I can't remember seeing that DS9 episode. I'm just working my way through TNG again and I can't help picturing the Breen as looking like that Neil Breen alien in I am here... Now.
I really love this episode. I remember watching it when I was a kid and really connecting with the kid in it. Data was always the character I liked best and associated with the most of the main cast as I have similar issues understanding other people and emotions. Especially when I was in my early teens.
I feel this was a missed oppertunity for data to adopt timothy as a son and become a family. Timothy lost his, and data expresses numerous times of having his own family and this was a great oppertunity for this to take place. However alexander and worf more or less filled the parent and child space in the show. I still often wonder what if they went that route with data and timothy it would have been a really interesting and great dynamic also both brent spiner and the young actor had great chemistry together.
A good episode in my opinion. Some heart warming moments and great performance from Brent Spiner. At the end of the day, these kinds of dramas, I believe, make Star Trek endure the test of time, and not political episodes of actiony ones.
Mhh...I am not sure if I agree with your opinion on the fact that picard hesitates to drop the shields - I think it is a sign of trust that he doesn't try to question it (there wouldn't be enough time anyways)...but the hesitation...i think that is human - he is taking a decission and if he is wrong, this decission is going to kill the whole crew and destroy the ship - it's not something that is taken lightly, picard just knows his responsibilty in this case - he reflects briefly on it and then gives the order - the fact that the order is carried out by worf, who does visibly disagree with it, without any hesitation - that is also trust. For me an instant "make it so" would have been the more unrealistic choice
I agree with you, he didn't hesitate at all in the episode but he needed confirmation that data is serious about it. As any good Captain, for such a risky thing he need a explanation, but when data just repeated "DROP THE SHIELDS" again, he trusted him. If a captain do all that a crewman (even if a senior) do without question or thinking it is not a good captain.
As for never seeing Timothy again, I'm not sure i agree with 'screw continuity' in this case. It's likely that an extended family member was found, (aunt, uncle, grandparent) and he sent to live with them. If a family member could not be found he was likey sent to an orphanage/ foster home, however thats handled in the 24th century. Of course an orphaned minor can't just live on the ship by himself, with no one to take a parental kind of resonsabilty for him. As a side note; From a parent perspective, I thought it was dubious, that Wesley was allowed to stay after Beverly went to Starfleet Medical. Being an 'Army Type Brat' means; if the serving parent gets tranfered to a new base, where family housing is provided, the children of that service member go too, that's milatary life.
I got about half way through your rumination and decided to run the video as I usually skip it. I finished your rumination and watched it again. Doing the same with Voyager and DS9. Thanks
Regarding Troi, it would have been great if she sensed great guilt from Timothy, but she initially believes it's sole survivor's guilt. The more she interacts, the more she senses there's something else going on. Good episode, though pity we don't see him again.
Mem-summary: Data helps the only survivor of a wrecked ship, a child, cope with the loss of his parents. Meanwhile, the crew investigates the cause of the wreck. (there are some genuine warm moments in this episode)
Alternate timeline: he molds to Q who showed up and helped out because he was bored and wanted them to get the rescue over with. Just… just picture that.
It's not bad, honestly. Just looking at a synopsis of the episode, I'd expect it to be pretty dull, but they make it work through good writing of the character.
Well, well.... a somewhat positive review of this episode. Given that the general consensus seems to be that it's a bad episode, I thought we were all obligated to hate it. As a curmudgeon myself who often disagrees on well-loved ("Who Watches the Watchers", "Yesterday's Enterprise", etc.) and well-hated (oh, just wait until we get to one in particular in Season Seven!) episodes, it's nice to see a fellow curmudgeon. However, I can't really say "Hero Worship" is a particularly good episode. There's some nice character stuff between Data and Timothy and it's nice to see Troi being used effectively (it's so damn rare). But, for my money, it's about as close as possible to a museum-quality specimen of a standard, average Star Trek episode - nothing glaringly bad but nothing really stand-out good either. 5/10
And we never see the kid again. . . What if he's like the technician, or whatever looking after Data/b4s body in Picard. lol But yes, it's a shame other than a brief thing with Alexander in DS9 we don't see a lot of the kids later on either in TNG or other series. Also, I always get this episode mixed up with the one from earlier, I think, where the mom dies on an away mission, some alien thing takes her form and tries to take the kid away. Ah 3x6 The bonding.
Another episode i'm not such a fan. Great in concept, the threat of the week is intriguing.. But the boy psychological problems in the end was sad to see it "oh he is fine now, even ignoring data so forget him next week, ok audience?" turns me off. Also the episode is another meh one. Again, even the Meh on Season 1 had more charm.
I can't remember seeing that DS9 episode. I'm just working my way through TNG again and I can't help picturing the Breen as looking like that Neil Breen alien in I am here... Now.
I really love this episode. I remember watching it when I was a kid and really connecting with the kid in it. Data was always the character I liked best and associated with the most of the main cast as I have similar issues understanding other people and emotions. Especially when I was in my early teens.
I feel this was a missed oppertunity for data to adopt timothy as a son and become a family. Timothy lost his, and data expresses numerous times of having his own family and this was a great oppertunity for this to take place. However alexander and worf more or less filled the parent and child space in the show. I still often wonder what if they went that route with data and timothy it would have been a really interesting and great dynamic also both brent spiner and the young actor had great chemistry together.
A good episode in my opinion. Some heart warming moments and great performance from Brent Spiner. At the end of the day, these kinds of dramas, I believe, make Star Trek endure the test of time, and not political episodes of actiony ones.
Mhh...I am not sure if I agree with your opinion on the fact that picard hesitates to drop the shields - I think it is a sign of trust that he doesn't try to question it (there wouldn't be enough time anyways)...but the hesitation...i think that is human - he is taking a decission and if he is wrong, this decission is going to kill the whole crew and destroy the ship - it's not something that is taken lightly, picard just knows his responsibilty in this case - he reflects briefly on it and then gives the order - the fact that the order is carried out by worf, who does visibly disagree with it, without any hesitation - that is also trust.
For me an instant "make it so" would have been the more unrealistic choice
I agree with you, he didn't hesitate at all in the episode but he needed confirmation that data is serious about it. As any good Captain, for such a risky thing he need a explanation, but when data just repeated "DROP THE SHIELDS" again, he trusted him.
If a captain do all that a crewman (even if a senior) do without question or thinking it is not a good captain.
As for never seeing Timothy again, I'm not sure i agree with 'screw continuity' in this case. It's likely that an extended family member was found, (aunt, uncle, grandparent) and he sent to live with them. If a family member could not be found he was likey sent to an orphanage/ foster home, however thats handled in the 24th century. Of course an orphaned minor can't just live on the ship by himself, with no one to take a parental kind of resonsabilty for him.
As a side note; From a parent perspective, I thought it was dubious, that Wesley was allowed to stay after Beverly went to Starfleet Medical. Being an 'Army Type Brat' means; if the serving parent gets tranfered to a new base, where family housing is provided, the children of that service member go too, that's milatary life.
STTNG had such great writing.. the best
I got about half way through your rumination and decided to run the video as I usually skip it. I finished your rumination and watched it again. Doing the same with Voyager and DS9. Thanks
Regarding Troi, it would have been great if she sensed great guilt from Timothy, but she initially believes it's sole survivor's guilt. The more she interacts, the more she senses there's something else going on. Good episode, though pity we don't see him again.
When Data says "I wish I were human" to the kid, I can't help but think he's lying. Data isn't able to wish for anything.
Mem-summary: Data helps the only survivor of a wrecked ship, a child, cope with the loss of his parents. Meanwhile, the crew investigates the cause of the wreck. (there are some genuine warm moments in this episode)
This rumination remidned me on how much I missed watching Data
Alternate timeline: he molds to Q who showed up and helped out because he was bored and wanted them to get the rescue over with. Just… just picture that.
I believe this is the first reference to the Breen in star trek
Why would he come up again? He would have been sent to live with family.
I really like this episode. Great work by the child actor.
It's not bad, honestly. Just looking at a synopsis of the episode, I'd expect it to be pretty dull, but they make it work through good writing of the character.
OH NO I AM CAUGHT UP! I started with the Voyager Ruminations, then moved to TNG--and now I am up to real time. Sigh. Guess you do only one a week eh?
Well, well.... a somewhat positive review of this episode. Given that the general consensus seems to be that it's a bad episode, I thought we were all obligated to hate it. As a curmudgeon myself who often disagrees on well-loved ("Who Watches the Watchers", "Yesterday's Enterprise", etc.) and well-hated (oh, just wait until we get to one in particular in Season Seven!) episodes, it's nice to see a fellow curmudgeon.
However, I can't really say "Hero Worship" is a particularly good episode. There's some nice character stuff between Data and Timothy and it's nice to see Troi being used effectively (it's so damn rare). But, for my money, it's about as close as possible to a museum-quality specimen of a standard, average Star Trek episode - nothing glaringly bad but nothing really stand-out good either.
5/10
And we never see the kid again. . .
What if he's like the technician, or whatever looking after Data/b4s body in Picard. lol
But yes, it's a shame other than a brief thing with Alexander in DS9 we don't see a lot of the kids later on either in TNG or other series.
Also, I always get this episode mixed up with the one from earlier, I think, where the mom dies on an away mission, some alien thing takes her form and tries to take the kid away. Ah 3x6 The bonding.
You trust too much in Picard to be a sequel to TNG ;)
I assume he was sent to live with family, or at least back to Earth. There's no reason for him to stay on the Enterprise.
Wow chronicles were the only two books you've red on this channel?
Another episode i'm not such a fan.
Great in concept, the threat of the week is intriguing.. But the boy psychological problems in the end was sad to see it "oh he is fine now, even ignoring data so forget him next week, ok audience?" turns me off.
Also the episode is another meh one. Again, even the Meh on Season 1 had more charm.