How does acupuncture work? | RMIT University
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 พ.ย. 2011
- RMIT University academic Dr Zhen Zheng explains how acupuncture works.
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Relevant links with further information about the research on acupuncture:
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Hello everyone. I have been suffering from anxiety the majority of my life. Lately, it's been extremely bad. Panic / anxiety attacks are becoming common place. I decided I'm ready to try whatever it takes to stop it. Pills aren't always the answer. Yesterday I had my first acupuncture treatment. All I can say is that by the time I was done, my mind was as clear as its been in a very long time. I felt at peace. I felt balanced. I will be continuing my treatments. I think it works.
I broke my back, left shoulder and left ankle 6 months ago in a high speed race crash at Phillip Island. Had constant pain since that day. I finally gave in to pressure and tried Acupuncture. 24 hours later, im in almost no pain. Im totally blown away by the results. Physiotherapy did help, but nowhere near as much as Acupuncture. View crash at ''Fast Highside at Phillip Island.'' If you're hurtin' give it a shot folks.
What a wonderful way to explain acupuncture to those who are not familiar with it. Great job, RMIT University!
What skeptics fail to realize is that there is now converging evidence from fascia experts on the role of connective tissue in chronic pain and in the mechanisms of acupuncture, manual and movement based therapies. Dr. Helene Langevin's research along with other world renown researchers like Dr. Robert Schleip at University of Ulm show that mechanical tissue stimulation during tissue stretch and acupuncture causes dynamic cellular responses in connective tissue.
Cure is a strong word. Acupuncture can re-align your Chi flow and this usually causes symptoms of insomnia to melt away. Is that effect permanent? Probably not, considering something in your lifestyle threw you out of balance in the first place. But there are many different causes even in Chinese medicine to insomnia... some require some lifestyle change in order to "cure" it.
Excellent video. I've never understood the aims of acupuncture and this video is an excellent illustration that explains how acupuncture may effect change. As a microbiologist I also appreciate that this is now performed by qualified personnel that must comply with infection control standards.
Thank you for sharing your EXPERIENCE here, as I doubt any of these haters and skeptics that claim they are scientific thinkers have actually had one.
Fantastic explanation. Simple and dynamic. Nice work guys
This is a great video for our patients(include prospective patients) who don't know acupuncture well.
We should make Japanese version.
Thanks for your comments.
Acupuncture has a strong scientific base. Over 40 years, 3,975 papers have been published in peer-reviewed journals. Many studies have identified biomedical mechanisms that can explain the effect of acupuncture. It is now accepted for non-specific low back pain by the NHS in the UK, & is recommended for pain after operations by the National Health & Medical Research Council in Australia.
Shoot us an email at news@rmit.edu.au if you'd like the academic references.
I like the simplicity of how it is explained, of course there is much more regarding the therapeutic effect, but for mainly managing pain this is good explanation through the eyes of TCM, of course by Western medicine would be different, REGARDING THE RELEASE OF ENDORPHINS, MACROPHAGES, OPIOID PEPTIDES,etc. that mitigate pain, have anti inflammation properties, etc I did my masters thesis regarding this. Thanks for the visual add I will post it in my website too
Had it done for the first time today in china town in chicago.........aaaaaaaand it hurt. It was for lower back pain...quadratus lumborum actually....
We have had some requests for these references. We have listed 2 good sites in the video's description which outline some of the research behind acupuncture.
"Can "chi" be measured or defined? The peer-reviewed literature is abundant with studies showing acupuncture as being no more effective than placebo. Could you point me in the direction of peer reviewed studies that support acupuncture as an effective treatment?
I am very skeptical of a treatment that has no clearly defined causal mechanism, holds a potential risk of infection and nerve damage, and to my knowledge has never been shown to be more effective than placebo treatment."
-Posted 12/2011
Many studies in animals and humans have demonstrated that acupuncture can cause multiple biological responses. These responses can occur locally, i.e., at or close to the site of application, or at a distance, mediated mainly by sensory neurons to many structures within the central nervous system.
@mrjasontutt
According to studies placebos are random occurrnces? Could you please provide a link to those studies. And please watch your manners here on YT, I have been polite on this form despite the PM hassel im getting from rmitmedia. Thank you
This forum doesn't allow web addresses to be published. Try google.com. enter: acupuncture + research. It's pretty simple.
how much did it cost and did you pay right out of your pocket..im 18 and thinking of getting one...i have 80 dollars saved up
Can "chi" be measured or defined? The peer-reviewed literature is abundant with studies that show acupuncture as being no more effective than placebo. Could you point me in the direction of peer reviewed studies that support acupuncture as an effective treatment?
I am just very skeptical of a treatment that has no clearly defined causal mechanism, holds a potential risk of infection and nerve damage, and to my knowledge has never been shown to be more effective than placebo treatment.
@SeanTalksTooMuch Hi Sean, thanks for your comment. Drop us an email at interact@rmit.edu.au and we'll get someone to respond to you.
Actually we dont use gloves in the US or any part of the world to introduce needles since the needeles themselves are sterile. And of course you need to receive anatamic education so as not too puncture dangerous areas, in order to prevent damaging the tissues, it is an art performig acupuncture not just a kids game and their imagination.
The video describes the body as a city full of traffic. And then goes on to explain how to fix the traffic. But is the analogy correct? Any evidence for this mechanism?
Tell that to David Ho, named "1996 Man of the Year" by Time Magazine for his role in developing the "drug cocktail" therapy that has been largely successful in prolonging the life of HIV patients.
The only difference between alternative medicine, and science based medicine, is that science based medicine has been vigorously tested and proven to be effective, without relying on anecdotal evidence.
It's best not to ignore all the valuable contributions from multitudes of real Chinese scientists.
Thanks for the video ..
Sadly I don't believe in TCM !
I don't believe you and think you're making that number up, but maybe I'm wrong. So I would love a quick reference to some of those studies, surely you can post a link to one or two studies on the comment section.
Have you tried it, dude?
@rmitmedia
I see that you have CENSORED my comment, and my new comments are "pending approval". I recommend that you RESTORE my previous comment and allow this one in the name of good character and academic honesty. I've been very patient with you, while at the same time keeping a close eye and documenting your behavior here on YT.
I take the issue of censorship VERY SERIOUSLY, and so should RMIT University. Lets keep YT a place for honest and open discussion backed with real data.
Thank you
Won't let me post the link, but
"More Evidence Acupuncture Can Ease Chronic Pain
Ancient technique outperformed 'sham' acupuncture in large review"
from September 10, 2012.
By Alan Mozes
Asking the tough questions. I have a background in biology and happen to agree with most of what you've said on this video. The biggest problem with alternative therapies is that they direct patients, time, money and attention away from empirically tested medicine. I have eczema and nothing infuriates me more than someone trivializing my condition by asking me "oh, have you tried taking lemon myrtle supplements?" or "you should rub manuka honey all over yourself every night before bed."
try homeopathy--its incredible and can be very quick and complete. Eczema is one of its specialities--look online if you want to look into it. but of course you don't haha
Right... cause higher education systems shouldn't evaluate anything outside of what is already accepted? I'm not sure you really understand what scientific thought means.... the absence of proof is not the proof of absence.
thanks, I even made a detailed 2 part video response to RMIT but they didn't approve them or respond. If this comment gets through their approval process then I suggest you check those videos out on my channel. You'll be shocked how shady these guys at rmit are
Its not enough for homeopathy to be effective, it must be consistently more effective than a similarly administered placebo. A real study would something like this: random selection of 10,000 people with illness X, random assignment to one of two groups, group A gets real homeopathy, group B gets a sugar pill, group C gets no treatment. If the measured improvement is not significantly greater in group A, then homeopathy remains unproven until sufficient evidence shows otherwise. Any questions?
we know what corporations and capital interests want us to know, and that means what they CAN CONTROL and what they can SELL back to us, not amazing things like "energy medicine" and homeopathy which is essentially free.
Part 1
You have got it all wrong my friend. I don’t want to censor anyone, all I ask is that positive claims are supported with demonstrable evidence. If there is evidence showing acupuncture consistently outperforming a similarly administered placebo, then just send me a link. Its easy, watch
Arch Intern Med. 2009;169(9):858-866
by DC Cherkin (2009)
and here’s a video that reviews that and other papers in a ‘user friendly’ way.
/watch?v=pp5eiHUdwb4
But that is my point exactly! Why waste time studying a pseudoscience when Chi meridian points, said to be linked specific organs and ailments, have been proven bogus by showing it doesn't matter where you place the pins.
Acupuncture is not a generic term for pin pricking. The only effective thing in common with 'sham acupuncture' are pins.
'Sham acupuncture' = random pin pricks = 1 hour of study.
..as effective as..
'Acupuncture' = specific points for specific ailments = 3 years study.
scientific explanation please?
a minimum of 6000 years....not 2000.
I think I know what you mean. I'm an asthmatic and even with insurance my meds are close to $600/month until I hit my deductible...usually at the end of the year. So I get angry when people ask "have you tried acupuncture?" If it really worked like this vid claims, than it would be a literal life saver for me. But it doesn't work, and thats too bad :-(
Maybe if we stop wasting money on treatments we know are bogus, then we might be able to afford the medications that have proven to be effective
and thus the outcome is consistent with any real acupuncturist's expectations. But hey... i love to hear pseudo-intellectuals blather on as if they know something, when they don't blaming science for their lack of inquiry and non-attempt to actually understand something before condemning it.
To elaborate, the acupuncture "theory" of Chi meridian points was invalidated back in 2009 with a study entitled "Acupuncture for migraine prophylaxis".
It confirmed that the efficacy associated with acupuncture is no different to the effect experienced with random "sham" acupuncture points used as the control.
Studies may have shown the benefits of needle pricking in some cases, but acupuncture "theory" (or unsubstantiated 'hypothesis') has the same validity as a pair of dice.
Pseudoscience!
Part 2
Science is a METHOD, not an agenda. If acupuncture is real I have no reason to not believe it. However acupuncturists do have a vested interest in making money, and RMIT in particular has a bad track record for creditability, google search "RMIT bent spoon award"
Check out the links and if you do have evidence that supports acupuncture then please send it my way. I can learn too, and I’m open to evidence that you or RMIT would like to discus.
It does require Imagination, just as you require imagination to see how an electron spins, or how the Universe expands every second (scientific facts)
If you want to play the peer-reviewed literature game, than I will mention that there is evidence that there is no such thing as a placebo. According to studies, placebos are simply "random occurrences" which happen during studies. So please, shut your mouth :)
@MicrobeGarden It explains how acupuncture _might_ effect change, if the imaginary chi meridians were real. If only they treated the imaginary meridians with imaginary needles, there might be less risk of infection, nerve damage and punctured lungs.
As for complying with infection control standards, I can't see any gloves on that practitioner's hands, nor any sign that the needling sites have been swabbed with any disinfectant. Maybe they're using imaginary gloves and disinfectant?
haha--oh yes it does--you just proved one reason why, duh!
chi has been measured and defined as much as the limiting factors of modern instruments can achieve that. You know nothing of the subject, or of science.
Forget scientific or not. If only we knew what modern science really knows….If only we knew what modern science would know 10, 20 years from now! Why scoff at ancient leads and clues of life and living?
oh, and homeopathy efficacy sudies are everywhere, you just have to be not closed minded and extremely ignorant and to actually take the few minurtes to find and read them.
It would require an "active imagination" if the channels of the body hadn't already been proven to exist by Western scientific means over five decades ago (and many times since). Perhaps you're ignorant of the science on this (as well as most other healing modalities?) surely not.
Thanks for agreeing with me, I think they actually CENSORED my questions because I don't see it here. If they DID take my comment down, is utterly unacceptable and unprofessional. Maybe I should make a detailed response video and send it to all their viewers and subscribers
Considering that the Electron Microscope is already 82 years old, you must be joking and I just cant detect your sarcasm on the keyboard. Do you just wear that lab coat for fun or do you want others to take you seriously? The age of a methods says nothing about its effectiveness...i guess its demonstrable effectiveness would be a better measure of its effectiveness dont you think? By that measure acupuncture fails, but we can test it again and again if you like. lmk when you get the data
There is no valid evidence of effect from acupuncture I can show you hundreds of my patients recovered from therapies with acupuncture, anda ll you have to do them is asked them your self, how many people have you treated with needles in order to say that there is no evidence? It is not valid? ANYTHING THAT CAN HELP THE HUMAN BODY IS VALID!
haha, your whole raison d'etre is to censor acupuncture and many other things--and you people DO! If you believe in ""good character" and "academic honesty" (oh, Lord, is there REALLY such a thing haha!!!) I suggest you look into the extensive POSITIVE research for acupuncture, the channels and chi--I dare you .
Hahahaha, Acupuncture. Do you guys have a course in "Defence agains the Dark Arts"?
Perfect example of a scientific mind being made up before doing any investigation... oh, wait, that's not science. That's quackery.
Acupuncture DOES NOT WORK!
And how do you know this? Do you mean you had a treatment and it did not help you? That a particular treatment did not help a particular patient can happen in any field of medicine. For example, an antibiotic might not cure a particular patient's pneumonia because the bacteria was resistant to that drug. That does not mean all antibiotics are invalid. Similarly, if an acupuncture prescription (the set of locations stimulated) and dosage (the duration that the needles were retained in the points plus repetition of the treatment on subsequent days) is not effective for a specific person's ailment, that does not mean either that a different acupuncture prescription might work or that the whole method never works for anyone.
Tell that to David Ho, named "1996 Man of the Year" by Time Magazine for his role in developing the "drug cocktail" therapy that has been largely successful in prolonging the life of HIV patients.
The only difference between alternative medicine, and science based medicine, is that science based medicine has been vigorously tested and proven to be effective, without relying on anecdotal evidence.
It's best not to ignore all the valuable contributions from multitudes of real Chinese scientists.