
This overall could have just been a fun Digimon off shoot movie with characters no one knew and it would have been better for me.
I have just watched the very first seconds of your review, and honestly I am at least grateful that you try to be more "neutral", by going beyond "oh it is the comeback of 02". Like we get it, it is cool. But that doesn't mean it has to be necessarly good or present something that oozes any quality at all. Especially when we are talking about a sequel of the sequel of the sequel of the sequel, that you cannot take into consideration without keeping an eye at previous Digimon Adventure releases. I am afraid Digimon anime peaked at Appmon, that's how I feel personally. Hopefully I am proven wrong moving forward...
it honestly felt like the middle of a movie. I enjoyed it for what it was but it felt incomplete. I almost want to add 40 minutes to the film twenty on each side of it. 20 at the start for check ins with the characters and some slice of life. 20 on the back end to see some action and maybe end it with Yolei proposing to ken.
My biggest issue with this movie was the few screentime of Armadillomon. I wish he had a bigger screentime. But Hawkmon was really good in this movie! 😂
The thing I've never understood about Lui is that he can't be the first Digidestined because he's clearly the same age as the other kids. Am I supposed to believe he's older than Maki and Mr. Nishijima? It just doesn't work. Plus, how many brand new Digidestined with partners that go evil do we even need in these Adventure movies? It's such a depressing concept for a story
I was dissapointed aswell but not becaus of lack of fights or anything like that. The story was just...not good. Why? Because its full of plotholes with what we see in Ruis story. Many things dont make sense. Yes his story is very dark and its something that I liked. But aside from that and the points you mentioned the movie just baffled me
I was bored to be honest. I left not only disappointed but with more questions than answers. I was happy to see my theater was pack, well not the bottom seats. I truly hope they make a sequel but with more action and NEW digivolutions.
The thing is, it's not a bad movie by any means, the main characters end up being side characters but there quite literally is no story or suspense. There was no character developments. Last Kizuna was done really well, because they had a compelling story, action, and it connected with the audience. I agree with Imperialdramon and the other digimon are used a transportation service and not as partners meant to move the story forward. The ending was basically, "I guess we need to talk." Also, the fact that they made Ukkomon the reason Digi-destined exist, doesn't sit right with me...
The fact that the "chosen ones" end up being a birthday gift for some abused kid in Tokyo is horrid. Also, NO ARMOR DIGIVOLUTIONS in the first DIGIMON ADVENTURE 02 WE'VE GOTTEN IN YEAAARSSS is bizarre decision.
Spoilers in my comment below
Digimon needs to get over the idea that these movies need to introduce a new character with a tragic backstory. Not only did they already tell that story effectively with Willis, but these are now nostalgia movies; we want new stories with the characters we know and love. I could maybe recommend this movie if your favourite Digimon character is Lui. Which, before this movie, is obviously no one. And so much of that backstory is just tragedy porn. I was laughing at how over-the-top it was when Lui, out in the cold, starts talking about how it's his birthday, because of _course_ it is. And the gore just... added nothing. That's not what the story is or needed to be.
Going back to Willis, though, it's telling that the biggest positive reaction my screening had was with his tiny cameo, calling back to when they got all this right, and showing how little the film had for fans of the main cast. And the title and themes of the film only reinforced that, calling on the line "Go back to the beginning" serving as a constant reminder of that film.
I remember when this film was announced, we got the one artwork of a young Lui, which at the time I thought was a young Davis, and my head started turning on what I thought the film might be. Foolishly, I thought it might follow up on Kizuna, with the loss of partners; following the trend of Davis's earnest purity when MaloMyotismon couldn't tempt him, I thought perhaps he would be the last of the 12 to have his partner, but that throughout the film he would be able to reunite the others: a story fully about the bonds between partners, a new beginning for them all as adults.
Tai & Izzy's cameos were nice, although it's telling how they're clearly the only two of the OG team that really mattered, but with their work on Digimon matters, you'd think they could get clearance for this group to conduct Digimon business without threat of arrest at every corner. And I have to assume the only reason TK & Kari are with this group now is because all six of the others have lost their partners by now? Because they certainly had no interest in being with this team in the previous films.
Again, on the point of Tai & Izzy carrying out work regarding Digimon, and the Digidestined around the world that this film seems just about as interested in as the main cast; on the way home, my wife and I brainstormed several ideas we'd have been more interested in seeing, starting with a big follow-up on the international Digidestined, and all these new partners. Focus on what sets this group apart, and have them travelling around the world to coordinate with these partners, help new Digidestined understand and potentially keep the peace - because there's an easy way to introduce conflict and battles without a new Big Bad, are we really to believe that with 60,000 Digimon around the world there aren't disputes breaking out? People misusing their partners?
But you could, of course, go back to the many major unresolved plot points and mysteries from 02, in particular Dragomon and the Dark Ocean, as well as the Daemon Corps. Maybe they rise up to invade other worlds? Something has disturbed them in some way? You can bring up the Wish world - which they really could have used here to help explain Ukkomon - and that could even grant the power to fight back. You could draw on the power of that world to let Davis, Cody, Yolei, and Ken reach ultimate and Mega without DNA digivolving. Tri let all the originals go Mega, and it really highlights how messed up it is that these kids can't go beyond champion alone, especially bad when TK and Kari were with the others, leaving Yolei and Cody stuck at Aquillamon and Ankylomon. No other series leaves the main characters unable to progress beyond champion. Beginning even makes a point of showing that Kari doesn't need Yolei to reach ultimate, and they needed a real contrivance to get Silphymon in this film at all. Because whilst maybe we don't need flashy new forms just because (although the card game would certainly appreciate it, I'm shocked we didn't get more for its sake), these kids have really been left in the lurch. And it makes it the only Adventure story to _not_ give us an exciting new form for the finale. I really expected the new version of Magnamon X to end up appearing, with its debut in the card game.
There are lots of small touches to this film that I appreciate, but the big picture and most of the small touches just reek of not appreciating what stories make sense to tell here, and what fans want to see from their old favourites.
And finally, seriously, give Armadillomon a better voice, that's just a mess.
Finally got to see this movie...dude this movie is basically M3GAN!! 😂
Did the writers even WATCH the show back when it was on?? All they needed to do, was go to Digital World, and kick someone's ass. Done! Thats NOT hard to write. Thats ALL we wanted to see one last time.
Instead, we got over an hour of backstory for a random kid with a wish-granting digimon. No digimon fighting until the last 5 minutes. And all we got were the DNA evolutions, not the armor ones which we all loved 100x more. Ukkomon is there to make Lui happy, but in horrible ways, like M3gan 😅
THEY FOUND US?!
I'D BE AMAZED IF THEY HADN'T FOUND US SHATTER!
Instantly change to a new location with everyone in one place suggesting they were able to shack the ambiguous "They" instantly
Then do it twice.
SPOILER ALERT ⚠️⚠️⚠️
They could've made the plot more interesting by adding civil war between digi destined because there'll be some who didn't want to lose their bond despite sacrificing the world for it.
You hit on a lot of issues I had with the movie myself. My favorite part of the movie was probably when the digimon digivolved together and that was probably it. I liked Angewoman's digivolution. But I felt like it was forced in just for show. (Or so she wasn't left out.) She got knocked out way too easily for a Perfect/Ultimate level. Only to tag with Aquilamon to go back to the same level. Definitely didn't make me want to re watch it again. I was looking forward to this for a very long time too.
I'll probably still end up watching the movie probably when it comes to streaming service but I have to say thank you so much for your review it's exactly what I look for in a review. I just got done with a Beetlejuice 2 review that was nothing but a hate letter to the movie based on the person's personal biased opinion. Your review was just the right mix of facts and personal insights, you even said that this was your take on it and not to let it influence how other fans like myself go into it assuming we'll feel the same way. Tho i have to agree whats the point of a digimon movie with little to no digivolution and no battles except one. Ive subscribed and look forward to your future content, while going thru and watching what ive missed, thank you again for an excellent review
Man you were completely right about this movie! No armor evolutions, no new evolutions, no actual battles and all the focus was on Lui. Nothing was learned new about the 02 cast. This is super disappointing. Last Evolution Kizuna was the best Digimon movie. It combined everything we love and then some. I liked Menowa personally the best as new movie character. But ya super disappointing moive. Could've talked about Dragomon and the dark ocean or the evil Imperialdramon from Tri.
I would love a modern Digimon Tamers series or movie, unlikely it would happen. But a fan can dream, right?
Sorry but kizuna still better...sigh...i watched kizuna before too