We are living in a time where individuals frequently engage in discussions on subjects for which they are neither academically qualified nor hold formal degrees.
Why is it problematic for individuals to engage in political and societal discussions? It is the very essence of a democracy for citizens to participate in tbe process and make their opinions heard. The main pre econdition is that the discussions remain civil and accept that knowledge is boundless and no opinion is as such untouchable.
@@HamzaPKR Yes, It is. We are believers in hearsay. The majority of people form opinions based on their own prejudices/hearsay not from their study. How many people know the types of democracies? 1. Direct Democracy 2. Representative Democracy 3. Constitutional Democracy 4. Parliamentary Democracy 5. Presidential Democracy 6. Hybrid or Semi-Presidential Democracy 7. Liberal Democracy 8. Illiberal Democracy ( According to Fareed Zakaria , Pakistan has Illiberal Democracy). The KEYBOARD reflects a mindset of illiteracy, while the PEN represents a mindset of literacy.
Imagine being a Sikh (whose gurus & even their kids were mercilessly k!lled by Isl@mic rulers for refusing to convert) or a Hindu hearing this expert say "Muslims rulers ne India me aise impose nahi kia". I wonder who imposed jizya tax on non-Muslims during Mughal era which was a legal part of Sharia? The only reason non-Islamic cultures survived the attr0cities of Isl@mic c0lonization was because India was never completely under its rule. There were always kingdoms that existed and retained their non-Isl@mic cultures.
@@chtayab7891 why don’t you go and read actual history written under your own Mughal kings about how proud they were in ki11ing non-Muslims instead of name calling here? BTW, do a DNA test and you will know you are actually a “Pajeet” as well😂 Converting to a different religion doesn’t change your DNA 🤡 🤡
The only reason non Muslims survived because the Muslim Rulers throughout the history never imposed forced conversion. Options were always given to them. Otherwise after almost 600 to 800 years rule, how come Hindus remained a majority in the subcontinent?
India always had a identity historically and that is not 77years old but 5000 years old which is referenced in our epic mythology Ramayan, Mahabharat. And it is referred as Bharata kand or Bharata varsh. Typically bharat springs from kashmir to Kanyakumari, eaat Afghanistan to west burma
Having an identity and having ruled by one unified ruler are two different things. When Muslims arrived in the subcontinent, was it being ruled by a single ruler?
@@namerak9564 How does that make any sense? Even countries like Germany had multiple kingdoms but they still shared the same culture which later unified them as one country🤷🏻♂️
@@namerak9564 "Islamic conquest is not about subjugating, digesting and destroying others like European conquests.". Typical Muslim rant 🤣 **************************************** Irrespective of right or wrong, only Judaism can come out with an original Abrahmic solution. Christianity and Islam are mere copy cats, who can't think out of box solutions to their problems. That's why in Europe, Christianity has to become weaker in order to grow scientifically. And in the Islamic world, Science has to remain weaker for Islam to sustain. ***************************************** The same is true for Dharmic frameworks. Since Buddhism Jainism and Sikhism are just derivations of Sanatan Dharma in varying degrees, they could neither survive the wrath of Abrahmic philosophies like in Afghanistan (once a Buddhst country) nor could surive the inducement of becoming rich or atleast equal in Capitalist-Socialist-Communist frameworks like in China and Japan. They had to let go their concept of God, Family, Success and Soul in order to grow economically. The original Dharma is Sanatan. And therefore you will see Hindus never had this problem of having to choose between Dharma and Science. ****************************************** My guru predicted this long ago: For the establishsment of Dharma, you will see a war of words and swords between the Jews (original Abrahmics) and Hindus (origial Dharmics) in the end times of this KaliYuga.
poojeet u guys even did not know there was indus valley civilization it was john Hubert Marshall, the Director-General of the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) from 1902 to 1928, led the excavations that discovered the Indus Valley Civilization so do not make fool out of u r self
Jinnah wanted islam to pervail in pakistan he even created a ministry of ISLAMIC RECONSTRUCTION and appointed Mr M.Asad the director but after death of Jinnah in september 1948 the ministry was dissolved.
Jinnah, a non-practicing Muslim was not "Akle-Kul". His most profound mistake was starting Kashmir Imbroglio by needlessly attacking a State with which Pakistan had Standstill agreement in place. Even his personal life was such a wreck; irreparable lungs (caused by tobacco), a disenchanted wife and disinherited child.
@@Raju-gi3gr I wanna debate, discuss and dialogue with you on the topic *"Present Day 'Gujarat' State of India 🇮🇳 and its Historical Ties with the Indo-Sub-Continent 🇦🇫 🇵🇰 🇮🇳"*
There's so much hate in the comments section but I loved the podcast❤ keep up the good work! Though constructive criticism should be taken serious but these hate comments coming from ignorance should be totally ignored. You guys had a great interaction loved it❤
Jinnah said hindus r bad and hindu amd muslims cant stay together. He also wanted 80 to 90% hindu majority tegion in pakistan? Was jinnah fool or he considered pakistanis retrded to buy any illogical theory? Nonsense
Great initiative Muzamil! You will always be remembered for your contributions.. Brother Shershah was very comfortable on Muslim Conquest and questioning British colonialism. I want him to compare 700 years of Muslim vs 100 years of East India Company. Just one example, in 700 years Mughals made Taj Mehal and East India made institutes that helped India to reach moon. I know it is a long debate so thank you for initiating such intellectual discussion
Islam invaded Hindustan and converted some indigenous population to Islam. That doesn't mean converted Muslims have different identities. They have their own Hindustani roots and identity but the problem is the superiority complex of Islam which still prevails in their minds resists them from accepting reality.
The basic problem is the Pakistani identity is defined by undefining the Indian identity. By doing this, you are un-doing all your ancestry and roots. The real shame is you are not owning your own history such as vedic civilization, the hindu ancestry, these are the things you must be proud of. Infact the word India should belong to Pakistan, you must own it. Only a few wise Pakistanis who put Nation and society first over religion are realising this.
asal mai indians civilisation itni ghatya or murdar hai so hm pakistani blkul pasand nahi krte k ghatya or buzdil or infidels indians k saath hmara taluq jora jaye hm pakistani hain or indus civilisation hmari tehzeeb hai mgr sarhad k os paar se koi taluq nahi rakhna or south indians to boht hi bure lgte hain
They are not confused actually, sometimes they think they are Afghan, sometimes they're trying to look like Arab, and sometimes they try to look CLOSER to Turkyie, just they don't want to accept their reality that the people of subcontinent have a specific color and size, which is very different from Afghan, Arab and Turkish !
Lets Simpilfy: 1. First identity: Human Being(50%) 2. Second Identity: Geographical( Say {Pakistan), where you pay taxes.. around 10%, cuz you can migrate and that could change. 3.Cultural: Food, history, Music, arts, drama, architecture, poetry etc. Big part, say around 35 %. 4. Religious: This is not a constant, cuz as we know from history, people can change their faith, as Muslims in the subcontinent did. Muslims got it all upside down, that is why they are having problems all around the world. Culture and tradition which is based on Geography for the most part should be openly celebrated... Religion or personal faith should be kept private.
Sir this was very informative podcast. It really change my point of view regarding nation state. The difference between conquest and colonialism. How nation state emerged and how they reached to the Muslims . I have one request for you that please please please invite Imran Yousafzai and Jameel Behram/ Baloch in your podcast. Imran Yousafzai is well known personality but Jameel Behram/ Baloch is not very well known. He was invited by Nahda podcast and this was his entery because it was his first time. So this is my request please invite them.
I suggest inviting Mufti Azad sahib from Idara Rahimia to gain insights into the dynamics of politics, its impact, and how to navigate this complex landscape.
Why only look at the Islamic identity. Your history like India's can be traced back to Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro. Egyptians and Persians are comfortable with their pre-Islamic identities. There is more to life than looking at the world through an Islamic lens. There is linguistic and other cultural factors. Yet the debate in Pakistan is obsessed with the Islamic identity.
Islam more or less bases success in this world on the power of sword, physical courage of Ummah and absolute submission to guidelines in divine texts for achieving reward in afterlife. Now both of these stipulations have inherent weaknesses and face increasing competition from modernist ideas of Innovativeness and progress of STEM sciences coupled with Democracy and secularism behind success in this world, whereas (personalised) spiritualism and altruism is proposed to take care of afterlife (if at all it exists). The unwillingness of Islam to reform the Otherism (against nonbelievers), of women and violence against minorities (Gays, Apostates, Blasphemers and minority Muslim sects) and mixing Religion with polity are main problematic areas for Islam today. Pakistan on the top has another additional issue of identity crisis.
Sorry to say but does your mouth hurt when u say Quaid e azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah. Until and unless you call your father by his name till then please respect the Father of Nation. Pakistan zindabad. ❤🇵🇰❤
Islam is too advanced for an average Muslim. Still a long way to go. If they would just stick to the basics, that should suffice. We are South Asians first and then happen to be Muslims.
Bottom line is that Pakistan has to grow up!!! And get with modern times! Religion is a personal and individual thing ! Pakistan should be a secular country..separation of religion and state is a MUST!!!!! For any country to progress
Muslim literally mean " One who submit his will to God" Past present ( Modren) future. If you not willing to accept Gods commandments then you're not a Muslim
Why so many pajeet indian bots negatively comment under all pakistani podcasts i wonder.. i recently found out about it leading to youtube shadow banning or less recommending content to other people due to these kinds of comments 😢
These podcast bulk audience is from India, and these podcasters deliberately drag reference to India for the sake of same. You can't run a channel with few Pakistani population alone.
@chtayab7891 "Islamic conquest is not about subjugating, digesting and destroying others like European conquests.". Typical Muslim rant 🤣 **************************************** Irrespective of right or wrong, only Judaism can come out with an original Abrahmic solution. Christianity and Islam are mere copy cats, who can't think out of box solutions to their problems. That's why in Europe, Christianity has to become weaker in order to grow scientifically. And in the Islamic world, Science has to remain weaker for Islam to sustain. ***************************************** The same is true for Dharmic frameworks. Since Buddhism Jainism and Sikhism are just derivations of Sanatan Dharma in varying degrees, they could neither survive the wrath of Abrahmic philosophies like in Afghanistan (once a Buddhst country) nor could surive the inducement of becoming rich or atleast equal in Capitalist-Socialist-Communist frameworks like in China and Japan. They had to let go their concept of God, Family, Success and Soul in order to grow economically. The original Dharma is Sanatan. And therefore you will see Hindus never had this problem of having to choose between Dharma and Science. ****************************************** My guru predicted this long ago: For the establishsment of Dharma, you will see a war of words and sw*rds between the Jews (original Abrahmics) and Hindus (origial Dharmics) in the end times of this KaliYuga.
Geopolitics guests to invite Prof Jeffrey sachs ( Economist ) Douglas macgregor ( US ex army General my country my choice) prof seyed marandi ( from Tehran University iran) Larry C. Johnson ( ex US Army ) Scott ritter (ex UN inspector ) John mearschimer (ex CIA ) Islamic guests to invite Muhammad Hijab Hamza Andreas Tzortzis adnan rashid ( islamic historian ) and others from (Sapience institute UK and US) Subbor ahmed ( amazing work on evolution and islam) : sheikh osman farooq (one message foundation US) Muhammad Ali (muslim lantern) imran hussein epistemix Furqan Qureshi Blogs Qaisar Ahmed Raja (Revivalist Moment) Sahil Adeem (source code academia and islamic messaging system)
Just a correction Mr Douglous Mcgregor is Lt col retd. Anyways not to discredit him he has dual PHDs in military history etc and knows many insights due to his service in mil including wars specially bosnian missions amidst tht "war"
Nope, because you follow and support Brahmavad, Those are staying to eat beef. Start having beef and you do not need them. They were forced by Brahmins to stay in India.
@@vinsin328😂fool Hindusnism is open religion not based on any book nor any rule we have many Geetha for example Krishna Geetha astavkar geetha or shiv Geetha etc but not a single muslim can't able to write new Quran
@@moonbhoi3584like Pakistan send,, Afgani to Afghanistan similarly India also need to send 24 crore,, muslims to Pakistan than India can sell 24 crore peoples food to World and earn billions ✌️
Unionist party of punjab was closer to congrsss than muslim league. Like Sir Sikandar Hayat Khan was closer to nehru and wanted to stay with india but had to conform with the British decision. If youre claiming jinnah never wanted to break Punjab then what he wanted all of punjab in pakistan? That wasnt likeky as their elected leader Sir Sikandar Hayat Khan was pro congress. Most likely a united punjab would have gone to india.
A state came into existence on the basis of religion, is prune to it's mere existence, because the base notion of religion supersedes the rights of public which is the element of state not an ideology.
What are you basing this assumption on? I see problems of ethnic issues, disempowerment of women (half of Afghanistan) lack of democratic institutions, Sharia led penal system etc. that make it internally weak and externally at odds with rest of world.
Even Prophet of Islam was wrong about many things; just as all prophets were. For instance while saying that Earth is flat and still (Surah 15:19 and 71:19,), Sun goes around Earth (Surah 7:54, 14:33, 21:33, 31:29, 35:13, Q36:40, Q39:5) and sets in a muddy puddle (Surah18:86), that Moon was split in two (Quran 54:1) Mountains are nailed into Earth to stabilize it (Surah 21:31) and Meteors are missiles thrown by God to deter Shaitaan (Surah 67:5), Earthquakes are caused by human sins (Surah 99:1 to 8) and that while Ajwa dates are anti-dotes to poison (Sahih Bukhari 5768), Nigella seeds can cure anything but Death (Sunan Ibn Majah 3447) while camel urine can cure diseases (Sahih Bukhari Vol.1, Book4, Number 234) and water cannot be polluted (Ibn Majah 518, and Sunan-Al Nasai 328)
The real difference between Pakistan and Afghanistan is that unlike Pakistan, Afghan Govt is sincere towards its people and country. Afghanistan has bare-bones Govt and military structure but super effiecient as well. They don't have millions of active duty security forces, their terrain is harsh, their area is probably bigger and sparesly populated but still they maintain peace, law and order far better than us. You can also observe the same peace of mind, law and order in GCC while driving through barren deserts. In GCC, Some small cities would have 1 police station and you would rarely see any Police presence in those cities but still safer than Islamabad's red zone. They generate resources for the Govt, development and their people whereas Pakistani Govt $ucks blood from its citizens. This idea would seem to be counterintuitive to many of you but i bet that remove this Pakistani Govt system, dismantle the establishment and let the people live free. The decentralized bunch if tribes would be more prosperous and developed that what this current Govt structure wouldn't even have dreamt to be in the next 6 decades. Edit: I am not against the federation of Pakistan but introduced this idea to show that how much inefficient, corrupt, exploitative and unsustainable this system is. Decentralization, minimizing the Govt's structure and making it efficient is the way to go.
This idea would seem to be counterintuitive to many of you but i bet that remove this Pakistani Govt system, dismantle the establishment and let the people live free. The decentralized bunch if tribes would be more prosperous and developed that what this current Govt structure wouldn't even have dreamt to be in the next 6 decades.
@@vishalbajaj4231 I am not against the federation of Pakistan but introduced this idea to show that how much inefficient, corrupt and exploitative this system is. Decentralization, minimizing the Govt's structure and making it efficient is the way to go. If you wanna have independent Pakistani provinces then first give independence to your own territories. Then we would be talking on equal terms
@@vishalbajaj4231 and we are discussing Pakistan's hardcore internal matters here. There's nothing for you to get excited. And geopolitics, global diplomacy is entirely another topic .
@@asimjabbar8445 Haha. Only fools think that geopolitics and internal matters are different. Also in India our States have a lot of autonomy. Some States like Maharashtra and Tamil Nadu have GDP higher than Pak as well. So thank you for your suggestion and you will be happy to know our States are independent and prospering.
Can you tell me what to call these people? 1. Muslims who had invaded Indian subcontinent since 712 AD and settled in India or Pakistan. 2. People of subcontinent who embraced Islam. 3. People of subcontinent who are living in Pakistan. 4. People of subcontinent who are muslims and living in Pakistan.
It seems like you are aimed to defame Pakistan by making anti-Pakistan videos. Do something constructive bro, you will get nothing out of this bullsh!t.
Why dont you consider that governament and state is part of islam and thats why muslims who believe in islam try to speak for how to pracfice islam in that sense ?
So you think it will be okay to declare you a Kafir and then kill you and make your mother, sister as slaves. What if the state declares your sister as Kafir and ask you to treat her as slave.
asal mai hmain boht hi bura lgta hai jb hm ye sochte hain k hmare ancesstors iffidels they wo to thank God unho ne apne app ko convert kr lya ya chahe jaise ye indian ilxaam lgate hain k talwar k zoor pe convert kya to allah us badshah ko jannat mai jga dai jis ne talwar k zoor pe hi mere ancesstors ko convert kraya meri samajh nahi ata baqi ko kyo chora jaise arab mai iran mai or central asia or turk ko muslim bnaya tha k musalman ho wrna mulk chor jao wrna qatl krdainge yahan k logo k sath zyadti kr di unhe hindu chor dya ye bechare aj bhi hathi bnder ki puja kye ja rahe hain
You should've broken down this topic into two videos: one could be Dil ki Baat and one could be another one in which you let Shershah speak. This one was too loaded with Muzammil's own opinions which are interesting, but you didn't even let the guest finish his sentences before doing 10 minute long monologues.
You guys discussed some very esoteric ideas, and I will admit, totally surprised me. I was under the impression that Pakistan is devoid of people who can think at all (rationally or otherwise). So its great to to see Shershah and yourself as people who actually read and think. Kudos, and here's hoping that your quest to find thought leaders actually meets success. That said, the basic problem with a declared muslim state is the self-referenced finality in the Quran. Which blocks off all pursuit of knowledge and free thought in any society wedded to the book as a literal manual for societial structure. It would be one thing if it was something people used in private life and there wasn't a state-sponsored coercion to follow things literally to the letter. In other words, you can't build a 3rd Republic of any sort in the 22nd Century with a manual from the 7th Century. Everyone is walking on eggshells around this central issue. I feel sorry for you guys in a sense. It's a catch-22 situation. If you follow it to the letter, you can't progress at all. If you don't, then people challenge the essence/raison d'etre of your nation-state. There's really no winning here.
Aba kya identity islam hi musalmano identity hai haa culture language ethnicity hai wo islam bhi allow karta hai lekin islam hi original identity hai logic simple
Identity geographical hoti hai na ki personal belief Mere jaanne wala christian ban gaya ab kya wo khud ko America Britain se khud ko jodne lage Akhirkar originaly to wo hindu hi hai
There is no identity crisis except in the upper echelon of the society tbh. They have a gora complex rest Pakistan sindh, balochi, pashtun and Punjabi are all different and accept their differences. Some people say we have an Arab complex but no we don't. Now Arabs are changing are we copying them? Yes we do follow the religion as it's mentioned but even our dresses are not Arab. Shalwar kameez etc. Language but if you look at the gora complex their language dressing styling each thing changes with time like how things change in the west. That's very few people who we need to call out
As the Quaid’s said, first and foremost a Pakistani, and a Muslim >. Not the other way around! If born to Pakistani parents one is a Pakistani > 😕could be Muslim, Christian, Sikh, Hindu > Pakistaniat is key, comes first!
Yes in mumbai there are fewer Hindu-muslim riots but in UP there are a lot more..in Mumbai hindu-muslims are very involved in each others life due to economic pursuits whereas in UP' there are separate Hindu Muslim towns.......
How can there be modern Pakistani 😅😅😅😅aap Sunni subko hate kurte ho😅😅 hindu, Jews, Christian, shia, UDA kadiyani, agha khani, minorities, hazara, Afghan subko hate kurte ho 🎉🎉😢😢😂 😅😅😅😅😅
How have other muslims been in peace with their national identity ? Don't you know about the taliban movement, the Arab spring? The intifada ? The movements in Malaysia, in Africa?
Brother, mother promise.before 1 hour ago I was continuing your podcast in the middle of the podcast slept.in that sleep you came in my dream and I met you in Dubai airport but you are not talking to me in the aeroplane.suddenly I woke up and realised it was all dream.and now iam continuing your podcast 😂😂😂😂❤❤
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We are living in a time where individuals frequently engage in discussions on subjects for which they are neither academically qualified nor hold formal degrees.
Why is it problematic for individuals to engage in political and societal discussions? It is the very essence of a democracy for citizens to participate in tbe process and make their opinions heard.
The main pre econdition is that the discussions remain civil and accept that knowledge is boundless and no opinion is as such untouchable.
@@HamzaPKR Yes, It is. We are believers in hearsay.
The majority of people form opinions based on their own prejudices/hearsay not from their study.
How many people know the types of democracies?
1. Direct Democracy
2. Representative Democracy
3. Constitutional Democracy
4. Parliamentary Democracy
5. Presidential Democracy
6. Hybrid or Semi-Presidential Democracy
7. Liberal Democracy
8. Illiberal Democracy ( According to Fareed Zakaria , Pakistan has Illiberal Democracy).
The KEYBOARD reflects a mindset of illiteracy, while the PEN represents a mindset of literacy.
Is there any discussion here about how to define a modern Hindu Pakistani, Christian Pakistani, Sikh Pakistani, or any non-Muslim Pakistani?
Imagine being a Sikh (whose gurus & even their kids were mercilessly k!lled by Isl@mic rulers for refusing to convert) or a Hindu hearing this expert say "Muslims rulers ne India me aise impose nahi kia".
I wonder who imposed jizya tax on non-Muslims during Mughal era which was a legal part of Sharia?
The only reason non-Islamic cultures survived the attr0cities of Isl@mic c0lonization was because India was never completely under its rule. There were always kingdoms that existed and retained their non-Isl@mic cultures.
Pajeet Graduated from whatsapp university 😂😂
@@chtayab7891 why don’t you go and read actual history written under your own Mughal kings about how proud they were in ki11ing non-Muslims instead of name calling here?
BTW, do a DNA test and you will know you are actually a “Pajeet” as well😂 Converting to a different religion doesn’t change your DNA 🤡 🤡
The only reason non Muslims survived because the Muslim Rulers throughout the history never imposed forced conversion. Options were always given to them. Otherwise after almost 600 to 800 years rule, how come Hindus remained a majority in the subcontinent?
@@chtayab7891Terrorist knowledge of quran 😂🐷
@@chtayab7891 mujeet graduated from madrasa🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thank you Shershah for inviting Muzamil to your podcast and let him speak his mind. You did a good job of not interrupting him.
Lol
The guy literally said nothing 😭
😂😂😂😂😂
90 minutes of discussion to just beat around the bush!
At least there is a discussion.
India always had a identity historically and that is not 77years old but 5000 years old which is referenced in our epic mythology Ramayan, Mahabharat. And it is referred as Bharata kand or Bharata varsh. Typically bharat springs from kashmir to Kanyakumari, eaat Afghanistan to west burma
Having an identity and having ruled by one unified ruler are two different things. When Muslims arrived in the subcontinent, was it being ruled by a single ruler?
@@namerak9564 How does that make any sense? Even countries like Germany had multiple kingdoms but they still shared the same culture which later unified them as one country🤷🏻♂️
@@namerak9564imagine a follower of a 1400 year old religion claiming 10,000 years old Hindu civilisation.
@@namerak9564 "Islamic conquest is not about subjugating, digesting and destroying others like European conquests.". Typical Muslim rant 🤣
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Irrespective of right or wrong, only Judaism can come out with an original Abrahmic solution.
Christianity and Islam are mere copy cats, who can't think out of box solutions to their problems.
That's why in Europe, Christianity has to become weaker in order to grow scientifically.
And in the Islamic world, Science has to remain weaker for Islam to sustain.
*****************************************
The same is true for Dharmic frameworks.
Since Buddhism Jainism and Sikhism are just derivations of Sanatan Dharma in varying degrees, they could neither survive the wrath of Abrahmic philosophies like in Afghanistan (once a Buddhst country) nor could surive the inducement of becoming rich or atleast equal in Capitalist-Socialist-Communist frameworks like in China and Japan. They had to let go their concept of God, Family, Success and Soul in order to grow economically.
The original Dharma is Sanatan. And therefore you will see Hindus never had this problem of having to choose between Dharma and Science.
******************************************
My guru predicted this long ago: For the establishsment of Dharma, you will see a war of words and swords between the Jews (original Abrahmics) and Hindus (origial Dharmics) in the end times of this KaliYuga.
poojeet u guys even did not know there was indus valley civilization it was john Hubert Marshall, the Director-General of the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) from 1902 to 1928, led the excavations that discovered the Indus Valley Civilization
so do not make fool out of u r self
Jinnah wanted islam to pervail in pakistan he even created a ministry of ISLAMIC RECONSTRUCTION and appointed Mr M.Asad the director but after death of Jinnah in september 1948 the ministry was dissolved.
Jinnah, a non-practicing Muslim was not "Akle-Kul". His most profound mistake was starting Kashmir Imbroglio by needlessly attacking a State with which Pakistan had Standstill agreement in place.
Even his personal life was such a wreck; irreparable lungs (caused by tobacco), a disenchanted wife and disinherited child.
He Was practising muslim
Jinnah a gujarati created a country outside of Gujarat. wow proud of my people.
He did not want Gujarat he knew Gujarat is home for rss
@@pakistanimuslim4431hehehe.. RSS birth place is Maharashtra and not gujrat most of the chiefs of RSS are Marathis. So get some basic facts right.
@@pakistanimuslim4431 also didn't like pakistan, thats why kept home in mumbai
@@pakistanimuslim4431 Maharashtra is the home of RSS and do you know where your Jinnah's daughter lived? In the home of RSS🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Raju-gi3gr
I wanna debate, discuss and dialogue with you on the topic
*"Present Day 'Gujarat' State of India 🇮🇳 and its Historical Ties with the Indo-Sub-Continent 🇦🇫 🇵🇰 🇮🇳"*
There's so much hate in the comments section but I loved the podcast❤ keep up the good work!
Though constructive criticism should be taken serious but these hate comments coming from ignorance should be totally ignored.
You guys had a great interaction loved it❤
Loved it.. modernity but not the application of western modernity #lets_explore_islamic_modernity 🔥
😂Modernity is haram in Islam 😅
@Adam-xh3pq no ignorance is haram in islam
These podcasts are great, Muzammil! These issues need to be discussed with scholars.
Please don't stop these ever!!!
Jinnah said hindus r bad and hindu amd muslims cant stay together. He also wanted 80 to 90% hindu majority tegion in pakistan? Was jinnah fool or he considered pakistanis retrded to buy any illogical theory? Nonsense
Then why beef is banned for Hindus in some states of India.
He had a big ego clash going with Gandhi who came from South Africa and trashed his political career as most dominant Congress leader.
Great initiative Muzamil! You will always be remembered for your contributions.. Brother Shershah was very comfortable on Muslim Conquest and questioning British colonialism. I want him to compare 700 years of Muslim vs 100 years of East India Company. Just one example, in 700 years Mughals made Taj Mehal and East India made institutes that helped India to reach moon. I know it is a long debate so thank you for initiating such intellectual discussion
Pakistan has a borrowed religion from arabia and culture and land from Hindus/bharat. Pakistan did not exist before 1947.
Mate ever used something called brain..."borrowed"...u think u can treat us like u treat dulits @nd indian muslims.
🤣 no wonder u guys kept hindu as name of u r religion
@@arjunr5578 "borrowed" ever used something called brain...
@@mohammedanees1610 Pakistan identity crisis
Week wise
Monday: Arab
Tuesday: Turk
Wednesday:Punjabi
Thursday: Mauryans
Friday: Jatt
Saturday:Rajputs
Sunday: Pashtun
@@mnz8683 islam rejects evolution. How can a Muslim think ?
Such a Greta conversation,its really enjoyable when hostel and guest both did a conversation instead of just questioning
Islam invaded Hindustan and converted some indigenous population to Islam. That doesn't mean converted Muslims have different identities. They have their own Hindustani roots and identity but the problem is the superiority complex of Islam which still prevails in their minds resists them from accepting reality.
I must commend Muzamil of being among the very few who dont make it left vs right. Rather its how a common person looks and thinks about these issues
The basic problem is the Pakistani identity is defined by undefining the Indian identity. By doing this, you are un-doing all your ancestry and roots.
The real shame is you are not owning your own history such as vedic civilization, the hindu ancestry, these are the things you must be proud of. Infact the word India should belong to Pakistan, you must own it. Only a few wise Pakistanis who put Nation and society first over religion are realising this.
asal mai indians civilisation itni ghatya or murdar hai so hm pakistani blkul pasand nahi krte k ghatya or buzdil or infidels indians k saath hmara taluq jora jaye hm pakistani hain or indus civilisation hmari tehzeeb hai mgr sarhad k os paar se koi taluq nahi rakhna or south indians to boht hi bure lgte hain
@@mehmoodahmed893 Jahil, Prophet k zamaanay mey bhee “ murdaar” log they!
We have made this imaginary issue and now wasting our energy to discuss this. These kind of topics should be least of our priority
How to define Modern Muslim pakistani?? Is the laughable and regressive term. Why can't u people think beyond religion
And where is a religion is that.
Man, you must let your guest speak. Let him finish his whole conversation and argument.
They are not confused actually, sometimes they think they are Afghan, sometimes they're trying to look like Arab, and sometimes they try to look CLOSER to Turkyie, just they don't want to accept their reality that the people of subcontinent have a specific color and size, which is very different from Afghan, Arab and Turkish !
When pak ppl tried Look like arab or turks or afghanss 😂?? When
You are wrong I am Pakistani pashtun and I am also ethnically Afghan.
There is no confusion among the true believers, Pakistan was meant to be a fortress of Islam for the protection of Muslims of the former British Raj.
Meanwhile, Muslims in India happen to be more prosperous than Pakistanis. Brilliant!
Lol 😂
True believers in a 'prophet' that had a flying donkey, correct?
Ik u only speak to ridicule others but we know Pakistan lives rent free in ur head. @priortokaraew7569
Exactly why more than 100k have died trying to save the fortress than the fortress saving its inhabitants!
Quite ironical, aint it?
You didn't let the guest speak. This was a frustrating watch.
that's a average libturd mentality
Lets Simpilfy:
1. First identity: Human Being(50%)
2. Second Identity: Geographical( Say {Pakistan), where you pay taxes.. around 10%, cuz you can migrate and that could change.
3.Cultural: Food, history, Music, arts, drama, architecture, poetry etc. Big part, say around 35 %.
4. Religious: This is not a constant, cuz as we know from history, people can change their faith, as Muslims in the subcontinent did. Muslims got it all upside down, that is why they are having problems all around the world. Culture and tradition which is based on Geography for the most part should be openly celebrated... Religion or personal faith should be kept private.
Sir this was very informative podcast. It really change my point of view regarding nation state. The difference between conquest and colonialism. How nation state emerged and how they reached to the Muslims .
I have one request for you that please please please invite Imran Yousafzai and Jameel Behram/ Baloch in your podcast. Imran Yousafzai is well known personality but Jameel Behram/ Baloch is not very well known. He was invited by Nahda podcast and this was his entery because it was his first time. So this is my request please invite them.
I second for imran yousafzai!
Very simple Sirs.
We are not hindus.
(only hindu converts ?)
Except you, no any Pakistani is confused about his/her identity.
I suggest inviting Mufti Azad sahib from Idara Rahimia to gain insights into the dynamics of politics, its impact, and how to navigate this complex landscape.
Brilliant podcast, really enjoyed listening to Shershah bhai
Why only look at the Islamic identity. Your history like India's can be traced back to Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro. Egyptians and Persians are comfortable with their pre-Islamic identities. There is more to life than looking at the world through an Islamic lens. There is linguistic and other cultural factors. Yet the debate in Pakistan is obsessed with the Islamic identity.
Informative! Thank you for this
2 million Afghani Muslim deported from Pakistan but Islamic republic of Pakistan is lecturing us on CAA NRC 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
About the afghan 15 year prediction I suggest you make your own clip
❌ Kashmir bane ga Pakistan
✅ Pakistan bane ga Kashmir
Lol
Nice joke 😂😂😂
✅ Kashmir bane ga Pakistan
❌ Pakistan bane ga Kashmir
❌ Kashmir bane ga India
✅ India bane ga Kashmir
Kashmir bane ga Pakistan
Apne to guest ko BAAT hi nahi Karni di.
Guest ache bulatebhain lekin Time bhi diya karein unko.
Islam more or less bases success in this world on the power of sword, physical courage of Ummah and absolute submission to guidelines in divine texts for achieving reward in afterlife. Now both of these stipulations have inherent weaknesses and face increasing competition from modernist ideas of Innovativeness and progress of STEM sciences coupled with Democracy and secularism behind success in this world, whereas (personalised) spiritualism and altruism is proposed to take care of afterlife (if at all it exists). The unwillingness of Islam to reform the Otherism (against nonbelievers), of women and violence against minorities (Gays, Apostates, Blasphemers and minority Muslim sects) and mixing Religion with polity are main problematic areas for Islam today. Pakistan on the top has another additional issue of identity crisis.
Sorry to say but does your mouth hurt when u say Quaid e azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah.
Until and unless you call your father by his name till then please respect the Father of Nation.
Pakistan zindabad. ❤🇵🇰❤
Question is how do you define an identity? It’s very subjective.
Islam is too advanced for an average Muslim. Still a long way to go. If they would just stick to the basics, that should suffice.
We are South Asians first and then happen to be Muslims.
As an pakistani i am happy for afganis if its true 😊 and feeling bad for pakistan also 😢 i pray for pakistan stability ❤
Good discussion.
Bottom line is that Pakistan has to grow up!!! And get with modern times! Religion is a personal and individual thing ! Pakistan should be a secular country..separation of religion and state is a MUST!!!!! For any country to progress
Amazing Podcast
You dont understand the islamic state concept, you loaded too much bs while putting your queation forward to him
✅ Kashmir bane ga Pakistan
Aur Pakistan banega Sindhustan + Pakhtunistan + Punjabistan
Muslim literally mean " One who submit his will to God"
Past present ( Modren) future.
If you not willing to accept Gods commandments then you're not a Muslim
Amazing
Why so many pajeet indian bots negatively comment under all pakistani podcasts i wonder.. i recently found out about it leading to youtube shadow banning or less recommending content to other people due to these kinds of comments 😢
These podcast bulk audience is from India, and these podcasters deliberately drag reference to India for the sake of same. You can't run a channel with few Pakistani population alone.
Because Mujeet Pakistanis history does not exist apart from a borrowed religion from arabia cave dweller
@chtayab7891 "Islamic conquest is not about subjugating, digesting and destroying others like European conquests.". Typical Muslim rant 🤣
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Irrespective of right or wrong, only Judaism can come out with an original Abrahmic solution.
Christianity and Islam are mere copy cats, who can't think out of box solutions to their problems.
That's why in Europe, Christianity has to become weaker in order to grow scientifically.
And in the Islamic world, Science has to remain weaker for Islam to sustain.
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The same is true for Dharmic frameworks.
Since Buddhism Jainism and Sikhism are just derivations of Sanatan Dharma in varying degrees, they could neither survive the wrath of Abrahmic philosophies like in Afghanistan (once a Buddhst country) nor could surive the inducement of becoming rich or atleast equal in Capitalist-Socialist-Communist frameworks like in China and Japan. They had to let go their concept of God, Family, Success and Soul in order to grow economically.
The original Dharma is Sanatan. And therefore you will see Hindus never had this problem of having to choose between Dharma and Science.
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My guru predicted this long ago: For the establishsment of Dharma, you will see a war of words and sw*rds between the Jews (original Abrahmics) and Hindus (origial Dharmics) in the end times of this KaliYuga.
These Shoodras wanted to have there cyber railway line where they can collectively perform there national duty.
Geopolitics guests to invite
Prof Jeffrey sachs ( Economist )
Douglas macgregor ( US ex army General my country my choice)
prof seyed marandi ( from Tehran University iran)
Larry C. Johnson ( ex US Army )
Scott ritter (ex UN inspector )
John mearschimer (ex CIA )
Islamic guests to invite
Muhammad Hijab
Hamza Andreas Tzortzis
adnan rashid ( islamic historian )
and others from (Sapience institute UK and US)
Subbor ahmed ( amazing work on evolution and islam) :
sheikh osman farooq (one message foundation US)
Muhammad Ali (muslim lantern)
imran hussein epistemix
Furqan Qureshi Blogs
Qaisar Ahmed Raja (Revivalist Moment)
Sahil Adeem (source code academia and islamic messaging system)
Adam Seeker on corun
Just a correction Mr Douglous Mcgregor is Lt col retd. Anyways not to discredit him he has dual PHDs in military history etc and knows many insights due to his service in mil including wars specially bosnian missions amidst tht "war"
Douglas Murray
Prof Richard Dawkins
Sam Harris
@-Neutron-Star we are not interested in what atheistis have to say.. i am fairly confident. If you debate me on atheistism vs islam I'll beat you ass
45:32 Professor Wael Hallaq❤
Kashmir bane ga Pakistan
*EX MUSLIM MOVEMENT ZINDABAAD* 😍😍😍🥰🥰
hahhaha jao fail hogaya
lhindu toilet movement
@@pakistanimuslim4431Mohamed farted a lot ayesha said
Only Islam can unite Us and people make Pakistan by the name of islam its reality
Indian is poor because of 24 crore illigaly Pakistani citizens in india
Chup rah behen....🙏🙏
Pajeet detected
Nope, because you follow and support Brahmavad, Those are staying to eat beef. Start having beef and you do not need them. They were forced by Brahmins to stay in India.
@@vinsin328😂fool Hindusnism is open religion not based on any book nor any rule we have many Geetha for example Krishna Geetha astavkar geetha or shiv Geetha etc but not a single muslim can't able to write new Quran
@@moonbhoi3584like Pakistan send,, Afgani to Afghanistan similarly India also need to send 24 crore,, muslims to Pakistan than India can sell 24 crore peoples food to World and earn billions ✌️
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I cant seem to find this article. Can anyone help
Found it. It's by Robert hoyland.
Unionist party of punjab was closer to congrsss than muslim league. Like Sir Sikandar Hayat Khan was closer to nehru and wanted to stay with india but had to conform with the British decision.
If youre claiming jinnah never wanted to break Punjab then what he wanted all of punjab in pakistan?
That wasnt likeky as their elected leader Sir Sikandar Hayat Khan was pro congress. Most likely a united punjab would have gone to india.
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A state came into existence on the basis of religion, is prune to it's mere existence, because the base notion of religion supersedes the rights of public which is the element of state not an ideology.
Afghanistan seems to me will be a more stable country then Pakistan in just few years.
I agree with your thought on this.
What are you basing this assumption on?
I see problems of ethnic issues, disempowerment of women (half of Afghanistan) lack of democratic institutions, Sharia led penal system etc. that make it internally weak and externally at odds with rest of world.
Exactly
Brilliant discussion, Shershah is one of the brightest minds in Pakistan
Bhai let the guest talk 😅 kya insecurity hai
Muzammil bhai aik bar phr mehmaan ban gaye..
Jinnah wasn’t a prophet and could be wrong.
Even Prophet of Islam was wrong about many things; just as all prophets were. For instance while saying that Earth is flat and still (Surah 15:19 and 71:19,), Sun goes around Earth (Surah 7:54, 14:33, 21:33, 31:29, 35:13, Q36:40, Q39:5) and sets in a muddy puddle (Surah18:86), that Moon was split in two (Quran 54:1) Mountains are nailed into Earth to stabilize it (Surah 21:31) and Meteors are missiles thrown by God to deter Shaitaan (Surah 67:5), Earthquakes are caused by human sins (Surah 99:1 to 8) and that while Ajwa dates are anti-dotes to poison (Sahih Bukhari 5768), Nigella seeds can cure anything but Death (Sunan Ibn Majah 3447) while camel urine can cure diseases (Sahih Bukhari Vol.1, Book4, Number 234) and water cannot be polluted (Ibn Majah 518, and Sunan-Al Nasai 328)
Alhamdulillah Shershah is an asset of our country and people like him should be inspiration for our generation.
The real difference between Pakistan and Afghanistan is that unlike Pakistan, Afghan Govt is sincere towards its people and country. Afghanistan has bare-bones Govt and military structure but super effiecient as well. They don't have millions of active duty security forces, their terrain is harsh, their area is probably bigger and sparesly populated but still they maintain peace, law and order far better than us. You can also observe the same peace of mind, law and order in GCC while driving through barren deserts. In GCC, Some small cities would have 1 police station and you would rarely see any Police presence in those cities but still safer than Islamabad's red zone.
They generate resources for the Govt, development and their people whereas Pakistani Govt $ucks blood from its citizens.
This idea would seem to be counterintuitive to many of you but i bet that remove this Pakistani Govt system, dismantle the establishment and let the people live free. The decentralized bunch if tribes would be more prosperous and developed that what this current Govt structure wouldn't even have dreamt to be in the next 6 decades.
Edit: I am not against the federation of Pakistan but introduced this idea to show that how much inefficient, corrupt, exploitative and unsustainable this system is. Decentralization, minimizing the Govt's structure and making it efficient is the way to go.
This idea would seem to be counterintuitive to many of you but i bet that remove this Pakistani Govt system, dismantle the establishment and let the people live free. The decentralized bunch if tribes would be more prosperous and developed that what this current Govt structure wouldn't even have dreamt to be in the next 6 decades.
That's exactly what we Indians want as well. Independent Punjab, Sindh and Balochistan. Kudos someone talking sense here.
@@vishalbajaj4231 I am not against the federation of Pakistan but introduced this idea to show that how much inefficient, corrupt and exploitative this system is. Decentralization, minimizing the Govt's structure and making it efficient is the way to go.
If you wanna have independent Pakistani provinces then first give independence to your own territories. Then we would be talking on equal terms
@@vishalbajaj4231 and we are discussing Pakistan's hardcore internal matters here. There's nothing for you to get excited. And geopolitics, global diplomacy is entirely another topic .
@@asimjabbar8445 Haha. Only fools think that geopolitics and internal matters are different. Also in India our States have a lot of autonomy. Some States like Maharashtra and Tamil Nadu have GDP higher than Pak as well. So thank you for your suggestion and you will be happy to know our States are independent and prospering.
Can you tell me what to call these people?
1. Muslims who had invaded Indian subcontinent since 712 AD and settled in India or Pakistan.
2. People of subcontinent who embraced Islam.
3. People of subcontinent who are living in Pakistan.
4. People of subcontinent who are muslims and living in Pakistan.
It seems like you are aimed to defame Pakistan by making anti-Pakistan videos. Do something constructive bro, you will get nothing out of this bullsh!t.
3rd.. but kya krunnnnn
study krun ya podcast dekhoooonnnnnnn????!!!
Shershah again with my ideal muzammil hassan😍
Why dont you consider that governament and state is part of islam and thats why muslims who believe in islam try to speak for how to pracfice islam in that sense ?
So you think it will be okay to declare you a Kafir and then kill you and make your mother, sister as slaves.
What if the state declares your sister as Kafir and ask you to treat her as slave.
Haha, what an abuse of these terms like secular, modernist etc. complete jelebis and these chaps pretend to agree that they understand each other.
I totally agree with you on Afghanistan 💯
Iske sawaal iske guests ke answers se zyada lambe hote hai...😂
To better understanding on Modern Muslims Invite Dr Zahid Mughal , Dr Abdul Wahab Siri. They academics.
@@adnankhawarazeem2655 Javed Akbar Ansari, Syed Khalid Jamae, Dr Rasheed Arshad & Dr Faseeh Ahmad, Ahmad Javaid
asal mai hmain boht hi bura lgta hai jb hm ye sochte hain k hmare ancesstors iffidels they wo to thank God unho ne apne app ko convert kr lya ya chahe jaise ye indian ilxaam lgate hain k talwar k zoor pe convert kya to allah us badshah ko jannat mai jga dai jis ne talwar k zoor pe hi mere ancesstors ko convert kraya meri samajh nahi ata baqi ko kyo chora jaise arab mai iran mai or central asia or turk ko muslim bnaya tha k musalman ho wrna mulk chor jao wrna qatl krdainge yahan k logo k sath zyadti kr di unhe hindu chor dya ye bechare aj bhi hathi bnder ki puja kye ja rahe hain
a podcast with EON Boys
Nice podcast
❌ Kashmir bane ga India
✅ India bane ga Kashmir
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study kro ya podcast deko
🐫 🐛 🪲 🐞 📗 🚑 🏥 instead of 🐂 💩
You should've broken down this topic into two videos: one could be Dil ki Baat and one could be another one in which you let Shershah speak. This one was too loaded with Muzammil's own opinions which are interesting, but you didn't even let the guest finish his sentences before doing 10 minute long monologues.
That is absolutely true sir and I apologize for that. This is my fault and I hope to rectify in the future!
India is more away from us
You guys discussed some very esoteric ideas, and I will admit, totally surprised me. I was under the impression that Pakistan is devoid of people who can think at all (rationally or otherwise). So its great to to see Shershah and yourself as people who actually read and think. Kudos, and here's hoping that your quest to find thought leaders actually meets success.
That said, the basic problem with a declared muslim state is the self-referenced finality in the Quran. Which blocks off all pursuit of knowledge and free thought in any society wedded to the book as a literal manual for societial structure.
It would be one thing if it was something people used in private life and there wasn't a state-sponsored coercion to follow things literally to the letter. In other words, you can't build a 3rd Republic of any sort in the 22nd Century with a manual from the 7th Century.
Everyone is walking on eggshells around this central issue.
I feel sorry for you guys in a sense. It's a catch-22 situation. If you follow it to the letter, you can't progress at all. If you don't, then people challenge the essence/raison d'etre of your nation-state. There's really no winning here.
Same is in northern states of India, where beef is banned and Brahmavad is promoted.
@@vinsin328 Beef ban doesn't get in the way of building a space station. And love or hate for Brahmins is a political not a religious phenomenon.
Aba kya identity islam hi musalmano identity hai haa culture language ethnicity hai wo islam bhi allow karta hai lekin islam hi original identity hai logic simple
Identity geographical hoti hai na ki personal belief
Mere jaanne wala christian ban gaya ab kya wo khud ko America Britain se khud ko jodne lage
Akhirkar originaly to wo hindu hi hai
no way this is happening
Thanks a lot Jinnah Saheb tahe dil se, thanks thanks thanks 😅😅😅😅😅
There is no identity crisis except in the upper echelon of the society tbh. They have a gora complex rest Pakistan sindh, balochi, pashtun and Punjabi are all different and accept their differences. Some people say we have an Arab complex but no we don't. Now Arabs are changing are we copying them? Yes we do follow the religion as it's mentioned but even our dresses are not Arab. Shalwar kameez etc. Language but if you look at the gora complex their language dressing styling each thing changes with time like how things change in the west. That's very few people who we need to call out
As the Quaid’s said, first and foremost a Pakistani, and a Muslim >. Not the other way around! If born to Pakistani parents one is a Pakistani > 😕could be Muslim, Christian, Sikh, Hindu > Pakistaniat is key, comes first!
Your so called quaid was child of converted gujarati hindu baniya 😂😅.. did Pakistani studies about his grandfather??
Yes in mumbai there are fewer Hindu-muslim riots but in UP there are a lot more..in Mumbai hindu-muslims are very involved in each others life due to economic pursuits whereas in UP' there are separate Hindu Muslim towns.......
Because Mumbai is colonial idea. Gandhi opposed city life.
Ye sab debates ne research karchike tha dr israr Ahmed sahab
How can there be modern Pakistani 😅😅😅😅aap Sunni subko hate kurte ho😅😅 hindu, Jews, Christian, shia, UDA kadiyani, agha khani, minorities, hazara, Afghan subko hate kurte ho 🎉🎉😢😢😂 😅😅😅😅😅
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Shershah again🤌🏻❤️
How have other muslims been in peace with their national identity ? Don't you know about the taliban movement, the Arab spring? The intifada ? The movements in Malaysia, in Africa?
Majority of them are not.
Bro thinking is like Taliban thinking.bro thinking Sharia should come in pakistan.
Brother, mother promise.before 1 hour ago I was continuing your podcast in the middle of the podcast slept.in that sleep you came in my dream and I met you in Dubai airport but you are not talking to me in the aeroplane.suddenly I woke up and realised it was all dream.and now iam continuing your podcast 😂😂😂😂❤❤
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Sirs, yes Mr Jinnah wanted whole of punjab and whole of Bengal.
That makes him a land grabber by hook or crook.
He didn't want KPK, Baluchistan, Kashmir etc.