I have heard or read that one of the Boston sportswriters really disliked Williams and left him off the ballot, although I don't know if this is true, but the MVP voting should not depend on this.
Williams used to tip his cap after home runs, but when the sports writers somehow went after him, he stopped doing it. He should've won at least two MVP awards and maybe more if he hadn't missed those years because of military service.
It should be near automatic, but not automatic. What if a pitcher wins 30 games in the same year? But if you do win the triple crown, you should expect safely that you will also be MVP. And yes, the Ted Williams snuff is criminal.
Back when Hugh Duffy hit .438 or .440, walks counted as base hits. No so anymore. Note: batting averages are expressed as, "four twenty-six," "four forty," etc.
Good baseball is far more than just hitting. In fact players perform far more in the field than they do at bat. They play every inning in the field but only about half the innings of a game on offense. Fielding is also more strenuous & athletically challenging than hitting. Players who are great 2-way (off & def) players at key defensive positions (2B, SS & C) are more valuable than those who are just great at offense. That's the reason why the incomparable Charlie Gehringer finished in the top 10 in MVP voting for 10 consecutive qualified seasons (477 PA) which was only matched by 4 other players in MLB history. Those 4 others all played either 1B or OF while Gehringer played 2B as well as any other player ever has & of course, was also a great offensive player. Another thing that Gehringer was all-time top level at was bare minimum negative play (SO, GiDP, Errors, missing games). I favor 2-way playing in MLB over just offense or just defense & especially not ignoring negative play which is done all the time now.
Maybe create a Most Outstanding Player to go along with Most Valuable Player. Not necessarily the same thing. For instance, Andre Dawson won MVP for a last place team in 1987. Do the Cardinals win that year without Ozzie Smith?
No. The award is for the Most Valuable Player, not Offensive Player of the Year. When Cabrera won it, the analytics said that another player (Trout?) was the more valuable all-around player.
I think it’s going to be difficult because batting average is probably the hardest one to get for the Triple Crown. Now, he’s doing great this year and hit over .300 in 2022, but there are other players that are better built for leading the league in batting average. This is one of the reason why more than 90% of Triple Crown contenders get the Homerun lead, get the RBI lead, but can’t get the batting average lead
@@JonWebb-s3b he hit over 500 home runs, is the last man to hit .400, and would probably have 600 home runs if not for 5 years of his prime being taken from him for service during wars. It doesn’t matter how bitter the relationship is, numbers don’t lie. And he also has the career reaching base safely streak too.
Stats don’t always matter to the voters. Ted Williams lost 2 MVP’s he probably should have won (especially 1941) partly due to his personality. Fast forward 44 years and Albert Belle beat Mo Vaughn it hits, runs scored, extra base hits, home runs, on base %, WAR and they tied in rbi’s. Indians had better record than Red Sox and Belle played a tougher position defensively than Vaughn. But Vaughn was charismatic and charming. Belle was irascible and mean. MVP went to Vaughn. What a joke!
Biggest crime was that Ted Williams twice won the triple crown and both of these years he did NOT win the MVP!
Ted Williams was a player who didn't endear himself with sportswriters. In fact, some sportswriters refused to vote for Williams out of sheer spite.
I have heard or read that one of the Boston sportswriters really disliked Williams and left him off the ballot, although I don't know if this is true, but the MVP voting should not depend on this.
@@garymorris1856 Unfortunately, it does.
Williams used to tip his cap after home runs, but when the sports writers somehow went after him, he stopped doing it. He should've won at least two MVP awards and maybe more if he hadn't missed those years because of military service.
@soyouthinkyouknowbaseball Williams did win two MVP awards. He should have won at least two or three more.
It should be near automatic, but not automatic. What if a pitcher wins 30 games in the same year? But if you do win the triple crown, you should expect safely that you will also be MVP. And yes, the Ted Williams snuff is criminal.
I remember the time Cabrera and Trout were the two best players for a couple of seasons. The discussions then were heated.
Miguel Cabrera's stats are wrong. He had 44 HR, 139 RBI, and .330 BA. He's being shown with Frank Robinson's stats.
Lou Gehrig hot .363 with 49 HRs and 165 RBI and finished 5th in the MVP? Jeez.
Wrong stats for Cabrera!
Back when Hugh Duffy hit .438 or .440, walks counted as base hits. No so anymore. Note: batting averages are expressed as, "four twenty-six," "four forty," etc.
I vote for Secretariat
Good baseball is far more than just hitting. In fact players perform far more in the field than they do at bat. They play every inning in the field but only about half the innings of a game on offense. Fielding is also more strenuous & athletically challenging than hitting. Players who are great 2-way (off & def) players at key defensive positions (2B, SS & C) are more valuable than those who are just great at offense. That's the reason why the incomparable Charlie Gehringer finished in the top 10 in MVP voting for 10 consecutive qualified seasons (477 PA) which was only matched by 4 other players in MLB history. Those 4 others all played either 1B or OF while Gehringer played 2B as well as any other player ever has & of course, was also a great offensive player. Another thing that Gehringer was all-time top level at was bare minimum negative play (SO, GiDP, Errors, missing games). I favor 2-way playing in MLB over just offense or just defense & especially not ignoring negative play which is done all the time now.
Maybe create a Most Outstanding Player to go along with Most Valuable Player. Not necessarily the same thing. For instance, Andre Dawson won MVP for a last place team in 1987. Do the Cardinals win that year without Ozzie Smith?
Next possible Triple Crown winner: Aaron Judge.
You think so?
Strikes out too much.
@@johnfitzpatrick3094 Maybe, but if he can keep the average up there. Maybe.
@@davids9520 Hoping. Why not?
Yes. I believe he will.
No, not automatically, it still needs to be voted on.
No. The award is for the Most Valuable Player, not Offensive Player of the Year. When Cabrera won it, the analytics said that another player (Trout?) was the more valuable all-around player.
Yes, in 2013 Cabrera won the MVP over Trout. Trout led the majors with an 8.9 WAR while Cabrera was 5th with 7.5.
Hell yes it's just so hard to do.
WAR has no place in this discussion or any baseball discussion, it a phantom stat.
I agree 100%. It has no meaning.
Miggy didn't hit 49 dingers, I believe it was 44
Aaron Judge will win a Triple Crown in his career
I think it’s going to be difficult because batting average is probably the hardest one to get for the Triple Crown. Now, he’s doing great this year and hit over .300 in 2022, but there are other players that are better built for leading the league in batting average. This is one of the reason why more than 90% of Triple Crown contenders get the Homerun lead, get the RBI lead, but can’t get the batting average lead
Judge strikes out too much.
Hell yes
Williams, last man to hit .400, didn’t win MVP.
Yes, Williams probably could've won at least three more MVP awards.
There should one mvp, cy young, Roy, etc.,
No
Mickey Mantle hit 54 home runs in his triple crown year
Mickey Mantle hit 52 home runs in 1956 for the triple crown. Mantle hit 54 in 1961 when he was racing with Roger Maris for the home run title.
I’m surprised the media elected Ted Williams into the Hall of Fame.
@@blackmamba5034 you’re correct, brother! I swear, I remembered that 5 seconds after I sent you that. Good for you for putting me in my place.
@@JonWebb-s3b he hit over 500 home runs, is the last man to hit .400, and would probably have 600 home runs if not for 5 years of his prime being taken from him for service during wars. It doesn’t matter how bitter the relationship is, numbers don’t lie. And he also has the career reaching base safely streak too.
@@JohnBaranich-wv6ot I was being sarcastic.
Baseball with AI narration sucks. Stop it.
Stats don’t always matter to the voters. Ted Williams lost 2 MVP’s he probably should have won (especially 1941) partly due to his personality. Fast forward 44 years and Albert Belle beat Mo Vaughn it hits, runs scored, extra base hits, home runs, on base %, WAR and they tied in rbi’s. Indians had better record than Red Sox and Belle played a tougher position defensively than Vaughn. But Vaughn was charismatic and charming. Belle was irascible and mean. MVP went to Vaughn. What a joke!
Yes, Belle was definitely the better player that year. But he was aloof and the voters didn't like him so they awarded the MVP to another guy.