@@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana What did we all learn from Wynaut going up into Ubers and always scoring a 1v1 trade of some fashion? That on occasion bullshit can indeed walk.
I've always felt Slow Start, aside from just not existing because it doesn't make sense for a Legendary, should have its debuff slowly decrease. So instead of an abrupt ending after 5 turns, Regigigas gradually goes from 50% to 100% as the turns count down.
@@suezuccati304 no ability is not the end of world. Some pokemon have sturdy or blaze that while not useless, are not really part of your strategy. No ability should be fine.
There's a good reason as to why Regigigas was given Slow start. It's a pokemon with Box Legendary stats that isn't restricted in VGC (since only Box Legends have the restricted status). While this probably doesn't matter too much these days due to power creep, in gen 4 it would have been a reasonable concern. Additionally, Slow Start serves a lore purpose so it's pretty hard to justify just straight up getting rid of it. With that in mind, along with the new regis we've gotten recently, I do expect Regigigas to get a new forme at some point that has a good ability and is lore-wise meant to reflect what Regigigas was like in it's prime.
@@UltraAryan10 the thing is with that, is that status moves that can disrupt regigigas aren't necessarily exclusive to set up sweepers. Say something with Taunt, for example. If you get hit by Taunt you have to either throw out your mediocre moves to keep the counter rolling down or give up the progress you made and switch out
Basically, protect is a good addition for Regigigas, but it's still very exploitable as even if you get going, if you ever have to switch, you have to do it all over again or have a deadweight
I feel like an ability called "slow start" would do something like starting a battle weaker and then getting progressively stronger as the rounds go on. And maybe be single use in a battle/not reseting on swaps but buffed stats single use in battle to not be completely useless by a swap. But nah, they decided to give him a hinderance instead of an ability. Meanwhile a dog with a sword gets amazing typing, stats, moves and +1atk entering the field.
@@jaimeXDgo I don't see how it's "not justified". Zacian and Zamazenta stopped Eternamax Eternatus, twice, a gigantic being with so much energy that even Legendary Pokémon become gigantic as well and increase their power after being imbued by it, said energy warping time-space due to its sheer intensity. It says a lot to be able to defeat a Pokémon so mighty that it can power-up even Legendaries without draining out.
@@Dexuz First Zamazenta, and no even Eternatus are even close to how broken Zacian is with or without the rusty sword. Second, the lore of this pokes isn't tied up to Arceus or anything, so one fails to see how a mere pokemon hero who works in tandem with others to fulfull it's mission is significantly more powerful than beings like Groudon, Rayquaza, Palkia, Arceus, and basically everything. Previous legendaries had expanded backstories or roles in the creation. Xerneas and Yveltal incarnate life and death, Necrozma is kinda like the Arceus of another dimension, but what the hell is Eternatus and why's it so powerful? Maybel we'll get an explanation someday, but for now it's just out of character powercreeping.
@@jaimeXDgo Well I'm not talkimg about their competitive usage here, but even if you did, Eternamax Eternatus would undeniable be the most potent Pokémon ever, even above Zacian and Mega Rayquaza. Of course the form cannot be used, but if we could, it would be the strongest. I don't see why a Legendary Pokémon have to be related to Arceus in order to be powerful, only 6 Pokémon that we know of are directly related to Arceus, the Creation Trio and the Lake Trio, we don't know if other Pokémon have been created by it. Even in Legends: Arceus, it was left ambiguous. Yes, Eternatus doesn't have a backstory per say, but the rest of the Box Legendaries are kind of in the same package, anything said about them are myths, even as far as Dialga/Palkia actually creating time and space; every single time such a thing is told, it is stated in an ambiguous way, such as "it is said that Dialga did this and that". So again, are those *really* backstories if there is nothing set on stone? But regardless, Eternatus is still very powerful, and it has demonstrated to be so, even if "it came from a meteor and wrecked havoc" is a lame justification, not that the other legends did it better.
Here’s hoping they do my boy a favor and making his ability work like sleep and allow him to be switched out and keep the turns burned. It’s embarrassing for a legendary to compete with NFEs
@@J242D Dude you don't need to be that rude. I think I got of my message and that's what matters. Anyways English is my second language so I am sorry if (somehow) you get offended by my English not being that great.
the difference is that ZU is based off of the legit smogon meta, which is a concrete thing. i love AAA, but it's based off of the idea "what if pokemon could have any ability"
Could you imagine if they buffed slow start so instead of halving it’s attack and speed after 5 turns it gave a +1 to those stats? They’d never do it but it might make the thing usable
Start at -4 in both attack and speed, then gain +1 in both each turn. Might be a bit OP with White Herb or in 2v2 with some stat-reset move on a support pokemon, but I'd be curious how it'd go.
@@ElementalArcher how come? I think it makes sense, “zero-used” for Pokémon with zero use. Z also being the last letter in the alphabet is somewhat telling of it being the “last tier” for something to fall to.
@@Moose7701 Several abilities are banned in these OMs. It includes Huge Power as well as Intrepid Sword. BTW, Almost Any Abilities is the "OU version" of Balanced hackmon I would say. It's based on Over Used, with most Uber Pokémon being banned, and Pokémons are restricted to their natural moveset. Regigigas isn''t banned in Balanced Hackmon, but with his Title Legendary like stats, and the fact it can have something like Regenerator, Dauntless Shield, heck even Triage for priority Drain Punch, he obviously is too powerful for AAA. x)
@@-racine-9485 The OU version of BH would be StAAAbmon actually as it includes both the wide selection of abilities and the expanded movepool (but which aren't unlimited since it's type dependent, much easier to prep for) I love this tier btw, it feels like an actual *Balanced* Hackmon and I invite people to play whenever they can
Let's be real here; it's because in that tier, the power level is so low that even slow-started Gigas has decent stats compared to its opponents. Imagine how insane he would be in LC :p
I feel like if slow start just reduced speed it would be better (not Uber per se but maybe at least some sort of tier worthiness). That way a trainer can make some strategies around it (like trick room or priority moves if regi has/gets them). While these aren’t that reliable at least they’re something
The issue with that would be that suddenly he becomes a fairly powerful trick room Pokémon. It has great coverage and a ton of power. If any change was made, it should either have a reduced penalty or shorter penalty. Or maybe make Slow start incremental, making regigigas more powerful each turn until back to normal
Regigigas is the kind of Pokemon that will always be either overpowered or underpowered with no in between in a singles metagame. Any format where the power level is low enough that Regigigas can stall out 5 turns is low enough that Regigigas will crush everything in its path once it is at full power.
So, Regigigas finally found a tier where it can be good DESPITE Slow Start... & it gets banned from it?! Also, question: Why isn't Special Regigigas a thing? Its Speed might be halved, but it has 110 in HP, DEF, & Sp. Def, 80 Sp. Atk, Tri Attack via Nature Power, Focus Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Ancient Power, Hyper Beam, & probably others depending on the generation.
Regigigas Attack stat is 160 so halving it just makes them basically equal. No reason to use special when physical is same damage output with a wider movepool and doubled damage eventually
Well, technically Specs Regigigas is a thing that I have seen a few times, it isn't good, it doesn't hit very hard, but it's more consistent than a regular set .......
@@kenniky When it comes to stat boosts, the way they are calculated means you can't just multiply the base stat. Azumarill for example, has 50 Attack, but Huge Power Azumarill's Attack is obviously much higher than base 100, it seems more like base 150. So I think Regigigas's Attack might be lower than it's Special Attack during Slow Start. When I used to use Regigigas I ignored its Attack and maxed out its bulk because I found it was so rare that you would pass Slow Start, so I preferred using it to paralyze, confuse and Knock Off half of the opponents team, which it can do because its bulk is ridiculous in lower tiers.
To answer your main question: In ORAS ZU, there's simply better Choice Specs abusers. Wigglytuff might not have the titanic bulk Regigigas has, but it also has an amazing Fairy STAB alongside fantastic coverage for most of its common checks. Illumise/Mothim are not considered the fastest or most power, but thanks to Tinted Lens, they can hit much harder than Regigigas and can pivot out of counters to more threatening teammates. There are countless others to mention: Glaceon, Magmar, Politoed, Swoobat etc. Physical sets despite Slow Start were just downright dangerous when it got its act together, compared to being a mediocre special attacker.
What if slow start were instead changed to give regigigas, say, -6 attack and speed on switch-in, but give +1 attack and speed each turn? That way, it can gradually regain its strength over those turns, and eventually start buffing itself. It would also make it a potentially terrifying punish for stat stage clearing effects, such as haze and clear smog. As an added bonus, implementing it via stat stage changes means that crits ignore the lowered stats, and unaware pokemon just take the full brunt of its attacks. Look, this suggestion is probably way too powerful, but I feel like after 5 straight generations of being literally unusable due to its ability, I'd say regigigas deserves to be overpowered, as a treat.
an item that suppresses the user’s ability would be a really cool addition to the game and have a similar impact to heavy duty boots imo. great to make the bad mons viable at the cost of using a good item and it would be an insanely cool item to trick onto your opponent and would open up some insanely cool sets and plays. another balancing aspect is needing to play around trick and knock off or risk going back to having a bad ability active
@@eltonmateusnevesneves i dont think klutz would have any interaction with this item. klutz makes an item not do anything and the item would cancel out the ability so the net effect would be nothing. and yeah you could always fling the item if you want to get rid of it but fling doesnt give the item to the opponent so it wouldnt work like trick or switcheroo
I’d like to see a video on why genesect is too good for OU, but horrible in Ubers I’d also like to see a video on why reshiram is bad in Ubers Third idea is a theory video: what if there was a special dragon dance with very good distrubution?
Definitely think there needs to be an official 7th lowest tier (I'd always thought maybe rename NU BU for Barely Used, then rename PU NU and the new tier below the original PU the new PU). There are too many pokémon that are officially untiered with the 6-tier system.
People at GF must of been high af to think giving an already good legendary busted stats, a great ability, and a flying type close combat was a good idea
@@thenameskuzan9752 but the comment says it has 180 attack,150 speed and an ability that ignores resistances. No such mon exists lmao i am genuinely confused to what he is referring to
Slow start buff: 5 turns duration, counter not reset when switching out, deactivates after 5 turns for the rest of the battle but cannot apply boosts to attack or speed until slow start is over.
Better idea Any attack or speed buffs get removed and take 1 counter off the slow start per stage raised (if it used swords dance the counter would go down by 2)
@@hellhound74 Damnit, stop suggesting better ideas! Stop beating me with facts and logic! In all honesty, that's a lot better. Keeps the spirit of the Mon without being overly complicated like mine. It's balanced as Gigas has to use boosting moves instead of stalling with t-wave and protect, thus leading to more creative strategies and counter play not based on luck.
@@number3766 I do like that idea and the idea of slow start never activating again because you could simply use thunder wave into a swords dance and get regigigas ready to go without too much effort
What if they just replaced Slow Start with something like: Heavy bulk, “This pokemon’s speed stat is reduced by 50%.” Almost have it work like slaking Slack Off to counter the amazing stats. Or something that reduces its accuracy because its too slow. Essentially saying that this thing shouldn’t be able to hit you but if it does it will kill you.
I made a doubles OU team where I had toxic orb regigigas and skill swap alakazam, I would give regigigas magic guard and regigigas would throw really powerful facade, due to magic guard I would be immune to toxic damage
Needing to have 3 gen 3 legendaries transferred which require puzzle solving and brail and two certain pokemon to even activate their event. Only to catch this legendary and learn it has an ability even worse than slaking.
Imagine if Slow Start halved Regigigas' attack and speed for 5 turns, but then it abruptly doubles it in the sixth turn. That'll be broken as heck in some VGC strats
When I played on showdown as an early team, I liked playing the super low tiers because of the weirdness you could get away with (I was never good). My favorite competitive memory is getting regigigas past slow start on my PU paraflinch/parafusion team.
It is pretty decent and has seen some results indeed. It's a strategy very prone to disruption, that is extremely committal (you have to bring 2 pokemon out of 4 for it, and they always need to be together, and Weezing in itself isn't very good so you're essentially playing 3v4. Not to say that it's bad, again, it has seen some results, but it's also far from a world beater
Thing is if you can Entrainment any other ability other than a small few he becomes a beast. I gave him hustle and he was very strong! like he could OHKO most pokemon. (ofc not defensive invested ones) Shows how 1 ability can make or break a pokemon.
In balanced Hackmons, Regigigas is a premier pokemon. Immunity to spectral thief, good bulk, and decent speed make it a powerhouse as one of the more viable set up sweepers in the tier. I personally run shift gear on most of my teams. Only thing that would make the mon better is if it was dark type so prankster mons couldn't mess with it
this is very specific but how would regigigas do with iron ball and trick room? it would be unable to use its staggering attack to good use but with iron ball and slow start itll start with half speed and with iron ball it would make it slow enough to outspeed many things in trick room. since slow start technically makes both spa and attk 80 you can make it a mix attacker as its uninvested bulk will let it survive a hit.
Regigigas (and Slaking) would do amazingly in the petmod where it's like gen 1. No abilities, no hazards, no items, pre-physical/special split, crit is calculated with speed, stats are maxed, etc. Both would probably end up banned because they've got stats and all the moves they could ask for.
Regigigas is much better in doubles tho, there are a lot of moves that change/supress the ability, making regigigas reach its full potential on the start of the battle
Not really vid related but how powerful do we think hazards that acted like T spikes but caused other status? Like let’s say a pokemon lays down hot coals and for 3-5 turns, any pokemon that switches in is burned. I say 3-5 turns bc permanent feels broken and coals obviously cool off so it makes thematic sense. A para hazard would be so broken
what I don't get is how they can make regigigas with this base 670 power, give it this hindering ability, then create a legendary whose base form has basically the same bulk, way higher speed, an ability that BOOSTS its attack, then give that same boosted legendary a form with even HIGHER base power than regigigas. I am of course talking about Zacian
Here’s an idea for a slow start rework: make the starting turns either only apply once per battle or be only 3 turns upon entry, then, after starting turns are over, give regigigas some sort of boost as it awakens. (So maybe just a damage boost, like 30 percent, maybe make it ignore normal resists, or gain priority on normal type attacks (similar to gen 6 talonflame)
I run regigigas in ubers doubles to just skill swap it to the enemy team and cripple their sweeper... lure them into thinking its safe to set up and watch them have max attack and still hit like a squeaky toy...
In the OM Sketched on Showdown, I give Regigigas "Skill Swap". But even then with giving the opponent Slow Start while removing it yourself, that extra move slot being missing is... it's apparently not that good
i just tought of a slow start that gives you -2 atk and spd on switch in and every 2 turns gives you +1 atk and speed, so turn 4 would be neutral, turn 6 +1 also if you predict an haze you can remove the -2 right son the switch, or just use haze in doubles
If I would buff Regigigas so that slow start wouldn't completely shut it down and so it could actually make some use of it's offensive stats, I would just make some kind of new item that negates the holder's own ability. Would be a great help to Gigas, but it would still have to watch out for knock off and trick/switcheroo.
Im honestly surprised hes what bad. Sure hes not good, but in very low Tiers he sould have a Chance as Special Attacker, or Staller whit Toxin and Drainpunch. His Defenses are still fine.
I will never understand why they made this ability, like, instead of giving the pokemon that can move mountains something like iron fist, they gave it such a hinderance that fully evolved pokemon are simply too much for it
Why is he banned in almost any ability like his stats are on par w other legendaries. Idk i always feel like smogon overbans stuff even in a “for fun” game mode
Slow start lasts 3 turns, prevents it switching/phased out through any means, keeps the attack/spa/speed halving but doubles it’s spdf+def while getting it going, and heals 50% upon completion Eff it I wanna see regigigas do something stupid like switching intwo a banded stab guts close combat and take chip damage
regigigas is essentially a very poor set up sweeper; it's not broken in gen7zu because the power level is far higher and it struggles with offensive tanks like golem and torterra, whereas this gen has like.. klang. same deal with gen 8 i imagine
@@iss2075 Oh for sure, any legendary with 680 BST that has rounded stats would be ubers. But regigigas is a legendary that has a lot of lore hype and isn't a mythical. He deserves to be Ubers imo, I was more saying it wouldn't be a Zacian or Mega Ray situation of he gets banned from ubers. He'd probably be B+ tier in ubers
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Imagine being so bad of a Legendary that you have to go all the way down to the kindergarten to beat up the unevolved toddlers there.
Game mechanics mean a hilariously small amount of pokemon toddlers can defeat any legendary reliably.
@@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana What did we all learn from Wynaut going up into Ubers and always scoring a 1v1 trade of some fashion? That on occasion bullshit can indeed walk.
I'm imagining that Norwegian statue of a grown man just knocking away a bunch of babies but it's Regigigas and a bunch of NFEs.
Can't wait for Regigigas to get an evolution so he can start being a decent pokemon in Little Cup
@s92 even worse lol
Regigigas went from moving continents to beating up kids
@@randomtroll7752 you moved continents?
@@firewall5189 we all did
@@zad_rasera wait wot how
@@firewall5189 It’s a Hydraulic Crane
this is the equivalent of an old man crushing a bunch of bugs and after a few turns becomes an all powerful deity against literal insects
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@@dribble909 no way its the fe1 hater
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I've always felt Slow Start, aside from just not existing because it doesn't make sense for a Legendary, should have its debuff slowly decrease. So instead of an abrupt ending after 5 turns, Regigigas gradually goes from 50% to 100% as the turns count down.
I dont know, having bulky stats but no ability is kinda not that great
Honestly, if it hadnt gotten protect, it's ability couldve been a 1 turn thing.
@@kylianos3907 It didn't have protect till gen 8
@@suezuccati304 no ability is not the end of world. Some pokemon have sturdy or blaze that while not useless, are not really part of your strategy. No ability should be fine.
There's a good reason as to why Regigigas was given Slow start. It's a pokemon with Box Legendary stats that isn't restricted in VGC (since only Box Legends have the restricted status). While this probably doesn't matter too much these days due to power creep, in gen 4 it would have been a reasonable concern. Additionally, Slow Start serves a lore purpose so it's pretty hard to justify just straight up getting rid of it. With that in mind, along with the new regis we've gotten recently, I do expect Regigigas to get a new forme at some point that has a good ability and is lore-wise meant to reflect what Regigigas was like in it's prime.
I’ve often wondered how much of a difference it would make if Slow Start was buffed to only take 4 or even 3 turns instead of 5…
Now that Regigigas has Protect, it can be 2 turns without much risk if you kill opponents setup sweepers
Or if it doesn't reset when switching him out...
@@UltraAryan10 the thing is with that, is that status moves that can disrupt regigigas aren't necessarily exclusive to set up sweepers. Say something with Taunt, for example. If you get hit by Taunt you have to either throw out your mediocre moves to keep the counter rolling down or give up the progress you made and switch out
Basically, protect is a good addition for Regigigas, but it's still very exploitable as even if you get going, if you ever have to switch, you have to do it all over again or have a deadweight
Sounds like a theorymon Thursday idea ⭐
Regigigas banned from Almost Ability and ZU is the clearest example of how different it would be without being hindered by Slow Start.
It's Uber stats so of it had something like filter or pressure it would be Uber for sure
@@CommanderNewton it’s crazy how you just need a not-bad-ability to break Regigigas.
Imagine giving regigigas moxie or beast boost
@@FatCrowOnAStick or pure/huge power. But honestly, giving it no ability has already been a boon.
@@FatCrowOnAStick that's a common strat in doubles using starkatarka with skill swap to swap slow start for beast boost
I feel like an ability called "slow start" would do something like starting a battle weaker and then getting progressively stronger as the rounds go on. And maybe be single use in a battle/not reseting on swaps but buffed stats single use in battle to not be completely useless by a swap.
But nah, they decided to give him a hinderance instead of an ability. Meanwhile a dog with a sword gets amazing typing, stats, moves and +1atk entering the field.
Though said dog is the slayer of the Gigantic Pokémon, Eternatus, and just so happens that Regigigas is the "Colossal Pokémon"...
That. I will never get over the fact that they made the strongest Pokémon one with a lore that doesn't justify it on top of being so fucking ugly.
@@jaimeXDgo I don't see how it's "not justified".
Zacian and Zamazenta stopped Eternamax Eternatus, twice, a gigantic being with so much energy that even Legendary Pokémon become gigantic as well and increase their power after being imbued by it, said energy warping time-space due to its sheer intensity.
It says a lot to be able to defeat a Pokémon so mighty that it can power-up even Legendaries without draining out.
@@Dexuz First Zamazenta, and no even Eternatus are even close to how broken Zacian is with or without the rusty sword. Second, the lore of this pokes isn't tied up to Arceus or anything, so one fails to see how a mere pokemon hero who works in tandem with others to fulfull it's mission is significantly more powerful than beings like Groudon, Rayquaza, Palkia, Arceus, and basically everything. Previous legendaries had expanded backstories or roles in the creation. Xerneas and Yveltal incarnate life and death, Necrozma is kinda like the Arceus of another dimension, but what the hell is Eternatus and why's it so powerful? Maybel we'll get an explanation someday, but for now it's just out of character powercreeping.
@@jaimeXDgo Well I'm not talkimg about their competitive usage here, but even if you did, Eternamax Eternatus would undeniable be the most potent Pokémon ever, even above Zacian and Mega Rayquaza.
Of course the form cannot be used, but if we could, it would be the strongest.
I don't see why a Legendary Pokémon have to be related to Arceus in order to be powerful, only 6 Pokémon that we know of are directly related to Arceus, the Creation Trio and the Lake Trio, we don't know if other Pokémon have been created by it.
Even in Legends: Arceus, it was left ambiguous.
Yes, Eternatus doesn't have a backstory per say, but the rest of the Box Legendaries are kind of in the same package, anything said about them are myths, even as far as Dialga/Palkia actually creating time and space; every single time such a thing is told, it is stated in an ambiguous way, such as "it is said that Dialga did this and that".
So again, are those *really* backstories if there is nothing set on stone?
But regardless, Eternatus is still very powerful, and it has demonstrated to be so, even if "it came from a meteor and wrecked havoc" is a lame justification, not that the other legends did it better.
Here’s hoping they do my boy a favor and making his ability work like sleep and allow him to be switched out and keep the turns burned. It’s embarrassing for a legendary to compete with NFEs
it does work like sleep, gen 5's sleep
when your ability is so crippling you have to go to the lowest tier to be viable
It really took regigias A LEGENDARY with a MONSTROUS BST a UNOFFICIAL lowest teir with NFEs to be op.
regigias LENDERARY teir
@@J242D Dude you don't need to be that rude. I think I got of my message and that's what matters. Anyways English is my second language so I am sorry if (somehow) you get offended by my English not being that great.
@@manjupant6125 don't think it was that serious
@@manjupant6125 tf
@@manjupant6125 not offended just thought it was funny LOL
Technically it's also banned in almost any ability but that's also another unofficial Smogon only tier
Well its bc it will be broken having Adaptability o Renegenerator will make it unstoppable
the difference is that ZU is based off of the legit smogon meta, which is a concrete thing. i love AAA, but it's based off of the idea "what if pokemon could have any ability"
@@scrollingonthiswebsite any ability except Arena Trap, Comatose, Contrary, Fluffy, Fur Coat, Gorilla Tactics, Huge Power, Ice Scales, Illusion, Imposter, Innards Out, Intrepid Sword, Libero, Magnet Pull, Moody, Neutralizing Gas, Parental Bond, Poison Heal, Protean, Pure Power, Shadow Tag, Simple, Stakeout, Speed Boost, Water Bubble, Wonder Guard
(Yah only "few" abilities we can't imagine to have in a pokemon)
@@albertoseguratrejo841 another strategy would be to use the combo of Poison Heal and Toxic Orb + Facade
@@reneantoniorodriguezippoli7561 poison heal is ban. Regen may be his best Ability pasive recovery tu return later in the game
Regigigas was banned for beating up toddlers
Maybe Regigigas will finally get going after 5 generational turns of Slow Start
one day we get into the newest game's regigigas fight and are suddenly greeted by a pressure text box instead of slow start
@@LightningLigerthat would cause me to hit the panic button
I refuse to believe the same company made the game introducing Regigigas and the one introducing Calyrex.
Could you imagine if they buffed slow start so instead of halving it’s attack and speed after 5 turns it gave a +1 to those stats? They’d never do it but it might make the thing usable
interestingly enough, apparently in Arceus it gets buffed atk and spd once the slow start wears off
@@pf9878 ya,
Thats actually how it works in PLA lmao
Start at -4 in both attack and speed, then gain +1 in both each turn. Might be a bit OP with White Herb or in 2v2 with some stat-reset move on a support pokemon, but I'd be curious how it'd go.
@@MrZerodaim topsy turvy in doubles would be insane with that
I wish ZU was made an official tier.
BW ZU's Breadwinners Tour had the biggest prize pool in smogon history, so its clear that people care about the tier
If you play it on the showdown ladder, you increase its player count and accelerate its acceptance as an official tier
@@qwerty11111122 i do lol
I don't.
I just hate the name. They should give this tier a better name.
@@ElementalArcher how come? I think it makes sense, “zero-used” for Pokémon with zero use. Z also being the last letter in the alphabet is somewhat telling of it being the “last tier” for something to fall to.
Regigigas is also banned in Almost any abilities & other ability changing OMs (If you're counting ZU)
I'm guessing it would use huge power, mold breaker, adapt, ect?
@@Moose7701 Several abilities are banned in these OMs. It includes Huge Power as well as Intrepid Sword.
BTW, Almost Any Abilities is the "OU version" of Balanced hackmon I would say. It's based on Over Used, with most Uber Pokémon being banned, and Pokémons are restricted to their natural moveset.
Regigigas isn''t banned in Balanced Hackmon, but with his Title Legendary like stats, and the fact it can have something like Regenerator, Dauntless Shield, heck even Triage for priority Drain Punch, he obviously is too powerful for AAA. x)
Not banned in mix and mega tho, but it's also not that broken there anyways
@@-racine-9485 The OU version of BH would be StAAAbmon actually as it includes both the wide selection of abilities and the expanded movepool (but which aren't unlimited since it's type dependent, much easier to prep for)
I love this tier btw, it feels like an actual *Balanced* Hackmon and I invite people to play whenever they can
its legal in balanced hackmons
Let's be real here; it's because in that tier, the power level is so low that even slow-started Gigas has decent stats compared to its opponents. Imagine how insane he would be in LC :p
Regigigas is also bannably good in AAA, though that's to be expected.
I feel like if slow start just reduced speed it would be better (not Uber per se but maybe at least some sort of tier worthiness). That way a trainer can make some strategies around it (like trick room or priority moves if regi has/gets them). While these aren’t that reliable at least they’re something
The issue with that would be that suddenly he becomes a fairly powerful trick room Pokémon. It has great coverage and a ton of power.
If any change was made, it should either have a reduced penalty or shorter penalty. Or maybe make Slow start incremental, making regigigas more powerful each turn until back to normal
I liked it better when the tier below PU was called FU
I never thought one of my own forum posts would influence a video. Great work, and thank you for highlighting one of my favorite tiers!
Regigigas is the kind of Pokemon that will always be either overpowered or underpowered with no in between in a singles metagame. Any format where the power level is low enough that Regigigas can stall out 5 turns is low enough that Regigigas will crush everything in its path once it is at full power.
You know you're in a low tier when you start seeing butterflies
So, Regigigas finally found a tier where it can be good DESPITE Slow Start... & it gets banned from it?!
Also, question: Why isn't Special Regigigas a thing? Its Speed might be halved, but it has 110 in HP, DEF, & Sp. Def, 80 Sp. Atk, Tri Attack via Nature Power, Focus Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Ancient Power, Hyper Beam, & probably others depending on the generation.
80 spatk is mid asf especially when your speed is halved :/
Regigigas Attack stat is 160 so halving it just makes them basically equal. No reason to use special when physical is same damage output with a wider movepool and doubled damage eventually
Well, technically Specs Regigigas is a thing that I have seen a few times, it isn't good, it doesn't hit very hard, but it's more consistent than a regular set .......
@@kenniky When it comes to stat boosts, the way they are calculated means you can't just multiply the base stat. Azumarill for example, has 50 Attack, but Huge Power Azumarill's Attack is obviously much higher than base 100, it seems more like base 150. So I think Regigigas's Attack might be lower than it's Special Attack during Slow Start. When I used to use Regigigas I ignored its Attack and maxed out its bulk because I found it was so rare that you would pass Slow Start, so I preferred using it to paralyze, confuse and Knock Off half of the opponents team, which it can do because its bulk is ridiculous in lower tiers.
To answer your main question:
In ORAS ZU, there's simply better Choice Specs abusers. Wigglytuff might not have the titanic bulk Regigigas has, but it also has an amazing Fairy STAB alongside fantastic coverage for most of its common checks. Illumise/Mothim are not considered the fastest or most power, but thanks to Tinted Lens, they can hit much harder than Regigigas and can pivot out of counters to more threatening teammates. There are countless others to mention: Glaceon, Magmar, Politoed, Swoobat etc. Physical sets despite Slow Start were just downright dangerous when it got its act together, compared to being a mediocre special attacker.
What if slow start were instead changed to give regigigas, say, -6 attack and speed on switch-in, but give +1 attack and speed each turn? That way, it can gradually regain its strength over those turns, and eventually start buffing itself. It would also make it a potentially terrifying punish for stat stage clearing effects, such as haze and clear smog. As an added bonus, implementing it via stat stage changes means that crits ignore the lowered stats, and unaware pokemon just take the full brunt of its attacks.
Look, this suggestion is probably way too powerful, but I feel like after 5 straight generations of being literally unusable due to its ability, I'd say regigigas deserves to be overpowered, as a treat.
an item that suppresses the user’s ability would be a really cool addition to the game and have a similar impact to heavy duty boots imo. great to make the bad mons viable at the cost of using a good item and it would be an insanely cool item to trick onto your opponent and would open up some insanely cool sets and plays. another balancing aspect is needing to play around trick and knock off or risk going back to having a bad ability active
SLAKING TO THE MOON!!!!
the question now is
if a pokemon with this item had klutz, it would be able to use fling?
@@eltonmateusnevesneves i dont think klutz would have any interaction with this item. klutz makes an item not do anything and the item would cancel out the ability so the net effect would be nothing. and yeah you could always fling the item if you want to get rid of it but fling doesnt give the item to the opponent so it wouldnt work like trick or switcheroo
I wish ZU was an official tier, it's the only one I play.
I’d like to see a video on why genesect is too good for OU, but horrible in Ubers
I’d also like to see a video on why reshiram is bad in Ubers
Third idea is a theory video: what if there was a special dragon dance with very good distrubution?
Definitely think there needs to be an official 7th lowest tier (I'd always thought maybe rename NU BU for Barely Used, then rename PU NU and the new tier below the original PU the new PU). There are too many pokémon that are officially untiered with the 6-tier system.
Petition to reverse the effects of Slow Start to make Regi insanely broken
ZU: the tier for baby/unevolved pokemon, oh, and regigigas
Regigigus being compared to literally fucking pig nite is hilarious
160 attack 100 speed we have to limit this monster
180 attack 150 speed gets an ability that makes attacks it’s weak to do neutral damage
what mon are you talking about?
@@Chris-fz2ui he's talking about mega Rayquaza
Though it's speed is either 110 or 109
@@thenameskuzan9752 mega rayquaza's speed is base 115 or 361 speed if a speed boosting nature
People at GF must of been high af to think giving an already good legendary busted stats, a great ability, and a flying type close combat was a good idea
@@thenameskuzan9752 but the comment says it has 180 attack,150 speed and an ability that ignores resistances. No such mon exists lmao i am genuinely confused to what he is referring to
Slow start buff: 5 turns duration, counter not reset when switching out, deactivates after 5 turns for the rest of the battle but cannot apply boosts to attack or speed until slow start is over.
Better idea
Any attack or speed buffs get removed and take 1 counter off the slow start per stage raised (if it used swords dance the counter would go down by 2)
@@hellhound74 Damnit, stop suggesting better ideas! Stop beating me with facts and logic!
In all honesty, that's a lot better. Keeps the spirit of the Mon without being overly complicated like mine.
It's balanced as Gigas has to use boosting moves instead of stalling with t-wave and protect, thus leading to more creative strategies and counter play not based on luck.
@@number3766 I do like that idea and the idea of slow start never activating again because you could simply use thunder wave into a swords dance and get regigigas ready to go without too much effort
You know pokémon has a historically diverse plethora of metagames when "gen 6 ZU" is used in a sentence.
I feel like slow start should work like sleep turns. Resetting on switch makes it totally unusable
Ayeee good job on that sign up my guy! I see you've been reminding everyone and its working!!!
What if Regigigas’ Slow Start reduced Attack and Speed by 2 stages each upon switching in, and at the end of every turn, it got a free Dragon Dance?
What if they just replaced Slow Start with something like: Heavy bulk, “This pokemon’s speed stat is reduced by 50%.” Almost have it work like slaking Slack Off to counter the amazing stats. Or something that reduces its accuracy because its too slow. Essentially saying that this thing shouldn’t be able to hit you but if it does it will kill you.
Hustle
I made a doubles OU team where I had toxic orb regigigas and skill swap alakazam, I would give regigigas magic guard and regigigas would throw really powerful facade, due to magic guard I would be immune to toxic damage
Also the alakazam had choice scarf so it could be really fast
Needing to have 3 gen 3 legendaries transferred which require puzzle solving and brail and two certain pokemon to even activate their event. Only to catch this legendary and learn it has an ability even worse than slaking.
Imagine if Slow Start halved Regigigas' attack and speed for 5 turns, but then it abruptly doubles it in the sixth turn. That'll be broken as heck in some VGC strats
Posting this before I finish watching the vid:
As soon as you said "ZU" I just assume it has to do with it's bulk
Regigigas only managing to get banned in a Tier where Scraggy is unironically used and nothing else is hilarious
When I played on showdown as an early team, I liked playing the super low tiers because of the weirdness you could get away with (I was never good). My favorite competitive memory is getting regigigas past slow start on my PU paraflinch/parafusion team.
I really like the fact that you share tournament, because I think it's a great way to make people to want to try strategy
Wouldnt giga be good in doubles? Since netrulazing gas would nullify his ability
It is pretty decent and has seen some results indeed. It's a strategy very prone to disruption, that is extremely committal (you have to bring 2 pokemon out of 4 for it, and they always need to be together, and Weezing in itself isn't very good so you're essentially playing 3v4.
Not to say that it's bad, again, it has seen some results, but it's also far from a world beater
Poor thing finally finds a home, and gets kicked out of it...
New Slow Start: On switch in, -2 omniboost. At the start of its turn, +1 omniboost.
I thought the beginning was LC lmao
Thing is if you can Entrainment any other ability other than a small few he becomes a beast. I gave him hustle and he was very strong! like he could OHKO most pokemon. (ofc not defensive invested ones) Shows how 1 ability can make or break a pokemon.
In balanced Hackmons, Regigigas is a premier pokemon. Immunity to spectral thief, good bulk, and decent speed make it a powerhouse as one of the more viable set up sweepers in the tier. I personally run shift gear on most of my teams. Only thing that would make the mon better is if it was dark type so prankster mons couldn't mess with it
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Damn, dude is so bad he only shines when he’s up against a cricket, a butterfly, a snail, and a fucking bell.
this is very specific but how would regigigas do with iron ball and trick room? it would be unable to use its staggering attack to good use but with iron ball and slow start itll start with half speed and with iron ball it would make it slow enough to outspeed many things in trick room. since slow start technically makes both spa and attk 80 you can make it a mix attacker as its uninvested bulk will let it survive a hit.
Regigigas (and Slaking) would do amazingly in the petmod where it's like gen 1. No abilities, no hazards, no items, pre-physical/special split, crit is calculated with speed, stats are maxed, etc. Both would probably end up banned because they've got stats and all the moves they could ask for.
Regigigas is much better in doubles tho, there are a lot of moves that change/supress the ability, making regigigas reach its full potential on the start of the battle
Not really vid related but how powerful do we think hazards that acted like T spikes but caused other status? Like let’s say a pokemon lays down hot coals and for 3-5 turns, any pokemon that switches in is burned. I say 3-5 turns bc permanent feels broken and coals obviously cool off so it makes thematic sense. A para hazard would be so broken
Is Politoed in ZU?? I know it's not amazing, but like.. is it actually in the same tier as hippopotas?
regigigas is my little baby and i love them so much and i hope it wins a major one day
One day Regigigas will wake up and that day is the day we run
I'd join the tourney if you had monotype section, if you do and I can't see it my bad
what I don't get is how they can make regigigas with this base 670 power, give it this hindering ability, then create a legendary whose base form has basically the same bulk, way higher speed, an ability that BOOSTS its attack, then give that same boosted legendary a form with even HIGHER base power than regigigas. I am of course talking about Zacian
regigigas has resorted to beating up teenagers and children you hate to see it
Here’s an idea for a slow start rework: make the starting turns either only apply once per battle or be only 3 turns upon entry, then, after starting turns are over, give regigigas some sort of boost as it awakens. (So maybe just a damage boost, like 30 percent, maybe make it ignore normal resists, or gain priority on normal type attacks (similar to gen 6 talonflame)
I love crumpling regigigas with a high jump kick
Where do you take the footage for your videos? I saw Haund at one point and I personally know him, it’s weird lol
Regigigias: Is good, nerfed into the grave. Rayquaza: Is good, given far more op Mega form
Regigigas is also banned from gen 5 zu for similar reasons
I run regigigas in ubers doubles to just skill swap it to the enemy team and cripple their sweeper... lure them into thinking its safe to set up and watch them have max attack and still hit like a squeaky toy...
Slowstart should get a buff either 3 turns or like sleep that can burn turn and if you switch it doesn’t reset
Considering the power creep with the recent years, just straight up delete slow start it wpuldnt even be broken compared to some other pokemon
Y'all are forgetting another area where Regigigas shines: doubles. You send it out with a Pokemon that has Simple Beam, and you have created a monster
Gigas was viable in doubles when combined with weezing galar because of neutralizing gas, was in the OU tier or am I remembering this wrong?
In the OM Sketched on Showdown, I give Regigigas "Skill Swap". But even then with giving the opponent Slow Start while removing it yourself, that extra move slot being missing is... it's apparently not that good
i just tought of a slow start that gives you -2 atk and spd on switch in and every 2 turns gives you +1 atk and speed, so turn 4 would be neutral, turn 6 +1
also if you predict an haze you can remove the -2 right son the switch, or just use haze in doubles
Are you ever gonna clean up that tier pyramid cut out? It looks like garbage with all that random stuff sticking out from it
Of course he’s banned in ZU, he literally says zut-zut
Nice to see that when Regigigas faces off against baby Pokemon and the worst Route 1 fodder he's finally usable. Good for him.
Regigigas could lose slow start tomorrow and it wouldn't even be OU lmao
If I would buff Regigigas so that slow start wouldn't completely shut it down and so it could actually make some use of it's offensive stats, I would just make some kind of new item that negates the holder's own ability. Would be a great help to Gigas, but it would still have to watch out for knock off and trick/switcheroo.
Tbf regigigas has been a big threat in some vgc formats by pairing with weezing’s neutralizing gas
Once you sign up for the lc open how do you actually play the tournament in Pokémon showdown
I love that video : " a pokemon with 720 base stats was banned from the lowest tier ! Here is why."
Im honestly surprised hes what bad. Sure hes not good, but in very low Tiers he sould have a Chance as Special Attacker, or Staller whit Toxin and Drainpunch.
His Defenses are still fine.
I wonder how OP Regigigas would be if they were in LC
Wait why gourgeist small can u make a video about that
If someday they give Regigigas 'Huge Power' (highly unlikely), I'll like to see how he fares in competitive.
can you do a video on why kommo-o got put in uubl?
You should make a video on Weezing + Regigigas!
I will never understand why they made this ability, like, instead of giving the pokemon that can move mountains something like iron fist, they gave it such a hinderance that fully evolved pokemon are simply too much for it
Why is he banned in almost any ability like his stats are on par w other legendaries. Idk i always feel like smogon overbans stuff even in a “for fun” game mode
This is how I run regigigas in gen 4. I honestly think it’s the correct way.
Literally if slow start just halved speed only regigigas would be much better
Slow start lasts 3 turns, prevents it switching/phased out through any means, keeps the attack/spa/speed halving but doubles it’s spdf+def while getting it going, and heals 50% upon completion
Eff it I wanna see regigigas do something stupid like switching intwo a banded stab guts close combat and take chip damage
I wonder why regigigas gets slow start when Mons like zacian gets a free +1 atk
So if Regigigas was banned in Gen 6 ZU specifically, is it allowed in Gen 7 and 8 ZU, and if so why ISN'T it broken in those tiers?
regigigas is essentially a very poor set up sweeper; it's not broken in gen7zu because the power level is far higher and it struggles with offensive tanks like golem and torterra, whereas this gen has like.. klang. same deal with gen 8 i imagine
only if there was a move that changed your type that an ally could use.
regigigas' stats are literally just an above average legendary too... he could have a slightly useful ability instead and not even be OP
He's literally on the same level as Slaking.
Or even if it has to be a debilitating ability... Normalize is right there, and if fits.
It's a godawful ability
But it would be better at least
I disagree. If Regigigas had Pickup as its ability I think it would be in Ubers without a doubt. Its stats are fantastic.
@@iss2075 Oh for sure, any legendary with 680 BST that has rounded stats would be ubers. But regigigas is a legendary that has a lot of lore hype and isn't a mythical. He deserves to be Ubers imo, I was more saying it wouldn't be a Zacian or Mega Ray situation of he gets banned from ubers. He'd probably be B+ tier in ubers
Petition to give Regigigas iron fist instead of slow start
Huge Power Is Better. He moved continents
@@Drakorre I like this idea better
its kinda sad to see a legendary only good in a tier with nfes