What Actually Happens During an MDMA Psychotherapy Session? - Marcela Ot'alora - HPP 68
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ต.ค. 2020
- Speakers: Keith Kurlander, Dr. Will Van Derveer, Marcela Ot'alora
Treating PTSD and other related mental illnesses can be quite challenging for therapists and providers. Each individual is so unique in terms of experiences and how trauma was developed in each case. In a therapy session, there really is no one way to treat clients.
Building trust between us and our clients surely goes a long way towards allowing healing to occur. But doing that can take time and can be extremely costly. But what if there was a faster and a more effective way of achieving that?
In today’s very insightful episode, we are honored to be joined by a deeply respected researcher and therapist, Marcela Ot’alora, M.F.A., M.A., L.P.C. Join us as we have this interesting conversation around psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy using MDMA and how much of an impact it can bring for our clients.
03:40 Understanding What Happens In A Therapy Session
06:27 MDMA In Action
11:37 Healing With MDMA
14:30 Healing with MDMA: Parts Work Perspective
22:28 Into The Session: How Trust Plays A Big Role
26:17 Co-therapy: Working Together Towards Healing
31:57 Presence And Dissociation: What We Need To Know
40:26 MDMA And Ketamine: Understanding How These Medicines Can Work Together
To learn more about Marcela Ot'alora:
● mapspublicbenefit.com/staff/m...
● www.naropa.edu/alumni-relatio...
● icpr2016.nl/speakers/marcela-o...
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I did a solo trip inside my hotel room. No loud music or alcohol involved. It was 6 hours of pure bliss and the best I love myself experience I have ever had. No psychedelic comes close to MDMA when it comes to love and forgiveness.
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@novatripps
He's on Instagram
I have a comparison to MDMA and Ketamine. They can be similar, but to get a similar experience with Ketamine there needs to be intention.
The empathic aspect of MDMA, the sense that you cannot have a bad experience only belongs to MDMA.
My Ketamine has been in a clinic.
When will this be legalized? The need is so great for sufferers of PTSD.
Exactly
Thank you for providing these insights ❤❤❤
This is amazing! Been searching for something like this for a few hours on youtube
Thank you so much for this! I absolutely feel the love and passion! This is so motivating for me to pursue this specialty. I’ve been on the fence so I am grateful for this video 🙏🏼
so crazy, I tried to talk to a few people about this, nearly everyone so closed off about it. We've got a ways to go, it would seem.
Wonderful interview, thank you.
Wonderful interview. So hopeful & affirming. There is a part of us ~ who we really are ~ that is always whole & complete. I also love the respect & love between the 3 of you. Thank you for this interview.
Thank you!
A thought concerning the usage of the word "ego". I think I have an idea what Marcela is trying to say, but she is using "ego" not in the sense many (spiritual) traditions do. In the latter, it is used in the sense of "outward facing persona that has some good elements that let you function but also lots - lots! - of dysfunctional, toxic, weakening elements". Someone who understands ego in this way would never want to "consolidate" it, but shrink it down/heal parts of it.
fed up with this not being legal in the States as it WAS 50 years ago and there is no date showing when we will get this life-saving therapy. we ae ding out here without this proven therapy. i have been suffering from PTSD for 60 years and have lost my entire family i have nothing left but death to be free, not going to die anytime soon but do not find relief using common therapy. WTF
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@Francisco-rv7ic not legal and will be fentanyl when gotten online
I'm doing this therapy next month. been working towards it. I am both scared and excited....
Hey let me refer you to this specialist I got hooked up with he's got pure MDMA for good rates, also got acids Dmt mushies ket percs lean an lot more very reliable and ship's to any location
*Orakletrip
On telegram and Instagram
I know you're probably scared its natural. be excited you are going to love it good luck with it I hope you finally get to heal whatever is going on for you much love
So... how did it go? I think I will also try it
Anything like THC - as in loosening identifying with thoughts?
@Shawnlaurelwhere can you get them online?
Only 3 comments wow???
Where is this work happening.
Clinical trials.gov. Type in mdma and location
I’m waiting for it to be legal
you could seek a legal clinical trial!
You can still purchase it for yourself
If getting it, is kind of difficult. Can link you to a mycologist
@@evolvetravel1 my doctors want to try all sorts of other options before I do a trial because they are not to confident in it since it’s just a trial.
Wait who is this guy? Did I miss something. Lol
He's on Instagram and telegram as,
Mycojamy
“Parts” therapists are highly indoctrinated and are able to do tremendous harm, deeply compounding trauma. Most people, including vulnerable people with PTSD, certainly do not have a collection of hidden, dissociated parts. Schwartz simply made the essential ideas of “Sybil” (the intriguing, long-ago debunked story of her MPD diagnosis of many “parts”) and made the same fundamental idea seem slightly more benign, more marketable.Since there’s no meaningfully regulation of what “therapists” do, and parts therapists are always seeking (or iatrogenically creating) “parts,” they can do great harm in order to satisfy their confirmation bias. Don’t break traumatized people down into the parts you are biased to find. 😱
Interesting thank you!
Eh, I think it's becoming well regarded in the psychiatric community that integrated family systems *ifs* is an accepted theory of human personality. Everyone has pieces of themselves, some people are better integrated. But it's perfectly healthy to allow yourself to have internal conflict and drives that don't always converge.
You clearly don't understand that "parts" are just a very helpful concept that connects different experiences with narratives or defences we have created due to different things that happened in our life. A very helpful concept to make sense of something immensely complex as a psyche is. Nothing nefarious from Schwartz.
The concept of natural multiplicity, central to IFS, is 180 degrees opposite from the mainstream view of the psyche as unitary. The reason IFS has accumulated so much popularity is how it tends to lower the resistance to change, when truly offered from a place of humility, not at all there to make assumptions.
We don’t tell our clients what parts they have or don’t have because, as the OP points out it’s rather insulting to presume that you know someone else’s parts more than they do. With 15 years studying, teaching and practicing IFS, the greatest skill to master is to use the oft-invoked IFS prompt “could that part step aside,” on IFS itself. In other words it’s not until someone expresses interest in their parts that we really use the model explicitly. It is very vulnerable to admit we have parts. Way before parts are ever even thought about it’s just about opening myself to non-agenda connection and love.
Grain of salt…I’m trained as a social worker so this is kind of our jam anyhew.
I for one have parts that also think the whole parts schema is bullshit, especially when I feel stressed, overwhelmed or depressed. Then when I settle down and stop denying that I’m actually hurting (and send love to it) I can see clearly that yeah, this shit does explain the weirdest things that can happen in my mind…and that is a big relief!
Every therapist and or professional is indoctrinated with what they are taught. Parts work does not work with everyone and is not fit everyone. You can say that about every modality.