I called it 🔥 R5C is in a league of its own. True hybrid camera. No overheating, cinema menu, no ibis, takes incredible photos. What I would want to see in an R5C ii is clog 2, built in wifi/bluetooth in the cinema menu, stacked sensor with higher secondary base iso, better AF, better audio options, full size hdmi, new recording formats shown in the r5ii for compressed 4k raw instead of a full scale 8k raw. My unrealistic wishes would be built in ND and triple base ISO since it would crossover into c80/c400 territory and mess with the small form factor
Don’t need internal ND, honestly could do without even Raw recordings. I just want the C400 sensor inside of the R sized body and make sure it has Cf express. I need a gimbal camera to go with my C400.
@@drummerg3331 yes and yes😄 codecs and focus falloff like the c70, get rid of the EVF and give us an optional cold shoe EVF. Fx style Body with a canon grip😄
The R5C is Canon’s current best all around camera. Yes, it is. I’d love to see an improved sensor (low light) and better autofocus in a version 2. Everything else can remain the same.
Cinema cameras are great, but how about Canon concentrates on releasing some new full frame RF L lenses which aren’t as heavy as a tank and don’t cost a fortune?
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker releasing those new f/1.4 L lenses were a good first step, but I think Canon users are impatient for Canon to open up their technology to third parties and wow us with some new lighter weight lenses to complement their newly released camera bodies.
@ Say what you want about Nikon but their line of S lenses are pretty sweet and compact. Even their 24-70 f/4 zoom which is not S is very sharp and compact. Price points really good too. Plus Nikon shares their technology to third parties.
@ItsBerg Oh wow a measly three lenses. That's soooo many. Meanwhile Nikon is currently laughing it's way to the the bank with their superior lens line up/support.
Hi Simon, while I share most of your analysis, I have a different reading what the RC will be .. I feel it will be a new body line rather than a single camera body ! Canon cleaned up their naming when moving from the R & Rp to namings including a number, while the 'R5 C' remains a little clumsy where to add the mark ii in the name (R5ii C or R5 Cii ??) .. Certainly they will end up with multiple videocentric bodies, and naming the first one simply RC is asking for another dead end naming road ;-) Hence, expect over time RC5, RC6, RC8 for FF and RC7 and RC10 for APS-C. This RC may ditch the EVF and will be more video-focused. indeed competing with Sony FX and 7C lines. The R7 C was likely ditched because of the R7 rolling shutter, so the RC7 will share for sure the stacked R7ii sensor.
I absolutely love my R5 C. I’ll be an early buyer of the Mark II. I only have one camera body and when I’m taking time lapse video of a Sunrise or Sunset, I often wish I had a second body so I could roam around taking pictures while recording video. I use the viewfinder so I don’t want that removed. cLog2 would be nice and I think the public angst against mini-HDMI has compelled a change to full sized HDMI. That patent for internal ND filters sure looked poised for an R5 C Mark II and that would be very welcome. WiFi too, sure. I really like the updates they added to the R5 Mark II, so I would expect an R5 C Mark II to get all those same auto focus and other improvements. If they manage to pull that off, I’ll definitely get an R5 C Mark II. These things are incredible. I don’t normally care about the churn of the rumor mill, but I’ll keep my eye on new/rreports/rumors associated with a potential R5 C Mark II. That would be the perfect camera body for me.
The C400 in June and the C80 as a follow up to the C70. I don't see the RC being aimed at the high-end as I stated I the video. The $1500-$2500 is the best price segment where canon is lacking.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker R7 and R8 are at that price point. But RF APS-C lens catalogue is just crap, even EF-M lenses were better. If Canon wants APS-C market back they need to replace the R100 with better video (and tactile screen) and the R7 with a faster sensor, a cinema camera. And, lenses, lenses, lenses.
I don't think that I'll be in the market for any new gear in 2025, especially not a video centric camera. It is fun to watch, though, to see what Canon may have coming up. Keep those news and rumors coming. Thanks, Simon!
Cathy, the only one that interests me now is the R7 successor. A report on the 50 f1.4 VCM. I am loving this lens. Just love it. It's quiet, light weight, small and great for travel. And much cheaper than the f1.2. I'll have to wait for some night shooting to see how it does in low light.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker I forgot about the R7 II. I could use the reach, but I would hold off until there are many real world reviews. I know many people that love the R7, but I really didn't. Canon has the opportunity now to really upgrade the R7 II to make it a great mirrorless APS-C camera. I'm glad you're loving your new lens. What genre of photography are you primarily using it for?
If anyone has been using an R5C extensively and has just updated to the latest firmware… this camera almost there. All they need to do is enable WiFi and Bluetooth on the cinema side and this thing will be just about a perfect camera. A true hybrid. If a mark II were to come out I’d love to see a global shutter, audio via usbc, clog 2, WiFi/bt. There’s definitely value in a true hybrid camera.
@ I totally agree. There’s definitely more room to advance this camera forward just a little more. Canon has always been a slow burn to get things updated and out to market but I feel with good reason. If you look back historically at the 5D cameras… in between the 5D3 and 5D4, we had the 5DS & 5DSR. I own and still use a 5DSR. They released that camera because they could and they snuck it in to body they already had similarly to the R5 and R5C. I feel that the 5DS and 5DSR were released because they nailed a higher resolution sensor great for stills but not quite yesterday for video. Those two cameras were a really great Segway to get canon to the R5 and later on the R5C. So, in short, if you ask me, the R5C is another camera release because they could. A test bed unit that functions and works really great for what it actually is. Clearly worked out better than they thought. I can tell you this they are definitely cooking up something that will blend what this camera has already done and use its weaknesses to deliver something truly incredible.
It's only after getting the R5C II that I understand how powerful the R5C is. Canon log 2 and waveforms - what a huge difference to my workflow: easy to capture and get the exposure right, less balancing, less colour grading to bring back colours.
Full Frame 15 to 20 Megapixel, raw recording and mounting points like the fx3 would be nice. Internal NDs yes awesome but I could live without them. Uh just imaging a komodo box style😄
@ yea most creators don’t really use the EVF for video these days and with canon upgrading to oled screen it wounded nice to have. That Fx form factor looks so good.
Those Sony cameras are not as equal as you said. a7Siii, FX-3 and ZV-E1 have the same 12 mp sensor. FX-30 have a 26 mp APS-C sensor and ZV-E10 have a 24 mp sensor (older).
if they want to have a cinema line of small size , it's better to have a FF / S35 / 1.6 crop convertible cinema cam like R5C , with better ventilation, 8K 60fps , 4K 120fps DCI or MAY BE better upgradable accessories , just may be .
Why do we need so many cameras?! Either users don’t fully understand how to maximize their gear, they’re caught up in Gear Acquisition Syndrome (GAS), or manufacturers are either clueless or capitalizing on the GAS frenzy.
as a Sony user i used many of them and they all have slog3. But i always think about canon colors and there is not many camera has clog2. Thats why i stay with sony. Lets see Canon whats cooking for us.
The R5 II is my first time using CL2 and I now understand why people love this log profile. It's amazing. It's not so much the colours, but how the profile is able to preserve them even in low light with little effort.
@@OrdinaryFilmmakeryes sir clog2 has better highlights and better shadows. But clog2 or clog3 even canon’s rec709 its more pleasing then Sony (in my opion as fx3 owner)
Canon will never catch up to Sony until they quit their cripple hammer behavior. They’ve done a wonderful job with the C400 and C80 but we need them to finish it out. By putting that sensor and capability into an R sized body. Make a true FX3 competitor. I’ll buy at least two of them to go with my C400
I called it 🔥 R5C is in a league of its own. True hybrid camera. No overheating, cinema menu, no ibis, takes incredible photos.
What I would want to see in an R5C ii is clog 2, built in wifi/bluetooth in the cinema menu, stacked sensor with higher secondary base iso, better AF, better audio options, full size hdmi, new recording formats shown in the r5ii for compressed 4k raw instead of a full scale 8k raw.
My unrealistic wishes would be built in ND and triple base ISO since it would crossover into c80/c400 territory and mess with the small form factor
You are wanting way too much... things that make sense
Bad thing is , the wifi *IS* built in. It’s just not enabled on the video side 🤦
@ really hope that’s just a firmware update. All we want is wireless control via phone app.
Don’t need internal ND, honestly could do without even Raw recordings. I just want the C400 sensor inside of the R sized body and make sure it has Cf express. I need a gimbal camera to go with my C400.
R7 and R8 are the perfect place to make MARK II and VR/cinema version
That's where I see the best opportunity.
I just want an r6C
What do you want in it?
@@drummerg3331 yes and yes😄 codecs and focus falloff like the c70, get rid of the EVF and give us an optional cold shoe EVF. Fx style Body with a canon grip😄
Well i want RPC then 🤣
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker the internals of the r6II (or upcoming r6III) with a built in fan so there’s no overheating.
@ 😄 that would be soooo funny
The R5C is Canon’s current best all around camera. Yes, it is. I’d love to see an improved sensor (low light) and better autofocus in a version 2. Everything else can remain the same.
Having the R5 II, I can see how you feel that way. Having just got wave forms - what a difference.
I want a Canon RC. RC = Retro Camera.
Cinema cameras are great, but how about Canon concentrates on releasing some new full frame RF L lenses which aren’t as heavy as a tank and don’t cost a fortune?
Yeah... well, they are working on a few L series senses, but not sure they won't cost a fortune...
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker releasing those new f/1.4 L lenses were a good first step, but I think Canon users are impatient for Canon to open up their technology to third parties and wow us with some new lighter weight lenses to complement their newly released camera bodies.
Bro 3 smaller lighter lenses dropped in 2024… jeez. We have a wide left and an 85 VCM and we done. What else r you even looking for.
@ Say what you want about Nikon but their line of S lenses are pretty sweet and compact. Even their 24-70 f/4 zoom which is not S is very sharp and compact. Price points really good too. Plus Nikon shares their technology to third parties.
@ItsBerg Oh wow a measly three lenses. That's soooo many. Meanwhile Nikon is currently laughing it's way to the the bank with their superior lens line up/support.
Hi Simon, while I share most of your analysis, I have a different reading what the RC will be .. I feel it will be a new body line rather than a single camera body !
Canon cleaned up their naming when moving from the R & Rp to namings including a number, while the 'R5 C' remains a little clumsy where to add the mark ii in the name (R5ii C or R5 Cii ??) .. Certainly they will end up with multiple videocentric bodies, and naming the first one simply RC is asking for another dead end naming road ;-)
Hence, expect over time RC5, RC6, RC8 for FF and RC7 and RC10 for APS-C.
This RC may ditch the EVF and will be more video-focused. indeed competing with Sony FX and 7C lines.
The R7 C was likely ditched because of the R7 rolling shutter, so the RC7 will share for sure the stacked R7ii sensor.
I absolutely love my R5 C. I’ll be an early buyer of the Mark II. I only have one camera body and when I’m taking time lapse video of a Sunrise or Sunset, I often wish I had a second body so I could roam around taking pictures while recording video.
I use the viewfinder so I don’t want that removed. cLog2 would be nice and I think the public angst against mini-HDMI has compelled a change to full sized HDMI. That patent for internal ND filters sure looked poised for an R5 C Mark II and that would be very welcome. WiFi too, sure.
I really like the updates they added to the R5 Mark II, so I would expect an R5 C Mark II to get all those same auto focus and other improvements.
If they manage to pull that off, I’ll definitely get an R5 C Mark II.
These things are incredible.
I don’t normally care about the churn of the rumor mill, but I’ll keep my eye on new/rreports/rumors associated with a potential R5 C Mark II. That would be the perfect camera body for me.
They did just realeae c80 and c400 towards fx6+
The C400 in June and the C80 as a follow up to the C70. I don't see the RC being aimed at the high-end as I stated I the video. The $1500-$2500 is the best price segment where canon is lacking.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker R7 and R8 are at that price point.
But RF APS-C lens catalogue is just crap, even EF-M lenses were better. If Canon wants APS-C market back they need to replace the R100 with better video (and tactile screen) and the R7 with a faster sensor, a cinema camera.
And, lenses, lenses, lenses.
I agree... the best opportunity for any RC would be the R7/R8 price point.
The R5A would be interesting 😁
A meaning for ASTRO photography?
RC will be Canon’s FX3… slimmer body, guts of r5ii =). The baby cine of the bunch, under the c70/80.
The FX3 would be very close to the R5c. Do you think Canon will continue the R5C - or how would these two cameras differ?
I don't think that I'll be in the market for any new gear in 2025, especially not a video centric camera. It is fun to watch, though, to see what Canon may have coming up. Keep those news and rumors coming. Thanks, Simon!
Cathy, the only one that interests me now is the R7 successor. A report on the 50 f1.4 VCM. I am loving this lens. Just love it. It's quiet, light weight, small and great for travel. And much cheaper than the f1.2. I'll have to wait for some night shooting to see how it does in low light.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker I forgot about the R7 II. I could use the reach, but I would hold off until there are many real world reviews. I know many people that love the R7, but I really didn't. Canon has the opportunity now to really upgrade the R7 II to make it a great mirrorless APS-C camera. I'm glad you're loving your new lens. What genre of photography are you primarily using it for?
If anyone has been using an R5C extensively and has just updated to the latest firmware… this camera almost there. All they need to do is enable WiFi and Bluetooth on the cinema side and this thing will be just about a perfect camera. A true hybrid.
If a mark II were to come out I’d love to see a global shutter, audio via usbc, clog 2, WiFi/bt.
There’s definitely value in a true hybrid camera.
@@myidentitydisorder I love that they’re still working to make this such a powerful tool via firmware updates
@ I totally agree. There’s definitely more room to advance this camera forward just a little more. Canon has always been a slow burn to get things updated and out to market but I feel with good reason.
If you look back historically at the 5D cameras… in between the 5D3 and 5D4, we had the 5DS & 5DSR. I own and still use a 5DSR. They released that camera because they could and they snuck it in to body they already had similarly to the R5 and R5C. I feel that the 5DS and 5DSR were released because they nailed a higher resolution sensor great for stills but not quite yesterday for video. Those two cameras were a really great Segway to get canon to the R5 and later on the R5C. So, in short, if you ask me, the R5C is another camera release because they could. A test bed unit that functions and works really great for what it actually is. Clearly worked out better than they thought. I can tell you this they are definitely cooking up something that will blend what this camera has already done and use its weaknesses to deliver something truly incredible.
It's only after getting the R5C II that I understand how powerful the R5C is. Canon log 2 and waveforms - what a huge difference to my workflow: easy to capture and get the exposure right, less balancing, less colour grading to bring back colours.
TBH, Canon would be smart to drop the R100 and make two entry level cinema cameras, one asp-c and one full frame. They could make an R10C and the R8C.
Full Frame 15 to 20 Megapixel, raw recording and mounting points like the fx3 would be nice. Internal NDs yes awesome but I could live without them. Uh just imaging a komodo box style😄
Optical NDs :) That would be nice.
RC wish list
Clog 2
Auto focus from r5mk2
Cine menu
Internal ND
Shutter Angle
No EVF (for the love of god)
6k120 8k 60
Full hdmi
Internal Fan
I’ll agree with everything except EVF. But a EVF that can be completely disabled in settings would be my preference.
@ yea but I feel if canon adds it, it’s gonna change the ergonomic dramatically
I like how cine cameras do it, with options for LCD and EVF that are more effective in their placement.
@ yea most creators don’t really use the EVF for video these days and with canon upgrading to oled screen it wounded nice to have. That Fx form factor looks so good.
Those Sony cameras are not as equal as you said. a7Siii, FX-3 and ZV-E1 have the same 12 mp sensor. FX-30 have a 26 mp APS-C sensor and ZV-E10 have a 24 mp sensor (older).
if they want to have a cinema line of small size , it's better to have a FF / S35 / 1.6 crop convertible cinema cam like R5C , with better ventilation, 8K 60fps , 4K 120fps DCI or MAY BE better upgradable accessories , just may be .
how about a photography camera upwards of 100mp without all the 4k and 8k togs never use
Very Dapper 🤵
Thanks. Shot it right after work ;) Does the audio sound better in this video?
@@OrdinaryFilmmakerI haven't noticed any audio issues. I watch on either a Samsung S23+ phone or an older Samsung tablet. 🤷🏻♀️
Any audio issues are amplified when watching on a large TV or entertainment system. I'm seeking pro help to dial things in ;)
R5c was never $5500? I had one on day one. It was $4500. Plus the firmware updates from Canon are awesome. I wish I kept it.
My bad... Its hard recalling info in front of a camera...
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker No biggie. I make mistakes. I just try to add a disclaimer.
Why do we need so many cameras?! Either users don’t fully understand how to maximize their gear, they’re caught up in Gear Acquisition Syndrome (GAS), or manufacturers are either clueless or capitalizing on the GAS frenzy.
We don't, but we are addressing the whole world so there is aways someone looking to buy.
as a Sony user i used many of them and they all have slog3. But i always think about canon colors and there is not many camera has clog2. Thats why i stay with sony. Lets see Canon whats cooking for us.
The R5 II is my first time using CL2 and I now understand why people love this log profile. It's amazing. It's not so much the colours, but how the profile is able to preserve them even in low light with little effort.
@@OrdinaryFilmmakeryes sir clog2 has better highlights and better shadows. But clog2 or clog3 even canon’s rec709 its more pleasing then Sony (in my opion as fx3 owner)
Canon will never catch up to Sony until they quit their cripple hammer behavior. They’ve done a wonderful job with the C400 and C80 but we need them to finish it out. By putting that sensor and capability into an R sized body. Make a true FX3 competitor. I’ll buy at least two of them to go with my C400