Dura Ace 12speed Firmware update, not so wireless...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ส.ค. 2024
- No quite the stuff I normally cover on the main channel, but I thought this might help some people out there trying to update the firmware on the new Shimano 12speed shift levers (Dura Ace 9270 and Ultegra 8170). Even though they are wireless, you can't update the firmware wirelessly ...which might cause some confusion.
Part used for connecting the levers:
EW-SD300 (1400mm in my case)
EW-JC302 Junction
Check bettershifting.com for the latest information
(This video might be outdated when you watch this)
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Timestamps:
0:00 Wireless STI shift lever firmware update not possible
0:43 Three ways to update the STI's Wired
1:59 Update by connecting the STI directly to the battery
3:05 WARNING, don't forget to plug the battery!
4:05 Update by connecting the STI directly to the FD Cable with a a junction
5:17 Summery - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
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That seems like an insane amount of work to update firmware
Good video . I wish you can show clearly where to insert the cable into the Shifter as well as the FD. Those areas are still a mystery to me after watching your video.
So glad i found this video months ago. Anticipated the need for the cables and junction and pre-ordered them to arrive the same time as the bike. Ride safe sir.
Very helpful. Just got this groupset and quite a steep learning curve. Many thanks
Wow. That was one hell of a helpful video! Pretty clean explanation. All I needed. Well done!
Thx a lot.
Appreciated. Best demo out there. I have the same issue. Just one of the levers won’t upgrade wirelessly. Still works but being a perfectionist. It should be the most recent firmware.
Thank you so much. Shifter connected to front derailleur worked. So easy.
Thanks for sharing this video! Managed to update the firmware on my shifters watching your video.
Happy to hear it was of help, cheers!
Awesome presentation. Thanks!
Frist, I used the lower port and connection was not established. Then I found your video and I am happy now!
BIKE SHOP ROUTE BEWARE: ASK WHAT LABOR WILL COST (estimate) first.
Black Mountain Bicycles in San Diego quoted me $50 to update my firmware and would have to leave it overnight. These cables cost $43 from Jenson.
Great videos as always! Arigato Gozaimasu!
Thx a lot. It works. Also levers are now up to date.😊
Tip for anyone doing this for the fist time, lime me when I did this update today: at first, I couldn't get the shifters to show as wired in e-Tube, until I worked out that you have to push the cable into the sockets (on both battery and shifter) very hard, hard enough to make you worry about breaking something. After that, the process went just as in the video. Update for the battery and both derailleurs also dropped in the last few days, so I had a lot of updating to do!
Nice 👍 one. Cheers for the information. Just attempted mine and was very surprised that shimano does not have this sorted. SRAM next time for me 😂
Thank you. Used this to upgrade 12 speed ultegra shifters using a connection to the front mech CABLE (not mech) to save messing with my seat post adjustment. My tips I learned. 1. Use an TL-EW300 cable tool it really makes a difference. Disconnected software carefully each time I plugged or unplugged something and watched the mech go to sleep first. On connecting the 2nd shifter initially the app didn’t see it wired so disconnected from the app, let it go to sleep and disconnected at the front mech and reconnected (I hadn’t disturbed this connection when switching which shifter I hard wired at the bars… but the system must want to forget the other one first) and it worked. So all in all an excellent video and thanks for sharing.
You connected it to the front derailler right? Tried multiple times doing what you said, and still does not show as 'Wired'
Same story here. Tried battery as well and no recognition as “wired”
@@LUIXGUI723 yes to the front mech for each shifter in turn. Front mech is ultimately wired to the battery.
I don't have this issue with mechanical cable........
Still - no Sunday is complete without a view from you :)
BAM! Notification squad!
Out of curiosity you wrapped the battery in bubble wrap. Was it rattling before that? Trying to track down a knock noise over bumps from my wife’s new Emonda. Pretty similar build to yours.
centre plug is a terminator for the Shimano cable data bus
Thanks so much for this video. What specific model of handlebar and stem are you using?
Schmokle TLO / THM Ulna
So .. I can use either cable? Looks like the easiest is the one that connects to front derailleur.. not needing to yank out the seat post
Just curious how it works internally. e.g. would it work if you just connect it to separate battery or just to some other power source (if you have enough skills)?
That’s just so much work compare to Sram just phone while chilling on the sofa
Thanks for the video! After using a direct mount derailleur hanger on your Emonda, how do you find it? Have you had any issues? Ta
Apart from the lighter overall weight, I can't tell any difference in performance at all. The QC can be questionable, as you can see in the video on the main channel where I had to tap out the last bit of threads myself.
hello...congratulations for the video what was the size of the internal cables joining the battery to the deraileur?
1200mm and 900mm
What cable did u connected to the front derau?
My bike shop said every lever update round 15€. Definetly I will do it myself
I have a question: What does the upgrade do?
Do you have any trouble shooting? I connected the shifter to the front derailleur via the cables & port but the E-TUBE app did not change at all with the buttons staying greyed out. The cables are all connected (audible click).
> Update by connecting the STI directly to the FD Cable with a a junction >> does this require the 2 parts you mentioned? EW-SD300 & EW-JC302 Junction ?? Thx
I you don't have you lever mounted and hose connected (ie not attached to the bike) you can connect it directly to the FD cable. The cable an junction is in case you can't get your lever down to bottom bracket area
Did I miss what you did with the junction box for the front mech method?! Was it just plugged in line with the two cables?
Correct
I was looking at thison my bike today and it's a bit of mucking about 😬
I did the Update, completed just fine and then my levers didnt work. Solved it by unpairing the levers in the app and then readding them. Just FYI if anyone gets the same issue.
What was in that update?Anything useful?
Is the cable on the lever the same as the 11 spd di2? I see the cable on the rd is smaller than the previous generation
All cables are the smaller EV-SD300 versions (Not 11 speed compatible)
I tried to update my Ultegra ST-R8170 Shifter via the cable connected to the front derailleur. This did not work out unfortunately (maybe I am doing something wrong) but I read that more people have this issue. Is there an other way to update the firmware?
strange, It should work, but the only other way would be to connect the shifters to the PC link and a PC. In that case thought I might be worth having you LBS do it for you rather than to spend money on a the PC link for a simple firmware update.
See my comment - like me, you may not have pushed the cables into the shifter and battery hard enough. I was stuck for 20 minutes trying to work it out.
Juste a simple question....why is it not possible from the rear deraller instead of front ?
The "Brain" (Bluetooth connection etc) is in the RD, so if that's not connected, nothing works
I connected in two ways and I can't update the shifters. There is no information that they were wired
Question: I followed your simple instructions was able to successfully update the FW on the left lever (12-spd Ultegra Di2). However, when I followed the same steps for the right, the iPhone app does not see it as wired (like it did for the left). Any ideas?
Make sure you connected the wire to the upper port on the lever.
The lower port is only for sprint shifters and won’t work.
Had the same problem, disconnected the app and connected again. Then, it worked for me.
Anyone know the part number for the tool he used to press/snap the connector in and remove?
Shimano TL-EW300 - odd but helpful.
Will your trick also works when I connect the shifter with the REAR derailleur cable?
Sorry, the answer is no, because when you disconect the cable from the REAR derailleur you lose the bluetooth connection.
That’s probably why they show the 4 port junction in the manual so you connect power to both rear mech and lever? The manual shows rear mech but not front mech (at least on my app). Thanks for the comments as I learn how to do this. Sounds like you also need to buy a tool
What's the weight of the bubble wrap around the battery? Just saying... 🤓
it's feather light around 1g - 2g
A step in the wrong direction for sure. I was able to update my GRX components wirelessly just now.
What was the update all about? De bugging :)
I have the Ultegra R8100 brought the suggested cable and nothing. 🤷🏻♂️. Doesn’t register that is is wired after following ROJ instructions. Anyone else having the same issue?
Love the content in both Channels btw.
Have the same issue here dannyboy! Bought the advised components but my Ultegra R8100 shifters will not update as it is not "wired". No idea why it is not working...???
I had this problem and was about to give up when I noticed the cables didn't seem to be as far into the sockets as the other cables. A very hard push (worryingly hard) did the job and the shifter showed up as wired and could be updated.
@@sandamandaman8836 I win. With a little help from @charleshowarth I connected the cables then disconnected the bike from the app. Push and help the function button until it went greeny / yellow colour then reconnected the bike to the app and hey presto shifter showed as “wired” and update completed. Hope this works for you.
@@zodgzod thanks this along with disconnecting and pressing the function button
Seemed to work. 👍🏼. Shame not as straight forward as the rest of the groupset.
I tried dannyboy2674’s solution on my Tarmac SL7 Ultegra R8100 shifters - it did not work for me. Guess I’ll take my bike back to LBS - such a pain Shimano!
is this still the case...still cannot be updated without a physical connection?...i just preordered my di2 12 speed ultegra bike and would love to know. So I can prepare the necessary equipment needed. If anyone knows would love to find out.
Yes, as of late mars 2022, it still the case. Keep an eye on bettershifting.com they will have all relevant information as updates are released.
@@ROJBTS thanks @ROJ BTS successfully updated mine using the methods here. I'd like to point out based on my experience that after "wiring" the Left and Right Shifters. There might be an occurence where it fails to pair up with RD and FD. Simply redo the Switch pairing (after successfully updating both) by removing then using the E-tube app...then finding/scanning the QR code on the inside part of both shifters. Did the trick for me..
What a pain! I should of gotten a bike with SRAM!
Have you had any trouble with the synchro-shifting? I have the new 8100 Ultegra system and I'm unable to syncro-shift. My old Di2 Ultegra works no problem.
Sorry, I don't use Syncro-shift myself, prefer having all the controls myself. It should work though 🧐
Same here. I can't switch to synchro in Etube.
Hey bro I’ve same issue have you found a fix in the meantime ?
@@chrisl5146 No, but I haven't put the latest firmware on the shifters yet (only just got the cable). Maybe that will fix it? (Semi is working.)
Same problem here, have Ultegra R8100 but cannot activate Syncho, nor update the software on the shifters... @charles howarth, did the update in shifters enable Syncho Mode?
@4:29 how did you connect the cable to the FD? I’m looking at my DA Di2 9270 and I don’t see anywhere to plug the wire into
1:20
@@ROJBTS yeah I finally caught on. I thought the cable plugs into the FD but I realized that the junction actually connects to the FD cable haha
Firmware updated! Thanks for the video!!🙌🏻🙏🏻
@@ROJBTS you edited out actually connecting the cable!
Will your trick also works when I connect the shifter with the REAR Derailleur cable?
@@DrBOBKaya no, RD acts as the controller, so it needs to be connected to the battery.
Nothing to see nor recognize how to connect at the derailleur cable while remoing the cover a.s.o..
Wow. SRAM AXS eTap is so much better…. Why all the cables and can’t update it wirelessly? I was really thinking about getting the ultegra di2 on my second bike but I might stick with ultegra mechanical. My main bike is running red axs eTap and the battery system is a lot better.
Thanks for the video! Very helpful.
because it shifts better. It is lighter. It is cheaper. tolerances are better. just one battery to charge. there are many reasons why or why not go the shimano
I tried this with my Tarmac SL7 di2. I connected the wire to the port on my shifter, then to my rear derailleur. The firmware update in the app still gives me the same error. I tried connecting to my rear derailleur, and the app disconnected from the bike - saying the Bluetooth was disconnected. Short of taking it back to LBS, does anyone have any ideas?
You can't connect it to the RD, that must be connected to the battery. Bluetooth was disconnected because there was no power anymore :) You need to connect the levers to the battery (either via the FD wire, or the unused port on the battery itself)
@@ROJBTS Thanks. I'll try that.
@@ROJBTS I did try connecting to the FD - no go with that.
@@jamiebuechler8833 having the same issue on 8100
@@jamiebuechler8833 U connected it to the FD itself?
That's to much step lol I will take it to my local bike shop
I was able to update my levers wireless. I guess mine is a later version.
Me too
Can i use this cable for ultegra too?
For ultegra 8100 12speed, yes.
I would guess they coded something to check if a battery is connected to update any components, but looks like they forgot they made the shifters wireless lol. Should be a simple fix for their developers
Finger crossed!
Thinking that the button batteries in the shifters not the safest power source when doing a firmwear upgrade, hence the more reliable power supply required.@@ROJBTS
Why do you have two channels and why isn’t this posted on your other channel ?
I use this channel for "low" effort videos, tests and experiments etc.
@@ROJBTS glad I found it. This is an important topic.
@@billmaidment5623 the plan is to reference this video in a more long-term impressions video on the main channel
@@ROJBTS yes. Please do that I think people will want to know this. My friend built up his bike and learned the hard way. The second time he built with 9200 he updated all firmware before assembly.
Shimano E-tube is a steaming pile of t-rex dung.
thank you so much. :-)
jakes french weightweenies
THanks for the video, but man...fuck that. Just got my new BMC with the 12spd Ultegra DI2 and the first thing I see is "unable to update firmware??" They best find a way to do this via the app...or, you know, the USB CHARGING CABLE THAT CAME WITH THE GROUPSET.
Fucking Shimano, I swear.
Ridiculous that the front shifters are designed this way for an update
This is a terrible idea. Shimano guys are just crazy!
Love Shimano but to me they seem years late every time... those new Dura aces use more cables than my 105 mechanical groupset and it's kinda absurd. Changing 2 mech cables is quicker than upgrading 2 controls firmwares :D
At the end I prefer the SRAM approach: no cables and different batteries.
Once every six months you need to connect the shifters to the battery to update their firmware. The rest of the time, you have a lovely clean system with only two wires, both hidden until th last few cm and no wires from the shifters. I think it's great.
That’s tru Sram just makes the life easier
@@user-nu5fx6en9h SRAM product is very well thought from design to user. Shimano is half bake. The wired to semi wire/wireless design philosophy already tells you that.
Such an odd design by Shimano. This is a worse experience than the older Di2
What does it mean "update the firmware"? It's a bicycle, come on... It shouldn't have chips, firmwares and all this unuseful crap!