Before anyone ask. Based on this video, you should field - 5 unit of skirmish ashigaru ( 3 archer, 2 gunner) - 9-11 unit of spear ashigaru - 1 commander - 1-3 yari samurai - 2 yari calvary In shogun 2
One thing about Warfare that people often forget is that People during that time can Organize and need to be flexible as there's isn't someone with a Camera flying around the battlefield sending orders. 160 men of full on Archer or Crossbow Regiments are not that common since getting them mixed with other soldier types is far more effective to deal with the change of battle which cannot be seen through a camera flying across the battlefield. Basically if Total War were to be more accurate Velites would never be their own unit as historically the Velites imbed themself into Hastati and Principes Maniples, giving the Heavy Infantry a flexible force of Skirmishers.
This video misinterprets the samurai class. Samurai for the most part weren't nobles. You can actually visit samurai city districts and villages that were made up of samurai. The reason you don't see them in media often though is because they're protected spaces often closed to the public. Samurai was an very mobile class that people were moving in and out of constantly. The US population with its veterans is only 2% of the US, yet we see servicemen and veterans all the time. In 1600s Japan, it was almost 5%-10%. Lower class samurai were also known to drop out of the class to become farmers or other individual pursuits. And if anyone wants to weeb out, you can watch videos on samurai dairies on TH-cam and find this information on Britanica or other sources online.
@@ashina2146 No flying camera and gods eye view of the battlefield? Orders carried out immediately? The battles weren’t 5-20 minutes long? You don’t say….. It’s not forgotten. If TW had accurate battles it wouldn’t be as popular. Hours for one battle, days in some cases. Not to mention months and years of sieges.
@@EthanWilliams-ru1gd what do you mean it's always been a "Press E" then slash game... 😭😭😭 It's bread and butter has always been playing the underdog in history why it has great interest.
Takeda Katsuyori: NOOOOOO you can't just mow down my elite cavalry samurai which trained their entire life on warfare like that. Oda Nobunaga: HAHAHA farmer with boom stick go bang bang bang.
technically he isn't a farmer anymore, he's a soldier in nobunaga army, Oda Nobunaga tried to implement a non-samurai but professional soldier class that removes themselves from the seasonal farming breaks, he allows farmers to just stay in farms, and hires their extra sons to join Nobunaga's army
Noo me elite soldier cannot be beaten hehe me poor soldier just beat your soldier This Trope is getting old after you know that most of these poorly trained soldiers are often more trained and even veterans in many ways, from the English Longbows in Agincourt who would be made up of Yeoman Freeman to the Ashigaru and Samurai Arquebusiers in Nagashino who not only out numbers the Takeda Cavalry but also recently fought against the Ikko Ikki especially the Saika Ikki who are expert gunners.
@@ashina2146 In fairness the units you mentioned are exceptional *because* they were trained and experienced. Still, they are technically actually poor compared to their lords most of the time. They may have been experienced and battle-hardened, but it's much like a farmer surviving multiple battles but still being a farmer and thus not very rich. In any case I think you missed the point of the meme. It shows how the march of weapons technology alongside social change generally outlives traditional reliance on older forms of combat.
One guy (the Ubisoft director of subscriptions) said that gamers "should get comfortable with the idea of not owning thier games". Yeah, no shit this guy would say that... It's kinda his only job... But Ubisoft as a whole probably won't fully pivot to a purely subscription-based payment system any time in the near future. That being said, don't I actually think that Ubisoft+ is a bad idea. I personally don't care about leagally owning a game because I only care about the enjoyment I have and the friends and memories I make while playing it. So at least for me, paying $8/mo or $60/yr to play most of Ubisoft's catalogue doesn't sound like a bad deal if I have enough free time to make it worthwhile. My biggest issue is that I buy the premium versions of most games because I'm a sucker and Ubisoft+ premium is like over double the price of the basic plan.
PLEASE make a video on how a historical battle such as Kawanakajima or Sekigahara would have actually looked like with these formations. Would be awesome.
That was very, very good. It's an unusual way of doing things, from a European perspective, but it must have worked. It's also why wargames involving Japanese armies often don't feel right, especially on the tabletop, against non-Japanese opponents..
I'd be happy with a game that really allowed sonae level combat at least against the Joseon or the Ming. Killer Katanas has a Imjin war supplement, but the ruleset is dated and doesn't really represent sonae and higher organization levels that well either.
@@InvictaHistory Agreed. Now I want to see a Sonoe vs one of the Compagnie d'ordonnance or a Roman Cohort. Speaking of the former, do you think you might feature them on the channel at some point?
@@InvictaHistory Ah, but the problems start when you try to simulate all those tiny little sub units of different weapons and skill levels in a 1000 man strong grouping, against something like a Spanish Tercio. I've played games matching circa 1600 Samurai vs 1630's Swedish and the differences just don't appear, because the rules were written for forces where a regiment of about 1000 strong is basically Pike, Shot, and maybe a few Swordsmen thrown in, but in massed ranks 8 deep. So... you can't really simulate that against a Sonae, unless you abstract all the differences out anyway. Whihc is a pity.
@@davidribeiro1064 Samurai warfare is really hard to do well, especially against other military systems. Black Powder and Pike and Shotte can come close, especially if you have a "regiment" for the Japanese equalling a Sonae, but with different stats or special rules to represent the mix of sub units- like giving the Takeda a charge bonus to simulate their cavalry, or the Oda a defensive bonus to represent their Ashigaru and those long spears. But then Black Powder et al abstracts a lot out anyway, so there goes the period feel.
That would be a story of Miyamoto Musashi then. He was an Ashigaru in his teens during the Battle of Sekigahara - for the losing army of the west that is, so no glory at that time, nothing but fleeing the battle while being chased around. But Nah, I'd like for a Zohyo Monogatari telling the story of a sonae like Band of Brothers.
Well, the Sengoku period lasted a long time so you could say many different European battle formations and tactics were practiced in that period. I'd say by 1600 the Spanish Tercio was more popular.
@@TheSlamburger The closest event to what you mention is the Battles of Cagayan, where the Spanish Tercios, under the command of Captain Juan Pablo de Carrión, with the help of Filipino and Tlaxcalteca warriors, fought against Japanese (wokou), Chinese and Korean pirates in 1582. The wokou, led by Tay Fusa, were defeated in a decisive victory by the Spanish and their allies in June of that same year, consolidating Spanish control in the region.
A truly fascinating video. Very easy to forget how "modern" the Sengoku Jidae was, but this really puts that aspect into context. The comparison to the Napoleonic Corp D'armée was particularly astute.
amazing video for giving a “jumping off point” for conceptualizing how armies of this period worked. I do think giving idealized examples work really well cause it gives you a good base to infer how other armies under certain restrictions and advantages would look. maybe they had less footmen available in a certain battle but mire horsemen, or the army was depleted from prior engagements. Or they didnt have support from some lords. whatever it is, offering a base like this gives you a really nice point of reference for getting a general picture of those more situational eventualities. Id love more videos like this for other places and periods! like high medieval western europe.
長柄槍足軽 or pike ashigaru didn't usually "stab" at the enemies. They rather "stroke" down the enemies pushing the pikes down from above repeatedly. Many Japanese series or movies feature this unique usage of pikes.
Looking at European pike drill from the early modern period there is a clear "stroke" element to them, especially when fighting other infantry and "fenching" with their pikes. It's understandable that this was even more common in Japan, as Japanese pikes tended to be shorter but with heavier and more complex heads.
I highly recommend checking out The Shogunate and the channels that he advertises if you want to go and read up about the details of samurai and pre-modern Japan. It can really change your outlook on everything. Love the video!
I'm interested with the earlier samurai history, Kamakura and Muromachi samurais were main mounted horse archers, not much combined arms like Sengoku Jidai
When you see "Shi" in Japanese it's pronounced like we pronounce "she." When you see "o" it's pronounced like the name of the letter. Bushi should be "Boo-She" Ashigaru should be "Ah-She-garu" The Ko in Koku should be like the Co in Coke. You guys do a lot of work on research and present great work, but I might suggest getting some consultation on pronunciation, especially for the languages that are still spoken today.
WOW! Just WOW! Thank you for this video! There is so much dis-information out there. I always thought how could they present as such intelligent people, yet their battle tactics seemed so rudimentary? Everything you discussed made so much more sense than what we are show in traditional media.
I love this video! I just so happened to have watched and read "Shogun", and I was searching for material on the army organization of the period! You have described a small army of a single Daimyo here. We know that in the large battles of the Sengoku or early Edo period, like the decisive Battle of Sekigahara, armies were around 100,000 strong. How were these armies organised?
Although the european lance was fully mounted; this one I don't know. Also, lances did form into big cavalry units, while these ones form small combined arms subunits.
@@alessandronavone6731 while the european lance had more a lot more horses, it was not entirely mounted. Rather, between 1/3 to 2/3 of the lance would have been mounted. Charles the Bold's lances for instances included mounded one knight, one squire, and one page, and on foot one pikeman, one gunner, and one crossbowman. As well, three "archers" were mounted infantry, in other words travel mounted but fight dismounted. These would later evolve into light cavalry (though confusingly keeping the name "archer").
@@ParallelPain Kind of agree, but Charles' lance was a very particular, almost experimental type of lance, much different from the mainstream elsewhere, which also lasted for a very brief period of time. The German lance, the French lance and the Italian lance were all entirely mounted, and only the French one had a component, the "archers", that could maybe be classified as mounted infantry (but I hesitate here, because from what I remember they could also very well act as lighter cavalry). For the most part, in European late medieval and early renaissance warfare cavalry and infantry acted as separate components, and the cavalry one was very significant.
Imagine hollywood using these facts to make movie. The entertainment and story telling possibly are endless without the ridiculousness of embellishment
Great video (as always tbh). I had no idea how complex and elaborate the structure and command system of japanese armies of this period was. I can't help but to think that it was maybe too elaborate but that's just my opinion. Either way, It must have been a spectacle to see whole armies of tens of thousands of men, fighting in this manner.
Fantastic video!! Would absolutely love to see this level of investigation applied on Xerxes' army during the 2nd Persian war. The sheer scale and variety would be amazing to see.
I wanted to extend my heartfelt thanks for the release of your new video "True Size of a Samurai Army [c. 1600] 3D DOCUMENTARY". The topic is absolutely fascinating, and you’ve tackled it with an incredible depth of content. Your 3D approach really helps in visualizing and understanding the scale and complexity of the samurai armies of that era. Keep up the fantastic work, it's always a pleasure to watch your videos!
I am a 12 year old kid that dreams of being a historian. Love your work Invicta. Can you guys do WWII German Africa Corps true size. Question: can you tell me what animation software you use. Learning animations right now.
I think Ian from forgotten weapons have also discussed how the teppo Is meant to be braced next to the face rather than around shoulder like conventional guns, quite interesting
Definitely agree with acting as a well informed consumer prior to any purchase. We also plan to do some history tours in game so that will be another way to get some more insight.
Watching Invicta made me realize I wanted to put out value-driven content out to the world. So I started this channel and turned 90h of strenuous work into my first animated story just the other day. Keep inspiring, Invicta!
Could you guys possibly cover the true scale of Alexander the Great’s army? From his start in Greece to his forces in India. It could be a very interesting video(s).
For me the AC Shadows is the worst nightmare, as an Asian with love for Japanese history and culture, it's just disappointing to see a non-Japanese main character. They have so many well known ninjas/shinobis such as Hanzo, and yet.
i mean ac games arent historical theyre historical fiction with heavy " on historical, theyve always been like this take ac3 for exapmle(+ they need the money to make these high quality docus so get over it lol)
Bloody great video man as always, however I would have thought a man of your calibre (as it relates to historical accuracy) would've rejected your sponsorship for Assasins Creed which has become a historically innacurate post-modernist nightmare.
Pretty good stuff, but I think an important detail is left out that the feudal armies of Japan tend to be commanded in their own mobilized groups. As in, an army consisting of troops from 10 different lords, will be commanded as 10 units if the army each under its own lord for command. Which is why feudal Japan didn't really have cavalry as a field unit. Not that they didn't know how to fight on horses -- but that you're not going to see stuff like "infantry at the center, cavalry at left and right" type of formations in Japan. Instead, in most battle maps with the OOB, you get the names of the lords, instead of which troop type.
The organization of mixed types of old and new equipment is I think a result of generalization than actual organization as it has to take into account decades of evolving militaries.
A samurai was not a commoner but held a rank of nobility, albeit lower. For example, in 1212, Hojo Yoshitoki was appointed as the equivalent of a baron, and in 1578, Oda Nobunaga was appointed as the equivalent of a marquis by the imperial court. Well, for a foreigner, I think you did a pretty good job researching this. 03:27
There are even more battlefield specialties that could’ve been discoursed on in this video: soldiers armed with the Nsginata, for example, If they couldn’t manage spear training, or the similar Nagamaki or other heavy weapons, if they couldn’t manage THAT. There were also, from what I understand, Ashigaru simply trained to use swords. What is more (and as I’m sure we all suspect), the role of espionage and irregular warfare could make for a video unto itself. For despite the stylized “ninja” stereotype of black-clad secret societies, this aspect of war was actually quite broad-based, vague in description, and heavily integrated with military operations, ninjutsu-trained samurai being not only a reality, but quite common among the lower ranks.
I´ve often read Late Sengoku Jidai armies were probably as good, if not better, at combined arms warfare as their European contemporaries were. Watching this, it´s interesting to see how the Japanese arrived at the same ideas as Europeans, independently. What was a Tercio, if not a mixed unit of spearmen and skirmishers, followed by cavalry? Even the semi-independent structure of the Sonae ressembles Tercio deployment. The biggest and I´d say most important distinction between the two civilizations is the presence of artillery. Baring that, they´d give each other a run for their money in the battlefield.
Thanks! This episode was particularly tough given how complex and contradictory accounts of Japanese armies of the era could be. It's even harder if you just rely on English sources so we were lucky to be helped by a grad student in Tokyo who helped us translate the original records.
@@InvictaHistorywhich speaks volumes to the accuracy and quality of the video. Hold your head high guys (the entire team who worked on it) This is a bookmark in Western documentary telling of the topic
I think its more to balance the game, if the bow units had lesser range - it would simply just nullify the usage of any bow units compared to gunners. There is a reason why the gun replaced the bow but I think its also to show the reliability problems in early muskets.
Yeah I can't speak to the hidtoricity of how they will be treating the characters and their stories in game. However from past titles I can say that the environments are usually quite spot on and make for great history tours.
Sure the evinronments are spot on, but i can bet it will be full of wokewashing historical facts and behaviours by "modern standarts" as we usually expect from these kind of people
@@InvictaHistoryis this possible for you to make such similar video on Indian army (medieval), also Great content 👍 people usually think battle is about strength and braveness but it is also about logistic and strategy , happy to see you covered it.
I have a few questions. Did independent factions like the Ikko Ikki and the Iga Ikki follow the military formations and composition displayed on the video or did they have an entirely different army organisation? Did they have a cohesive military structure and if so, who did they heed to? Did they segregate units out of social rank or did they fight in the same unit despite of their position? And finally did these independent groups have their own social hierarchy or did they follow no such system but still holds a commanding structure? Would love to know, to the creators and any one who is experienced with this sort of thing, thanks in advance!
really appreciate your work, especially your respect and strive for historical accuracy. Too bad the same cannot be said for the sponsor of this video.
I hope you guys one day do the true size of the Napoleonic Armies of the 1813 German campaigns. I have a particular interest in Walmoden's Russian Prussian Army and the Danish Corps that engaged it frequently in North Germany as one of my ancestors was part of the Danish army in the time 🙂
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Before anyone ask. Based on this video, you should field
- 5 unit of skirmish ashigaru ( 3 archer, 2 gunner)
- 9-11 unit of spear ashigaru
- 1 commander
- 1-3 yari samurai
- 2 yari calvary
In shogun 2
Yea. Sound valid
Based strategy
I'd replace the yari samurai to long yari ashigaru for more yarimazing
@@demasathallah Nobuhide would be pleased
that's usually what my early armies look like. They I start replacing ashigaru units with more samurai as the quality of troops improves.
So you're telling me....
Playing Shogun 2 on "low" unit settings is more likely to represent an actual Japanese army than playing on "ultra?"
Where's the fun in that? RP? Same for ToB, it just looks better with larger numbers
If you could have 70-80 units per army instead of 20, yeah.
One thing about Warfare that people often forget is that People during that time can Organize and need to be flexible as there's isn't someone with a Camera flying around the battlefield sending orders.
160 men of full on Archer or Crossbow Regiments are not that common since getting them mixed with other soldier types is far more effective to deal with the change of battle which cannot be seen through a camera flying across the battlefield.
Basically if Total War were to be more accurate Velites would never be their own unit as historically the Velites imbed themself into Hastati and Principes Maniples, giving the Heavy Infantry a flexible force of Skirmishers.
This video misinterprets the samurai class. Samurai for the most part weren't nobles. You can actually visit samurai city districts and villages that were made up of samurai. The reason you don't see them in media often though is because they're protected spaces often closed to the public.
Samurai was an very mobile class that people were moving in and out of constantly. The US population with its veterans is only 2% of the US, yet we see servicemen and veterans all the time. In 1600s Japan, it was almost 5%-10%. Lower class samurai were also known to drop out of the class to become farmers or other individual pursuits.
And if anyone wants to weeb out, you can watch videos on samurai dairies on TH-cam and find this information on Britanica or other sources online.
@@ashina2146
No flying camera and gods eye view of the battlefield? Orders carried out immediately? The battles weren’t 5-20 minutes long? You don’t say…..
It’s not forgotten. If TW had accurate battles it wouldn’t be as popular. Hours for one battle, days in some cases. Not to mention months and years of sieges.
those shogun 2 icons are timeless!!
Ubisoft's money is better spent on this channel than on their games.
Sour lemon
This irony is not lost on me.
Business daddy gonna ride you and you gonna take it all day everyday 😂😂😂😂
Agreed. The AC series is nothing more then a cheap hack and slash for idiots now.
@@EthanWilliams-ru1gd what do you mean it's always been a "Press E" then slash game... 😭😭😭 It's bread and butter has always been playing the underdog in history why it has great interest.
Takeda Katsuyori: NOOOOOO you can't just mow down my elite cavalry samurai which trained their entire life on warfare like that.
Oda Nobunaga: HAHAHA farmer with boom stick go bang bang bang.
technically he isn't a farmer anymore, he's a soldier in nobunaga army, Oda Nobunaga tried to implement a non-samurai but professional soldier class that removes themselves from the seasonal farming breaks, he allows farmers to just stay in farms, and hires their extra sons to join Nobunaga's army
Also Oda Nobunaga: "Now that I have won, nobody can have guns anymore."
Noo me elite soldier cannot be beaten
hehe me poor soldier just beat your soldier
This Trope is getting old after you know that most of these poorly trained soldiers are often more trained and even veterans in many ways, from the English Longbows in Agincourt who would be made up of Yeoman Freeman to the Ashigaru and Samurai Arquebusiers in Nagashino who not only out numbers the Takeda Cavalry but also recently fought against the Ikko Ikki especially the Saika Ikki who are expert gunners.
@@ashina2146 In fairness the units you mentioned are exceptional *because* they were trained and experienced. Still, they are technically actually poor compared to their lords most of the time. They may have been experienced and battle-hardened, but it's much like a farmer surviving multiple battles but still being a farmer and thus not very rich.
In any case I think you missed the point of the meme. It shows how the march of weapons technology alongside social change generally outlives traditional reliance on older forms of combat.
Actually it's said that their army comps were of the same proportions, but Nobunaga had more ammo and of better quality.
Remember, don’t buy Ubisoft games because they don’t think that you should own something you have bought.
One guy (the Ubisoft director of subscriptions) said that gamers "should get comfortable with the idea of not owning thier games".
Yeah, no shit this guy would say that... It's kinda his only job... But Ubisoft as a whole probably won't fully pivot to a purely subscription-based payment system any time in the near future.
That being said, don't I actually think that Ubisoft+ is a bad idea. I personally don't care about leagally owning a game because I only care about the enjoyment I have and the friends and memories I make while playing it. So at least for me, paying $8/mo or $60/yr to play most of Ubisoft's catalogue doesn't sound like a bad deal if I have enough free time to make it worthwhile.
My biggest issue is that I buy the premium versions of most games because I'm a sucker and Ubisoft+ premium is like over double the price of the basic plan.
You can’t stop me from playing as Yusuke 😤
@@D1RTYBACON What does that have to do with BUYING Ubisoft games?
@@leoghigu slopgoblins gunna slopgoblin
@@I-am-Hrut I'll wait for it to come on Steam for cheap.
PLEASE make a video on how a historical battle such as Kawanakajima or Sekigahara would have actually looked like with these formations.
Would be awesome.
Yeah I really wanna see the tactics used
That was very, very good. It's an unusual way of doing things, from a European perspective, but it must have worked. It's also why wargames involving Japanese armies often don't feel right, especially on the tabletop, against non-Japanese opponents..
I'd love to see some wargaming match ups between Samurai and Europeans. Must be a cool contrast to experience.
I'd be happy with a game that really allowed sonae level combat at least against the Joseon or the Ming. Killer Katanas has a Imjin war supplement, but the ruleset is dated and doesn't really represent sonae and higher organization levels that well either.
@@InvictaHistory Agreed. Now I want to see a Sonoe vs one of the Compagnie d'ordonnance or a Roman Cohort. Speaking of the former, do you think you might feature them on the channel at some point?
@@InvictaHistory Ah, but the problems start when you try to simulate all those tiny little sub units of different weapons and skill levels in a 1000 man strong grouping, against something like a Spanish Tercio. I've played games matching circa 1600 Samurai vs 1630's Swedish and the differences just don't appear, because the rules were written for forces where a regiment of about 1000 strong is basically Pike, Shot, and maybe a few Swordsmen thrown in, but in massed ranks 8 deep. So... you can't really simulate that against a Sonae, unless you abstract all the differences out anyway. Whihc is a pity.
@@davidribeiro1064 Samurai warfare is really hard to do well, especially against other military systems. Black Powder and Pike and Shotte can come close, especially if you have a "regiment" for the Japanese equalling a Sonae, but with different stats or special rules to represent the mix of sub units- like giving the Takeda a charge bonus to simulate their cavalry, or the Oda a defensive bonus to represent their Ashigaru and those long spears. But then Black Powder et al abstracts a lot out anyway, so there goes the period feel.
Everyone loves samurai armor, but ashigaru troops had such a great look.
They should make a movie about a lone ashigaru kicking ass and taking names.
toyotomi hideyoshi used to be sandal bearer ashigaru (one of the lowest rank of ashigaru) for Oda Nobunaga before actually rise into a samurai rank
I would like to see a ashigaru movie and it would also be cool to see a Heideyoshi movie in the west.
A lone ashigaru can’t do anything
In masses formations though they could go toe to toe with samurai, but on their own a samurai would cut them up
Then they should make a movie about Hideyoshi toyotomi
That would be a story of Miyamoto Musashi then. He was an Ashigaru in his teens during the Battle of Sekigahara - for the losing army of the west that is, so no glory at that time, nothing but fleeing the battle while being chased around.
But Nah, I'd like for a Zohyo Monogatari telling the story of a sonae like Band of Brothers.
Its crazy to think the Sengoku Jidai was at the same time of the Landsknechts
Well, the Sengoku period lasted a long time so you could say many different European battle formations and tactics were practiced in that period. I'd say by 1600 the Spanish Tercio was more popular.
That would be a fight to see, wouldn’t it?
@@TheSlamburger The closest event to what you mention is the Battles of Cagayan, where the Spanish Tercios, under the command of Captain Juan Pablo de Carrión, with the help of Filipino and Tlaxcalteca warriors, fought against Japanese (wokou), Chinese and Korean pirates in 1582. The wokou, led by Tay Fusa, were defeated in a decisive victory by the Spanish and their allies in June of that same year, consolidating Spanish control in the region.
@andreascovano7742 World apart, yet warfare still dominated by very long pointy stick. As is should be.
Ubisoft will sponsor guys like this but won't take their advice lol
😂😂😂 so true.
A truly fascinating video. Very easy to forget how "modern" the Sengoku Jidae was, but this really puts that aspect into context.
The comparison to the Napoleonic Corp D'armée was particularly astute.
amazing video for giving a “jumping off point” for conceptualizing how armies of this period worked.
I do think giving idealized examples work really well cause it gives you a good base to infer how other armies under certain restrictions and advantages would look. maybe they had less footmen available in a certain battle but mire horsemen, or the army was depleted from prior engagements. Or they didnt have support from some lords. whatever it is, offering a base like this gives you a really nice point of reference for getting a general picture of those more situational eventualities.
Id love more videos like this for other places and periods! like high medieval western europe.
Oh, Debussy, I love Debussy! Sometimes all I can think about is Debussy.
Always finish on the Bach....never od Debussy
長柄槍足軽 or pike ashigaru didn't usually "stab" at the enemies. They rather "stroke" down the enemies pushing the pikes down from above repeatedly. Many Japanese series or movies feature this unique usage of pikes.
Looking at European pike drill from the early modern period there is a clear "stroke" element to them, especially when fighting other infantry and "fenching" with their pikes. It's understandable that this was even more common in Japan, as Japanese pikes tended to be shorter but with heavier and more complex heads.
Hears "Bussy": 🤨
Sees "Bushi": Ohhh, ok
bro..........
Brain rot
in my head throughout the video: MY LOHD!!!! OUR ENEMIES ARE FLEEING!!!!
I highly recommend checking out The Shogunate and the channels that he advertises if you want to go and read up about the details of samurai and pre-modern Japan. It can really change your outlook on everything. Love the video!
I'm interested with the earlier samurai history, Kamakura and Muromachi samurais were main mounted horse archers, not much combined arms like Sengoku Jidai
@@tertmade9769shogunate covers a bit of that too. He also collabs with channels that do deep covers of early Japanese history
I cant stand his cringe voiceover, i’d rather read hundreds pages of books
When you see "Shi" in Japanese it's pronounced like we pronounce "she." When you see "o" it's pronounced like the name of the letter.
Bushi should be "Boo-She"
Ashigaru should be "Ah-She-garu"
The Ko in Koku should be like the Co in Coke.
You guys do a lot of work on research and present great work, but I might suggest getting some consultation on pronunciation, especially for the languages that are still spoken today.
Remember NO preorders, plz do not promote that game
Why not...?
@@NobleKorhedronIt's Ubisoft. Enough said.
What game @JohanNo111...?
the usage of the Shogun 2 unit cards made me re-install the game
Ubisoft can sponsor anyone they want, im still not buying...
WOW! Just WOW! Thank you for this video!
There is so much dis-information out there. I always thought how could they present as such intelligent people, yet their battle tactics seemed so rudimentary? Everything you discussed made so much more sense than what we are show in traditional media.
I love this video! I just so happened to have watched and read "Shogun", and I was searching for material on the army organization of the period!
You have described a small army of a single Daimyo here. We know that in the large battles of the Sengoku or early Edo period, like the decisive Battle of Sekigahara, armies were around 100,000 strong. How were these armies organised?
So samurai retainers were like a medieval lance, where every knight came to war with several archers and men at arms in tow
Although the european lance was fully mounted; this one I don't know. Also, lances did form into big cavalry units, while these ones form small combined arms subunits.
@@alessandronavone6731 while the european lance had more a lot more horses, it was not entirely mounted. Rather, between 1/3 to 2/3 of the lance would have been mounted. Charles the Bold's lances for instances included mounded one knight, one squire, and one page, and on foot one pikeman, one gunner, and one crossbowman. As well, three "archers" were mounted infantry, in other words travel mounted but fight dismounted. These would later evolve into light cavalry (though confusingly keeping the name "archer").
@@ParallelPain Kind of agree, but Charles' lance was a very particular, almost experimental type of lance, much different from the mainstream elsewhere, which also lasted for a very brief period of time. The German lance, the French lance and the Italian lance were all entirely mounted, and only the French one had a component, the "archers", that could maybe be classified as mounted infantry (but I hesitate here, because from what I remember they could also very well act as lighter cavalry). For the most part, in European late medieval and early renaissance warfare cavalry and infantry acted as separate components, and the cavalry one was very significant.
Loving the ammount of Samurai stuff we've been getting lately.
Ubisoft sponsoring a historic video in an attempt to generate buzz for their game is lowkey hilarious
I finished Shogun over the weekend and now this video is out. Everything is trying to get me to sit down and play Shogun 2 again.
Imagine hollywood using these facts to make movie. The entertainment and story telling possibly are endless without the ridiculousness of embellishment
Watch the Japanese movie 'Sekigahara'. It shows a lot of the things discussed here more realistically. 'Ten To Chi To' is another recommendation.
@slimlowjack awesome thank ya!
3:23 the rise of the bussy!
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@@theamorphousflatsch2699 Ikr. Then ya got shows like Blue Eyed Samurai where they just had to ruin Mizu's perfectly good bussy for the "plot", smh.
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9:38 Assigaru
Great video (as always tbh). I had no idea how complex and elaborate the structure and command system of japanese armies of this period was. I can't help but to think that it was maybe too elaborate but that's just my opinion. Either way, It must have been a spectacle to see whole armies of tens of thousands of men, fighting in this manner.
Fantastic video!! Would absolutely love to see this level of investigation applied on Xerxes' army during the 2nd Persian war. The sheer scale and variety would be amazing to see.
I would kill for a sharpe style series centred around an ashigaru.
A very interesting video and a unique approach you find rarely in documentaries.
I wanted to extend my heartfelt thanks for the release of your new video "True Size of a Samurai Army [c. 1600] 3D DOCUMENTARY". The topic is absolutely fascinating, and you’ve tackled it with an incredible depth of content. Your 3D approach really helps in visualizing and understanding the scale and complexity of the samurai armies of that era. Keep up the fantastic work, it's always a pleasure to watch your videos!
I am a 12 year old kid that dreams of being a historian. Love your work Invicta. Can you guys do WWII German Africa Corps true size.
Question: can you tell me what animation software you use. Learning animations right now.
Will you make an episode on the armies of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth?
I'm not super familiar with their system at all. Any teasers on what we would be looking at? (I'd love to by the way)
@@InvictaHistorywell you could feature the polish winged hussar in the “units of history” videos. ( not the warhammer one tho)
@@InvictaHistory you can Reach out to professor Sikora
@@InvictaHistorywhat about medieval armies using Lance fournie Squads
Awesome content. Which software do you use to generate these videos? Please tell.
I thought it was gon be a long week, until Invicta dropped this bad boy! Yesterday!
Brilliant Video. It is interesting how all over the world the same kind of flexible army organisation developed.
If i wasn't already a follower, the intro would have bought me.
I will not preorder that trash game but I love that you’re getting big sponsors.
Better use for their money, that's for damn sure.
I think Ian from forgotten weapons have also discussed how the teppo Is meant to be braced next to the face rather than around shoulder like conventional guns, quite interesting
Good video but please please don't pre order any Ubisoft title.
Wait a few months then read the reviews.
Definitely agree with acting as a well informed consumer prior to any purchase. We also plan to do some history tours in game so that will be another way to get some more insight.
@@InvictaHistory I look forward to it 😊
Just incredible. Thanks for sharing
Watching Invicta made me realize I wanted to put out value-driven content out to the world. So I started this channel and turned 90h of strenuous work into my first animated story just the other day. Keep inspiring, Invicta!
Could you guys possibly cover the true scale of Alexander the Great’s army? From his start in Greece to his forces in India. It could be a very interesting video(s).
I would think they would go on to cover many ancient, medieval and fantasy army comps. But yes a Macedonian one would be near the top of my list too.
For me the AC Shadows is the worst nightmare, as an Asian with love for Japanese history and culture, it's just disappointing to see a non-Japanese main character. They have so many well known ninjas/shinobis such as Hanzo, and yet.
Nah man I think I'm passing on the Ubisoft plug
Ghosts of Tsushima honors the history and culture better lmao
i mean ac games arent historical theyre historical fiction with heavy " on historical, theyve always been like this take ac3 for exapmle(+ they need the money to make these high quality docus so get over it lol)
@@dozenbuzzard2662 If they know its fictional then why do they keep insisting the black man was a fully-fledged samurai in real life? lol
Could never imagine how much carnage a full melee war would leave behind. Warfare was a different breed then.
I Love this narrator's voice intense yet subtle
Very nicely put. It is understandable, yet still detailed.
The sponsor aged like milk, not the ad by the Invicta team, but Shadows. The implosion that game is causing lolololololol
There is very little "historical" about any assassin's creed game.
Thank you for these most excellently crafted videos
Just found this channel this morning. Loving it!
Bloody great video man as always, however I would have thought a man of your calibre (as it relates to historical accuracy) would've rejected your sponsorship for Assasins Creed which has become a historically innacurate post-modernist nightmare.
I've been waiting for this Chanel to talk about samurai, please do it again later
Till Weber's books on the subject are a great read and I highly recommend them to anyone interested.
Very nice, i like these videos, well researched and ever entertaining.
Terrific work! I love these "True Size" videos. 🗾🏯⛩
Pretty good stuff, but I think an important detail is left out that the feudal armies of Japan tend to be commanded in their own mobilized groups. As in, an army consisting of troops from 10 different lords, will be commanded as 10 units if the army each under its own lord for command. Which is why feudal Japan didn't really have cavalry as a field unit. Not that they didn't know how to fight on horses -- but that you're not going to see stuff like "infantry at the center, cavalry at left and right" type of formations in Japan. Instead, in most battle maps with the OOB, you get the names of the lords, instead of which troop type.
My favorite series on this channel!
The nuances are what I come for. There is no joke. Perhaps a pun, not intended.
Based on the date, would this apply for Sekigahara; or is it too early?
I find samurai armies to be quite sophisticated and flexible.
And diverse, apparently.
I love it. this video need a 1 million views. Keep it up! can't wait for the next video. you got a new sub.
Thank you so much for your latest video😆
Oh Bugisoft doing a good use of money for once
Once we start understanding the sonae system, we can see how simple and 1 dimentional total war unit comp is.
The organization of mixed types of old and new equipment is I think a result of generalization than actual organization as it has to take into account decades of evolving militaries.
I hope you do the Tercio at some point
A samurai was not a commoner but held a rank of nobility, albeit lower. For example, in 1212, Hojo Yoshitoki was appointed as the equivalent of a baron, and in 1578, Oda Nobunaga was appointed as the equivalent of a marquis by the imperial court.
Well, for a foreigner, I think you did a pretty good job researching this.
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i think a similar video on medieval chinese armies would be great, though i am unsure of which period would be best
There are even more battlefield specialties that could’ve been discoursed on in this video: soldiers armed with the Nsginata, for example, If they couldn’t manage spear training, or the similar Nagamaki or other heavy weapons, if they couldn’t manage THAT. There were also, from what I understand, Ashigaru simply trained to use swords.
What is more (and as I’m sure we all suspect), the role of espionage and irregular warfare could make for a video unto itself. For despite the stylized “ninja” stereotype of black-clad secret societies, this aspect of war was actually quite broad-based, vague in description, and heavily integrated with military operations, ninjutsu-trained samurai being not only a reality, but quite common among the lower ranks.
I´ve often read Late Sengoku Jidai armies were probably as good, if not better, at combined arms warfare as their European contemporaries were. Watching this, it´s interesting to see how the Japanese arrived at the same ideas as Europeans, independently. What was a Tercio, if not a mixed unit of spearmen and skirmishers, followed by cavalry? Even the semi-independent structure of the Sonae ressembles Tercio deployment. The biggest and I´d say most important distinction between the two civilizations is the presence of artillery. Baring that, they´d give each other a run for their money in the battlefield.
Ubisoft sponsored this? Ew
Yeah, this channel is full of leftoids
You should be happy that a creator you like is getting paid good money lol
They've sponsored tons of videos in the past on this channel. This ain't something new
We wuz samuhrai n shieeet.
Heheh. Yeah
I love these videos so much! Time to play some Shogun
Your work is amazing
Thanks! This episode was particularly tough given how complex and contradictory accounts of Japanese armies of the era could be. It's even harder if you just rely on English sources so we were lucky to be helped by a grad student in Tokyo who helped us translate the original records.
@@InvictaHistorywhich speaks volumes to the accuracy and quality of the video. Hold your head high guys (the entire team who worked on it)
This is a bookmark in Western documentary telling of the topic
Excellent video. Thank you
So why do muskets have a shorter range in shogun 2 if the manuals say their range should be twice as far?
I think its more to balance the game, if the bow units had lesser range - it would simply just nullify the usage of any bow units compared to gunners. There is a reason why the gun replaced the bow but I think its also to show the reliability problems in early muskets.
Me when, me when, me when no Tyranids part 3: 😢
Keep watching. Maybe this is Tyranids vs samurai.
Haha we are working on it but keep in mind it will take a few weeks to finish given how complex those episodes are
@@InvictaHistoryyou’re working on Tyranids vs. samurai?
@@InvictaHistory 😮 I'll be waiting
Yes, Inquisitor, here is the Genestealer Cultist.
Outstanding video - thank you 🙏.
This was a fantastic video!!!
Taking an Ubisoft sponsorship is kinda wild with all the controversy going on with it. But I get it, a channel needs to make money.
Thank you for the really good video 👊🏻
The sponsor is not the best when you talk of trully depicting of the individuals BTW
Yeah I can't speak to the hidtoricity of how they will be treating the characters and their stories in game. However from past titles I can say that the environments are usually quite spot on and make for great history tours.
Sure the evinronments are spot on, but i can bet it will be full of wokewashing historical facts and behaviours by "modern standarts" as we usually expect from these kind of people
@@InvictaHistoryis this possible for you to make such similar video on Indian army (medieval), also Great content 👍 people usually think battle is about strength and braveness but it is also about logistic and strategy , happy to see you covered it.
@@suryansh.1 nobody but indians are interested in medieval indian warfare dude.
I have a few questions. Did independent factions like the Ikko Ikki and the Iga Ikki follow the military formations and composition displayed on the video or did they have an entirely different army organisation?
Did they have a cohesive military structure and if so, who did they heed to?
Did they segregate units out of social rank or did they fight in the same unit despite of their position?
And finally did these independent groups have their own social hierarchy or did they follow no such system but still holds a commanding structure?
Would love to know, to the creators and any one who is experienced with this sort of thing, thanks in advance!
Amazing Video!
I’d like to see y’all do a tang or song dynasty army
thats why ppl joke about japan warring era as "village fight". shogun 2/nobunaga series is totally for entertainment purpose only
By historians do you mean just one white dude who edits his own wiki articles?
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really appreciate your work, especially your respect and strive for historical accuracy. Too bad the same cannot be said for the sponsor of this video.
I hope you guys one day do the true size of the Napoleonic Armies of the 1813 German campaigns. I have a particular interest in Walmoden's Russian Prussian Army and the Danish Corps that engaged it frequently in North Germany as one of my ancestors was part of the Danish army in the time 🙂
I hope CA dont claim copy right on this video because of the shogun 2 icons
Now I'd love to see Chinese Dynasty Military Units
Great video
Hey u should try kingdom come deliverance, they are actually making a second one, but the first one seems like it would fit the channel really well
Very informative ❤❤
"Go" remained in later eras as the word "Gochō" .
It's equivalent to the Western term "Corporal" and means the leader of a "Go" .