late response but I just wanted to say I agree. I range from agnostic to atheist depending on how my day's going but even I groan alloud with how often popular media trash religion, its horrifically unnecessary. To me, its simple. The same people that were always prejudiced will always be prejudiced, regardless of generation. Its no longer 'cool' to hate blacks or gays, so now they hate religion instead. In another 10 years itll be a new group thats 'okay' to hate, and the cycle continues.
Enjoy this podcast so much. Always enjoyed Wendigoons content and it makes me happy to see a Christian succeed on TH-cam while being open about his beliefs. Keep up the good work and hope to see you a third time on the official podcast! Always fun to see
I’m so glad Wendigoon is on a pod about super interesting stuff making it fun and easy to consume. You guys help so much while I do school work or laying around thank you guys ❤️
If you guys ever run out of biblical stories to talk about (probably still got a long time till that day), or maybe for a change of pace, I've got a suggestion for a related topic. With both your expertise on the Bible and history, I'd love to hear discussions on Christian traditions relating to other religions. What I mean is, people often say a lot of Christian stuff was just taken from a pagan religion and a lot of holidays we now celebrate as Christian (Christmas, Easter) are to replace pagan holidays. However, I've listened to other podcasts where a pretty knowledgeable Catholic guy said, yeah that's not true and there's actual reasons why Christmas is when it is relating to Christ's birth... Anyways, what I'm getting at is, with your knowledge it would be good to hear what you guys think or know in matters such as comparing religions (as in how they might relate to Christianity) as well as Christian traditions and their history.
From my understanding as a pagan who is really interested in learning about this stuff, the holidays themselves are based on Christian beliefs/events, but traditions such as Christmas trees or Easter eggs are either originally pagan in nature or introduced by the Victorians. Seeing them analyze other stuff related to Christianity/The Bible would honestly be cool though. Personally I would love to see them go through the Keys of Solomon, which are absolutely wild to learn about.
A thought I had of why a lamb is because sheep are pretty peaceful animals - not totally peaceful because they can headbutt and stampede, but they are a herd animal that is inclined to peacefully graze if undisturbed. So to link that with the "Lamb of God' symbolism, God stands for peace (but not totally harmless) and a lamb is the innocent and pure version of that.
Yeah I feel like they missed that point when going over that subject briefly. There is some behavioral symbolism going on there with the lamb and the real animal. Like in the New Testament, where we have the analogy of the sheep and the goats.
I like another part in specifically the new testament where we are like stubborn dumb sheep that need our shepherd God. I know that sounds mean but that need for reliance on God is nice to me😅
Wendigoon: pays $400 for a suggestive calendar of his friend. -"So anyway, Jesus is representative of a lamb because it's purity and innocence. That's why Jesus is-"
Im actually suprised when they were mentioning music that August Burns Red wasnt brought. Hugely christian band. One of the members has his own podcast named something around The Holy Ghost podcast or something of the like. Definitely for those who like heavier music
I’d have to say if I could witness any Biblical moment I would want to be at the last supper, But if I couldn’t witness Christ I’d like to witness the moment read the 10 commandments to everyone. I don’t think I could handle seeing Jesus being crucified
As a christian, I think the one question I don't have a fullproof apologetic answer is for other intelligent life's sin and salvation plans since humanity is tied to adams sin and jesus becoming a human to restore that. Would love to hear what yall takes are.
hey cord fellow christian here I know I'm 2 months late but is this like how dolphins do some messed up stuff? cause I'm not sure that God gave other species a immortal spirit so im not sure if they can actually sin. honestly never even considered it
Yes , you’ve reminded me of that, there’s definitely a connection. Even to this day , the battle continues between the Israelites and the “Palestinians”
If I recall, the guy who crushed Jerusalem in 70 ad renamed the region Palestine to mock the jews, akin to if Germany won WWII and renamed England to "France 2"
"AcKtsHuAlly" Wasn't the water complaint at Kadesh the reason Moses wasn't allowed to enter the promised land? By the time of that incident, it'd been 40 years since the Jews had been this close to crossing over. That was the site where the spies were sent out, came back, and all but two of them stirred up the people against Moses with complaints about how they were going to die in the wilderness. That said, I can see how easily it was for Wendi to conflate the Moses water story and the spies bad report into one single event.
I still think of a tattoo with all the different types of Bible accurate angels in black and white with bright blue and red accents for the eyes and fire would be so amazing.
Idk if it’s mentioned or not, but when the Israelites camp in the desert, they camp in the formation of a cross. The Bible has the numbers of people per tribe, and they all camp in different spots (north, south, east, and west) some tribes are bigger than others…but when you do the math, it’s the formation of a crucifix.
One of the things that bugged me so much about Moses’ story was when God killed all those innocent Egyptian kids… Eventually that was one of the things that led me away from the faith. I know it’s not entirely related to this video but I really want to hear your thoughts on this. I’m sorry… I know its kinda a loaded question. It’s just, learning that as a kid was kinda traumatic. And I always thought it was F’ed up, yet the youth pastors never batted an eye. Was there something I missed…?
@@TheLoreLodge Yeah… but that was the Pharaoh Not the innocent children of Egypt. Are all those deaths truly justified because of the actions of one individual?
It was the bronze age. Every other societal issue was solved by genocide and or slavery. The eye for an eye style justice God went for is, for that era, impractically humane.
@@らいどう-c5m it is a different time you have to remember that back then people would kill each other over anything at all and it was kill or be killed. Also remember pharaoh did the same so it is a lesson coming back around. Also the children that live there would have made it to heaven from what I remember but it has been years, all people who don't have the comprehension of sin and understand how to turn away they are forgiven and saved. It may be messed up that they all died but they would have been going back home. If you also start to look as life as your passage to heaven then death is you coming home.
Not sure if they mention this in the video, but, supposedly, the tradition of calling Israel "Palestine" was a form of mockery by the Romans following the crushing of Jerusalem, with the word being derived from "Philistines", and thus stripping Israel/Judea of even their name remaining on the land and renaming it after one of their greatest ancestral enemies. It'd be like if Nazi Germany conquered Great Britain and renamed the island "France 2: The frankening", just to add insult to injury. Of the tribes of Israel, there was no "Tribe" of Joseph, as Jacob gave Joseph the double portion of his blessing/inheritance, which was then split between Joseph's sons Ephraim and Manasseh. Thus there were 12 tribes, as Joseph's descendants made up two "half-tribes" The land, however, was split only 12 ways, as the tribe of Levi didn't have a specific area of it's own, but rather had designated regions in each of the other tribes, as they were the custodians of the Priesthood. Regarding the striking of the rock, I seem to recall it being two separate events, the first being striking the rock, and the second being when he was ordered to speak to the rock a while AFTER the 40 year punishment. I believe Hebrews states that it was a symbolic image of Christ being the rock that is struck and from whom living water flows. The way my pastor described it, anyway, was that the second time should have represented that the work was completed and that all was required was calling upon it, but Moses ruined the imagery by smiting the rock again. The fact he yelled "You want me to give you water, you rebels/morons!" definitely didn't help either, as he both made it seem like he was producing the water himself, like he had the superpower to make water, rather than acting as a conduit for God, while also making it seem as God himself were angry with the Israelites. This was when Moses himself was forbidden from entering Canaan, not the congregation as a whole, which was due to the fear and lack of faith the majority of the people had when the 12 spies were sent into Canaan and returned with the "there's giants here" report. The order of events being: Hebrews leave Mt. Sinai (Numbers 10:11) Spies sent into Canaan (Numbers 13) Israel refuses to enter Canaan (Numbers 14:1-5) Joshua and Caleb speak out in favor of entering (Numbers 14:6-9) God offers to wipe the other israelites out and start over with Moses, who pleads for forgiveness for the people (Numbers 14:11-22) God pronounces the punishment instead being that none of the generation that left Egypt would be allowed to enter the Promised land with the exception of Caleb and Joshua, and they'd all die in the wilderness. Num 14:23-38 Failed attempt to enter Canaan anyway (Rest of Numbers 14) Moses strikes the rock at Kadesh (Numbers 20)
Good book with Masonic backdrop: Robert Heinlein's If This Goes On. Written long before everything was on the internet. Would be interested in your thoughts on his portrayal.
Want to share my theory on the flesh pedestrian and the nephilim. I personally don't think the flesh pedestrians are nephilim, and at the least, I think they are so far from nephilim they cannot be properly refered to as nephilim. I personally postulate that Giants such as Goliath and the nephilim and Norse gods are three different distinct things. Norse/Greek/roman gods all have some sort of innate power. These would be men who would' 'fall' on others. Giants like Goliath have no supernatural powers, other than being big bois physically. Flesh pedestrians cannot teleport, at least as far as I know, but some of them can shapeshift. Some also are immune to bullets if those stories are to be believed. Some have minor teleportation, as in when you look away for a split second, they can get close nearly instantly. This may be fleshgait type memory editing though, simply removing the memory as it's made of it moving closer. That being said I do think that windy bois/ flesh pedestrians as a whole could be at least somewhat supernatural. I am interested to hear your take on this. "And the angels were as mountains, rotating in the void" P.s. absolutely love your channel. Glad to see how much you've grown. I think I got here at about 10k subs, and remebering the lorelodge and checking in to see 60+k subs was very impressive. Can't wait for 100k.
2:08:25 Question at this point had the no other idols thing been told to the people? Bc if the commandments had not been delivered yet that kinda rubs me the wrong way that God is angry for doing what these people have done in past in worship. They were probably seeking something familiar after this time of turmoil.
Actually, on the point of the Philistines disappearing, Mum has an anecdote that she saw something on TV where Yasser Arafat claimed Palestinian people were the Philistina. Maybe that was him trying to claim a false heritage, and given that ancient Philistine land may have been Israel, and modern Palestine is in that area as well... well maybe it is circumstantial location.
The term “Palestine” does derive from “Philistine” but in the sense that the Romans renamed the province in 72 AD after the Jewish Revolt. The name change was meant as an insult to the Jews, symbolically giving their homeland to their ancient enemies.
@@Boysermusic as is the Bible as a whole. Even in our days symbolically, the conflict continues between Palestinian people in the new established Israel nation.
I know that Mormons have a hymn about the first part... (it kinda slapps too!) Abraham the prophet prayed to have a son, so the Lord sent Isaac as the chosen one. Isaac begat Jacob, known as Israel; Jacob’s sons were twelve tribes, so the Bible tells
should it be touched on that God came down onto the mountain, on earth, and started feeling such anger towards the Israelites? If im not mistaken he wasnt so angry when dealing with sodom and gommorah or the great flood? Why is it that when he came down to earth, it seems like he started feeling through a more human stained glass?
I get what you’re getting that, and he was still part of Abraham seed, so no promise would’ve been broken. So he was a Israelite but I don’t believe he would’ve been considered a Jew, since you can only be from the tribe of Judah is considered a Jew.. And I believe him, and his brother of Course were from the tribe of Levi
I’m an atheist religious studies MA. I actually enjoy hearing others talk about their faith, theology, and philosophy. We wouldn’t agree on pretty much anything. I don’t view the Exodus as historical in the way it’s portrayed, Judaism was originally henotheistic and became monotheistic during the Babylonian exile, Slavery was/is approved by YHWH and what was read only referred to how to treat Jewish/Hebrew slaves (foreign slaves had it much worse), I don’t see Jesus prophesied anywhere in the Hebrew Bible/OT, etc. However, my only push back would be to be aware of antisemitism. I understand it’s not meant to be malicious but Christian interpretation can come off that way. Pointing out how dumb you think the Jews are/were or that you believe they committed deicide hasn’t led to very good things historically.
Growing up in the church I always thought the prophecies of Jesus were just added over the ages by nuns. Either that, or the prophecies did happen by coincidince. It always bothered me how certain they were that some text is talking about Jesus. Even Isaiah 53 doesn't make sense near the end.
@@ivetterodriguez9628 I grew up in church too, I actually got into religious studies because my church experience. All the Gospels were written 40+ years after Jesus’s crucifixion. With the prophecies, Jesus actually didn’t fulfill the Jewish Messianic prophecies. That’s the reason Christians think he’s going to return and do them. The other prophecies like Isiah 53 weren’t ever considered prophecies by most Jews. The Gospel writers chose things like being from David’s line, being from Bethlehem, and escaping Egypt and being born from a virgin (the Hebrew just says young woman btw) and created the story. The scholarly consensus is Mark was written first around 70-80 and copied along with the Q Gospel (lost gospel with only quotes of Jesus). Around 80-90 Luke and Matthew copied Mark and added and changed things they didn’t like. John was completely separate and written around 90. Most Christians were former pagans so Christianity is a weird mix of Paganism and Judaism, very few Jews actually converted and all Jesus’s followers besides Paul expected people to convert to Judaism if they wanted to be considered Christians. It’s doubtful the early Christians even viewed Jesus as god.
If you're worried about Antisemitism it's not the religion that gives credit to Judaism as the start of abrahamic religions you need to worry about. It's actually kind of laughable to feel the need to say it even given Jews and christians havent had major conflicts in what, 1850 years?
You guys are sooooo close. @Lore Lodge. Do some more research about the Elohim in regards to the Canaanite- Pre-Abrahamic faith. Yahwe is a child of El. Start there and follow the rabbit hole.
I say this respectfully, you guys laugh too much, you should be more serious when speaking of stories of the prophets the past generations, and this is coming from a Muslim. Also just wanted to clear Aaron of building the golden calf, the Quran clears up that lie attributed to a prophet of God. Aaron was never involved in building or worshiping the calf, instead he warned his people against doing such actions. The story is mentioned in Surah Taha and Al Araf in the Quran.
With all due respect, the Quran is absolutely no authority on Old Testament stories. It was written 1800 years after the events of Exodus by a man who got numerous Old Testament stories wrong.
@@TheLoreLodge The Quran doesn’t get any stories wrong since it’s the direct word of God, revelation from the One who has witnessed all events in history. It corrects the errors in the stories of the past generations and frees the prophets of lies and wrong-doings attributed to them. However I can’t force you to believe this nor can you force me to believe otherwise, you must simply do your own research. Peace.
@@thunder9134 I have read the Quran, and while I respect your interest in believing it, I do not share your confidence. I do appreciate your tolerance, however. Peace be upon you, brother.
@@thunder9134 Genuinely curious, what is the Qur'an's explanation for how and why there are so many errors, or perhaps misconceptions of previous works. Or, barring that it doesn't explicitly state why or how, what is your understanding of how there were errors or misunderstandings, if not outright lies made about the prophets, accusing them of wrongdoings? Is it attributed to outright malice, ignorance, human error, some combination ? Thanks.
@@thegrimharvest yes Quran is aware of the distortions of the previous scriptures for example the bible claims that prophet Solomon (peace be upon him) disbelieved and worshiped idols, the Quran clears that false accusation “Never did Solomon disbelieve” 2:102 Also biblical scholars are even aware of the corruption, distortion, adding and subtracting of the bible, so it’s not safe to put our salvation on the line for something that may or may not be 100% the word of God. Also I’ll list some ayats (verses of the Quran) that may answer your question: So woe to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”-seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they have earned. Al-Baqarah, Ayah 79 Do you covet [the hope, O believers], that they would believe for you while a party of them used to hear the words of Allah and then distort the Torah after they had understood it while they were knowing? Al-Baqarah, Ayah 75 There are some among them who distort the Book with their tongues to make you think this ˹distortion˺ is from the Book-but it is not what the Book says. They say, “It is from Allah”-but it is not from Allah. And ˹so˺ they attribute lies to Allah knowingly. Aal-E-Imran, Ayah 78
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Wow almost 7 minutes... very breaded of them lol.
Thanks, friend
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I thoroughly enjoyed how open to faith Daredevil was. It's just nice to find a really great show that's not also openly hostile to your own beliefs.
late response but I just wanted to say I agree. I range from agnostic to atheist depending on how my day's going but even I groan alloud with how often popular media trash religion, its horrifically unnecessary.
To me, its simple. The same people that were always prejudiced will always be prejudiced, regardless of generation. Its no longer 'cool' to hate blacks or gays, so now they hate religion instead. In another 10 years itll be a new group thats 'okay' to hate, and the cycle continues.
Ahh my favorite time of the month, honestly one of the best podcasts out there
May god bless Wendi and his guns.
Wendiguns!
I came for the fun explanations of supernatural critters, I'm staying for the incredible analysis of my own faith
Wendigoon is such a beast. Pushed the calendar through lmao. Keep it up guys! Both channels are fantastic.
Enjoy this podcast so much. Always enjoyed Wendigoons content and it makes me happy to see a Christian succeed on TH-cam while being open about his beliefs. Keep up the good work and hope to see you a third time on the official podcast! Always fun to see
I may be nonreligious, but I find a lot of meaning in these readings and they are very thought-provoking! Thank you
I love this podcast! Always listen while I'm at work. Keep it up guys great job!
I’m so glad Wendigoon is on a pod about super interesting stuff making it fun and easy to consume. You guys help so much while I do school work or laying around thank you guys ❤️
Reasons Wendigoon is my favorite TH-camr: Donates $393 to a friend to force him into a sexy calendar
Just discovered yiur channel recently. Im so glad to find people with exactly the same attitude towards the Israelites as I have
If you guys ever run out of biblical stories to talk about (probably still got a long time till that day), or maybe for a change of pace, I've got a suggestion for a related topic. With both your expertise on the Bible and history, I'd love to hear discussions on Christian traditions relating to other religions. What I mean is, people often say a lot of Christian stuff was just taken from a pagan religion and a lot of holidays we now celebrate as Christian (Christmas, Easter) are to replace pagan holidays. However, I've listened to other podcasts where a pretty knowledgeable Catholic guy said, yeah that's not true and there's actual reasons why Christmas is when it is relating to Christ's birth... Anyways, what I'm getting at is, with your knowledge it would be good to hear what you guys think or know in matters such as comparing religions (as in how they might relate to Christianity) as well as Christian traditions and their history.
From my understanding as a pagan who is really interested in learning about this stuff, the holidays themselves are based on Christian beliefs/events, but traditions such as Christmas trees or Easter eggs are either originally pagan in nature or introduced by the Victorians.
Seeing them analyze other stuff related to Christianity/The Bible would honestly be cool though. Personally I would love to see them go through the Keys of Solomon, which are absolutely wild to learn about.
Can’t believe I missed the stream again. Gonna catch it one of these days
A thought I had of why a lamb is because sheep are pretty peaceful animals - not totally peaceful because they can headbutt and stampede, but they are a herd animal that is inclined to peacefully graze if undisturbed. So to link that with the "Lamb of God' symbolism, God stands for peace (but not totally harmless) and a lamb is the innocent and pure version of that.
Yeah I feel like they missed that point when going over that subject briefly. There is some behavioral symbolism going on there with the lamb and the real animal. Like in the New Testament, where we have the analogy of the sheep and the goats.
I like another part in specifically the new testament where we are like stubborn dumb sheep that need our shepherd God. I know that sounds mean but that need for reliance on God is nice to me😅
I love these videos. I wish you guys could do them more often.
Wendigoon: pays $400 for a suggestive calendar of his friend. -"So anyway, Jesus is representative of a lamb because it's purity and innocence. That's why Jesus is-"
Im actually suprised when they were mentioning music that August Burns Red wasnt brought. Hugely christian band. One of the members has his own podcast named something around The Holy Ghost podcast or something of the like. Definitely for those who like heavier music
I'm only halfway through so I'm not sure if they mention them but Fit for a King is nice and heavy too.
@@Son_of_Russ they didnt. Just alot more of the "mainstream" stuff. Though for its genre ABR is mainstream lol
Phinhaes is amazing as well. Idk if they mention that one.
Huh never knew that about them. Not a massive fan though so could be that.
@@pigboiii August Burns Red's christmas albums fucking slap. I play them every year. Im hoping they do another one this year
I love this so much please keep it up
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I’d have to say if I could witness any Biblical moment I would want to be at the last supper, But if I couldn’t witness Christ I’d like to witness the moment read the 10 commandments to everyone. I don’t think I could handle seeing Jesus being crucified
That would’ve been cool seen Moses come down out of the mountain
Can we get some specific book/article/video recommendations for learning about the Seminole? 1:40:04
As a christian, I think the one question I don't have a fullproof apologetic answer is for other intelligent life's sin and salvation plans since humanity is tied to adams sin and jesus becoming a human to restore that. Would love to hear what yall takes are.
hey cord fellow christian here I know I'm 2 months late but is this like how dolphins do some messed up stuff? cause I'm not sure that God gave other species a immortal spirit so im not sure if they can actually sin. honestly never even considered it
Are you talking about aliens or animals the earth like the person above me said?
I’m not sure there’s a real connection here, but the Arabic word for Palestine is فلسطين
which is pronounced just like ‘philistine’
Yes , you’ve reminded me of that, there’s definitely a connection. Even to this day , the battle continues between the Israelites and the “Palestinians”
If I recall, the guy who crushed Jerusalem in 70 ad renamed the region Palestine to mock the jews, akin to if Germany won WWII and renamed England to "France 2"
Love this podcast!
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Wasn't the water complaint at Kadesh the reason Moses wasn't allowed to enter the promised land? By the time of that incident, it'd been 40 years since the Jews had been this close to crossing over. That was the site where the spies were sent out, came back, and all but two of them stirred up the people against Moses with complaints about how they were going to die in the wilderness.
That said, I can see how easily it was for Wendi to conflate the Moses water story and the spies bad report into one single event.
Will you ever cover the book of Ecclesiastes?
I still think of a tattoo with all the different types of Bible accurate angels in black and white with bright blue and red accents for the eyes and fire would be so amazing.
why does Wendigoon pronounce these mountains like a fed? especially with him talking about shooting dogs. is he an ATF agent? is archie safe?
We could totally crowdfund a Bible movie for wendi
I could not find this playlist on spotify x.x
This show isn’t on Spotify (yet)
@@TheLoreLodge I meant the unforseen Christian playlist
Waiting for new video hope it come up soon
Watching as a word out
Idk if it’s mentioned or not, but when the Israelites camp in the desert, they camp in the formation of a cross. The Bible has the numbers of people per tribe, and they all camp in different spots (north, south, east, and west) some tribes are bigger than others…but when you do the math, it’s the formation of a crucifix.
Please tell me youre not debunking billy carsons story wgere moses steals the ark and the lid blew across the kings chamber. Love that one. 😂
One of the things that bugged me so much about Moses’ story was when God killed all those innocent Egyptian kids…
Eventually that was one of the things that led me away from the faith.
I know it’s not entirely related to this video but I really want to hear your thoughts on this.
I’m sorry… I know its kinda a loaded question.
It’s just, learning that as a kid was kinda traumatic. And I always thought it was F’ed up, yet the youth pastors never batted an eye.
Was there something I missed…?
Pharaoh did it to the Israelites first
@@TheLoreLodge Yeah… but that was the Pharaoh
Not the innocent children of Egypt.
Are all those deaths truly justified because of the actions of one individual?
@@らいどう-c5m this is a question I've had as well. I'm interested to hear their thoughts on this.
It was the bronze age.
Every other societal issue was solved by genocide and or slavery. The eye for an eye style justice God went for is, for that era, impractically humane.
@@らいどう-c5m it is a different time you have to remember that back then people would kill each other over anything at all and it was kill or be killed. Also remember pharaoh did the same so it is a lesson coming back around. Also the children that live there would have made it to heaven from what I remember but it has been years, all people who don't have the comprehension of sin and understand how to turn away they are forgiven and saved. It may be messed up that they all died but they would have been going back home. If you also start to look as life as your passage to heaven then death is you coming home.
Where will we be able to buy this movie
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Not sure if they mention this in the video, but, supposedly, the tradition of calling Israel "Palestine" was a form of mockery by the Romans following the crushing of Jerusalem, with the word being derived from "Philistines", and thus stripping Israel/Judea of even their name remaining on the land and renaming it after one of their greatest ancestral enemies. It'd be like if Nazi Germany conquered Great Britain and renamed the island "France 2: The frankening", just to add insult to injury.
Of the tribes of Israel, there was no "Tribe" of Joseph, as Jacob gave Joseph the double portion of his blessing/inheritance, which was then split between Joseph's sons Ephraim and Manasseh. Thus there were 12 tribes, as Joseph's descendants made up two "half-tribes" The land, however, was split only 12 ways, as the tribe of Levi didn't have a specific area of it's own, but rather had designated regions in each of the other tribes, as they were the custodians of the Priesthood.
Regarding the striking of the rock, I seem to recall it being two separate events, the first being striking the rock, and the second being when he was ordered to speak to the rock a while AFTER the 40 year punishment. I believe Hebrews states that it was a symbolic image of Christ being the rock that is struck and from whom living water flows. The way my pastor described it, anyway, was that the second time should have represented that the work was completed and that all was required was calling upon it, but Moses ruined the imagery by smiting the rock again. The fact he yelled "You want me to give you water, you rebels/morons!" definitely didn't help either, as he both made it seem like he was producing the water himself, like he had the superpower to make water, rather than acting as a conduit for God, while also making it seem as God himself were angry with the Israelites. This was when Moses himself was forbidden from entering Canaan, not the congregation as a whole, which was due to the fear and lack of faith the majority of the people had when the 12 spies were sent into Canaan and returned with the "there's giants here" report.
The order of events being:
Hebrews leave Mt. Sinai (Numbers 10:11)
Spies sent into Canaan (Numbers 13)
Israel refuses to enter Canaan (Numbers 14:1-5)
Joshua and Caleb speak out in favor of entering (Numbers 14:6-9)
God offers to wipe the other israelites out and start over with Moses, who pleads for forgiveness for the people (Numbers 14:11-22)
God pronounces the punishment instead being that none of the generation that left Egypt would be allowed to enter the Promised land with the exception of Caleb and Joshua, and they'd all die in the wilderness. Num 14:23-38
Failed attempt to enter Canaan anyway (Rest of Numbers 14)
Moses strikes the rock at Kadesh (Numbers 20)
As an Englishman the idea of Britain being renamed "France 2: The Frankening" makes me seethe, well done.
I mean, you could just have Wendigoon take four of the months for you guys in the calendar. He’s cute.
Good book with Masonic backdrop: Robert Heinlein's If This Goes On. Written long before everything was on the internet. Would be interested in your thoughts on his portrayal.
imagine if they had Fitbits back then. their step count would be off the charts!
Want to share my theory on the flesh pedestrian and the nephilim. I personally don't think the flesh pedestrians are nephilim, and at the least, I think they are so far from nephilim they cannot be properly refered to as nephilim. I personally postulate that Giants such as Goliath and the nephilim and Norse gods are three different distinct things. Norse/Greek/roman gods all have some sort of innate power. These would be men who would' 'fall' on others. Giants like Goliath have no supernatural powers, other than being big bois physically. Flesh pedestrians cannot teleport, at least as far as I know, but some of them can shapeshift. Some also are immune to bullets if those stories are to be believed. Some have minor teleportation, as in when you look away for a split second, they can get close nearly instantly. This may be fleshgait type memory editing though, simply removing the memory as it's made of it moving closer. That being said I do think that windy bois/ flesh pedestrians as a whole could be at least somewhat supernatural. I am interested to hear your take on this.
"And the angels were as mountains, rotating in the void"
P.s. absolutely love your channel. Glad to see how much you've grown. I think I got here at about 10k subs, and remebering the lorelodge and checking in to see 60+k subs was very impressive. Can't wait for 100k.
Flesh WHAT NOW?
On the topic of the music topic section near the end of the podcast, how do y’all feel about the Christian metal band Stryper?
2:08:25 Question at this point had the no other idols thing been told to the people? Bc if the commandments had not been delivered yet that kinda rubs me the wrong way that God is angry for doing what these people have done in past in worship. They were probably seeking something familiar after this time of turmoil.
Y’all guys should listen to “I’m so sick” it’s a christian song and so amazing
I must've been one of these people stuck in the desert in my past life 😂😂😂
Got to love adens masonic background tiles.
They’re just acoustic panels 😂
@@TheLoreLodge mmmhhhmm, no hate brother. Love your stuff especially the weird Bible studies.
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Actually, on the point of the Philistines disappearing, Mum has an anecdote that she saw something on TV where Yasser Arafat claimed Palestinian people were the Philistina. Maybe that was him trying to claim a false heritage, and given that ancient Philistine land may have been Israel, and modern Palestine is in that area as well... well maybe it is circumstantial location.
The term “Palestine” does derive from “Philistine” but in the sense that the Romans renamed the province in 72 AD after the Jewish Revolt. The name change was meant as an insult to the Jews, symbolically giving their homeland to their ancient enemies.
@@TheLoreLodge that's wildly interesting
@@Boysermusic as is the Bible as a whole. Even in our days symbolically, the conflict continues between Palestinian people in the new established Israel nation.
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I know that Mormons have a hymn about the first part... (it kinda slapps too!)
Abraham the prophet prayed to have a son, so the Lord sent Isaac as the chosen one.
Isaac begat Jacob, known as Israel;
Jacob’s sons were twelve tribes, so the Bible tells
Will Isaac die?! First cliffhanger ending ever.
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I keep forgetting to bring this up on the stream, but yall need to check out The Chosen for some based Chrsitian film content
Yeah, I’ve heard about that. Does it still cost of membership to watch all the episodes?
should it be touched on that God came down onto the mountain, on earth, and started feeling such anger towards the Israelites? If im not mistaken he wasnt so angry when dealing with sodom and gommorah or the great flood? Why is it that when he came down to earth, it seems like he started feeling through a more human stained glass?
It's The Lore Lussy, and the Wendigussy.
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i created this intelligent race of people, sure hope they at some point act intelligently.
Let's be honest, I don't know who came here to see the boys "on the rails"
I forgot there was genocide within Israel.
Moses was just as Jew as them.
If Moses had let The LORD burn them all & restart with his line, no promise is broken.
I get what you’re getting that, and he was still part of Abraham seed, so no promise would’ve been broken. So he was a Israelite but I don’t believe he would’ve been considered a Jew, since you can only be from the tribe of Judah is considered a Jew..
And I believe him, and his brother of Course were from the tribe of Levi
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The Bible is a fucking comedy sometimes
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Hobbits are English. Dwarves are Jewish.
Hobbits are Irish. ☘️
I’m an atheist religious studies MA. I actually enjoy hearing others talk about their faith, theology, and philosophy.
We wouldn’t agree on pretty much anything. I don’t view the Exodus as historical in the way it’s portrayed, Judaism was originally henotheistic and became monotheistic during the Babylonian exile, Slavery was/is approved by YHWH and what was read only referred to how to treat Jewish/Hebrew slaves (foreign slaves had it much worse), I don’t see Jesus prophesied anywhere in the Hebrew Bible/OT, etc.
However, my only push back would be to be aware of antisemitism. I understand it’s not meant to be malicious but Christian interpretation can come off that way. Pointing out how dumb you think the Jews are/were or that you believe they committed deicide hasn’t led to very good things historically.
I smell a sneaky Jew, a self hating one at that
Growing up in the church I always thought the prophecies of Jesus were just added over the ages by nuns. Either that, or the prophecies did happen by coincidince.
It always bothered me how certain they were that some text is talking about Jesus. Even Isaiah 53 doesn't make sense near the end.
@@ivetterodriguez9628 I grew up in church too, I actually got into religious studies because my church experience.
All the Gospels were written 40+ years after Jesus’s crucifixion. With the prophecies, Jesus actually didn’t fulfill the Jewish Messianic prophecies. That’s the reason Christians think he’s going to return and do them. The other prophecies like Isiah 53 weren’t ever considered prophecies by most Jews. The Gospel writers chose things like being from David’s line, being from Bethlehem, and escaping Egypt and being born from a virgin (the Hebrew just says young woman btw) and created the story. The scholarly consensus is Mark was written first around 70-80 and copied along with the Q Gospel (lost gospel with only quotes of Jesus). Around 80-90 Luke and Matthew copied Mark and added and changed things they didn’t like. John was completely separate and written around 90.
Most Christians were former pagans so Christianity is a weird mix of Paganism and Judaism, very few Jews actually converted and all Jesus’s followers besides Paul expected people to convert to Judaism if they wanted to be considered Christians. It’s doubtful the early Christians even viewed Jesus as god.
If you're worried about Antisemitism it's not the religion that gives credit to Judaism as the start of abrahamic religions you need to worry about. It's actually kind of laughable to feel the need to say it even given Jews and christians havent had major conflicts in what, 1850 years?
All I’ll say is , there’s many other scholars out there in ancient near East religions and languages that would like a word with you.
You haven't got a clue ???
You guys are sooooo close. @Lore Lodge. Do some more research about the Elohim in regards to the Canaanite- Pre-Abrahamic faith. Yahwe is a child of El. Start there and follow the rabbit hole.
Drink your god!!! >:C
Pretty easy considering they were never there
I say this respectfully, you guys laugh too much, you should be more serious when speaking of stories of the prophets the past generations, and this is coming from a Muslim. Also just wanted to clear Aaron of building the golden calf, the Quran clears up that lie attributed to a prophet of God. Aaron was never involved in building or worshiping the calf, instead he warned his people against doing such actions. The story is mentioned in Surah Taha and Al Araf in the Quran.
With all due respect, the Quran is absolutely no authority on Old Testament stories. It was written 1800 years after the events of Exodus by a man who got numerous Old Testament stories wrong.
@@TheLoreLodge The Quran doesn’t get any stories wrong since it’s the direct word of God, revelation from the One who has witnessed all events in history. It corrects the errors in the stories of the past generations and frees the prophets of lies and wrong-doings attributed to them. However I can’t force you to believe this nor can you force me to believe otherwise, you must simply do your own research. Peace.
@@thunder9134 I have read the Quran, and while I respect your interest in believing it, I do not share your confidence. I do appreciate your tolerance, however. Peace be upon you, brother.
@@thunder9134 Genuinely curious, what is the Qur'an's explanation for how and why there are so many errors, or perhaps misconceptions of previous works. Or, barring that it doesn't explicitly state why or how, what is your understanding of how there were errors or misunderstandings, if not outright lies made about the prophets, accusing them of wrongdoings? Is it attributed to outright malice, ignorance, human error, some combination ? Thanks.
@@thegrimharvest yes Quran is aware of the distortions of the previous scriptures for example the bible claims that prophet Solomon (peace be upon him) disbelieved and worshiped idols, the Quran clears that false accusation “Never did Solomon disbelieve” 2:102
Also biblical scholars are even aware of the corruption, distortion, adding and subtracting of the bible, so it’s not safe to put our salvation on the line for something that may or may not be 100% the word of God. Also I’ll list some ayats (verses of the Quran) that may answer your question:
So woe to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”-seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they have earned.
Al-Baqarah, Ayah 79
Do you covet [the hope, O believers], that they would believe for you while a party of them used to hear the words of Allah and then distort the Torah after they had understood it while they were knowing?
Al-Baqarah, Ayah 75
There are some among them who distort the Book with their tongues to make you think this ˹distortion˺ is from the Book-but it is not what the Book says. They say, “It is from Allah”-but it is not from Allah. And ˹so˺ they attribute lies to Allah knowingly.
Aal-E-Imran, Ayah 78
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