I’m honestly not sure that the topic was really ever tackled in this vid. However in movies like ‘The Matrix’, ‘Hunger Games’, et al people are rooting for the underdog which just happen to be the resistance element in these films. Now look at ‘Rocky IV’, sure everyone was on Rocky’s side because he’s Rocky and he’s American but it was also because he was facing a seemingly insurmountable odds against an dominant opponent. Hence the underdog aspect. It’s not the “resistance” label so much as the underdog that viewers are behind.
@@GenerationFilms I hear ya, perhaps a follow up or longer vid would’ve allowed you to fully address all of the angles. It’s an interesting topic to be sure that I personally would’ve still watched it if it was longer. I’m not knocking you, I’m just lending my expanded viewpoint.
As a matter of fact, there are MANY instances in fiction where those in "La Resistance" are the bad guys. What do I mean? Criminals and Supervillains, they're _resisting_ the Law...
This is why I don't mix fictional groups and factions with the real world factions and groups. Because it's a lot messier and muddy in the real world than in a fictional setting, using fictional factions as stand ins or allegories of real world groups always ends up messy. Especially when it's a hot topic at the moment. But I will say in the Gaza conflict both sides are covered in mud and can't claim the moral high ground.
Israel literally admitted that watch the video by Owen Jones also Hamas isn't part of Palestine the separated themselves from the Palestinian government, and by Jewish state you've been the only state and no other state which is probably diversify the stage because if side your way back was the only Muslim state you couldn't even blame them for anything including 9/11. Seriously how sick are people. Also watch their updated charter in 2017. And this state was built on occupied Palestine at least find a place and don't occupy it all. And Israel did Muxh much worse sing angel can't do anything wrong because it's a stated like saying America can't ban abortion or was I can't even read Ukraine or commit a genocide in Ukraine when it was charged with genocide and we where saying Putin as acting like Hitler to Ukranians or America can't invade Iraq. The argument of Israel has a right defend himself from unprovoked the cat fell after the 6 daywar when it is illegally occupying land. You're right of Israel is defending itself is the same as that bad guy when the raccoon in guardian of the galaxy said you killed right to defend against the raccoon. Also you do realise in that scenario the Empire is wrong. Also shut up about your scenario "what if someone came and killed someone in your family" if you said that to Putin he'd still because criminal evej after that ISL attack and even if they said "we like the Taliban think what Putin is doing is wrong" probably aren't fighting for Ukrainian land gain back as they don't even fly their flag. And if the person killed was Netinahu he'd deserve it. Stop equating innocent civilians with Israel. Like If I said that about Ukraine I'd be cancelled faster then Tucker Carlson.
Word. Art/cinema is inherently propaganda. It's meant to make you feel a certain way and our brain usually purposely dumbs down its critical thinking capacities in order to feel the movie and the message and highten the sensual experience. The real world is covered in blood, different sides, inconsistencies hypocrisy. Even when looking at arguably one of the most black and white conflicts of the real world it's still gritty. You had moustache Germany which was genocidal, fighting against: - the USSR which was a totalitarian mass murder machine. -the British empire which was a genocidal empire that spread death around the globe and actually just went to war because they felt like their dominance was threatened The USA who literally were a 150 year old nation that was build by genocidal criminals who exterminated the local population and forced them in ghettos and only got into the war because their elites realised the opportunity of becoming the center of the world after everyone else bashed their heads. All of these countries were a threat to the world in their own right yet movies present what they want to present.
If you really want to blame then blame Hamas and the Israel Gov. But the citizens are innocent. Though the Palestinians are the true victims who are being bombed. The ones in Israel are mostly safe for now.
The military leader of Hamas has said he believes he has gained the upper hand over Israel and that the spiralling civilian death toll in Gaza would work in the militant group’s favor, according to a report by the Wall Street Journal, citing leaked messages the newspaper said it had seen. “We have the Israelis right where we want them,” Yahya Sinwar told other Hamas leaders recently, according to one of the messages, the WSJ reported Monday. In another, Sinwar is said to have described civilian deaths as “necessary sacrifices” while citing past independence-related conflicts in countries like Algeria.
You know, I bet that there will be an nice and polite discussion in the comment section. I'm just getting popcorn right now to prepare to read the lately thought provoking opinions that people writes on the internet.
@@GenerationFilmsI will be honest. I strongly disagree with the message given within this video. It’s been 8 months of constant live footage from the grounds of Gaza. There’s are millions of Jewish people who stand with the Palestinians. From the river to the Sea. Palestine will be free🇵🇸🍉
Actually Lucas said the Empire was in fact supposed to represent the US and the rebels were Vietnamese, seeing as how the first SW film came merely four or so years following the end of the Vietnam War.
Which it really didn't show. He made SW based on flash gordon and dune and was asked for a deeper basis for it. And pretty much vomitted up Vietnam IMO
@@gups4963 Your prolly right, no one wants t admit that their biggest artistic endeavor has about as much depth as a single sheet paper lol. So i wouldn't surprised if he just made that up after the fact
The title and thumbnail of the video is absolutely disgusting.... insinuating that Jewish people are tyrants and that Palestinians are the poor lowly targets of a universal evil is absolutely vile....
@@GenerationFilmsthank you. There are good and bad people on both sides. However we do have to acknowledge that there is a certain line that when crossed, there is no coming back from. Alderaan was a line that the empire could not come back from. What Hamas did on 10-7 was a line similar to Alderaan.
I agree with parts of this video and disagree with others. Hamas and groups like it are not to be lauded. It attempted a genocide of the subaltern against the Israelis on Oct 7 and though the oppression the Palestinians face is horrendous, it cannot justify crimes against humanity. The solution to oppression is not genocide. Moreover, we have to stop giving oppressed groups a pass to do whatever they want because they are oppressed. That is how this started in the first place, people justified Israels crimes against Palestinians because of the Holocaust. There is a quote from the author of Maus, who is the child of a Holocaust survivor. "suffering doesn’t make you better, it just makes you suffer!" Whenever people try to say who is right in this or any conflict, they say "well look what we wenr through!". All groups have suffered and all groups have made terrible mistakes. Speaking of, what Israel is doing right now is a genocide of the Gazan people. The whole world recognizes it as such including the ICJ (who also called out Hamas' crimes). You can try to make the argument that the current loss of civilian life is due to unfortunate collateral damage, all 40,000+ of them, but if this is the case, then the IDF is massively incompetent and by continuing its operations in Gaza without major replanning to reduce civilian casualties, it is still guilty by negligence. You say Israel is a democracy but it is currently nowhere near that, as Netanyahu and his allies are backsliding the country into authoritarianism and the US is doing little to stop it and is in fact supporting the current administration despite its crimes and its assault on democracy. I think we need to stop hollywoodising conflicts like this, and if thats what this video is trying to get across, I definitely agree. It is way too easy to propagandize complicated situations when you try to force it to fit a hollywood "good guy vs bad guy" mold, and Ive seen way too many people try to justify ghastly atrocities on both sides because of it.
Nah, there were a couple of things he did wrong. He was way too confident in the power and skill of Anakin Skywalker to outduel Obi-wan Kenobi. He was also too confident in Luke's ability to resist turning to the dark side and his influence on his father.
Right out of the bat, not supporting the Israeli invasion of Gaza, does not mean support for Hamas, it's support for the inocent palestian civillians caught innthe middle of a conflict, in there own land! And people need to see that distinction!
It is hard to see a foe as human and treat them humanely when they aren't acting the part. Brutality begets more brutality. "...and I killed them like animals!!" ~ Anakin Skywalker
Wait, which one is The Acolyte? Hamas or the IDF? Or are they both the twins? I won't be finishing the show and I'll probably wait to find out who wins the Gaza war till after I finish Andore, which is way down on my watch list 🤓
So, I want to just drop an anecdote here. My aunt, born in Iraq, was relocated at a young age of 6 or 7 in 1950-1960 or so to Isreal by the zionist political movement. She grew up being spit upon by both Muslims and Jews as an Arab Jew. After migrating to America (in the 1960's) and working as a mediator between the US and Yassir Arrifat's Palestinian government, I've learned that all of this is just a crap situation. You have people that just want to live (without Hamas) and people that just want to enjoy their Jewish state (but don't look "Isreali") all suffering due to, well, jackasses. This is significantly more complex than Star Wars, or any science fiction I am aware of in the cinematic world. Cool to push back against someone having an oversimplification. You've also oversimplified the problem though. This is a LOT of grey. With a lot of folks folks caught in a crossfire they can't evade. This point seems to have been diminished in you rebuttal against, well, a troll. Keep calm, and think of, ya know, the innocent.
A Majority of Israeli Jews are Mizrahi and Sephardi coming from countries that are Muslim. There is no official discrimination and while things certainly aren't perfect, they don't live under review apartheid like conditions of Dhimmitude.
So, the following armed conflicts are taking place around the world: Russo-Ukraine War, Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, Internal Conflict in Myanmar, Armed Rebellion in the Maghreb (2002-present), Sudan War, Somali Civil War, Mexican Drug War, Syrian civil war, the Boko Haram insurgency, the Yemeni civil war and a total of more than 45 other conflicts. I'd also like to see how you connect to Spider-Man or Batman movies. 👌
@@Rcampo42 imagine being a star wars fan and falling for Empire propaganda. Also we do not have a democracy, at least not a functioning/just/moral one.
You're extremely uninformed if you think it's that "black and white". From the river to the sea started as an Israeli chant. They've clearly and unequivocally stated their intent of eradicating or cleansing Gazans. But please just answer this: Why did they cut food, water and fuel to 2.2 mill people when they know that the bad guys are knly about 30-40.000 thousand? If that's not terror and genocide, I fail to see what is. History didn't start October 7th. You need to read up instead of repeating BS bullet points from a media that is wholly in bed with the narrative the government wants to sell you. Remember Iraq? How they sold the lies and called everyone against it traitors? This is the exact same thing. You're being convinced to support evil, but thinking that you're morally justified. Nothing can justify what Israel is doing to an already impoverished people that have been occupied their entire lives.
4 hours after posting and just 211 comments; seems reasonable. There is entirely too much nuanced judgement in this script to produce the roaring blaze I was expecting. **sigh** ... Click baited again!!
i love ytou and your content so much dude, you have no idea, the balls to upload this let alone say such things you did shows such amazing guts and such determinatuon and thourough understanding in not only the star was universe but america itself shows how truly american you are and it is so amazing and influencial
Hey Ben, I'm proud of you for being willing to discuss the topic and express your honest opinions regardless of what other people might think. It's a messy subject. And I know you're gonna get a lot of hate for it. But when we can't talk about a subject out of fear then we'll have lost something very important. Don't let anyone take that from you!
The only thing people need to understand, or piece of information they need, to come to irrational conclusion is.... There are Muslim citizens in israeli-controlled territory. They live normal lives. They hold positions of power in the Israeli Senata, and even in their police force and military. Likewise there is not a single Jewish citizen in any of the Muslim controlled territory like in the gaza strip, or Egypt, or Iran. Not a single one. Well unless you're a hostage. But they're not owning businesses and leading healthy lives. That's the only distinction that needs to be made. Muslims are able to live comfortably, and at peace in Israeli areas. While Israelites cannot do the same in the surrounding Muslim territories. That's it. No ifs ands or buts. There's no argument to be pressed against that. Which is why that fact is greatly ignored with a powerful effort.
Jews lived under a ritual Jim Crow in Muslim lands for 14 centuries for almost were expelled after 1948 and 1967. The vast majority moved to Israel, where the young and small state absorbed and assimilated them. Arab Nations refuse to grant citizenship to Palestinians, who largely live under apartheid conditions in Arab countries. That was one of the causes of the Lebanese Civil War
You have absolutely no effin no clue what ur talking about!! The reason there aren't Jews living in Gaza is because its a literal concentration camp that has no sovereignty over his airspace or water-ways, and instead has to rely entirely on what Israel allows in or out of Gaza with only the rarest of exceptions - no Palestinian is allowed to leave the strip! In Israel proper there are more than 60 different laws and civil mandates that deliberately discriminate against it's Palestinian minority. And as we speak Israel is carrying out an effin genocide my man! Go read some books for fuck's sake, (prefferably written orks from experts like Norman Finkelstein, Max Blumenthal, Ilan Pappe, Miko Peled, or Edward Said, Chris Hedges, or Gideon Levy). Hell, just go watch any of the many talks/interviews by those guys on TH-cam! I mean seriously man, what a profoundly stupid take, smh
Arabs living in Israel are barred from living in certain areas which are "Jewish only", not to mention that entire villages have been forcibly displaced by Israel even though they were Israeli citizens. Israel is an apartheid. Just look at the west bank or Gaza. Not to mention what they did to Ethiopian Jews.
I stg western progressivism in present day is just getting upset about the fact that power differentials exist and axiomatically assuming that a group with less power than another is innocent and pure and good and deserves special treatment
Having more power and exercising that power to oppress a group of people for 80 years after stealing their land. I would say you're completely ignorant of the situation.
@@sammalama show me a single square inch of inhabited land which has never been stolen And I don't think Israel can claim any kind of moral high ground since theyve basically made Gaza an open air prison but let's not pretend that Palestinian leadership has ever been an advocate for peaceful coexistence either
@@dm-rj2zg Well if you want to use that line of reasoning then I can't disagree. Every place in the world has at one point been invaded, and conquered. My issue here is that Israel portrays themselves as self righteous, and pretend they aren't a colonizing force to the rest of the world. The vast majority of Palestinians don't want to co-exist, they want what they know to be their land back. So I agree with you on that point as well.
Dude this channel has repeatedly argued that genocide was a good thing in media it covers Like, completely ignoring the authors themes in things like Ender's Game. "Nonono Im saying doing these horrible things are okay not against humans [Us] but when its against aliens[Them]"
Nope I don't remember the resistance in Star Wars digging tunnels killing innocent people taking hostages and wanting to kill all imperials the rebels just wanted to go back to their usual corrupt system they had before the empire.
Israel literally admitted that watch the video by Owen Jones also Hamas isn't part of Palestine the separated themselves from the Palestinian government, and by Jewish state you've been the only state and no other state which is probably diversify the stage because if side your way back was the only Muslim state you couldn't even blame them for anything including 9/11. Seriously how sick are people. Also watch their updated charter in 2017. And this state was built on occupied Palestine at least find a place and don't occupy it all. And Israel did Muxh much worse sing angel can't do anything wrong because it's a stated like saying America can't ban abortion or was I can't even read Ukraine or commit a genocide in Ukraine when it was charged with genocide and we where saying Putin as acting like Hitler to Ukranians or America can't invade Iraq. The argument of Israel has a right defend himself from unprovoked the cat fell after the 6 daywar when it is illegally occupying land. You're right of Israel is defending itself is the same as that bad guy when the raccoon in guardian of the galaxy said you killed right to defend against the raccoon. Also you do realise in that scenario the Empire is wrong. Also shut up about your scenario "what if someone came and killed someone in your family" if you said that to Putin he'd still because criminal evej after that ISL attack and even if they said "we like the Taliban think what Putin is doing is wrong" probably aren't fighting for Ukrainian land gain back as they don't even fly their flag. And if the person killed was Netinahu he'd deserve it. Stop equating innocent civilians with Israel. Like If I said that about Ukraine I'd be cancelled faster then Tucker Carlson.
Even thats hard to determine. Interviews with Hamas members show that some do want the destruction of the Israeli state and people and for a million more Oct 7ths to happen, while others just want regime change and an end to stuff like illegal Israeli settlements, there isn't really a consensus
@osedebame3522 There is. "From the River to the Sea". 'Nuff said... Do NOT be fooled. If Palestine is to be freed, then it is to be freed from Hamas as the son of it's leader said.
Benjamin Netanyahu, leader of Israel's "democracy," has been in power for roughly 20 years. This is due to his hardline militant attitude in regard to defense in the face of threats like Hamas. Hamas has existed since roughly the time Netanyahu took power, and he has been caught secretly supplying them for years. Hamas is neither the empire nor the rebels. They are the Separatists unknowingly aiding the emperor's rise to power.
I really wish people would know basics and fact check before posting. This is just embarrassing. Hamas was created in 1987. Netanyahu was prime minister from 1996-1999, 2009-2021, and 2023-now.
@@ronmaximilian6953 Perhaps I was a bit overzealous its 12 years not 20 and Netanyahu only joined politics around 87. my apologies. The Financial support for Hamas is true though. Look it up.
You should get one of those sports jackets with the leather patches on the elbows. That would suit you. Mess your hair up a bit. A less modern tie. A sort of rumpled academic look.
the freedom fighters are also called 'terrorists'. To many, genocide = terrorism. What Hamas did and what Israel is doing are both one and the same. Except 40,000 for 1200 is the incredibly, unimaginably lopsided.
Hamas only exists in the first place due to the decades by that point - of ethnic cleansing, massacres, and occupation on the part of Israel. Gaza has been a giant concentration camp for nearly two decades and has been subject to absolute massacres every few years committed by their legally recognized occupiers. Armed resistance to occupation is legal under international law, while Israeli legally has no "right to self defense" due to the fact that THEY are the occupiers. Of the atrocities perpetrated by Hamas on Oct 7th - simply pales in comparison to what Israelis done to Gazans for more than half a century. Hell, it pails in comparison to one of the many massacres carried against Gazans, that being "Operation Protective Edge" in 2014, where more almost 25 hundred Palestinians were killed with a civilian-to-combatant kill ratio being close to 90%, where as Hamas killed just over 60 Israelis - with all but three of them being IDF.. As for the taking of hostages, while immoral as shit, (and illegal), Israel has thousands of "hostages", many of who are children who's only crime was throwing some stones at IDF vehicles. Hamas took those hostages in order to use them to trade for Palestinian hostages held by Israel. Add that to shit like the March of Return which was a peaceful demonstration of the siege on Gaza which led to hundreds of unnamed Palestinians being gunned down by Israeli Snipers, with many more wounded or even crippled for life. So, you may not agree with some of the awful shit Hamas has done and whether u disagree with their ideology, they are most certainly a legit resistance org, who attacked/attacks Israel because they're held in an open-air prison that is periodically bombed by their occupiers, and had/has nothing to do with them hating Jews or some shit, (the way mainstream media constantly portrays them of doing).And seeing as how Israel's carrying out a literal genocide against Gazans as we speak, Hamas isn't remotely as big a terrorist organization as the Israel military is. Laying most of - let alone all, of the blame for the awful things they've done - is tantamount to blaming the Jews involved in the Warsaw Ghetto uprising! Imagine arguing that the Ghetto uprising was an "unprovoked attack" against the Nazis!
@elck3 First of all, those numbers are given by Hammas terrorist. They lie about everything. Also, the allies during WW2 firebombed whole cities to beat the NAZI's, killing hundreds of thousands. Are you calling the Allies war criminals? HAMAS is using their own people as human shields. Israel has no choice in order to destroy Hamas.
The people in Palestine have been under violent occupation since 1948. Israel was established by a colonizing force from Europe. The current prime minister of Israel was born in Poland. Most Israelis weren't born in Israel, and the vast majority of the population has two passports. They are colonizers, and have been oppressing the natives. These natives are fighting back and you can call them whatever you want.
I appreciate you tackling this very hard issue. But it's extremely simple: Israel is an occupier, an apartheid regime and has declared it's intent of ethnic cleansing and genocide. If Israel had any moral high ground I ask this: Why are they cutting off food, water and fuel? Why have they targeted Hospitals, Schools and Universities? Why have a record number of journalists, doctors and aid workers been killed.
The side that kills the youngling's is usually the bad guy. If their are shady figures controlling politics behind the scenes they are usually Sith Lords. I thought this was going to be a very different video from the title, sadly the dark side seems to creep into everything.
One major error in your video: the Alliance to restore the Republic (AKA, the Rebellion), isn't the same as the Resistance. You are talking about the Rebellion in your video, not about the Resistance. Yet you name them as such. You are getting them mixed up.
I used the term "resistance" broadly so as to not have to cover the new trilogy. You think the chaos in the comments is bad now? Just wait until I compare Admiral Holdo to a Palestinian.
@@GenerationFilmsHahahahah, That is funny. I stopped reading the comment section after about 2 minutes. People are so emotional. I think you made the right choice. That would have been a doo doo show.
I don't know, the resistance pick a fight it could not win and then cry to the space UN because they were losing? no? then they are nothing at all like palestine.
Props for having the stones to tackle this. I think this most recent leg of the wider Israel/Palestine conflict has shown that amongst progressives, and to a lesser extent, leftists more generally, politics and ideology has been beaten down to simple mantras and stripped of all nuance. Anyone who can be perceived as weak, oppressed, colonized, or marginalized is inherently righteous and anything they do or say can be considered legitimate resistance. The views they espouse, values they hold, and the acts they commit simply don't matter, because they are the victim in the equation and therefore the good guys. Anyone who can be perceived as strong, as an oppressor, or as a colonizer is inherently evil and in the wrong. Any acts committed against them are justified, viewed as legitimate resistance, no matter how horrific or evil. It's a binary mindset, where either position occupies the extremes, and by it's very design leaves no room for nuance or debate. This is why it's so easy for folks to go 'well, you supported the resistance in all these films, thus you should be supporting Hamas and/or Gazans in this conflict'. And for anyone reading this, composing their angry response in their head- No, I'm not an Israel apologist, nor am I a right wing extremist, or any other thing you may be considering hurling at me. I have plenty of criticisms or Israel, both their conduct outside this current war and with how they've prosecuted this current war. I also have plenty of criticisms of both left and right wing ideologies, and personally don't identify with any current political party or faction.
Nice video. I always appreciate seeing some sanity brought to this topic. I can't get over how people with liberal values can support the most violent reactionaries on Earth
The day when zionists will understand that people support the palestinian people and not Hamas will change everything, but they wont ever understand it, it's too convenient to say the opposite
Are you talking about Hamas, Netanyahu’s regime or both? Here’s the deal. Liberals generally don’t support Imperialism, wars nor reactionaries. So, they are both on our S list.
I know, these pro palestine types make the wildest things up. Remember when they were trying to claim that Jesus was palestinian? or that Moses was, or that the jews came from Europe and had no claim at all to Judea.
Hey Ben idk if you are familiar with the 1980s movie series called V and follow-up tv show. I'd love to see you do a video on it. It's a really cool piece of film history about reptilian aliens taking over the earth to use humans as a food source and the human rebellion fighting with gorilla warfare. I think they made a newer series based on it. But the original was super cool, I cant really speak on the newer one. Even if you dont want to do a video i highly recommend watching it, I think you would really enjoy it. ❤
He said HE doesn't support combatants in FOREIGN conflicts: He may not as an individual support those conflicts They aren't "foreign conflicts" if your domestic military is officially involved
Love your work, Ben. Astonished by this though ... on the one hand, you make the neocon argument for justified aggression at a moment when not only American democracy but also Israeli democracy is in such a sorry state, and the scale of that aggression has disgusted the world. On the other hand, it was wise not to have written any poetry about it, not sure it would age well.
Nothing in Star Wars is like anything in real life. The rebels are not like the American colonists against Britain. The rebels are not like the confederates against the union. They are not even like Gaul against the Roman Empire, or any other people against the Roman Empire. They are not like the White Russians against the red Russians. They are not even like Robin Hood vs the Sheriff of Nottingham.
First off, good to see you again, American Ben. There's a lot of people with very little knowledge beyond headlines losing there minds here. Personally, I find your take to be well done, but a bit restrained. Then again, if Saw's partisans did what Hamas AND the Gazan civilians did on October 7th, they couldn't be shown on film, and certainly not on youtube. Stay strong, don't let the trolls get you down.
What are some good examples of works so badly written that you side with the designated antagonist? I know I liked the Kree better than Captain Marvel!
It is not the same type of conflict. In Star Wars, rebels are those who fight against the dictator to restore democracy, not people who want to free themselves from the domination of a foreign power or ethnicity.
It's not foreign, the israelis are the natives of the land, being there for the last 2500 years. The Palestinians are colonizers that moved in recently
@@maarekstele2998 Imagine thinking non-action after a terroristic attack is "peace". That totally wouldn't result in hundreds more terroristic attacks. Not like the terrorists didn't explicitly said they wanted to do just that.
@@CrimsonDRagon-bi9ceyou have no idea what you are talking about and Israel’s action will only result in horrible deaths for Palestinians while at the same time Israel becomes a pariah state and more and more people realize how terrible it is.
@@demitri2510 Just because YOU don't have any idea what I'm talking about doesn't mean I don't. Hamas has publicly stated that they will do a hundred more October sevens. Israel's action is going to cause deaths in Hamas, which is Palestinian. There's going to be CIVILIAN deaths because Hamas regularly uses human shields and operates on what is usually civilian areas. And since you're ignorant I'll just state a pretty universal fact. The overwhelming majority of the anti-Israel faction comes from extremists from both the far left and the far right. Usually groups with 'Death to America/Jews' slogans.
The thing is, Palestinians and Hamas are not the same thing. So no, the resistance is not like the palestinians, because the palestinians are an unarmed people being "exterminated" (ONU). Hamas is as of today basically an excuse to conduct this extermination, their leaders arent in Palestine, a lot of " Hamas bases" or things like that just dont exist (we all remember the "there's a list" thing), and there's far more civilians being killed than Hamas fighters, and I'm not even counting NGO members or litteral israelians hostages. Israel, however, is definitely the empire : brutal and militarist using the excuse of security and freedom, racist (to the point of sterilizing ethiopian jewish women), and not hesitating to exterminate a people by saying that they protected terrorists
Palestinians voted Ham as into power with over 70% of the vote, despite Ham as being openly gen o' sidal from its conception. Palestinians ARE t error because lsIam is t error.
@@fabiofernandes9122 They elected them 20 years ago, with a short majority, and a majority of people today in Gaza weren't old enough to vote anyway. So what, because a minority of today's population voted for them 20 years ago and couldn't since (and if they could vote they wouldn't vote for them, as Hamas was quite impopular amongst palestinians before the 7th of october) it justifies an extermination and the worst rate of civilian death for any conflit in the last 3 years combined ?
@@InestimableFlorivore what a naive comment. the people who voted 20 years ago had children of their own and passed down their values to their kids whitch eventualy their kids passed down their hamas values to their kids. hamas is extremely popular both in gaza and the west bank, plus hamas indoctrinates their civilians through schools,media etc. just like every dictatorship does and has done throughout history. a government is a reflection of the majority of the population and it cannot exist without the support of the majority of the population.
@@InestimableFlorivore my comment got deleted so ill say it again. the people who voted for hamas 20 years ago had children of their own had passed down their values to their kids whitch eventualy their kids also had children and passed down their hamas values to their kids. hamas is extremely popular in both gaza and the west bank, plus hamas indoctrinates their civilians through schools, media etc just like every dictatorship does and has done throughout history. a government is a reflection of the majority of the people in the government and it cannot exist without the support of the majority of the people there.
As an Aussie jew, I'm very impressed and glad that you clearly did your research on the modern conflict, and didn't fall into the mental clutches of Hamas supporter's lies. I was insistent to click on the video out of fear it would be just another "look hamas are underdogs therefore heroes" bullshittery that is rampant across the internet and irl.I was pleasantly surprised
A critique of your video, bare in mind I am antizionist: I watched it twice and recognize some interesting examples of the link between a government and a rebellious force in media. I still had trouble linking these examples you gave and your own analysis. Throughout the video, one could not properly determine which arguments powered your conclusions, as you subfterfuged the cohesion of these thesis of yours. At the end, with your (not inherently bad) bias towards American and Western values, it became clear that the conclusion would satisfy Israel apologia. Of course 11 minutes is insufficient to concatenate evidence and settle any discussion, but as an invitation to the analogy of Israel ad the empire and Palastine as the resistance, I would have enjoyed the video more if you would have stated your biased from the very beginning, saving some viewers like me quite some energy trying to incorporate your thesis examples and not be manipulated by some of your fallacious statements. Now here are some counter arguments: Democracy can be flawed. Israel is not a complete democracy. In fact, it is one of the counter arguments to why Israel has been a failed state. Terrorism is abhorrent, yes. A state or nation can be terrorist as well, and use its propaganda to defend itself. Star Wars pre Disney has a different concept of what the rebellion values were. I was hoping you tackle these differences in the evolution of rebel to resistance timeframe in the Palestine-Israel timeframe, for example. Somehow you concluded that Israel is not part of the American hegemonic power of influence, I guess in order to argue that Israel's democratic process is independent, not sure. When you incited the thoughts that like the republic, Israel also allows for religious and freedom of opinion and so on, I managed to finally understand your neoliberal values. Please don't forget that Israel has been trying to be an ethnostate from the very beginning of the Zionist idea. The Empire in SW does evolve and has stages of both internal and external machinations. I got from the video that sometimes, because the empire analogy was the USA, Israel is not akin. There is a failure of mixture of both recognition and fallacy of proportionality in your analysis. On the other hand, you argued that Palestine fails to try to restructure what the SW republic values are. Yes, correct, but that is not a point in favour of Israel's apartheid occupation. Even after removing the religious values in every faction, the social values are still there and it should be clear that Israel is constantly dominant because it undermines the humanity of others. Not only palestinians, historically also other ethnicities. Lets bot foeget that this conflict is basically not religious in nature, but sociopolitical. Of course the religious values apply, yes, as in any anthropological issue. But the power struggle is and has been a political occupation in a postcolonial (20th century) period. There is a lack of proper palestinian diplomatic structure and leadership, yes. This is vastly different to what happens in Star Wars and I think here you could have organized your arguments much better. Does this diminish the moral struggle, no, I don't believe it, just as Andor still holds value in it's somewhat headless Rebellion, or Poe in it's relatively minute Resistance group. To answer the title question, I dont think it's a 1 to 1 link. Palestine rebels have an unmoral violent reactive approach. Palestine citizens suffer from a lack of political support, diplomatic intention, and receive the hypocritical crumbs of Western Hegemonic powers. And Israel is not THE Empire, but it has been acting as an Apartheid state and incurrs in repeated genocide under the protection of a greater military might and other nations that see in Israel a geopolitical and historically important ally, and prefer it's mini imperialism than the Palestinian humanity resolution. ❤ much love, thank you for providing the video as an avenue for discussion.
You never went into the reasons why they’re fighting. That’s a very big part. All you did was summate “Israel western and good. Hamas authoritarian and bad.”
*Grabs popcorn and scrolls to the comment section*
To be fair this discussion promises to be more entertaining than the last 10 years of star wars products
You're welcome
I’m honestly not sure that the topic was really ever tackled in this vid. However in movies like ‘The Matrix’, ‘Hunger Games’, et al people are rooting for the underdog which just happen to be the resistance element in these films. Now look at ‘Rocky IV’, sure everyone was on Rocky’s side because he’s Rocky and he’s American but it was also because he was facing a seemingly insurmountable odds against an dominant opponent. Hence the underdog aspect. It’s not the “resistance” label so much as the underdog that viewers are behind.
Agree. Good point. I spoke to that quickly, but wanted to focus on political values.
@@GenerationFilms Currently Isreal represents genocidal political values. They are committing genocide in Gaza.
@@GenerationFilms I hear ya, perhaps a follow up or longer vid would’ve allowed you to fully address all of the angles. It’s an interesting topic to be sure that I personally would’ve still watched it if it was longer. I’m not knocking you, I’m just lending my expanded viewpoint.
As a matter of fact, there are MANY instances in fiction where those in "La Resistance" are the bad guys.
What do I mean?
Criminals and Supervillains, they're _resisting_ the Law...
Aint no way they made this the video discussion my god
Nah, George Lucas said it was Vietnamese communists
Like not one time, but at least 5 or 6, on camera or to be print, like an actual declaration (and that…was James Cameron wasn’t he?)
You mean the Ewoks?
@@eds1942 yeah sure, search James Cameron and George Lucas discuss Star Wars, obviously talking about The Ewoks all the time
@@carlosreyes2954 The Ewoks are based on the Viet Cong.
@@eds1942 yeah, not like everyone in the analogy work out for that
This is why I don't mix fictional groups and factions with the real world factions and groups. Because it's a lot messier and muddy in the real world than in a fictional setting, using fictional factions as stand ins or allegories of real world groups always ends up messy. Especially when it's a hot topic at the moment.
But I will say in the Gaza conflict both sides are covered in mud and can't claim the moral high ground.
Israel literally admitted that watch the video by Owen Jones also Hamas isn't part of Palestine the separated themselves from the Palestinian government, and by Jewish state you've been the only state and no other state which is probably diversify the stage because if side your way back was the only Muslim state you couldn't even blame them for anything including 9/11. Seriously how sick are people. Also watch their updated charter in 2017. And this state was built on occupied Palestine at least find a place and don't occupy it all. And Israel did Muxh much worse sing angel can't do anything wrong because it's a stated like saying America can't ban abortion or was I can't even read Ukraine or commit a genocide in Ukraine when it was charged with genocide and we where saying Putin as acting like Hitler to Ukranians or America can't invade Iraq. The argument of Israel has a right defend himself from unprovoked the cat fell after the 6 daywar when it is illegally occupying land. You're right of Israel is defending itself is the same as that bad guy when the raccoon in guardian of the galaxy said you killed right to defend against the raccoon. Also you do realise in that scenario the Empire is wrong.
Also shut up about your scenario "what if someone came and killed someone in your family" if you said that to Putin he'd still because criminal evej after that ISL attack and even if they said "we like the Taliban think what Putin is doing is wrong" probably aren't fighting for Ukrainian land gain back as they don't even fly their flag.
And if the person killed was Netinahu he'd deserve it.
Stop equating innocent civilians with Israel.
Like If I said that about Ukraine I'd be cancelled faster then Tucker Carlson.
Word.
Art/cinema is inherently propaganda. It's meant to make you feel a certain way and our brain usually purposely dumbs down its critical thinking capacities in order to feel the movie and the message and highten the sensual experience.
The real world is covered in blood, different sides, inconsistencies hypocrisy. Even when looking at arguably one of the most black and white conflicts of the real world it's still gritty.
You had moustache Germany which was genocidal, fighting against:
- the USSR which was a totalitarian mass murder machine.
-the British empire which was a genocidal empire that spread death around the globe and actually just went to war because they felt like their dominance was threatened
The USA who literally were a 150 year old nation that was build by genocidal criminals who exterminated the local population and forced them in ghettos and only got into the war because their elites realised the opportunity of becoming the center of the world after everyone else bashed their heads.
All of these countries were a threat to the world in their own right yet movies present what they want to present.
If you really want to blame then blame Hamas and the Israel Gov. But the citizens are innocent. Though the Palestinians are the true victims who are being bombed. The ones in Israel are mostly safe for now.
@@jameschristopher2540 I don't blame the average citizens, I blame the governments and the media who help push these wars.
@@RomanHistoryFan476AD then ignore my comment. I guess I misinterpreted your comment.
In before this video gets deleted
Lol
Interesting...its still here..
This guy is flying directly into the sun
11:29 I think the UN and every single humanitarian org might disagree with that one
Those entities have zero credibility.
@@bmo8169 Because you don't like them disapproving of Israel?
The military leader of Hamas has said he believes he has gained the upper hand over Israel and that the spiralling civilian death toll in Gaza would work in the militant group’s favor, according to a report by the Wall Street Journal, citing leaked messages the newspaper said it had seen.
“We have the Israelis right where we want them,” Yahya Sinwar told other Hamas leaders recently, according to one of the messages, the WSJ reported Monday. In another, Sinwar is said to have described civilian deaths as “necessary sacrifices” while citing past independence-related conflicts in countries like Algeria.
You know, I bet that there will be an nice and polite discussion in the comment section. I'm just getting popcorn right now to prepare to read the lately thought provoking opinions that people writes on the internet.
I'm not sure I made the right decision in making this video and yet I'm going to sit back and take in the chaos with pleasure.
@@GenerationFilms Nevertheless, your opinion is appreciated.
@@GenerationFilmsI will be honest. I strongly disagree with the message given within this video. It’s been 8 months of constant live footage from the grounds of Gaza. There’s are millions of Jewish people who stand with the Palestinians. From the river to the Sea. Palestine will be free🇵🇸🍉
Actually Lucas said the Empire was in fact supposed to represent the US and the rebels were Vietnamese, seeing as how the first SW film came merely four or so years following the end of the Vietnam War.
I think he meant in terms of tactics and strategy, unless he is implying that the rebellion is going to install a communist dictatorship post victory.
Which it really didn't show. He made SW based on flash gordon and dune and was asked for a deeper basis for it. And pretty much vomitted up Vietnam IMO
@@gups4963 That very well was the reality, lol, i just know that that is something he once said so do with that what you will.
@@8301TheJMan I never contested he said it, just that is was BS. Make of that what you will lol
@@gups4963 Your prolly right, no one wants t admit that their biggest artistic endeavor has about as much depth as a single sheet paper lol. So i wouldn't surprised if he just made that up after the fact
Luke never unalived babies or did evil things to the corpses of women.
Solid point!
The title and thumbnail of the video is absolutely disgusting.... insinuating that Jewish people are tyrants and that Palestinians are the poor lowly targets of a universal evil is absolutely vile....
I am pretty sure both sides in the conflict have done that tho.
@@GenerationFilmsthank you. There are good and bad people on both sides. However we do have to acknowledge that there is a certain line that when crossed, there is no coming back from. Alderaan was a line that the empire could not come back from. What Hamas did on 10-7 was a line similar to Alderaan.
I don't think Luke ever did anything to any woman, other than kissing his sister
I agree with parts of this video and disagree with others. Hamas and groups like it are not to be lauded. It attempted a genocide of the subaltern against the Israelis on Oct 7 and though the oppression the Palestinians face is horrendous, it cannot justify crimes against humanity. The solution to oppression is not genocide. Moreover, we have to stop giving oppressed groups a pass to do whatever they want because they are oppressed. That is how this started in the first place, people justified Israels crimes against Palestinians because of the Holocaust. There is a quote from the author of Maus, who is the child of a Holocaust survivor. "suffering doesn’t make you better, it just makes you suffer!" Whenever people try to say who is right in this or any conflict, they say "well look what we wenr through!". All groups have suffered and all groups have made terrible mistakes. Speaking of, what Israel is doing right now is a genocide of the Gazan people. The whole world recognizes it as such including the ICJ (who also called out Hamas' crimes). You can try to make the argument that the current loss of civilian life is due to unfortunate collateral damage, all 40,000+ of them, but if this is the case, then the IDF is massively incompetent and by continuing its operations in Gaza without major replanning to reduce civilian casualties, it is still guilty by negligence. You say Israel is a democracy but it is currently nowhere near that, as Netanyahu and his allies are backsliding the country into authoritarianism and the US is doing little to stop it and is in fact supporting the current administration despite its crimes and its assault on democracy. I think we need to stop hollywoodising conflicts like this, and if thats what this video is trying to get across, I definitely agree. It is way too easy to propagandize complicated situations when you try to force it to fit a hollywood "good guy vs bad guy" mold, and Ive seen way too many people try to justify ghastly atrocities on both sides because of it.
A well balanced perspective! 👍
Oh boy, i sure hope there will be nothing but civil and respectful discourse in the comments...
Who said we would all side with the resistance? Empire all the way! Palpatine did nothing wrong.
Nah, there were a couple of things he did wrong. He was way too confident in the power and skill of Anakin Skywalker to outduel Obi-wan Kenobi. He was also too confident in Luke's ability to resist turning to the dark side and his influence on his father.
Strange that people think the same of hamas.
Just want to point out that there are more comments than likes or dislikes on this video. Just an observation.
Right out of the bat, not supporting the Israeli invasion of Gaza, does not mean support for Hamas, it's support for the inocent palestian civillians caught innthe middle of a conflict, in there own land! And people need to see that distinction!
It is hard to see a foe as human and treat them humanely when they aren't acting the part. Brutality begets more brutality.
"...and I killed them like animals!!" ~ Anakin Skywalker
Wait, which one is The Acolyte? Hamas or the IDF? Or are they both the twins? I won't be finishing the show and I'll probably wait to find out who wins the Gaza war till after I finish Andore, which is way down on my watch list 🤓
That's an interesting metaphor... 👁👄👁
the acolyte is just garbage, lol
How much more Star Wars do we need
Dude why
Well said, rationally and actually true. Dislikes are from the irrational and pathologically unhinged. Don't let the haters grind you down.
So, I want to just drop an anecdote here.
My aunt, born in Iraq, was relocated at a young age of 6 or 7 in 1950-1960 or so to Isreal by the zionist political movement.
She grew up being spit upon by both Muslims and Jews as an Arab Jew.
After migrating to America (in the 1960's) and working as a mediator between the US and Yassir Arrifat's Palestinian government, I've learned that all of this is just a crap situation.
You have people that just want to live (without Hamas) and people that just want to enjoy their Jewish state (but don't look "Isreali") all suffering due to, well, jackasses.
This is significantly more complex than Star Wars, or any science fiction I am aware of in the cinematic world.
Cool to push back against someone having an oversimplification.
You've also oversimplified the problem though.
This is a LOT of grey. With a lot of folks folks caught in a crossfire they can't evade.
This point seems to have been diminished in you rebuttal against, well, a troll.
Keep calm, and think of, ya know, the innocent.
The very idea that being pro Palastinian means being pro Hamas is almost laughably horrible.
A Majority of Israeli Jews are Mizrahi and Sephardi coming from countries that are Muslim. There is no official discrimination and while things certainly aren't perfect, they don't live under review apartheid like conditions of Dhimmitude.
@@ronmaximilian6953 exactly. racism exists everywhere. what matters is how widespread it is, and how the state deals with it
So, the following armed conflicts are taking place around the world: Russo-Ukraine War, Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, Internal Conflict in Myanmar, Armed Rebellion in the Maghreb (2002-present), Sudan War, Somali Civil War, Mexican Drug War, Syrian civil war, the Boko Haram insurgency, the Yemeni civil war and a total of more than 45 other conflicts. I'd also like to see how you connect to Spider-Man or Batman movies. 👌
Uh, what?
Star wars is about fighting empires, mah dude.
@@gicotrainaGeorge Lucas ment the movie to fight to protect our democracy not support terrorists
@@Rcampo42 you should probably check out who inspired the rebels and the ewoks, friend
@@Rcampo42 imagine being a star wars fan and falling for Empire propaganda. Also we do not have a democracy, at least not a functioning/just/moral one.
@@Rcampo42 Brother Israel stole our nuclear secrets and weapon schematics and sold them to China and Spied on our President.
When was the resistance in STAR WARS threatening genocide….and ACTING on those threats?Seriously, when??????????
Saw Gerrera did, he was part of the extremist rebels and show that the rebellion wasn't not only done by goodwill ppl.
You're extremely uninformed if you think it's that "black and white".
From the river to the sea started as an Israeli chant. They've clearly and unequivocally stated their intent of eradicating or cleansing Gazans.
But please just answer this:
Why did they cut food, water and fuel to 2.2 mill people when they know that the bad guys are knly about 30-40.000 thousand?
If that's not terror and genocide, I fail to see what is. History didn't start October 7th.
You need to read up instead of repeating BS bullet points from a media that is wholly in bed with the narrative the government wants to sell you.
Remember Iraq? How they sold the lies and called everyone against it traitors? This is the exact same thing. You're being convinced to support evil, but thinking that you're morally justified.
Nothing can justify what Israel is doing to an already impoverished people that have been occupied their entire lives.
You mean like Israel's doing?
@@inquisitorvarusnavary7126which is why the alliance hated him
What genocide did Hamas threaten? And when did they act on those threats?
4 hours after posting and just 211 comments; seems reasonable.
There is entirely too much nuanced judgement in this script to produce the roaring blaze I was expecting.
**sigh** ... Click baited again!!
i love ytou and your content so much dude, you have no idea, the balls to upload this let alone say such things you did shows such amazing guts and such determinatuon and thourough understanding in not only the star was universe but america itself shows how truly american you are and it is so amazing and influencial
I love you too bro
Yah...supporting the NPC current day thing is so brave and so much stunning.
Love the objective view of the video!
love your content
Love you
I can answer the proposed question "Is the Resistance in Star Wars Like Palestinians in Gaza".
Hell fucking NO!!!!!
Star wars is a case where i think we maybe shouldnt think too hard about comparing it to real life.
Hey Ben, I'm proud of you for being willing to discuss the topic and express your honest opinions regardless of what other people might think. It's a messy subject. And I know you're gonna get a lot of hate for it. But when we can't talk about a subject out of fear then we'll have lost something very important. Don't let anyone take that from you!
Thanks dude. Really appreciate it.
The only thing people need to understand, or piece of information they need, to come to irrational conclusion is.... There are Muslim citizens in israeli-controlled territory. They live normal lives. They hold positions of power in the Israeli Senata, and even in their police force and military. Likewise there is not a single Jewish citizen in any of the Muslim controlled territory like in the gaza strip, or Egypt, or Iran. Not a single one. Well unless you're a hostage. But they're not owning businesses and leading healthy lives. That's the only distinction that needs to be made. Muslims are able to live comfortably, and at peace in Israeli areas. While Israelites cannot do the same in the surrounding Muslim territories. That's it. No ifs ands or buts. There's no argument to be pressed against that. Which is why that fact is greatly ignored with a powerful effort.
yeah, it was a speech in the UN council some years ago, they couldnt answer at all.
Jews lived under a ritual Jim Crow in Muslim lands for 14 centuries for almost were expelled after 1948 and 1967. The vast majority moved to Israel, where the young and small state absorbed and assimilated them. Arab Nations refuse to grant citizenship to Palestinians, who largely live under apartheid conditions in Arab countries. That was one of the causes of the Lebanese Civil War
You have absolutely no effin no clue what ur talking about!! The reason there aren't Jews living in Gaza is because its a literal concentration camp that has no sovereignty over his airspace or water-ways, and instead has to rely entirely on what Israel allows in or out of Gaza with only the rarest of exceptions - no Palestinian is allowed to leave the strip! In Israel proper there are more than 60 different laws and civil mandates that deliberately discriminate against it's Palestinian minority. And as we speak Israel is carrying out an effin genocide my man! Go read some books for fuck's sake, (prefferably written orks from experts like Norman Finkelstein, Max Blumenthal, Ilan Pappe, Miko Peled, or Edward Said, Chris Hedges, or Gideon Levy). Hell, just go watch any of the many talks/interviews by those guys on TH-cam! I mean seriously man, what a profoundly stupid take, smh
Arabs living in Israel are barred from living in certain areas which are "Jewish only", not to mention that entire villages have been forcibly displaced by Israel even though they were Israeli citizens. Israel is an apartheid. Just look at the west bank or Gaza. Not to mention what they did to Ethiopian Jews.
@@redacted3740 source? Or is just a trust me bro?
I stg western progressivism in present day is just getting upset about the fact that power differentials exist and axiomatically assuming that a group with less power than another is innocent and pure and good and deserves special treatment
Having more power and exercising that power to oppress a group of people for 80 years after stealing their land. I would say you're completely ignorant of the situation.
@@sammalama show me a single square inch of inhabited land which has never been stolen
And I don't think Israel can claim any kind of moral high ground since theyve basically made Gaza an open air prison but let's not pretend that Palestinian leadership has ever been an advocate for peaceful coexistence either
@@dm-rj2zg Well if you want to use that line of reasoning then I can't disagree. Every place in the world has at one point been invaded, and conquered.
My issue here is that Israel portrays themselves as self righteous, and pretend they aren't a colonizing force to the rest of the world.
The vast majority of Palestinians don't want to co-exist, they want what they know to be their land back. So I agree with you on that point as well.
Dude this channel has repeatedly argued that genocide was a good thing in media it covers
Like, completely ignoring the authors themes in things like Ender's Game. "Nonono Im saying doing these horrible things are okay not against humans [Us] but when its against aliens[Them]"
He’s alive
Nope. AI generated.
@@GenerationFilms I thought they cloned you.
Somehow he returned
If the resistance like to throw gays from high places.
Nope I don't remember the resistance in Star Wars digging tunnels killing innocent people taking hostages and wanting to kill all imperials the rebels just wanted to go back to their usual corrupt system they had before the empire.
Israel literally admitted that watch the video by Owen Jones also Hamas isn't part of Palestine the separated themselves from the Palestinian government, and by Jewish state you've been the only state and no other state which is probably diversify the stage because if side your way back was the only Muslim state you couldn't even blame them for anything including 9/11. Seriously how sick are people. Also watch their updated charter in 2017. And this state was built on occupied Palestine at least find a place and don't occupy it all. And Israel did Muxh much worse sing angel can't do anything wrong because it's a stated like saying America can't ban abortion or was I can't even read Ukraine or commit a genocide in Ukraine when it was charged with genocide and we where saying Putin as acting like Hitler to Ukranians or America can't invade Iraq. The argument of Israel has a right defend himself from unprovoked the cat fell after the 6 daywar when it is illegally occupying land. You're right of Israel is defending itself is the same as that bad guy when the raccoon in guardian of the galaxy said you killed right to defend against the raccoon. Also you do realise in that scenario the Empire is wrong.
Also shut up about your scenario "what if someone came and killed someone in your family" if you said that to Putin he'd still because criminal evej after that ISL attack and even if they said "we like the Taliban think what Putin is doing is wrong" probably aren't fighting for Ukrainian land gain back as they don't even fly their flag.
And if the person killed was Netinahu he'd deserve it.
Stop equating innocent civilians with Israel.
Like If I said that about Ukraine I'd be cancelled faster then Tucker Carlson.
No I'm pretty sure they did that
You know like all those people on the Death Star probably not all of them supported what Palpatine wanted to do
@@Purple_crustacean Very true some people on the death Star was interested in making money for their family but that is true everywhere.
I'm not actually gonna watch this one, but by golly -- that's a bold video choice.
Haha thanks 🤷🏼♂️
Not bold, you don't get cancelled for supporting the znasty's.
Not sure.
Does the Jedi want to annihilate their foe?
If Hamas or Hezbollah had the means to destroy Israel, would they do it?
Even thats hard to determine. Interviews with Hamas members show that some do want the destruction of the Israeli state and people and for a million more Oct 7ths to happen, while others just want regime change and an end to stuff like illegal Israeli settlements, there isn't really a consensus
@osedebame3522
There is.
"From the River to the Sea". 'Nuff said...
Do NOT be fooled. If Palestine is to be freed, then it is to be freed from Hamas as the son of it's leader said.
LOL what a title, can't wait to see the comment section
Benjamin Netanyahu, leader of Israel's "democracy," has been in power for roughly 20 years. This is due to his hardline militant attitude in regard to defense in the face of threats like Hamas.
Hamas has existed since roughly the time Netanyahu took power, and he has been caught secretly supplying them for years. Hamas is neither the empire nor the rebels. They are the Separatists unknowingly aiding the emperor's rise to power.
I really wish people would know basics and fact check before posting. This is just embarrassing. Hamas was created in 1987. Netanyahu was prime minister from 1996-1999, 2009-2021, and 2023-now.
@@ronmaximilian6953 Perhaps I was a bit overzealous its 12 years not 20 and Netanyahu only joined politics around 87. my apologies. The Financial support for Hamas is true though. Look it up.
You should get one of those sports jackets with the leather patches on the elbows. That would suit you. Mess your hair up a bit. A less modern tie. A sort of rumpled academic look.
Praying for Christians in Nigeria being unalived by "the religion of resistance" 🙏🇳🇬😢✝️
If anything I pray for everyone including the renegade nations to find the lord
10:57 and comet’s war crimes
The resistance is based off of real freedom fighters no the terrorist conclave in GAZA.
the freedom fighters are also called 'terrorists'. To many, genocide = terrorism. What Hamas did and what Israel is doing are both one and the same. Except 40,000 for 1200 is the incredibly, unimaginably lopsided.
Hamas only exists in the first place due to the decades by that point - of ethnic cleansing, massacres, and occupation on the part of Israel. Gaza has been a giant concentration camp for nearly two decades and has been subject to absolute massacres every few years committed by their legally recognized occupiers. Armed resistance to occupation is legal under international law, while Israeli legally has no "right to self defense" due to the fact that THEY are the occupiers. Of the atrocities perpetrated by Hamas on Oct 7th - simply pales in comparison to what Israelis done to Gazans for more than half a century. Hell, it pails in comparison to one of the many massacres carried against Gazans, that being "Operation Protective Edge" in 2014, where more almost 25 hundred Palestinians were killed with a civilian-to-combatant kill ratio being close to 90%, where as Hamas killed just over 60 Israelis - with all but three of them being IDF.. As for the taking of hostages, while immoral as shit, (and illegal), Israel has thousands of "hostages", many of who are children who's only crime was throwing some stones at IDF vehicles. Hamas took those hostages in order to use them to trade for Palestinian hostages held by Israel. Add that to shit like the March of Return which was a peaceful demonstration of the siege on Gaza which led to hundreds of unnamed Palestinians being gunned down by Israeli Snipers, with many more wounded or even crippled for life.
So, you may not agree with some of the awful shit Hamas has done and whether u disagree with their ideology, they are most certainly a legit resistance org, who attacked/attacks Israel because they're held in an open-air prison that is periodically bombed by their occupiers, and had/has nothing to do with them hating Jews or some shit, (the way mainstream media constantly portrays them of doing).And seeing as how Israel's carrying out a literal genocide against Gazans as we speak, Hamas isn't remotely as big a terrorist organization as the Israel military is. Laying most of - let alone all, of the blame for the awful things they've done - is tantamount to blaming the Jews involved in the Warsaw Ghetto uprising! Imagine arguing that the Ghetto uprising was an "unprovoked attack" against the Nazis!
well put
@elck3 First of all, those numbers are given by Hammas terrorist. They lie about everything. Also, the allies during WW2 firebombed whole cities to beat the NAZI's, killing hundreds of thousands. Are you calling the Allies war criminals? HAMAS is using their own people as human shields. Israel has no choice in order to destroy Hamas.
The people in Palestine have been under violent occupation since 1948. Israel was established by a colonizing force from Europe. The current prime minister of Israel was born in Poland. Most Israelis weren't born in Israel, and the vast majority of the population has two passports. They are colonizers, and have been oppressing the natives. These natives are fighting back and you can call them whatever you want.
Atleast the resistance didnt fake spam vids of people being injured by the empire
At least the empire didn't pay people to write propaganda like you've just posted
@@redacted3740 Pallywood productions has a fan!? Damn guess they do have a audience
@@sa80slayer85 call it Pallywood all you like, it's still a better source of information than your hasbara 🤣
@@redacted3740 ill be sure to remember that when mr fafo posts himself being a patient or doctor or father or hamas terrorist or journalist
@@sa80slayer85”this right here, this, this is a list” remember that Israeli hasbara about a calendar 😂 way to be brainwashed
I appreciate you tackling this very hard issue.
But it's extremely simple: Israel is an occupier, an apartheid regime and has declared it's intent of ethnic cleansing and genocide.
If Israel had any moral high ground I ask this:
Why are they cutting off food, water and fuel? Why have they targeted Hospitals, Schools and Universities? Why have a record number of journalists, doctors and aid workers been killed.
Thank you, nice to see someone with an understanding of this situation
The side that kills the youngling's is usually the bad guy. If their are shady figures controlling politics behind the scenes they are usually Sith Lords. I thought this was going to be a very different video from the title, sadly the dark side seems to creep into everything.
@@dogzdigital misinformation is one of Israel's primary exports
@@dogzdigital misinformation seems to be Israel's primary export these days
Maybe Saw's partisans? Once a good intention, only to become a menace to everyone.
Saw is more likely Menachem Begun, while when it comes to organisations the P. are more like the first order.
@@bgcvetanthat’s so off base it’s wild.
@@demitri2510 P. hide their faces, so does too the First Order.
Hamas never had good intentions and always worked to worsen Gaza Israeli relations
One major error in your video: the Alliance to restore the Republic (AKA, the Rebellion), isn't the same as the Resistance. You are talking about the Rebellion in your video, not about the Resistance. Yet you name them as such. You are getting them mixed up.
I used the term "resistance" broadly so as to not have to cover the new trilogy. You think the chaos in the comments is bad now? Just wait until I compare Admiral Holdo to a Palestinian.
@@GenerationFilmsHahahahah, That is funny. I stopped reading the comment section after about 2 minutes. People are so emotional. I think you made the right choice. That would have been a doo doo show.
best star wars content presently!
Haha low bar though!
I have always thought of Saw Gerrera partasan fights being like Hamas.
I don't know, the resistance pick a fight it could not win and then cry to the space UN because they were losing? no? then they are nothing at all like palestine.
Stop supporting Genocide.
Also, the UN told Israel to stop bombing safe zones, and they threatened to leave.
SPACE UN LOL
@@wonghy1115 Yeah they do love their dictatorial "rebel" alliance types.
@@generalnawaki UN tries not to be cartoonishly evil and corrupt challenge (impossible)
Props for having the stones to tackle this. I think this most recent leg of the wider Israel/Palestine conflict has shown that amongst progressives, and to a lesser extent, leftists more generally, politics and ideology has been beaten down to simple mantras and stripped of all nuance. Anyone who can be perceived as weak, oppressed, colonized, or marginalized is inherently righteous and anything they do or say can be considered legitimate resistance. The views they espouse, values they hold, and the acts they commit simply don't matter, because they are the victim in the equation and therefore the good guys. Anyone who can be perceived as strong, as an oppressor, or as a colonizer is inherently evil and in the wrong. Any acts committed against them are justified, viewed as legitimate resistance, no matter how horrific or evil. It's a binary mindset, where either position occupies the extremes, and by it's very design leaves no room for nuance or debate. This is why it's so easy for folks to go 'well, you supported the resistance in all these films, thus you should be supporting Hamas and/or Gazans in this conflict'.
And for anyone reading this, composing their angry response in their head- No, I'm not an Israel apologist, nor am I a right wing extremist, or any other thing you may be considering hurling at me. I have plenty of criticisms or Israel, both their conduct outside this current war and with how they've prosecuted this current war. I also have plenty of criticisms of both left and right wing ideologies, and personally don't identify with any current political party or faction.
Jokes on them I side with the Empire
Nice video. I always appreciate seeing some sanity brought to this topic.
I can't get over how people with liberal values can support the most violent reactionaries on Earth
Lucas has liberal values.
The day when zionists will understand that people support the palestinian people and not Hamas will change everything, but they wont ever understand it, it's too convenient to say the opposite
Are you talking about Hamas, Netanyahu’s regime or both?
Here’s the deal. Liberals generally don’t support Imperialism, wars nor reactionaries.
So, they are both on our S list.
Both governments are reactionary btw, most people just want an actual solution to this 70 year-long conflict.
Bro…
I know, these pro palestine types make the wildest things up. Remember when they were trying to claim that Jesus was palestinian? or that Moses was, or that the jews came from Europe and had no claim at all to Judea.
I support Raytheon!
Hey Ben idk if you are familiar with the 1980s movie series called V and follow-up tv show. I'd love to see you do a video on it. It's a really cool piece of film history about reptilian aliens taking over the earth to use humans as a food source and the human rebellion fighting with gorilla warfare. I think they made a newer series based on it. But the original was super cool, I cant really speak on the newer one. Even if you dont want to do a video i highly recommend watching it, I think you would really enjoy it.
❤
I don’t support combatants in foreign conflicts. Both are big boys and can fight their own battles. I support America. Full stop.
Ah yes, the foreign war investor
coughs in vietnam, iraq and afghanistan
He said HE doesn't support combatants in FOREIGN conflicts:
He may not as an individual support those conflicts
They aren't "foreign conflicts" if your domestic military is officially involved
@@uncivilized_caveman for a caveman, you have better reading comprehension than most! 😆
@@uncivilized_caveman BINGO
Ooooooooooooooooh ,this is going to be an interesting comments section.
Man you are really well spoken. What do you do as a day job?
Love your work, Ben. Astonished by this though ... on the one hand, you make the neocon argument for justified aggression at a moment when not only American democracy but also Israeli democracy is in such a sorry state, and the scale of that aggression has disgusted the world. On the other hand, it was wise not to have written any poetry about it, not sure it would age well.
Closest counterpart to Hamas in the Star Wars universe is Luthen Real from Andor, his philosophy is similar.
the counterpart to hamas is darth sidious and the empire
@@fabiofernandes9122right yes Hamas is the evil empire that controls everything with a militaristic society. Meanwhile in Israel… 😂
The counterpart is probably SAW Guerrera's partisans, thinking fighting a ghastly enemy justifies ghastly actions
@@osedebame3522 the rebellion did not believe in genocide.
out of everything you could make, you made this. Whats next? Is Dumbledore's Army like Ukraine?
Well its this channels bread and butter. Just talk about star wars, people come here to get away from the real life shit.
Probably. This channel loves their SW and SJW nonsense in equal measures.
Nothing in Star Wars is like anything in real life. The rebels are not like the American colonists against Britain. The rebels are not like the confederates against the union. They are not even like Gaul against the Roman Empire, or any other people against the Roman Empire. They are not like the White Russians against the red Russians. They are not even like Robin Hood vs the Sheriff of Nottingham.
First off, good to see you again, American Ben.
There's a lot of people with very little knowledge beyond headlines losing there minds here.
Personally, I find your take to be well done, but a bit restrained. Then again, if Saw's partisans did what Hamas AND the Gazan civilians did on October 7th, they couldn't be shown on film, and certainly not on youtube.
Stay strong, don't let the trolls get you down.
Thanks bro. Love ya.
Born too late to support nazi, but born just in time to support israel. Im yisrael chai 🇮🇱
What are some good examples of works so badly written that you side with the designated antagonist? I know I liked the Kree better than Captain Marvel!
It is not the same type of conflict. In Star Wars, rebels are those who fight against the dictator to restore democracy, not people who want to free themselves from the domination of a foreign power or ethnicity.
It's not foreign, the israelis are the natives of the land, being there for the last 2500 years. The Palestinians are colonizers that moved in recently
@@breezyx976 both groups were living in that region at least 3000 years ago
@@breezyx976 Bro, no one is falling for that lie, while there are Palestinian jews, most ancestors to Israelis come from the west.
Guys help me fight back against the Dark Hamill cult @theamericanben on X/Twitter.
Where's British Ben?
*sees video in feed.* "Alright, I'll bite"
*Watches video.*
*Regrets biting.*
For real "Israel wants peace" lol like what's bro saying didn't they refuse multiple calls for cease fire
@@maarekstele2998 right! My eyebrows nearly flew off my face!
@@maarekstele2998 Imagine thinking non-action after a terroristic attack is "peace". That totally wouldn't result in hundreds more terroristic attacks. Not like the terrorists didn't explicitly said they wanted to do just that.
@@CrimsonDRagon-bi9ceyou have no idea what you are talking about and Israel’s action will only result in horrible deaths for Palestinians while at the same time Israel becomes a pariah state and more and more people realize how terrible it is.
@@demitri2510 Just because YOU don't have any idea what I'm talking about doesn't mean I don't. Hamas has publicly stated that they will do a hundred more October sevens.
Israel's action is going to cause deaths in Hamas, which is Palestinian. There's going to be CIVILIAN deaths because Hamas regularly uses human shields and operates on what is usually civilian areas.
And since you're ignorant I'll just state a pretty universal fact. The overwhelming majority of the anti-Israel faction comes from extremists from both the far left and the far right. Usually groups with 'Death to America/Jews' slogans.
why in the flying hell do you go out on this limb??? Unsubbed
Thank you! More people need to talk about this
This is an insane video to make lmao
What a dumb take
Welcome back American Ben
Hey bruh
The thing is, Palestinians and Hamas are not the same thing. So no, the resistance is not like the palestinians, because the palestinians are an unarmed people being "exterminated" (ONU). Hamas is as of today basically an excuse to conduct this extermination, their leaders arent in Palestine, a lot of " Hamas bases" or things like that just dont exist (we all remember the "there's a list" thing), and there's far more civilians being killed than Hamas fighters, and I'm not even counting NGO members or litteral israelians hostages. Israel, however, is definitely the empire : brutal and militarist using the excuse of security and freedom, racist (to the point of sterilizing ethiopian jewish women), and not hesitating to exterminate a people by saying that they protected terrorists
Palestinians voted Ham as into power with over 70% of the vote, despite Ham as being openly gen o' sidal from its conception. Palestinians ARE t error because lsIam is t error.
they are the same thing lol. they elected them into power.
@@fabiofernandes9122 They elected them 20 years ago, with a short majority, and a majority of people today in Gaza weren't old enough to vote anyway. So what, because a minority of today's population voted for them 20 years ago and couldn't since (and if they could vote they wouldn't vote for them, as Hamas was quite impopular amongst palestinians before the 7th of october) it justifies an extermination and the worst rate of civilian death for any conflit in the last 3 years combined ?
@@InestimableFlorivore what a naive comment. the people who voted 20 years ago had children of their own and passed down their values to their kids whitch eventualy their kids passed down their hamas values to their kids. hamas is extremely popular both in gaza and the west bank, plus hamas indoctrinates their civilians through schools,media etc. just like every dictatorship does and has done throughout history. a government is a reflection of the majority of the population and it cannot exist without the support of the majority of the population.
@@InestimableFlorivore my comment got deleted so ill say it again. the people who voted for hamas 20 years ago had children of their own had passed down their values to their kids whitch eventualy their kids also had children and passed down their hamas values to their kids. hamas is extremely popular in both gaza and the west bank, plus hamas indoctrinates their civilians through schools, media etc just like every dictatorship does and has done throughout history. a government is a reflection of the majority of the people in the government and it cannot exist without the support of the majority of the people there.
Seriously? Drop this and bring us more humanity first content.
Why the f*ck compare the 2...
What the flying fluff is this topic
Or you could simply ask "Who chose violence?" And there it is.
Israel, in 1948 and continuing to do so today.
@@redacted3740 You need a history lesson but I don't expect much from the performative crowing of the NPC class.
@@BearPawSwipe that has to be the worst bit of projection I've seen from you zionists yet 🤣, grow up and educate yourself
@@BearPawSwipe project away 🤡
Respect existence or expect resistance.
4 digits - 1948.
That's where it all started.
1919?
I would probably say more vietnam than palistine
Bro needs to shower once in a while.
IDK 😐
Space Balls... enough said
Are we talking about the rebel alliance or that rubbish from the sequel trilogy
He is getting them mixed up. Shamefull
As an Aussie jew, I'm very impressed and glad that you clearly did your research on the modern conflict, and didn't fall into the mental clutches of Hamas supporter's lies. I was insistent to click on the video out of fear it would be just another "look hamas are underdogs therefore heroes" bullshittery that is rampant across the internet and irl.I was pleasantly surprised
Facts you can't cope with aren't lies 😂😂😂
@@redacted3740The same can be said back to you
@@boysansbacher the difference I can understand what a lie actually is, unlike most zionists who have been spouting them for generations.
@@redacted3740 and once again, I can say the same thing in reverse back to you
@@boysansbacher and once you fail to make any sense, the only people refusing to cope with the facts are you genocide supporters
Outlawed slavery?! That must be some EU stuff, never saw that on screen!
A critique of your video, bare in mind I am antizionist:
I watched it twice and recognize some interesting examples of the link between a government and a rebellious force in media. I still had trouble linking these examples you gave and your own analysis. Throughout the video, one could not properly determine which arguments powered your conclusions, as you subfterfuged the cohesion of these thesis of yours. At the end, with your (not inherently bad) bias towards American and Western values, it became clear that the conclusion would satisfy Israel apologia.
Of course 11 minutes is insufficient to concatenate evidence and settle any discussion, but as an invitation to the analogy of Israel ad the empire and Palastine as the resistance, I would have enjoyed the video more if you would have stated your biased from the very beginning, saving some viewers like me quite some energy trying to incorporate your thesis examples and not be manipulated by some of your fallacious statements.
Now here are some counter arguments:
Democracy can be flawed.
Israel is not a complete democracy. In fact, it is one of the counter arguments to why Israel has been a failed state.
Terrorism is abhorrent, yes. A state or nation can be terrorist as well, and use its propaganda to defend itself.
Star Wars pre Disney has a different concept of what the rebellion values were. I was hoping you tackle these differences in the evolution of rebel to resistance timeframe in the Palestine-Israel timeframe, for example.
Somehow you concluded that Israel is not part of the American hegemonic power of influence, I guess in order to argue that Israel's democratic process is independent, not sure.
When you incited the thoughts that like the republic, Israel also allows for religious and freedom of opinion and so on, I managed to finally understand your neoliberal values. Please don't forget that Israel has been trying to be an ethnostate from the very beginning of the Zionist idea.
The Empire in SW does evolve and has stages of both internal and external machinations. I got from the video that sometimes, because the empire analogy was the USA, Israel is not akin. There is a failure of mixture of both recognition and fallacy of proportionality in your analysis.
On the other hand, you argued that Palestine fails to try to restructure what the SW republic values are. Yes, correct, but that is not a point in favour of Israel's apartheid occupation. Even after removing the religious values in every faction, the social values are still there and it should be clear that Israel is constantly dominant because it undermines the humanity of others. Not only palestinians, historically also other ethnicities. Lets bot foeget that this conflict is basically not religious in nature, but sociopolitical. Of course the religious values apply, yes, as in any anthropological issue. But the power struggle is and has been a political occupation in a postcolonial (20th century) period.
There is a lack of proper palestinian diplomatic structure and leadership, yes. This is vastly different to what happens in Star Wars and I think here you could have organized your arguments much better. Does this diminish the moral struggle, no, I don't believe it, just as Andor still holds value in it's somewhat headless Rebellion, or Poe in it's relatively minute Resistance group.
To answer the title question, I dont think it's a 1 to 1 link. Palestine rebels have an unmoral violent reactive approach. Palestine citizens suffer from a lack of political support, diplomatic intention, and receive the hypocritical crumbs of Western Hegemonic powers.
And Israel is not THE Empire, but it has been acting as an Apartheid state and incurrs in repeated genocide under the protection of a greater military might and other nations that see in Israel a geopolitical and historically important ally, and prefer it's mini imperialism than the Palestinian humanity resolution.
❤ much love, thank you for providing the video as an avenue for discussion.
thats a title
F Jumerikkka
Geez..
No since the empire is supposed to be the nazis…
You never went into the reasons why they’re fighting. That’s a very big part. All you did was summate “Israel western and good. Hamas authoritarian and bad.”
Bias detected lol
Give over we all know if the terrorist could wipe us out they would . Please get real.
American Ben is back
as a Benefactor of Edification against Nescience.
Luke has lost his way