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For those questioning the Houses, this webinar has a modern take that is widely known as the "Twelve Letter Alphabet", or "Archetypes". In our fundamentals program, we take a more traditional approach (no Twelve Letter Alphabet, and traditional planetary rulers) to teaching students about astrology. We do, however, expose students to modern techniques and concepts. Kepler College has a "big tent" and we are open to varying points of view, philosophies, and techniques. It is up to the students which path they choose to take. 🙂
"THE MYSTIC SWIMS 🏊♀️ IN THE SAME WATERS 💧 THE CRAZY PERSON DROWNS IN" -An EXCELLENT 8th / 12th house quote 🎉😊 Thank you for the excellent job on this video
I'm only halfway through this, Carmen. But it's a total relief to hear you tell these stories that resonate so deeply. The sharing of the stories helps so much... all these secrets and all this strangeness we experience! I can't thank you enough for the work you're doing. I've never heard such an open and touching talk on these difficult matters. I'm going to go look for your channel now. Thanks a million, Carmen. You are very much appreciated. Sending you love and hugs from Ireland💕🌊
Awe thank you so much for your sweet words! I love Ireland so much and traveled there several times when I lived in Germany twice My grandmothers side is form Ireland I love it there so much Thank you for sharing and following my work so happy you felt it resonated ❤
I bought the book immediately on The 12th House and received it the next day and read it easily in a few hours. It was filled with information that felt validating. I loved the added testimonies at the end of the book. Thank you for this webinar!
As 12th house sun I had so much anxiety and fear over hurting others as a child it lead into huge issues . Even negative thought of others was bad and that I was a bad person because i couldnt get the thoughts out of my head. It lead to substance abuse when younger to escape ( moon opp nep 😂) I am a practicing astrologer and this was so refreshing reminding me of many things in my own nature. I spend alot of time working with others and often forget my own energy/issues 😂. Escapism in bad ways until learning meditation 🧘♂️ it saved my life 😊
As an 8th houser I feel the resilience comes in part from going through the hard times, and facing the darker sides of life. You build confidence and trust in yourself that you can handle anything. Just like how any challenge we go through can ultimately make us stronger. If you have strong 8th house it can feel like your experiencing more of these challenges than the avg person perhaps.
Yes I totally agree. I was born in the early 80s and looking back on my whole life I somehow always had strength to make it through the toughest times. I have Capricorn sun, Sag moon and Pisces rising and a stelli on the 8th house. I am a very imaginative person but at the same time a realist. I’m not the type to wear rose colored glasses but I know things will be ok. Anytime I feel anxiety in stressful situations I remind myself that worry is misuse of imagination so instead of visual positive scenarios and I am able to overcome the anxiety and think clearly and even recently had some stressful situations but everything worked out even better than I could imagine. I totally believe in a spirit world and I try to help others overcome grief because unfortunately I have experienced much loss since the year I was born.
I’m still barely midway this episode, and it’s already been so validating and helpful. My entire family has 12H placements, and we can all relate to these descriptions .im so glad to know of Carmen Turner-Schott and her work..
I've loved listening to this and I will listen again, and probably again. Thank you Carmen, you have given so much of yourself in such a selfless manor. Your knowledge is phenomenal and I could listen to you all day ❤
I have Pluto in Leo in the 8th conjunct the SN, BML and my Moon. I have psychic gifts, suffered the death of my infant daughter, the loss of my large intestine, a few NDEs and worked as a counselor in hospice and trauma. I also have Mars in Sag in the 12th on my Asc and I became a theologian and astrologer. This is my confirmation of Carmen's teaching.
@@serenadevon Thank you for your concern, but the losses were decades ago and the healing gifts, wisdom and compassion that grew as a result part of what I consider the gifts of this incarnation.
@@serenadevon Serena 😇, I want to acknowledge your comment. It takes empathy and compassion to leave the Kind Note (and emojis) you left. I'm 68 1/2 years old and suffered many losses which still hold place and respect within my heart. BLESS your Heart for the offering of healing prayers ❤🙏... You made a Difference in 'me' today: a test of life is 'human relating'. I lift YOU up, in turn. In the Beatitudes, Jesus says that those who Mourn Shall be Comforted. Thank YOU for reaching out, and for walking this earth as the Gentle Being that you Are. -- Psalm 34:18 “The Lord is near to the brokenhearted and saves the crushed in spirit.” Psalm 73:26 “My flesh and my heart faileth: but God is the strength of my heart, and my portion forever.” Matthew 5:4 “Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.” {ref Chatbooks}
This was a great webinar. I have 4 traditional planets in the 12th house and one of my kids has 4 traditional planets in the 8th. Much gratitude for this well explained deep dive into these otherwise difficult houses to delineate.
Agreed-so incredibly grateful for this presentation! I have a Leo 8th house stellium/NN, and my son has an Aquarius 12th house stellium/NN. We both have Neptune in the 12H. This was incredibly helpful & validating. My progressed Scorpio moon will move in to my Sag 12th at the end of the month. During its 2.5 years in Scorpio was when my son was diagnosed with ASD as well as depression/anxiety & seemingly overnight retreated from his formerly socially active life. I had to quit my job to give him full time care. Many other painful losses have occurred during this time. Thank you so much for your work, I plan on adding your books to my library. I am a psychic/astrologer/tarot reader & have been searching for this kind of info for some time!
@@leahrives6746 Thank you for sharing and sending healing and prayers to your son - take care of you too - caring for a loved one is special but also make time for self care 🌹
Dear Carmen, you’re right in the 🎯 I’m one of them with cancer node in the 12th house, aquarius in 8th house …. Î’m blessed because I have been resilient always even walking in the fire or the dark sea, yes this is phoenix’s trip. I called myself Vouivre (water dragon with a red garnet on the ajna forehead)I always felt deeply abandoned by some karmic past life’s events, I was confused about un conditional love, I thought I was there to know all the Colors of love on this planet, I developed my skill’s, talents because I enjoy to learn, to be curious, rebel by playing with paradoxes or strategic and systemic warrior as social worker. I feel also that no one on this earth can stop me to listen to my soul ever, that has been my coherence in our western insane soci. Anyways, dear host, dear Carmen all gratitude for this brillant podcast based on a such quality, such an experience with ethic postures ❤
Carmen has such a deep understanding of the 8th and 12th houses. I have Neptune in the 8th and a 12th house stellium and I have told Carmen about my dreams and experiences. It’s just amazing that so many people see these patterns with these placements.
As she with a grand fire trine in the water houses (including a 12th house stellium with my sun conjunct my Chiron, including, too, my Venus, my Mercury [which is conjunct my ASC]), with a series of experiences akin Carmen's, I'm so deeply grateful to have found this video among my recommendations. I felt a shock of recognition in the first moments of watching--so extraordinarily rare for me.
12H Stellium here ( Moon, Neptune & Uranus) trining Mars in the 8th house. All the 12th house significations resonate so deeply with me; from imagining a bubble around myself because of the overwhelm of the energies around, needing lots of solitude, LOVING silence, feeling like I'm in a constant dream state and in disbelief at times that we are actually alive and having this human experience, to mystical experiences and the list goes on. So many things that can be hard to even explain to others.
My Virgo 12th House Moon loved every morsel of this webinar. My soul embraced all that you shared. I too, have lived the experiences, especially the Phoenix and the dream work. Also, I have been a 'Dear Abby' my whole life .... there is just so much that I resonated with here, thank you so very much xo. My books just arrived ... so, on to reading for the rest of the afternoon while I have some 'alone' time. Blessings my dear, you are an Angel.
I have Libra on the 8th house, stellium with Pluto, Jupiter and Saturn. I have dealt with loss since the year I was born, my grandfather passed away before I turned a year old. I had a close friend I was dating pass away when he was only 21, loss multiple friends under the age of 40 and in 2022 lost my first nephew at 22 years old. There are no words to describe the pain but I have used my life experiences and also study astrology and I read tarot. I do passed on loved one readings for people but I take regular breaks from it because it can be very draining. I have been fascinated with psychic abilities and paranormal since a very young age and I also learned about Edgar Cayce at a young age and was amazed by his abilities. I enjoy studying astrology and it has helped me immensely in understanding myself and others. I appreciate your work and helping others heal through trauma.
Wow thank you for this! Loved your passion as a fellow aries moon & a 12th house stellium person (sun-mercury-jupiter tightly conjunct). Learning astrology I felt afraid and a sense of doom for myself reading all of the 12th house tags of prisons, hospitals, isolation. Finally I found jungian psychology and just understood the 12th house is just the collective unconscious, and 12th housers have a direct connection to it, as if we share a soul membrane with that body of consciousness. I deeply felt when you said "it wasnt love that I was feeling it was their pain and I wanted to help them" ... such a strong pattern with the 12th, also with Neptune square Venus in my chart I think is a similar energy. We are sensitive healers & I believe unless we choose to walk that path as our life mission, we will serve it in our love affairs & suffer from it. Loved your talk & thanks for doing these water houses some real understanding!
I'm so relieved to hear this. I have a stellium in the 8th house and Jupiter in my 12th house of Leo. I know that frozen state when there is an evil presence and the energy I pick up is exhausting. I've been teaching myself astrology and tarot and finally the 8th house makes sense I'm not scared now and I'm a Virgo rising also. Thank you😊
This was bloody beautiful thank you.. I’m hearing you speak my life out.. 12 th house Pisces ♓️ ☀️ o degrees!! Aries ♈️ rising 6 degrees ,Aquarius ♒️ moon 4 degrees 11 th house!! Aries in Chiron… I listen to astrology to help me stay alive .. due to mental health issues . No one could help me.. let alone understand me ..( Most recently my family turned and walked away after mum died .12 th March..2023 .. Close to me most of life then the narcissist came out.. shredded my heart .. then the rest of the family started .. I cared for mum thru cancer ♋️ on my own.. “but it’s was my fault in the end” I know it’s not.Coz I gave all my love and support till I had none at all. That’s a feeling way bigger than empty.. so much I could ad to this..so Cool!!!) All these dates have been so full on .. I don’t understand it all but I feel it..
Thank you for sharing with us and I’m sorry to hear about your mum- your an Angel for caring for her it’s never easy on family to care for someone who is sick - my grandfather took care of my grandma for a long time she had Alzheimer’s Thank you for watching the webinar
*Sun, Mars, mercury 8th house cancer. *Moon, Saturn, Pluto 12th house scorpio. Currently 39 years old and my goodness it’s been a full life of spirituality, transformation and change.
i love carmen so much! she has helped me heal immensely. i have dealt with almost all of these experiences- cap 8h stellium sun mercury venus mars neptune and uranus. pluto and jupiter in scorpio. SN in the 12h ♥️
This is great to inow! My highly regenerative Dad had almost all planets in his 8th house in Aquarius. He did not want me to show him his chart. He was a miracle since birth, surviving all kinds of physical challenges and overcoming them. He had an extraordinary attitude and will, living a highly active, interactive, successful and beautiful, long life! He was a joy to be with and influenced many in huge ways. Naturally psychic ... never wanted to talk about it. He was a natural in business, too. He was the best Dad! A rare man in the best ways.
Loved your presentation Carmen! Was so good. Thank you! 🙏 I'm definitely both a phoenix & an angel and I've deeply felt most of these indicators for my entire life. I have venus in aries in 8th house opposite pluto. 29 degree Scorpio Full Moon conjunct IC & uranus in scorpio. SN in Pisces in 7th square neptune.& 12th house Black moon lilith. Would love to hear your take on Black Moon Lilith in 12th! thanks Kepler College! Loving your channel.
This is amazing! 12th house Jupiter, 8th house Neptune, stellium in 6th house. Luckily, no alcohol addictions!🙏 Yes so many times I wondered why I am here. My nephew has Jupiter in 8th house & Sagittarius rising. His name is Phoenix.💕 TY for this lovely & informative video!
I am a Virgo 12th Houser (with a stellium in my 12th). I bought your book about the 12th House and enjoyed reading it. It’s one of my favorite Astrological books. I was excited to hear you speak today.
I appreciate this webinar- sun Venus south node 8th - eclipse baby) (opposite Pluto on north node 2nd) Saturn in Leo in 12th- With a fire trine 8th/ 12th w Neptune in 4th…. Out of all the years of “formal “ training with gifted well versed talented long time astrologers it perhaps takes someone with real life experience to give a voice to these houses- my soul appreciates this-talk thank you
@@CarmenTurnerSchott I’m comfortable with my 8th house- so much so that I’ve been a “death doula” and assisted in the dying process with others… I’ve already gotten on your waiting list for a consultation as- your words “not comfortable with comfort “- wow! Those words hit home… so I’m excited with how you can assist me with the “not death process “ a little bit more… thank you so much for sharing your valuable insights again and I look forward to a personal consultation in 2024💫🌱💜
Thank You Carmen and Kepler personel. Ive kind of tried to move living with 1st h virgo Sun, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn, but its pretty obvious the 1st three always in some sense stay in the 12th. North Node in leo would move in 12th with whole sign, so its really one and the same. Having fun with 8th h profection year, with ruler in scorpio, new Moon conjunct Uranus square nodes. Gorgeous times. Stay blessed.
Thank you for sharing - I just finished my 12th house perfection year It can be an intense time and those 8th house patterns can come up and influence things The 12th house is my favorite house
@@CarmenTurnerSchott Thank You for your kind work with healing people. Im coming to conclusion I heal energy in locations. Neptune conjunct Ic in sag, and solar return chart now has Asc conjunct those. And Moon in 0° aries that I feel to be important sign of some rebirth. Lunations have aspected natal Moon & Mars(they share quincunx) and next Full Moon conjunct natal. Also so many 20° placements that they have been triggered. Ive done meticulous work with my charts ( virgo 1st h stellium 😄) and it is so beautiful to see how they mirror each other. I do feel like a mirrorball around other people, currently its not ok, and I stay in meditative solitude as much as possible. Besides, universe supports that. 🌰🌱🌳🪺🐦🐛🦋🍃🪺🍂🕸🍁🪽❄️
Thank you so much for sharing this with the world! It feels nice to know that we are not alone! As a 12th Sun and Mercury (whole sign) , I can totally relate to everything you have shared. The ruler of my 12th is in the 12th too. I have also switched to Placidus and I have Pluto and South Node in the 8th. I have premonitions happening to me, discovered a family secret. I am someone who has always been interested in the spiritual world, always has been different from others. Sagittarius Sun in the 12th whole sign, made me leave my country of origin, France and established myself in Australia. I went to ashrams, learned astrology, tarot, practice daily yoga, tried different religion establishments. I have always believed and experienced signs after someone’s passing and definitely need solitude!!! I feel that I have been a nun in a past life or that there was abuse. Sexuality is a big issue!
I am a Pisces with Neptune in the 8th house; north node and Chiron in the 12th. I can relate to all you say! The unseen is very familiar...seen with the 3rd eye, felt, known, etc. Reiki, reading energy....
8th house sun in Aries, Pluto and the Moon in Leo 12th house. So much of this resonates deeply. Grew up in a home where I was physically abused to the point of broken teeth and broken bones. (Mars opposition Saturn.) At age 17, my boyfriend disappeared. His mother would answer the phone and simply say he wasn't home when I asked about him. A year later, I was a passenger in a car when the news story on the radio said his body had been found on the bluffs behind his family home overlooking Lake Michigan. He had died of a drug overdose. Several of my high school friends died in the Vietnam war. In my 20s, a casual boyfriend committed suicide. My mother died when I was 19. I got chills when Carmen said many 8th house people have dreams of being in a coffin. Yup! That dream occurred about a year before I moved to the West Coast from the Midwest where I grew up. I did take the dream literally when it occurred (I was suicidal myself), but in retrospect, realized that it was about me ending my life with my abusive family and moving away where I could begin to put the pieces of my life back together. I had several relationships that involved physical violence. I'm definitely psychic, do energy work and I'm an artist...Now, at age 70, I've found peace with myself and with those around me. I'm hoping this is my last incarnation. Planet earth is a tough "school".
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!!!❤️❤️❤️ Carmen I have Jupiter in Virgo in my 12th house & my south node is in my 8th house in ehukchmi have Taurus. The north node is in Scorpio in my second house. God & the Angels Bless you always!!!🙏🌈🌻🌹
Jupiter and Chiron in 8th house Cancer and Pluto 12th house Scorpio. My life challenges are all about family, relationships and finance. I've surrendered to accept myself and give forgiveness to everyone to heal myself and grow. Trusting in the universe management. I notice everything's changing to better and better, it's like rebirth power. I'm so grateful for myself right here and right now. 💛
Lovely and I like to meet others with Jupiter and Chiron in 8th I think this Jupiter helps us see the bright side and growth we have been through and appreciate the transformations once we heal from them Thank you for sharing ❤
Wow, this was fantastic! I have a very similar chart to Carmen’s so hearing some of her experiences as a 12th house Sun (etc) in Virgo was extremely helpful and validating- it’s been quite the journey for me! The explanations on the betrayal theme gave me loads of food for thought- thank you🙏💖!! Just signed up for the class in March.
thank you! I have read both your books on the 12th house and I am considering your upcoming Kepler class. What information will be shared that is not already covered in your books? Thanks again!
Thank you for this wonderful webinar 🤗. I do not have any planet in 8th or 12th, but I can relate to the subject. The ruler of 8th is on my Asc, Moon & Mercury are in Scorpio. My clients are usually with strong Pluto placements, or highly sensitive persons. Thank you, this webinar was very helpful💞
I've loved this talk so much ,being an 8th house and 12th house placements ,I've just ordered your book of Amazon UK ,this talk felt like a personal reading, thankyou Carmen❤😊
Wow. Wow, wow, wow. Fellow therapist. Starting EMDR training this year. Abuse survivor. 8th and 9th house stellium, Jupiter in 12th house, the “guardian angel.” AND Pluto in 1st house. Saturn and NN together in 8th house (Aries), both at the same degree. Vesta at 29 degrees 7th house (Pisces), right behind Chiron 1st degree 8th house. Brother attempted suicide (survived). Dreams. And more I haven’t even mentioned. People coming up and pouring out their life stories…my (Scorpio) husband’s witnessed this firsthand. All of this is the truth. Wounded healer is right. We’re in the same tribe. ❤️
Amazing I am loving this whole video. 12 house Scorpio with Jupiter there. Sagittarius rising 8th house cancer with my north node there. I’m a dreamer my father killed him self when I was 5. Been through a lot. I have in the past few years really diving into dream work and life purpose. I know I am a natural astrologer and love how healing it has been for me I love helping people learn their charts. Are you doing chart readings? Do you have classes we can join?
@christalynnpenovaroff8920 thank you for sharing. I am not doing consults right now due to a large waitlist. I do have a Kepler class in March all about the 8th and 12th, more of a deep dive.
Ju,Ma,NN in 8H leo,cap asc here.Ur,Me,Ne in scorpio 11H,12H sag sun😊(according to vedic astrology)Special educaionist by profession.Reiki master(Usui,5D Quantum Healing,Holifire),NLP,EFT&TPT practioner,tarot reader,learning vedic astrology.thank u for sharing such profound knowledge❤
Mars in Pisces-ruled 12th in Aries. Had a Kundalini awakening. Also have the occasional psychic dream. Also have had hidden enemies, usually Aries types or Scorpio moons. Nothing in 8.
I have Pluto in Scorpio in the fourth house, and i have had a very similar experience to what you describe about 8th house people, although my 8th house is “empty” in all except whole sign system, where Jupiter is found there in Pisces. It’s funny, because my entire life i have related so deeply to Plutonic and Scorpionic energy, which i attribute to my Pluto placement. While Pluto is a generational planet, i think the placement of him in any of the water houses makes our experience with Pluto much more personal! Great webinar. Thank you for sharing your experience and wisdom with us, helping to illuminate these very mysterious houses! 🔥
Thank you for sharing and for your kind words. I see this experience of what you shared with Pluto in those water houses for sureZ so many people with natal Pluto in 4th will experience and share with me those patterns we discussed it validates their life experience ❤
I have Mars and Saturn in Scorpio in the 2nd and no planets in the 8th - I understand Trauma. My Moon is in the 12th in Virgo, I love it there! I definitely feel what you say. And .... your Phoenix and Angels book is arriving today, I can't wait!! I also ordered your Moon Sign book and the Mysteries of the 8th and 12th houses, Fallen Angels. I'm very excited to deep dive into your wisdom. I've been practicing and taking courses as a counselling Astrologer over the past 10 years, this is wonderful!! As Astrologers we never stop learning. My Pluto in Leo is in the 11th house so I'm relating to everything you are sharing. Thank you, Carmen, from my heart. I look forward to learning more about my Virgo 12th house Moon. xoxo
Thank you so much Carmen! Wow! Your explanation of the 8th house is spot on for me!! I have Uranus and North node in Leo 8H and yes, I have experienced many of the same things my entire life! I am extra sensitive to energy also, as a child I could see many things at night (nothing I could specifically identify, but feel). I was extremely terrified of the dark! I want to be a Rieke healer!
@@CarmenTurnerSchott Thank you❤my angel messenger! I have been having an increasing desire to learn Reiki, and now I feel you confirmed this for me🥰 I am so excited! Thank you!!!
Oooooo just spoke about me and all my experiences totally freaked right now in a good way .., 12 house moon 12 house Saturn 12 house Taurus Mid haven empty
This was an incredible presentation! Thank you I’ve been looking gift information on the 8th (my Saturn square my sun and moon t square) and (12th Pluto in Virgo on my asc 29degrees) Where would I find the slides for this, please and the links for the facebook groups. 🙏
Thank you so much for this powerful lecture Carmen! I loved this so much. I can definitely relate to everything you have talked about! Mars in the 8th ruling the 5th and 12th, I have experienced many early deaths, spirits and trauma. This feels very validating and oddly comforting. Thank you so much for sharing this. 🙏
A really interesting topic ✨ I noticed that the 12th and 8th houses were associated with Pisces and Scorpio in this video. This seems to be a popular school of thought, Is there a video on the reasoning of why/how houses correspond to specific signs of the zodiac?
It's a modern concept where each sign is associated with a house and they go in chronological order from Aries (the first sign/house) to Pisces (12th sign/house)
Not sure if I understand your question correctly, but the houses always follow the same order of Aries 1H, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio 8H, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius and Pisces 12H.
@pixiee970 I really don't understand why modern astrology associates houses with zodiac signs. Some similarities...maybe, but extracting information for interpreting the house as a zodiac sign is just a very unclear interpretation. They are two distinct topics.
What a generous gesture from you! A very informative full lecture 🌸💗 Thank you . I never thought I would understand myself more 8th house Venus+ ketu in Pisces ♓️ I feel 8 and 12th house energy! grateful for you 💗
I feel seen! My sun, Jupiter and Mercury are in Pisces in the 12th house, moon conjunct Pluto in Scorpio in the 8th house. The rest of my chart is in fire and earth signs (rising sign, north node and Mars in Aries in the 1st; Uranus and Saturn in Sagittarius in the 9th; Venus conjunct Neptune in Capricorn in the 10th). I used to be a social worker but couldn't handle it. Now I'm training to be a hairdresser and studying the esoteric. I've felt connected to the mystical and spiritual realms my whole life. I incorporate healing, transformation, advocacy, empowerment, and collective solidarity through my creative expression.
Thank you for sharing ❤ Social work is a high burnout field I think doing astrology has always helped me as of o was just normal social work it would be very hard Burn out has happened to me too We have to do what brings us joy ❤
@@rebellerevelle Thank you so much! I find Jupiter in 12th is like a guardian Angel protection It protects - I wish I had more time for the 12th house and stories so much to fit in 🌹
Great video on this! I have a lot of 8th house while my mom and an ex have a lot of 12th house. Astrology has been helpful to understand us better. I will say, having a more loaded 8th house, my experience hasn't really been death, in fact I don't really even think about it much or have experienced a ton of loss. Only lost a grandmother and an uncle, however I felt peace. I am interested a lot in esoteric themes and I have a heavy 3rd house as well, (Scorpio rising) for more context. I understand death on a different level which makes me feel comfortable with it. I think on a personal level, 8th house in my experience could be about teaching about death later as I mature and evolve more. I also experience a lot of death of life of what I know of it and myself metaphorically. I can barely catch my breath of how to be, because I'm already on a new path of rebirth of a new cell of myself. My changes happen in micro tears constantly but when I look over in a year, the changes are huge. Last couple of years, I've gone through a lot of grief with really doing a lot of healing work of my childhood and the trauma.
I have a Pisces 8H, no planets. But people dump on me a lot too. I would go to walk mart like you and get stopped by someone telling me their whole life story. And be there for hours. I finally just started contracting my aura in public to create boundaries. My coworkers tell me a lot of personal info as well. I guess it helps that I’m a psychic tarot reader and astrologer I have always dissociated since I was a child I still feel like none of this is even real.
That was so interesting, validating and giving hope! I relate to a lot of that, yet I only have my Part of Fortune in the 12th house. I wonder if the Part of Fortune can have so much influence in someone's chart?
North node, Vertex, Vesta in Leo in 8th house,...and in placidus also Mars in Libra in 8th...Kinda all about that depth, truth, transformation, rebirth.
Gosh, to sit an have tea with you. Was raised Baptist and finally after a decade almost of my own experience that's led me here, and I finally signed up for my first class. The release I felt when I signed up was incredible. Sun and Merc in 12( ruled by cancer Leo sun, cancer merc, Jupiter in Pisces in 8th)( house is also ruled by pisces, and my moon(Aries) and North node(Aries) are ninth also ruled by pisces. I feel coded for something huge in this arena but I have a Pluto complex and tons of retrogrades. It's taking a while and I just want to get to know the mission and go!!! Im just in tears. So much of this hit straight to the core. I think i need to work with you....... Im on tears listening yo this i dont underatand. Thank you ❤ ( Felt led to leave this comment)
Omg you sound like you have a very similar chart to mine. Thank you so much for seeing me and giving me some validation. It would be so amazing to have a conversation with you. I am double Virgo sun in 12 th in placidus and Scorpio north node, also Pluto conjunct mercury, mars and Venus Libra in So then you may be or have experienced the triple progression into Scorpio. I have that coming in May I can not imagine what a triple Scorpio progressed with mars in progressed Scorpio already and the natal NN conjunct Uranus.
Wonderful talk I now understand …I have Venus in the 12th house and Mars in the eighth and Neptune on the ascendant it’s all making much more sense why I went through what I did …thank you🙏💕
So good ..am Pluto ASC South node Aries 8th mmm yes ...similar virgo rising .... it's good to hear you talk this ...yes not many people can or want to share this stuff...thank you ❤
Lord have mercy!...lol.... yes ..yes ..yes to everything, to the T. Even spirit/entity at foot of bed. Moon in Capricorn in the 12th, Sun, Pluto, Mars and Juno in 8th in Libra! Excellent presentation. Thank you!!!
In a Venus and Sun in Taurus 12th. Mars conjunct neptune in capricon 8th house. Jupiter pisces. Moon pluto scorpio guy and I can see the spirit world too. Entities, negative and more high vibing ones when I meditate/close my eyes. The deceased father of my sisters boyfriend recently visited me and I had to act as a medium (for the first time in my life) and convey a message for my sister. I can relate to this speaker on a deep level
Hi Carmen I watched your video yesterday you said to post it in the comments section and I greatly enjoyed it. Moon in Scorpio 8th and Sun and Pisces and Mercury in the 12th..😃😀😄
But talking about the 8th which I resonate a lot, you can also count the houses as they are starting Aries 1st house, and then Scorpio 8th house where I have, Chiron, Lilith, MC in Scorpio...And with Pluto Moon conjunction in 12th, man its tooouhh...That is two water rulling planets of Cancer and Scorpio in a water house - 12th house. They say dont complain, I say do whatever you feel, you want . What do you think ?
I have Mars in my 8th in Cancer and Lot of Fortune in 8th in Gemini (dad's sun sign), and when I was 17, my dad was electrocuted at home. My little sister and I were then left a trust fund. North node, Uranus in 12th in Scorpio too.
I just wonder, what do you think och the modern astrological notion of 12th house = Pisces and that Neptune has dethroned Jupiter as the ruler . I am now feeling liberated by the restoration of Jupiter by young Hellenistic astrologers. I now have ditched the new rulers in favour of the traditional rulers. Now it all make sense! What do you think?
I am an 8th house person and my youngest daughter is a 12th house person. My parents really did a number on me and the focus of my life is to heal so I don’t cause my children pain and suffering. My youngest has her moon, north node, and Uranus in Taurus in the 12th. Anyone have any advice on how to best support and parent her?
Thank you so much for sharing ❤ your doing all the right things teach her to trust her intuition and inner voice and to have boundaries and what this means ❤
I’ve never understood why I have such intense Plutonian experiences. I seem to live a very 8th house existence yet I have NOTHING in my 8th house and I only have outer planet Uranus in Scorpio. I do have my moon and mars in the 12th but everything you described about the 8th (from the holding on to repressed trauma to the sexual side of things to the deaths of so many loved ones and people I’ve known who should not have died as they did) I also attract many Scorpio’s and 1st house Pluto people or sun or moon Pluto people. I feel unusual in this way - not having any of the signatures.
Thank you for sharing. I find this often but you have 12th house planets. There seems to be a connection of the patterns, similar experiences and feelings with both these houses. 12th house people resonate with 8th house energy and vice versa. I think these two houses are connected, very similar and why you resonate :) Moon and Mars in 12th :) This is why I don't include the 4th house in my research, these two houses are very similar expressions
Pluto Moon Mercury conjunction, Sun Psyche Nessus conjunction, and POF in Saggitarius in 12th house. Idk if you feel it you feel it. I am and still I am.
We are of the same Nodes. 😉Depending on the House system my NN is in the 1st or 12th, and both resonate with me. Neptune is right there also. When I got into Astrology and accepted that I had a Scorpio rising it was the answer to my lifelong fascination with death and everything metaphysical. When I was about 10, I asked my church school teacher about death and was told I was to young to worry about that. A very unsatisfactory answer. 😆 Thank you so much for your work and this lecture. Fantastic! 💛💫Now I’m obsessing over my son’s 8th house planets with Pluto heading its way. 😅
Thank you for sharing your experiences with us ❤ I find so many of us ask these intense life questions about death to others and so many of us are told or to think about these things but it’s natural for us It should be nurtured
@@CarmenTurnerSchott you were so generous with you time, information, and gifts. I subscribed to your channel. I love all the deep. Astrology helped me see ME and forgive/accept myself. It’s my passion. That and the Tarot.
I noticed we looked for planets in the 12th and 8th house to find these patterns. What about the ruler of those houses? I'm a Leo Rising, with Jupiter in Gemini ruling the 8th opposite sun, pluto. And my 12th ruled by the moon in Capricorn conjunct venus and the south node. I also have a saturn in taurus opposition to mercury in scorpio. And my mercury has an exact sextile to my moon. I have always felt like I have been blindly following my destiny, but its always been incredibly difficult. I have no ability to rush anything. Like my 8th house desires have a Queue attached and I can only complete one thing at a time.
Thank you for sharing your gifts, your generous offering, diligent research, dedication, compassion, passion, empathy and real for caring for people, for therapeutic healing solutions that every astrologer should have knowledge of and use during consultations and readings, for the breadth of knowledge. It's all spot on. With 3 planets in Scorpio; Eris, Chiron & Sedna in the 8th; rulers of the 8th & 12th in Scorpio, Jupiter in Pisces, Neptune IC, Pluto train leading the chart, I have all those "talents" in spades which make me the kind of astrologer anyone can and does confide the most difficult, dark, and supernatural experiences. I've found myself using charts as the oracle to clarisentiently channel most readings, down to the names of parents and death details. I have routinely since childhood prepared friends, family, and yes bosses for approaching deaths. Otherworldly experiences are routine as everything is transparent, all information readily available by sight, sound, name, and even scent.
Thank you for sharing this and for your kind words ❤ Your gifts are amazing and I understand what your saying - we love this energy daily it’s a part of our lives and preparing others for death and change and connecting with deeper spiritual information to help others is your gift ❤
@@CarmenTurnerSchott Thank you for your generosity and contribution to our field. I completely agree ( as I see we have similar charts, close in age, same angles and some placements), that people do love us or hate us as we are sooth-sayers - literal truth tellers, and that is too much for some to look at, let alone digest. We are like a torch in the dark, it is our job to illuminate. 🕯🔥
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For those questioning the Houses, this webinar has a modern take that is widely known as the "Twelve Letter Alphabet", or "Archetypes". In our fundamentals program, we take a more traditional approach (no Twelve Letter Alphabet, and traditional planetary rulers) to teaching students about astrology. We do, however, expose students to modern techniques and concepts.
Kepler College has a "big tent" and we are open to varying points of view, philosophies, and techniques. It is up to the students which path they choose to take. 🙂
"THE MYSTIC SWIMS 🏊♀️ IN THE SAME WATERS 💧
THE CRAZY PERSON DROWNS IN"
-An EXCELLENT 8th / 12th house quote 🎉😊
Thank you for the excellent job on this video
I really do like that quote ❤😊
Thank you for Carmen, thank you Carmen for volunteering to come into this world and live the answers to share authentically. Such a precious gift.
Scorpios are tough, can withstand a lot. For a fixed sign, it’s a gift.
I'm only halfway through this, Carmen. But it's a total relief to hear you tell these stories that resonate so deeply. The sharing of the stories helps so much... all these secrets and all this strangeness we experience! I can't thank you enough for the work you're doing. I've never heard such an open and touching talk on these difficult matters. I'm going to go look for your channel now. Thanks a million, Carmen. You are very much appreciated. Sending you love and hugs from Ireland💕🌊
Awe thank you so much for your sweet words! I love Ireland so much and traveled there several times when I lived in Germany twice
My grandmothers side is form Ireland I love it there so much
Thank you for sharing and following my work so happy you felt it resonated ❤
Really great interview, most informative rundown on the 8th and 12th house I've ever heard. Thank you.
Robert- Thank you so much this makes me happy
I bought the book immediately on The 12th House and received it the next day and read it easily in a few hours. It was filled with information that felt validating. I loved the added testimonies at the end of the book. Thank you for this webinar!
Thank you so much for sharing and for reading my book ❤ greatly appreciate you hoping the webinar
As 12th house sun
I had so much anxiety and fear over hurting others as a child it lead into huge issues .
Even negative thought of others was bad and that I was a bad person because i couldnt get the thoughts out of my head.
It lead to substance abuse when younger to escape ( moon opp nep 😂)
I am a practicing astrologer and this was so refreshing reminding me of many things in my own nature.
I spend alot of time working with others and often forget my own energy/issues 😂.
Escapism in bad ways until learning meditation 🧘♂️ it saved my life 😊
Thank you so much for sharing ❤ I feel same way
Helping others but I need to continue to heal my own issues ❤
As an 8th houser I feel the resilience comes in part from going through the hard times, and facing the darker sides of life. You build confidence and trust in yourself that you can handle anything. Just like how any challenge we go through can ultimately make us stronger. If you have strong 8th house it can feel like your experiencing more of these challenges than the avg person perhaps.
I agree ❤ it’s so true
Yes I totally agree. I was born in the early 80s and looking back on my whole life I somehow always had strength to make it through the toughest times. I have Capricorn sun, Sag moon and Pisces rising and a stelli on the 8th house. I am a very imaginative person but at the same time a realist. I’m not the type to wear rose colored glasses but I know things will be ok. Anytime I feel anxiety in stressful situations I remind myself that worry is misuse of imagination so instead of visual positive scenarios and I am able to overcome the anxiety and think clearly and even recently had some stressful situations but everything worked out even better than I could imagine. I totally believe in a spirit world and I try to help others overcome grief because unfortunately I have experienced much loss since the year I was born.
I’m still barely midway this episode, and it’s already been so validating and helpful. My entire family has 12H placements, and we can all relate to these descriptions .im so glad to know of Carmen Turner-Schott and her work..
❤Thank you so much for sharing
I've loved listening to this and I will listen again, and probably again. Thank you Carmen, you have given so much of yourself in such a selfless manor. Your knowledge is phenomenal and I could listen to you all day ❤
Thank you for your kind words ❤
I have Pluto in Leo in the 8th conjunct the SN, BML and my Moon. I have psychic gifts, suffered the death of my infant daughter, the loss of my large intestine, a few NDEs and worked as a counselor in hospice and trauma. I also have Mars in Sag in the 12th on my Asc and I became a theologian and astrologer. This is my confirmation of Carmen's teaching.
Shelia thank you so much for sharing your healing journey and your Phoenix story ❤
So sorry for your loss 😢. Blessings & healing to you.🙏
@@serenadevon Thank you for your concern, but the losses were decades ago and the healing gifts, wisdom and compassion that grew as a result part of what I consider the gifts of this incarnation.
@@serenadevon Serena 😇, I want to acknowledge your comment. It takes empathy and compassion to leave the Kind Note (and emojis) you left. I'm 68 1/2 years old and suffered many losses which still hold place and respect within my heart. BLESS your Heart for the offering of healing prayers ❤🙏... You made a Difference in 'me' today: a test of life is 'human relating'. I lift YOU up, in turn. In the Beatitudes, Jesus says that those who Mourn Shall be Comforted. Thank YOU for reaching out, and for walking this earth as the Gentle Being that you Are. -- Psalm 34:18 “The Lord is near to the brokenhearted and saves the crushed in spirit.” Psalm 73:26 “My flesh and my heart faileth: but God is the strength of my heart, and my portion forever.” Matthew 5:4 “Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.” {ref Chatbooks}
@@clairen4584TY! I appreciate your post! Kindness & compassion is so needed in this world today.❤
This was a great webinar. I have 4 traditional planets in the 12th house and one of my kids has 4 traditional planets in the 8th. Much gratitude for this well explained deep dive into these otherwise difficult houses to delineate.
Jodie- Thank you so much for sharing and joining. Thank you for being a 12th house Angel and your child is a Phoenix for sure :)
Agreed-so incredibly grateful for this presentation! I have a Leo 8th house stellium/NN, and my son has an Aquarius 12th house stellium/NN. We both have Neptune in the 12H. This was incredibly helpful & validating. My progressed Scorpio moon will move in to my Sag 12th at the end of the month. During its 2.5 years in Scorpio was when my son was diagnosed with ASD as well as depression/anxiety & seemingly overnight retreated from his formerly socially active life. I had to quit my job to give him full time care. Many other painful losses have occurred during this time. Thank you so much for your work, I plan on adding your books to my library. I am a psychic/astrologer/tarot reader & have been searching for this kind of info for some time!
@@leahrives6746 Thank you for sharing and sending healing and prayers to your son - take care of you too - caring for a loved one is special but also make time for self care 🌹
Dear Carmen, you’re right in the 🎯 I’m one of them with cancer node in the 12th house, aquarius in 8th house …. Î’m blessed because I have been resilient always even walking in the fire or the dark sea, yes this is phoenix’s trip. I called myself Vouivre (water dragon with a red garnet on the ajna forehead)I always felt deeply abandoned by some karmic past life’s events, I was confused about un conditional love, I thought I was there to know all the Colors of love on this planet, I developed my skill’s, talents because I enjoy to learn, to be curious, rebel by playing with paradoxes or strategic and systemic warrior as social worker. I feel also that no one on this earth can stop me to listen to my soul ever, that has been my coherence in our western insane soci. Anyways, dear host, dear Carmen all gratitude for this brillant podcast based on a such quality, such an experience with ethic postures ❤
Thank you for sharing your experiences with us :)
Carmen has such a deep understanding of the 8th and 12th houses. I have Neptune in the 8th and a 12th house stellium and I have told Carmen about my dreams and experiences. It’s just amazing that so many people see these patterns with these placements.
Thank you for sharing ❤
As she with a grand fire trine in the water houses (including a 12th house stellium with my sun conjunct my Chiron, including, too, my Venus, my Mercury [which is conjunct my ASC]), with a series of experiences akin Carmen's, I'm so deeply grateful to have found this video among my recommendations. I felt a shock of recognition in the first moments of watching--so extraordinarily rare for me.
❤Thank you so much for sharing
12H Stellium here ( Moon, Neptune & Uranus) trining Mars in the 8th house. All the 12th house significations resonate so deeply with me; from imagining a bubble around myself because of the overwhelm of the energies around, needing lots of solitude, LOVING silence, feeling like I'm in a constant dream state and in disbelief at times that we are actually alive and having this human experience, to mystical experiences and the list goes on. So many things that can be hard to even explain to others.
Thank you for being a 12th house Angel :) Everything you shared, I understand and felt too. We are not alone.
My Virgo 12th House Moon loved every morsel of this webinar. My soul embraced all that you shared. I too, have lived the experiences, especially the Phoenix and the dream work. Also, I have been a 'Dear Abby' my whole life .... there is just so much that I resonated with here, thank you so very much xo. My books just arrived ... so, on to reading for the rest of the afternoon while I have some 'alone' time. Blessings my dear, you are an Angel.
@Lensdancer Thank you so much for sharing and your kind words. I hope you like the books 🌹❤️ thank you for being a 12th house Angel
I have Libra on the 8th house, stellium with Pluto, Jupiter and Saturn. I have dealt with loss since the year I was born, my grandfather passed away before I turned a year old. I had a close friend I was dating pass away when he was only 21, loss multiple friends under the age of 40 and in 2022 lost my first nephew at 22 years old. There are no words to describe the pain but I have used my life experiences and also study astrology and I read tarot. I do passed on loved one readings for people but I take regular breaks from it because it can be very draining. I have been fascinated with psychic abilities and paranormal since a very young age and I also learned about Edgar Cayce at a young age and was amazed by his abilities. I enjoy studying astrology and it has helped me immensely in understanding myself and others. I appreciate your work and helping others heal through trauma.
🙏🙏🙏 From this stellium in the 12th, this talk is so greatly appreciated. This one had me sitting in silence for awhile. 🙏
Wow thank you for this! Loved your passion as a fellow aries moon & a 12th house stellium person (sun-mercury-jupiter tightly conjunct). Learning astrology I felt afraid and a sense of doom for myself reading all of the 12th house tags of prisons, hospitals, isolation. Finally I found jungian psychology and just understood the 12th house is just the collective unconscious, and 12th housers have a direct connection to it, as if we share a soul membrane with that body of consciousness. I deeply felt when you said "it wasnt love that I was feeling it was their pain and I wanted to help them" ... such a strong pattern with the 12th, also with Neptune square Venus in my chart I think is a similar energy. We are sensitive healers & I believe unless we choose to walk that path as our life mission, we will serve it in our love affairs & suffer from it. Loved your talk & thanks for doing these water houses some real understanding!
This was excellent! It resonated so much. Thank you, Carmen, for all of your generous sharing. 😀🙏
❤Thank you for watching
I'm so relieved to hear this. I have a stellium in the 8th house and Jupiter in my 12th house of Leo. I know that frozen state when there is an evil presence and the energy I pick up is exhausting. I've been teaching myself astrology and tarot and finally the 8th house makes sense I'm not scared now and I'm a Virgo rising also. Thank you😊
Thank you for sharing and watching ❤
This was bloody beautiful thank you..
I’m hearing you speak my life out..
12 th house Pisces ♓️ ☀️ o degrees!!
Aries ♈️ rising 6 degrees ,Aquarius ♒️ moon 4 degrees 11 th house!!
Aries in Chiron…
I listen to astrology to help me stay alive .. due to mental health issues . No one could help me.. let alone understand me ..( Most recently my family turned and walked away after mum died .12 th March..2023 ..
Close to me most of life then the narcissist came out.. shredded my heart .. then the rest of the family started ..
I cared for mum thru cancer ♋️ on my own.. “but it’s was
my fault in the end”
I know it’s not.Coz I gave all my love and support till I had none at all.
That’s a feeling way bigger than empty..
so much I could ad to this..so Cool!!!)
All these dates have been so full on .. I don’t understand it all but I feel it..
Thank you for sharing with us and I’m sorry to hear about your mum- your an Angel for caring for her it’s never easy on family to care for someone who is sick - my grandfather took care of my grandma for a long time she had Alzheimer’s
Thank you for watching the webinar
*Sun, Mars, mercury 8th house cancer.
*Moon, Saturn, Pluto 12th house scorpio.
Currently 39 years old and my goodness it’s been a full life of spirituality, transformation and change.
i love carmen so much! she has helped me heal immensely. i have dealt with almost all of these experiences- cap 8h stellium sun mercury venus mars neptune and uranus. pluto and jupiter in scorpio. SN in the 12h ♥️
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@@CarmenTurnerSchott omg crying rn 😭 keep up the amazing work! it means so much to so many ♥️♥️♥️
@@laurenmarieroman thank you so much that means the world to me 🌹❤️
This is great to inow! My highly regenerative Dad had almost all planets in his 8th house in Aquarius. He did not want me to show him his chart. He was a miracle since birth, surviving all kinds of physical challenges and overcoming them. He had an extraordinary attitude and will, living a highly active, interactive, successful and beautiful, long life! He was a joy to be with and influenced many in huge ways. Naturally psychic ... never wanted to talk about it. He was a natural in business, too. He was the best Dad! A rare man in the best ways.
Thank you for sharing your story with us :)
Incredible work Carmen! Thank you so much for sharing*
Thank you Sylvia for your kind words.
Loved your presentation Carmen! Was so good. Thank you! 🙏 I'm definitely both a phoenix & an angel and I've deeply felt most of these indicators for my entire life. I have venus in aries in 8th house opposite pluto. 29 degree Scorpio Full Moon conjunct IC & uranus in scorpio. SN in Pisces in 7th square neptune.& 12th house Black moon lilith.
Would love to hear your take on Black Moon Lilith in 12th!
thanks Kepler College! Loving your channel.
Thank you for sharing :)
Damn where Carmen been at?? Good to see her still at it ❤
You did this wonderfully, as wonderful and mysterious the 8th and 12th house are.
Thank you :)
This is amazing! 12th house Jupiter, 8th house Neptune, stellium in 6th house. Luckily, no alcohol addictions!🙏 Yes so many times I wondered why I am here. My nephew has Jupiter in 8th house & Sagittarius rising. His name is Phoenix.💕 TY for this lovely & informative video!
Thank you for watching and sharing. Yes no alcohol addiction for me, but food... :)
Fantastic podcast! Thank you.
Thank you so happy you enjoyed it 😊
The best webinar on the 8th and 12th!!!!!
Thank you so much
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I've got Sun and Venus in 12th house, with mutual reception to the 8th. Carmen is hitting many nails right on the head!
I am a Virgo 12th Houser (with a stellium in my 12th). I bought your book about the 12th House and enjoyed reading it. It’s one of my favorite Astrological books. I was excited to hear you speak today.
Thank you so much for being a 12th house Angel and for reading my book. I am happy you liked it :)
I appreciate this webinar- sun Venus south node 8th - eclipse baby) (opposite Pluto on north node 2nd)
Saturn in Leo in 12th-
With a fire trine 8th/ 12th w Neptune in 4th….
Out of all the years of “formal “ training with gifted well versed talented long time astrologers it perhaps takes someone with real life experience to give a voice to these houses- my soul appreciates this-talk thank you
I appreciate your kind words- my mission is to teach astrology on a simple and practical level so everyone can understand and love it ❤
@@CarmenTurnerSchott I’m comfortable with my 8th house- so much so that I’ve been a “death doula” and assisted in the dying process with others… I’ve already gotten on your waiting list for a consultation as- your words “not comfortable with comfort “- wow! Those words hit home… so I’m excited with how you can assist me with the “not death process “ a little bit more… thank you so much for sharing your valuable insights again and I look forward to a personal consultation in 2024💫🌱💜
@@klichtblauschierts9743 thank you so much ❤️ I’ll be reaching out soon
Look forward to meeting you
Thank You Carmen and Kepler personel. Ive kind of tried to move living with 1st h virgo Sun, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn, but its pretty obvious the 1st three always in some sense stay in the 12th. North Node in leo would move in 12th with whole sign, so its really one and the same. Having fun with 8th h profection year, with ruler in scorpio, new Moon conjunct Uranus square nodes. Gorgeous times. Stay blessed.
Thank you for sharing - I just finished my 12th house perfection year
It can be an intense time and those 8th house patterns can come up and influence things
The 12th house is my favorite house
@@CarmenTurnerSchott Thank You for your kind work with healing people. Im coming to conclusion I heal energy in locations. Neptune conjunct Ic in sag, and solar return chart now has Asc conjunct those. And Moon in 0° aries that I feel to be important sign of some rebirth. Lunations have aspected natal Moon & Mars(they share quincunx) and next Full Moon conjunct natal. Also so many 20° placements that they have been triggered. Ive done meticulous work with my charts ( virgo 1st h stellium 😄) and it is so beautiful to see how they mirror each other. I do feel like a mirrorball around other people, currently its not ok, and I stay in meditative solitude as much as possible. Besides, universe supports that.
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This is so good. excellent work.
Thank you ❤
Thank you so much for sharing this with the world! It feels nice to know that we are not alone! As a 12th Sun and Mercury (whole sign) , I can totally relate to everything you have shared. The ruler of my 12th is in the 12th too. I have also switched to Placidus and I have Pluto and South Node in the 8th.
I have premonitions happening to me, discovered a family secret. I am someone who has always been interested in the spiritual world, always has been different from others. Sagittarius Sun in the 12th whole sign, made me leave my country of origin, France and established myself in Australia. I went to ashrams, learned astrology, tarot, practice daily yoga, tried different religion establishments. I have always believed and experienced signs after someone’s passing and definitely need solitude!!! I feel that I have been a nun in a past life or that there was abuse. Sexuality is a big issue!
Thank you for sharing your experiences with us :)
Thank you for sharing- your a Phoenix and an Angel ❤
I am a Pisces with Neptune in the 8th house; north node and Chiron in the 12th. I can relate to all you say! The unseen is very familiar...seen with the 3rd eye, felt, known, etc. Reiki, reading energy....
Thank you for sharing :)
Thank you Carmen!
I’m Sun and Venus in 8th,
Moon in 12,
Saturn and mars in 4th,
INTENSE🌹
Would love a description of Capricorn in the 12th
That is me, too.
WOW!! This was so good! Can you do every other house?? I loved how she explained everything and shared some examples.
Thank you so much ❤ I’m working to do a workshop class with a few dates not just one day after the first of the year with Kepler
Keep an eye out ❤
8th house sun in Aries, Pluto and the Moon in Leo 12th house. So much of this resonates deeply. Grew up in a home where I was physically abused to the point of broken teeth and broken bones. (Mars opposition Saturn.) At age 17, my boyfriend disappeared. His mother would answer the phone and simply say he wasn't home when I asked about him. A year later, I was a passenger in a car when the news story on the radio said his body had been found on the bluffs behind his family home overlooking Lake Michigan. He had died of a drug overdose. Several of my high school friends died in the Vietnam war. In my 20s, a casual boyfriend committed suicide. My mother died when I was 19.
I got chills when Carmen said many 8th house people have dreams of being in a coffin. Yup! That dream occurred about a year before I moved to the West Coast from the Midwest where I grew up. I did take the dream literally when it occurred (I was suicidal myself), but in retrospect, realized that it was about me ending my life with my abusive family and moving away where I could begin to put the pieces of my life back together.
I had several relationships that involved physical violence. I'm definitely psychic, do energy work and I'm an artist...Now, at age 70, I've found peace with myself and with those around me. I'm hoping this is my last incarnation. Planet earth is a tough "school".
Thank you for sharing your experiences with me ❤
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!!!❤️❤️❤️
Carmen I have Jupiter in Virgo in my 12th house & my south node is in my 8th house in ehukchmi have Taurus. The north node is in Scorpio in my second house. God & the Angels Bless you always!!!🙏🌈🌻🌹
Thank you for sharing ❤
So enjoy the program!! I can relate so much !!❤❤ Thank you so much
Thank you ❤
Jupiter and Chiron in 8th house Cancer and Pluto 12th house Scorpio. My life challenges are all about family, relationships and finance. I've surrendered to accept myself and give forgiveness to everyone to heal myself and grow. Trusting in the universe management. I notice everything's changing to better and better, it's like rebirth power. I'm so grateful for myself right here and right now. 💛
Lovely and I like to meet others with Jupiter and Chiron in 8th
I think this Jupiter helps us see the bright side and growth we have been through and appreciate the transformations once we heal from them
Thank you for sharing ❤
Wow, this was fantastic! I have a very similar chart to Carmen’s so hearing some of her experiences as a 12th house Sun (etc) in Virgo was extremely helpful and validating- it’s been quite the journey for me! The explanations on the betrayal theme gave me loads of food for thought- thank you🙏💖!! Just signed up for the class in March.
Thank you so much for sharing! It's nice to meet another Sun Virgo 12th houser :) I am excited to have you in the class! :)
thank you! I have read both your books on the 12th house and I am considering your upcoming Kepler class. What information will be shared that is not already covered in your books?
Thanks again!
Thank you for sharing. ❤ I just saw this
In the class we dig deeper into these patterns and energies
Thank you for this wonderful webinar 🤗.
I do not have any planet in 8th or 12th, but I can relate to the subject. The ruler of 8th is on my Asc, Moon & Mercury are in Scorpio.
My clients are usually with strong Pluto placements, or highly sensitive persons.
Thank you, this webinar was very helpful💞
Thank you for sharing - all that Scorpio energy is definitely Phoenix energy
Appreciate the work you do ❤
I've loved this talk so much ,being an 8th house and 12th house placements ,I've just ordered your book of Amazon UK ,this talk felt like a personal reading, thankyou Carmen❤😊
Thank you so much for your kind words, sharing your experience and for supporting my writing ❤
Wow. Wow, wow, wow. Fellow therapist. Starting EMDR training this year. Abuse survivor. 8th and 9th house stellium, Jupiter in 12th house, the “guardian angel.” AND Pluto in 1st house. Saturn and NN together in 8th house (Aries), both at the same degree. Vesta at 29 degrees 7th house (Pisces), right behind Chiron 1st degree 8th house. Brother attempted suicide (survived). Dreams. And more I haven’t even mentioned. People coming up and pouring out their life stories…my (Scorpio) husband’s witnessed this firsthand. All of this is the truth. Wounded healer is right. We’re in the same tribe. ❤️
Thank you so much for sharing your journey and so happy you found it helpful ❤
Thank you! 12th Houser, read your articles & book, STILL learned so much more here!
Thank you so much ❤
Amazing I am loving this whole video. 12 house Scorpio with Jupiter there. Sagittarius rising 8th house cancer with my north node there. I’m a dreamer my father killed him self when I was 5. Been through a lot. I have in the past few years really diving into dream work and life purpose. I know I am a natural astrologer and love how healing it has been for me I love helping people learn their charts. Are you doing chart readings? Do you have classes we can join?
@christalynnpenovaroff8920 thank you for sharing. I am not doing consults right now due to a large waitlist. I do have a Kepler class in March all about the 8th and 12th, more of a deep dive.
Ju,Ma,NN in 8H leo,cap asc here.Ur,Me,Ne in scorpio 11H,12H sag sun😊(according to vedic astrology)Special educaionist by profession.Reiki master(Usui,5D Quantum Healing,Holifire),NLP,EFT&TPT practioner,tarot reader,learning vedic astrology.thank u for sharing such profound knowledge❤
❤Thank you for sharing 😊
Mars in Pisces-ruled 12th in Aries. Had a Kundalini awakening. Also have the occasional psychic dream. Also have had hidden enemies, usually Aries types or Scorpio moons. Nothing in 8.
Ohh my god...thank you for this 12 house video...yes, I feel like I'm not from this world...yes, too much feeling..🙏 thank you
Thank you for being a 12th House Angel ❤
I have Pluto in Scorpio in the fourth house, and i have had a very similar experience to what you describe about 8th house people, although my 8th house is “empty” in all except whole sign system, where Jupiter is found there in Pisces. It’s funny, because my entire life i have related so deeply to Plutonic and Scorpionic energy, which i attribute to my Pluto placement. While Pluto is a generational planet, i think the placement of him in any of the water houses makes our experience with Pluto much more personal! Great webinar. Thank you for sharing your experience and wisdom with us, helping to illuminate these very mysterious houses! 🔥
Thank you for sharing and for your kind words. I see this experience of what you shared with Pluto in those water houses for sureZ so many people with natal Pluto in 4th will experience and share with me those patterns we discussed it validates their life experience
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I have Mars and Saturn in Scorpio in the 2nd and no planets in the 8th - I understand Trauma. My Moon is in the 12th in Virgo, I love it there! I definitely feel what you say. And .... your Phoenix and Angels book is arriving today, I can't wait!! I also ordered your Moon Sign book and the Mysteries of the 8th and 12th houses, Fallen Angels. I'm very excited to deep dive into your wisdom. I've been practicing and taking courses as a counselling Astrologer over the past 10 years, this is wonderful!! As Astrologers we never stop learning. My Pluto in Leo is in the 11th house so I'm relating to everything you are sharing. Thank you, Carmen, from my heart. I look forward to learning more about my Virgo 12th house Moon. xoxo
@Lensdancer thank you so much for sharing and your kind words. Hugs to you and appreciate you supporting my books.
I love this lady❤ my 12th house is full in a few house systems. Koch - 4, placidus - 7, equal - 3.
Thank you so much Carmen! Wow! Your explanation of the 8th house is spot on for me!! I have Uranus and North node in Leo 8H and yes, I have experienced many of the same things my entire life! I am extra sensitive to energy also, as a child I could see many things at night (nothing I could specifically identify, but feel). I was extremely terrified of the dark! I want to be a Rieke healer!
Thank you for sharing and so happy it resonated with you. You would be a perfect Reiki healer and feel energy easily
@@CarmenTurnerSchott Thank you❤my angel messenger! I have been having an increasing desire to learn Reiki, and now I feel you confirmed this for me🥰 I am so excited! Thank you!!!
Oooooo just spoke about me and all my experiences totally freaked right now in a good way .., 12 house moon
12 house Saturn
12 house Taurus
Mid haven empty
This was an incredible presentation! Thank you I’ve been looking gift information on the 8th (my Saturn square my sun and moon t square) and (12th Pluto in Virgo on my asc 29degrees) Where would I find the slides for this, please and the links for the facebook groups. 🙏
Thank you so much and for joining ❤
Thank you so much for this powerful lecture Carmen! I loved this so much. I can definitely relate to everything you have talked about! Mars in the 8th ruling the 5th and 12th, I have experienced many early deaths, spirits and trauma. This feels very validating and oddly comforting. Thank you so much for sharing this. 🙏
Thank you so much for your kind words. I am so happy you found it helpful - thank you for sharing with us
A really interesting topic ✨ I noticed that the 12th and 8th houses were associated with Pisces and Scorpio in this video. This seems to be a popular school of thought, Is there a video on the reasoning of why/how houses correspond to specific signs of the zodiac?
It's a modern concept where each sign is associated with a house and they go in chronological order from Aries (the first sign/house) to Pisces (12th sign/house)
Not sure if I understand your question correctly, but the houses always follow the same order of Aries 1H, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio 8H, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius and Pisces 12H.
@pixiee970 I really don't understand why modern astrology associates houses with zodiac signs. Some similarities...maybe, but extracting information for interpreting the house as a zodiac sign is just a very unclear interpretation. They are two distinct topics.
@@rzvn_alexandru I agree.
What a generous gesture from you! A very informative full lecture 🌸💗 Thank you . I never thought I would understand myself more 8th house Venus+ ketu in Pisces ♓️ I feel 8 and 12th house energy! grateful for you 💗
Awe thank you so much for your kind words ❤ so happy you found it validating
I feel seen! My sun, Jupiter and Mercury are in Pisces in the 12th house, moon conjunct Pluto in Scorpio in the 8th house. The rest of my chart is in fire and earth signs (rising sign, north node and Mars in Aries in the 1st; Uranus and Saturn in Sagittarius in the 9th; Venus conjunct Neptune in Capricorn in the 10th). I used to be a social worker but couldn't handle it. Now I'm training to be a hairdresser and studying the esoteric. I've felt connected to the mystical and spiritual realms my whole life. I incorporate healing, transformation, advocacy, empowerment, and collective solidarity through my creative expression.
Thank you for sharing ❤ Social work is a high burnout field
I think doing astrology has always helped me as of o was just normal social work it would be very hard
Burn out has happened to me too
We have to do what brings us joy ❤
Thank you! I strongly resonate with your presentation and am now following your TH-cam channel and will check out your books!
@@rebellerevelle Thank you so much! I find Jupiter in 12th is like a guardian Angel protection
It protects - I wish I had more time for the 12th house and stories so much to fit in 🌹
Great video on this! I have a lot of 8th house while my mom and an ex have a lot of 12th house. Astrology has been helpful to understand us better. I will say, having a more loaded 8th house, my experience hasn't really been death, in fact I don't really even think about it much or have experienced a ton of loss. Only lost a grandmother and an uncle, however I felt peace. I am interested a lot in esoteric themes and I have a heavy 3rd house as well, (Scorpio rising) for more context. I understand death on a different level which makes me feel comfortable with it. I think on a personal level, 8th house in my experience could be about teaching about death later as I mature and evolve more. I also experience a lot of death of life of what I know of it and myself metaphorically. I can barely catch my breath of how to be, because I'm already on a new path of rebirth of a new cell of myself. My changes happen in micro tears constantly but when I look over in a year, the changes are huge. Last couple of years, I've gone through a lot of grief with really doing a lot of healing work of my childhood and the trauma.
Thank you so much for sharing your personal experience with this energy ❤
I have a Pisces 8H, no planets. But people dump on me a lot too. I would go to walk mart like you and get stopped by someone telling me their whole life story. And be there for hours. I finally just started contracting my aura in public to create boundaries. My coworkers tell me a lot of personal info as well. I guess it helps that I’m a psychic tarot reader and astrologer
I have always dissociated since I was a child I still feel like none of this is even real.
Thank you for sharing :)
Thank you for sharing your experience with these energy patterns.
That was so interesting, validating and giving hope! I relate to a lot of that, yet I only have my Part of Fortune in the 12th house. I wonder if the Part of Fortune can have so much influence in someone's chart?
Thank you for sharing ❤ I feel they do- I have Part of Fortune in the 8th house and feel this helps me and has brought blessings in this area of life
Have you found any relationship between lunar transits to these points and experiences?
North node, Vertex, Vesta in Leo in 8th house,...and in placidus also Mars in Libra in 8th...Kinda all about that depth, truth, transformation, rebirth.
Thank you for this, listening 😊❤💙🙏😇
Gosh, to sit an have tea with you. Was raised Baptist and finally after a decade almost of my own experience that's led me here, and I finally signed up for my first class. The release I felt when I signed up was incredible.
Sun and Merc in 12( ruled by cancer Leo sun, cancer merc, Jupiter in Pisces in 8th)( house is also ruled by pisces, and my moon(Aries) and North node(Aries) are ninth also ruled by pisces. I feel coded for something huge in this arena but I have a Pluto complex and tons of retrogrades. It's taking a while and I just want to get to know the mission and go!!! Im just in tears. So much of this hit straight to the core. I think i need to work with you....... Im on tears listening yo this i dont underatand. Thank you ❤
( Felt led to leave this comment)
Oh and Pluto on the nadir.... Ic on the cusp of 3/4.
Thank you for sharing :) Astrology is an incredibly powerful tool. Have a wonderful time in class :)
Thank you for this. Mars Pluto Jupiter and Vesta in the 8th. Node in the 12th. Psychic awareness and Resilience - so true.
Thank you for sharing ❤
Omg you sound like you have a very similar chart to mine. Thank you so much for seeing me and giving me some validation.
It would be so amazing to have a conversation with you. I am double Virgo sun in 12 th in placidus and Scorpio north node, also Pluto conjunct mercury, mars and Venus Libra in
So then you may be or have experienced the triple progression into Scorpio. I have that coming in May
I can not imagine what a triple Scorpio progressed with mars in progressed Scorpio already and the natal NN conjunct Uranus.
Thank you so much for sharing ❤ greatly appreciate it and we do have many similarities
Wonderful talk I now understand …I have Venus in the 12th house and Mars in the eighth and Neptune on the ascendant it’s all making much more sense why I went through what I did …thank you🙏💕
Thank you so much for sharing ❤ I’m happy you felt validated
So good ..am Pluto ASC South node Aries 8th mmm yes ...similar virgo rising .... it's good to hear you talk this ...yes not many people can or want to share this stuff...thank you ❤
Thank you for listening and appreciate your kind words ❤
Thank you 😘💕💖😇
Lord have mercy!...lol.... yes ..yes ..yes to everything, to the T. Even spirit/entity at foot of bed. Moon in Capricorn in the 12th, Sun, Pluto, Mars and Juno in 8th in Libra! Excellent presentation. Thank you!!!
Thank you so much for sharing your personal experience with these patterns ❤
In a Venus and Sun in Taurus 12th. Mars conjunct neptune in capricon 8th house. Jupiter pisces. Moon pluto scorpio guy and I can see the spirit world too. Entities, negative and more high vibing ones when I meditate/close my eyes. The deceased father of my sisters boyfriend recently visited me and I had to act as a medium (for the first time in my life) and convey a message for my sister. I can relate to this speaker on a deep level
Wow the Phoenix part hits deep. Ive had a spiritual rebirth like a Phoenix and am now learning astrology to be a better counsellor/healer as well.
Thank you for sharing your experiences.
I have my taurus NN in the 12th and Lilith. Although not my sun I resonate strongly with all you have said!
Thank you for sharing ❤
Hi Carmen I watched your video yesterday you said to post it in the comments section and I greatly enjoyed it. Moon in Scorpio 8th and Sun and Pisces and Mercury in the 12th..😃😀😄
Thank you so much for watching and sharing. Your a Phoenix and an Angel :) 😃
But talking about the 8th which I resonate a lot, you can also count the houses as they are starting Aries 1st house, and then Scorpio 8th house where I have, Chiron, Lilith, MC in Scorpio...And with Pluto Moon conjunction in 12th, man its tooouhh...That is two water rulling planets of Cancer and Scorpio in a water house - 12th house. They say dont complain, I say do whatever you feel, you want . What do you think ?
You have a very cute voice Carmen…something I didn’t know by being in your Facebook group. Just thought I’d let you know that pertinent information.
😊 thank you
Lots ring true... I have a Capricorn mars in the 8th, and a stellium in the 12th. Had major terror episodes as a child about dying...
Thank you for sharing
I have Mars in my 8th in Cancer and Lot of Fortune in 8th in Gemini (dad's sun sign), and when I was 17, my dad was electrocuted at home. My little sister and I were then left a trust fund. North node, Uranus in 12th in Scorpio too.
I’m so sorry to hear this and thank you so much for sharing your personal experience with this energy ❤
I just wonder, what do you think och the modern astrological notion of 12th house = Pisces and that Neptune has dethroned Jupiter as the ruler . I am now feeling liberated by the restoration of Jupiter by young Hellenistic astrologers. I now have ditched the new rulers in favour of the traditional rulers. Now it all make sense! What do you think?
I am an 8th house person and my youngest daughter is a 12th house person. My parents really did a number on me and the focus of my life is to heal so I don’t cause my children pain and suffering. My youngest has her moon, north node, and Uranus in Taurus in the 12th. Anyone have any advice on how to best support and parent her?
Thank you so much for sharing ❤ your doing all the right things teach her to trust her intuition and inner voice and to have boundaries and what this means ❤
I’ve never understood why I have such intense Plutonian experiences. I seem to live a very 8th house existence yet I have NOTHING in my 8th house and I only have outer planet Uranus in Scorpio.
I do have my moon and mars in the 12th but everything you described about the 8th (from the holding on to repressed trauma to the sexual side of things to the deaths of so many loved ones and people I’ve known who should not have died as they did)
I also attract many Scorpio’s and 1st house Pluto people or sun or moon Pluto people.
I feel unusual in this way - not having any of the signatures.
Thank you for sharing. I find this often but you have 12th house planets. There seems to be a connection of the patterns, similar experiences and feelings with both these houses. 12th house people resonate with 8th house energy and vice versa. I think these two houses are connected, very similar and why you resonate :) Moon and Mars in 12th :) This is why I don't include the 4th house in my research, these two houses are very similar expressions
In the dream. A person can also undo ↩️ something as well.
I had a similar experience when I was 17 years old. I have my SUN and Jupiter in my 12th house.
Thank you so much for sharing ❤
you are welcome. I will connect with you later there is so much to talk about and to share.@@CarmenTurnerSchott
Pluto Moon Mercury conjunction, Sun Psyche Nessus conjunction, and POF in Saggitarius in 12th house. Idk if you feel it you feel it. I am and still I am.
🤔Could Venus in the 12th house be an indicator of hidden female enemies? Thank you for this wonderful presentation!
❤I have experienced that in my opinion yes
I hear same from many Venus in 12th housers
@@CarmenTurnerSchott Oh, Carmen, thank you so much for this feedback. It certainly explains some experiences I've had in my life.🤍✨️
We are of the same Nodes. 😉Depending on the House system my NN is in the 1st or 12th, and both resonate with me. Neptune is right there also. When I got into Astrology and accepted that I had a Scorpio rising it was the answer to my lifelong fascination with death and everything metaphysical. When I was about 10, I asked my church school teacher about death and was told I was to young to worry about that. A very unsatisfactory answer. 😆
Thank you so much for your work and this lecture. Fantastic! 💛💫Now I’m obsessing over my son’s 8th house planets with Pluto heading its way. 😅
Thank you for sharing your experiences with us ❤ I find so many of us ask these intense life questions about death to others and so many of us are told or to think about these things but it’s natural for us
It should be nurtured
@@CarmenTurnerSchott you were so generous with you time, information, and gifts. I subscribed to your channel.
I love all the deep. Astrology helped me see ME and forgive/accept myself. It’s my passion. That and the Tarot.
@@juleofthetarot Thank you so much for sharing and I love the connection with tarot and astrology 🌹❤️
I noticed we looked for planets in the 12th and 8th house to find these patterns. What about the ruler of those houses? I'm a Leo Rising, with Jupiter in Gemini ruling the 8th opposite sun, pluto. And my 12th ruled by the moon in Capricorn conjunct venus and the south node. I also have a saturn in taurus opposition to mercury in scorpio. And my mercury has an exact sextile to my moon. I have always felt like I have been blindly following my destiny, but its always been incredibly difficult. I have no ability to rush anything. Like my 8th house desires have a Queue attached and I can only complete one thing at a time.
The rulers are important too and those energies and patterns can be felt in those areas of life
Thank you for sharing your gifts, your generous offering, diligent research, dedication, compassion, passion, empathy and real for caring for people, for therapeutic healing solutions that every astrologer should have knowledge of and use during consultations and readings, for the breadth of knowledge. It's all spot on. With 3 planets in Scorpio; Eris, Chiron & Sedna in the 8th; rulers of the 8th & 12th in Scorpio, Jupiter in Pisces, Neptune IC, Pluto train leading the chart, I have all those "talents" in spades which make me the kind of astrologer anyone can and does confide the most difficult, dark, and supernatural experiences. I've found myself using charts as the oracle to clarisentiently channel most readings, down to the names of parents and death details. I have routinely since childhood prepared friends, family, and yes bosses for approaching deaths. Otherworldly experiences are routine as everything is transparent, all information readily available by sight, sound, name, and even scent.
Thank you for sharing this and for your kind words ❤
Your gifts are amazing and I understand what your saying - we love this energy daily it’s a part of our lives and preparing others for death and change and connecting with deeper spiritual information to help others is your gift ❤
@@CarmenTurnerSchott Thank you for your generosity and contribution to our field. I completely agree ( as I see we have similar charts, close in age, same angles and some placements), that people do love us or hate us as we are sooth-sayers - literal truth tellers, and that is too much for some to look at, let alone digest. We are like a torch in the dark, it is our job to illuminate. 🕯🔥
@@user-js4sb4qq2h Thabk you so much for sharing! I love this! 🌹❤️
Thank You