I was the flight attendant on a flight that had a loss of flight control. It was a yaw damper issue, the plane banked pretty violently. We diverted safely, super grateful for my pilots
@@stevegiboney4493 Mentour can turn a cursory review of an incident into a 1 hour monolog and still miss a third of the of the salient points of the incident.... I quit watching his channel because I got tired of filing in his gaps in his monolog.
I was on a BA 747 400 a few years back. I needed the toilet so I went to the back and all toilets were engaged. I walked forward to the galley toilets and they were engaged too. So, I performed a go around and went to the rear toilets again which one was vacant. I was able to dump "fuel" before we landed safely
There is so much that we don't know that goes on behind closed doors. When you think about it... If the US hid the U-2 and no one knew about it. Think what they are hiding now Lol!
Yes to a go-around while arriving at Tokyo Narita during a typhoon. It was a 777 and was shaking so violently that overhead bins were popping open and nobody could leave their seats. They aborted two attempts and landed on the third. The issue was that we were a long-haul arrival and probably had limited choices to land. Apparently, Osaka was even worse. I've traveled to 30-countries on 5-continents (a long haul every 5-weeks for the past 10-years) and have never experienced the violence that that aircraft endured. The triple-7 is a tough bird.
A flight to Adelaide that I was on did two go-arounds due to low fog. We got low enough both times that I could see the runway, but obviously the pilot couldn't see enough runway in front. We diverted to Melbourne, and I had to catch a different flight later. Flights to Canberra often go around at certain times of the year when it's foggy. Of more concern, a flight I was on in Queensland years ago had a go-around when they couldn't find the airport in rain (no ILS at the regional airport). Aborted and went to a later destination.
ive flown 100s of times and only had 1 go around. Happened when landing in Doha Qatar on an A380. We were decending and about 1 minute to go the engines powered up and we were off again. the pilot eventually spoke to us letting us know a plane had not left the runway quickly enough. Nothing serious but i did happen to film it on my phone as i was filming us landing.
I was on a flight in June 2015 from Paris to Boston that had to initiate a go around, which isn’t the greatest experience after 7 hours of flying. I had another one in January 2017 going from Portland to Denver during a snowstorm, so the visibility was minimal at best. We almost got to the ground, maybe 150 ft or so, when we suddenly accelerate back up very quickly. A minute or two later the pilot comes on the speaker and tells us there was an issue but we were going to be making another approach. I have no idea what happened but that was the only time I’ve ever heard a pilot’s voice sound shaken in any way. The only guess I have is there was a plane on the runway that came into sight at the last moment but that’s pure conjecture and seems a little disorganized compared to how aviation usually works.
About 15 years ago I was on a British Airways (Regional ? ) flight from Glasgow to Bristol that had two go arounds at different airports. The first was at Bristol airport itself and it was very windy. I could see the runway about 40 degrees off the nose from my window. On finals the aircraft, an Embraer jet went around. The Captain explained due to the winds putting the aircraft outside the cross-wind limits. After orbiting to see if the winds would improve the Captain diverted the aircraft to Cardiff Airport. Again on finals the aircraft went around, this time the Captain explained he was ordered to do so by ATC due to an obstruction on the runway. After we landed I was able to complete my journey to my final destination, Plymouth Airport, by taxi from Cardiff.
Not a go-around exactly but flying out of Perth towards Brunei many years ago, after about 15 minutes in the air there was a tremendous bang and the aircraft started to lose speed and altitude. We started to turn and when we were heading back towards Perth the pilot announced that there was a problem with one engine and we would be returning to Perth. The landing was uneventful and the emergency equipment put in place at the airport was not required. A replacement aircraft was provided the next day and I noticed that the faulty plane remained at Perth Airport for some time.
I was on an emirates 380 that had to go around at MRU and then diverted to DAR. DAR had never received a 380 before so it ended up being quite a headache for the ground staff and crew. Very exciting.
The only go around I can remember was on a British Airways flight to Heathrow from Lusaka in 2007. It was because there was a queue of about 10 planes for landing so we had to fly around London a few times because we were near the back of the queue. I think it was a 777 though.
I experienced a go around landing in PTY. I'd never experienced one and didn't even know what it was. Needless to say it was pretty scary hearing the engines rev up!
I’ve been in 2 go arounds, first one was in 2010 coming into land at Brisbane when landing aircraft in front didn’t turn off the runway in time and the second one was 9 days ago, 06/04/22 Qantas QF51 coming into land at Singapore Changi. It went very dark then suddenly the engines spool up and your climbing at an extreme angle. It’s quite scary when you don’t know what’s going on. The pilot reported there was a massive storm cell over the runway.
Mar 1st 2019, I was on an ANA 787-9 on approach to Narita RWY34R. At about 3000ft, I felt the aircraft pitch upward, followed by a slight surge. The captain later explained the aircraft on approach ahead of us, had a birdstrike and it had to stop on the runway. The funny thing is that instead of rejoining the traffic pattern, we routed way out over China and the Pacific Ocean before turning back and eventually landing on 34L. I guess ATC had to redirect all the incoming traffic to 34L and juggle takeoffs as well, so we couldn’t immediately land.
I have been an amateur radio operator for 30 years now. All of my radios have a VOX (Voice Operated/Activated Transmission). I don't know anything about aviation radios, maybe they have those too. A couple weeks ago, my cat climbed on my radio station and did what cats do, and rubbed his shoulder on the two unlit buttons on my HF rig, turning on the VOX. I don't normally use it, so it took me several days to figure out why my radio was transmitting randomly. Luckily, I didn't swear and it was set to SSB (Single Side Band), so only transmitted at about 1 watt.
Phoenix-Denver, AAL a321, I was in the window seat and when we were landing and were just about 30 or so feet above the ground, the engines roared again and we were up and climbing. Apparently there was some object on the runway and no further details were specified. We circled and landed, though I can’t remember if it was the same runway we were originally going for…
I was recently on the holding point with a student in a PA38 and an A320 flared too high, went around right in front of our noses (maybe 30-40m away). Was definitely a cool thing to see even if we had to delay our takeoff because of it.
Airplane had being stored during the covid19 pandemic and just started to operate again recently, might be some glitch in the software or the plane other systems such as hydraulic etc
Oh yeh, Emirates flight to Chicago made an emergency landing here in Winnipeg, I work at Homedepot and Ek engineers were buying something at store 😂, wondering what can they possibly buy at Homedepot to fix that plane hahahah.
Philippines. Not going to mention when and where. Just after aborting the landing although foggy, I could see that the pilots somehow managed to come down and attempt landing on the wrong side of the runway. We were completely in the wrong place at the wrong angle and at the wrong direction. They apologized and tried it again without any issues, but offcourse they didn't fully explain precisely what happened
The 777's main warning alarm can be heard initially. Some time later, the autopilot disconnect tone is heard; meaning that the issues experienced prior to this were under autopilot. A very important factor as manual control commands by the PIC can be ruled out, in favour of an issue with the 777's automatic flight control system.
There are 3 autopilots on the 777 and each works in totally conjunction with the others. If one goes rogue it stops being used. Similar redundancy is used with the air data system. The fact that the autopilot is disengaged after the pilot is heard struggling with the controls suggests that the pilot is struggling against the AP.
@@EdOeuna correct but it does cover how and when the AP cuts out and or the control issues before it decided to say see ya. Also controls the nature of the alarm as it cuts. My take was it did the right thing by eventually cutting out. But it probably should have realized the issues before the pilots inputs were ignore to the point of near panic
I was. Due to windsheer i think. We were landing in windy conditions and right before the touch down already over the runway the plane was blown sideways over the runway border and started go around right away. And my coworker on a business trip got to an engine fire on 737 on the ground. But it either happened right on the start, or on the taxiway. Definitely before takeoff. All the passengers had to jump slides though
Yes, it was interesting. The thing is that the captain didn't inform us as passengers until about a half an hour later while circling around near the airport. It was frontier airlines Airbus A320. Once the captain mentioned that he was experiencing a mechanical everyone began mumbling there was even a few laughs. I was quite while my heart was racing. After 45min in the air we began our final and landed only to be met with fire trucks. Long story short the mechanics mitigated the issue with Airbus. We re-boarded and continued to our final destination without further incidents😊. Thank goodness.
Recently I experienced go around on 21st March 2022 in an Air Canada flight from Toronto to Zurich on a 787 Dreamliner. Due to heavy traffic at Zurich we did two or three rounds in the air over the city until got clearance to land.
It is normal for a control stiffnes when you fight agaist the autopilot, you can hear the autopilot disconnect sound after they fight with it, now trajectory oscillations during approach can occur at any time, it is not abnormal and why there is a disconnect switch for the autopilot ..... it will probably come back as the crew did not disconnect the autopilot before fighting it. and the Emirates B777 also the crew set the MCP (mode control panel ) wrong during the preflight procedures and did not notice even though there are a few checks where you are soppose to correct the error. so dont blame the aircraft like everybody is doing now.... think about the crews being put back in the cockpit after the stress of nearly 2 years of covid19. just my grane of sand
A pretty accurate description of the AF I reckon although the autopilot should disengage at some point with pilots heaving on it, but I’m not sure about the forces required.
I was on an aborted go-around (if that makes sense). Brussels Air, coming to land in Vilnius, on an Avro RJ. As we were coming, a few thousand feet up, in a young man dashed into the toilet (at the front, by the cockpit), for a couple of minutes the air stewardesses banged on the toilet door. Finally one used the intercom, and a few seconds later we began to rise up. Just then the young man left the toilet (2,000 feet? up), a stewardess went back to the intercom, and a few seconds later we began our descent again. Nothing was said, and we landed as expected.
I was on a plane once, a 767 I believe, and as we were coming in to land at EGNT, UK, I became very aware that something was seriously wrong. Luckily I was wrong and the plane landed smoothly, without incident.
Has there been a satisfactory explanation for the 'Stop! Stop! Stop it!' coming from the flight crew? Who was the source, who was the intended recipient, and what was the cause of these utterances?
Speculation is that it was one pilot telling the other to stop fighting the autopilot, the theory being that the ILS was partially.blocked and the autopilot following the signal shifted with it. Hence the "unresponsive" controls.
One thing they need to check are the state of the pitot tubes. Clogged or even partially clogged pitot tubes can give false readings that could seriously interfere with teh fly-by-ware control system on the plane, a factor on the crash of Air France Flight 447 and a few incidents on A320's. Boeing may need to require far more stringent inspections of the pitot tubes between flights to make sure there isn't undue ice or other debris buildup.
@@tomstravels520 I would almost agree, but pitot tubes clogged by flying insects is also a known issue. That's why they should be checked and cleaned on a frequent basis.
@@Sacto1654 not during flight they haven’t. Insects blocking them have been after on the ground for a few days like Birgenair 301. And even that only had 1 pitot blocked. Other 2 were fine
The pilots got confused because they didn’t disconnect the autopilot but then tried to hand fly the aircraft. They then messed up the resulting go-around.
@@waterdrinkingexpert6797 Did I say all Boeing made aircraft are falling out of the sky? No. I like Boeing aircraft but recently (past 5 years or so) there has been a lot of incidents involving many different aircraft systems. That’s why I’m asking what’s going on.
blancolirio had a good explanation. He's a 777 pilot. Sounds like they didn't disengage the auto pilot when they decided to go around and were fighting it.
@@TrigonixZeNW Lol, what. The 777 autopilot disengage is RIGHT there on the yoke. It's placed there for a reason, so you can quickly disengage in any scenario.
The 777s and 737-800s have a long history of safe flying. What is it with Boeing that we have this current spate of incidents? Anything to do with long storage during the pandemic crisis? So far we don't seem to be seeing the same issues with Airbus.
Literally thousands of 737s and 777s fly every day of every hour of every minute with virtually no incidents carrying hundred of thousands of passengers. Hardly a "spate" of incidents that are related to each other.
@@EdOeuna You are being very annoying in the comment section of this video. Did you not see Simply Flying's recent video about the Malaysia Airlines 737 incident? Smartass.
There are many, many reasons why something could happen to a plane, which have nothing to do with who assembled the plane. People need to stop hearing about an incident, and immediately thinking "What did Boeing/Airbus do wrong this time".
The localizer must have been disturbed by a truck or plane and caused the deviation south. They caught it, but tried to perform a manual go-around while the autopilot was still engaged. They put the gear up with full flaps and that is the wailer you are hearing. There's nothing wrong with the plane.
I’ve heard this from numerous other people. Although the autopilot should disengage with manual intervention on the control column I’m not sure what pressure it requires. It’s more than the touch of a feather for sure. I suspect that the aircraft lost the LOC and went into its stabilising mode. This mode isn’t initially visible to the pilots except for the LOC pip not showing. After about 10 seconds you get the EICAS AUTOPILOT and the LOC is crossed out on the FMA. This is probably what confused the pilots and they must have thought that the autopilot had disconnected, so tried to manually fly the aircraft. Or realising that the autopilot was still engaged. This will, most likely, just come down to poor mode awareness and then pilots becoming overwhelmed.
The go around should never be a demerit for the flight crew, they want to get to the destination as much as any passenger on board. They went around as a measure of safety, not inconvenience. These people are everyday heros.
with the next generation B777-9X program in serious doubt, Boeing should look into re-starting the current B777 (pax variant) assembly line with newer variants based on the B777-300 ER . . . for e.g. a B777-300 ER HGW with new high thrust turbofan engines or a dedicated B777-300 ER whose cabin interior will be configured to FirstSuite® BusinessPLUS® & Premium Economy class only . . .
I will fly on these, but I will never trust fly-by-wire planes fully, especially as they get older. If there is a possibility of no connection between controls and pilot, I'm uneasy.
If it's Boeing, I am going for sure. Especially the 777. Incredible aircraft, very very safe. It's proven itself over 27 years. Educate yourself first, before making such comments.
What's wrong is pilot error rather then aircraft error. Nothing to do with the plane itself, the pilots corrected themselves and landed the aircraft safely everyone survived.
Because the 777 is one of the post popular and reliable passenger planes in the world. This incident is most likely due to pilot error then aircraft error. Toyotas are some of the most driven cars in the world, and have been in many more accidents then say a Tesla, it's like asking "why are Toyotas involved in more accidents", because people drive more Toyotas and drivers are most likely to cause an accident then the car itself.
Because Boeing is getting a lot of media Intention as of the China eastern aircraft being a 737, Max flashbacks. Again the only reason why this is even news right now is because the aircraft is Boeing-made, if this was an A350 it wouldn’t get headlines.
@@dopepopeurban6129 To be perfectly honest Airbus do have their flaws too such as the paintwork on the A350 however I don't see that as putting passenger safety as risk as rightly you mentioned the 737 MAX and now this. Seems like Airbus values passenger safety compared to Boeing
@@EdOeuna I’m not saying the whole B777 fleet is faulty but the point I’m trying to make is Boeing planes are showing signs of being problematic that’s all
@@MrMrm324 - Boeing had issues with the Max, no doubt about it. There were a few teething problems when the 787 was launched as well, but that will be standard for all brand new aircraft. I recall the A380 had its fair share of problems during its first few years in service. The quality of the A350 paint seems to be a headache for some too. All manufacturing companies have problems, but to broadly say that Boeing planes are problematic is wrong, especially for planes built 10+ years ago. The 777, particularly the L’s and W’s, are tremendous and very reliable aircraft.
Please don't bore us rigid with your go-around....it's no big deal ! It's the Pilot that does not go around when he should have is the one you want to worry about..........?
Boeing never stopped having issues with their planes. Airbus is still way better. Boeing tends to rush everything to get quick approval. In the end, safety gets compromised. Long overdue & outdated technologies with Boeing planes....even the latest 787 is not at par with the oldest A320. Let alone the latest 737 max.
@@KuK137 Oh, and you're not an airbus troll, you people are ridiculous. I blame Boeing when something is their fault,, like the MAX debacle, but to blame Boeing for these latest incidents without any evidence that they were the fault of the plane is just plain wrong. If it turns out otherwise, I will be the first to say there is a problem. The problem with people like you is, you don't like an opinion that doesn't jive with yours
Just wanna post out that the first A320 prototype had its maiden flight before the 777 even went off the drawing board (more or less). You have no clue of technical details about both aircraft, so how about you stop writing unqualified comments to get positive feedback from the diehard airbus bubble. There are people with actual arguments who want to have a discussion round here…
O yes, the Boeing 777 issues.growing and growing.. Hmm. does the newest model X stands for Xtra problems.. I guess so.. Enjioy all of you triple 7 travels... I will hup on an Airbus ,if it is all the same to you!!
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I was the flight attendant on a flight that had a loss of flight control. It was a yaw damper issue, the plane banked pretty violently. We diverted safely, super grateful for my pilots
@@Fellysnaps they're talking about a different flight bozo
@@scoobertkingofaura didn't see that bozo lmao
Indeed pilots are the ones that's always under pressure
This will be good for Mentour Pilot when the investigation and report is done.
Mentour pilot explained how the jets can capture a false ILS frequency, I wonder if that’s why it wasn’t lined up with the runway.
That guy makes an 1h video when it could be a 5 min video
@@enimaja7896 maybe 55 minutes of it are beyond your comprehension…
@@enimaja7896 Mentour Pilot videos are approximately 30 minutes long.
@@stevegiboney4493 Mentour can turn a cursory review of an incident into a 1 hour monolog and still miss a third of the of the salient points of the incident.... I quit watching his channel because I got tired of filing in his gaps in his monolog.
I was on a BA 747 400 a few years back. I needed the toilet so I went to the back and all toilets were engaged. I walked forward to the galley toilets and they were engaged too. So, I performed a go around and went to the rear toilets again which one was vacant. I was able to dump "fuel" before we landed safely
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That sounds like a pretty serious 'Code Brown' incident!
😂 well done! Hilarious and no oxygen problems on the dump?
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I just got an Air France Advertisement before this video
I can imagine the conversations behind closed doors after this happening. Both at Boeing and the world's airlines.
There is so much that we don't know that goes on behind closed doors. When you think about it... If the US hid the U-2 and no one knew about it. Think what they are hiding now Lol!
They’ll be wondering how two experienced pilots can make such a hash of a minor LOC deviation and subsequent go-around.
I'd like to have been a fly on the wall during that meeting! ✈️❤️
@@longreach207 Same!
@@EdOeuna reminds me the 447 crash.... French pilots...
Yes to a go-around while arriving at Tokyo Narita during a typhoon. It was a 777 and was shaking so violently that overhead bins were popping open and nobody could leave their seats. They aborted two attempts and landed on the third. The issue was that we were a long-haul arrival and probably had limited choices to land. Apparently, Osaka was even worse. I've traveled to 30-countries on 5-continents (a long haul every 5-weeks for the past 10-years) and have never experienced the violence that that aircraft endured. The triple-7 is a tough bird.
A flight to Adelaide that I was on did two go-arounds due to low fog. We got low enough both times that I could see the runway, but obviously the pilot couldn't see enough runway in front. We diverted to Melbourne, and I had to catch a different flight later. Flights to Canberra often go around at certain times of the year when it's foggy. Of more concern, a flight I was on in Queensland years ago had a go-around when they couldn't find the airport in rain (no ILS at the regional airport). Aborted and went to a later destination.
ive flown 100s of times and only had 1 go around. Happened when landing in Doha Qatar on an A380. We were decending and about 1 minute to go the engines powered up and we were off again. the pilot eventually spoke to us letting us know a plane had not left the runway quickly enough. Nothing serious but i did happen to film it on my phone as i was filming us landing.
I was on a flight in June 2015 from Paris to Boston that had to initiate a go around, which isn’t the greatest experience after 7 hours of flying. I had another one in January 2017 going from Portland to Denver during a snowstorm, so the visibility was minimal at best. We almost got to the ground, maybe 150 ft or so, when we suddenly accelerate back up very quickly. A minute or two later the pilot comes on the speaker and tells us there was an issue but we were going to be making another approach. I have no idea what happened but that was the only time I’ve ever heard a pilot’s voice sound shaken in any way. The only guess I have is there was a plane on the runway that came into sight at the last moment but that’s pure conjecture and seems a little disorganized compared to how aviation usually works.
About 15 years ago I was on a British Airways (Regional ? ) flight from Glasgow to Bristol that had two go arounds at different airports. The first was at Bristol airport itself and it was very windy. I could see the runway about 40 degrees off the nose from my window. On finals the aircraft, an Embraer jet went around. The Captain explained due to the winds putting the aircraft outside the cross-wind limits. After orbiting to see if the winds would improve the Captain diverted the aircraft to Cardiff Airport. Again on finals the aircraft went around, this time the Captain explained he was ordered to do so by ATC due to an obstruction on the runway. After we landed I was able to complete my journey to my final destination, Plymouth Airport, by taxi from Cardiff.
I hope the airline paid for your taxi.
Not a go-around exactly but flying out of Perth towards Brunei many years ago, after about 15 minutes in the air there was a tremendous bang and the aircraft started to lose speed and altitude. We started to turn and when we were heading back towards Perth the pilot announced that there was a problem with one engine and we would be returning to Perth. The landing was uneventful and the emergency equipment put in place at the airport was not required. A replacement aircraft was provided the next day and I noticed that the faulty plane remained at Perth Airport for some time.
I was on an emirates 380 that had to go around at MRU and then diverted to DAR. DAR had never received a 380 before so it ended up being quite a headache for the ground staff and crew. Very exciting.
The only go around I can remember was on a British Airways flight to Heathrow from Lusaka in 2007. It was because there was a queue of about 10 planes for landing so we had to fly around London a few times because we were near the back of the queue. I think it was a 777 though.
That's not a go around.
@@paula200 near enough
@@eamonahern7495 ha ha ha. You went round
I experienced a go around landing in PTY. I'd never experienced one and didn't even know what it was. Needless to say it was pretty scary hearing the engines rev up!
Hmmmm…. AF pilots seem to freak out when things go wrong…
huh... weird. This is the 2nd near miss.. how many more near misses are we having in 2022?
I’ve been in 2 go arounds, first one was in 2010 coming into land at Brisbane when landing aircraft in front didn’t turn off the runway in time and the second one was 9 days ago, 06/04/22 Qantas QF51 coming into land at Singapore Changi. It went very dark then suddenly the engines spool up and your climbing at an extreme angle. It’s quite scary when you don’t know what’s going on. The pilot reported there was a massive storm cell over the runway.
I’ve only experienced one go-around, 17 years ago on a flight from Blantyre to Johannesburg - the captain said that there was a runway incursion.
Mar 1st 2019, I was on an ANA 787-9 on approach to Narita RWY34R. At about 3000ft, I felt the aircraft pitch upward, followed by a slight surge. The captain later explained the aircraft on approach ahead of us, had a birdstrike and it had to stop on the runway. The funny thing is that instead of rejoining the traffic pattern, we routed way out over China and the Pacific Ocean before turning back and eventually landing on 34L. I guess ATC had to redirect all the incoming traffic to 34L and juggle takeoffs as well, so we couldn’t immediately land.
I have been an amateur radio operator for 30 years now. All of my radios have a VOX (Voice Operated/Activated Transmission). I don't know anything about aviation radios, maybe they have those too. A couple weeks ago, my cat climbed on my radio station and did what cats do, and rubbed his shoulder on the two unlit buttons on my HF rig, turning on the VOX. I don't normally use it, so it took me several days to figure out why my radio was transmitting randomly. Luckily, I didn't swear and it was set to SSB (Single Side Band), so only transmitted at about 1 watt.
Phoenix-Denver, AAL a321, I was in the window seat and when we were landing and were just about 30 or so feet above the ground, the engines roared again and we were up and climbing. Apparently there was some object on the runway and no further details were specified. We circled and landed, though I can’t remember if it was the same runway we were originally going for…
I was recently on the holding point with a student in a PA38 and an A320 flared too high, went around right in front of our noses (maybe 30-40m away). Was definitely a cool thing to see even if we had to delay our takeoff because of it.
Airplane had being stored during the covid19 pandemic and just started to operate again recently, might be some glitch in the software or the plane other systems such as hydraulic etc
1:32 what plane is that in the background
AN-124
Oh yeh, Emirates flight to Chicago made an emergency landing here in Winnipeg, I work at Homedepot and Ek engineers were buying something at store 😂, wondering what can they possibly buy at Homedepot to fix that plane hahahah.
Ductape!
Do you sell can openers?
Philippines. Not going to mention when and where. Just after aborting the landing although foggy, I could see that the pilots somehow managed to come down and attempt landing on the wrong side of the runway. We were completely in the wrong place at the wrong angle and at the wrong direction. They apologized and tried it again without any issues, but offcourse they didn't fully explain precisely what happened
The 777's main warning alarm can be heard initially. Some time later, the autopilot disconnect tone is heard; meaning that the issues experienced prior to this were under autopilot. A very important factor as manual control commands by the PIC can be ruled out, in favour of an issue with the 777's automatic flight control system.
There are 3 autopilots on the 777 and each works in totally conjunction with the others. If one goes rogue it stops being used. Similar redundancy is used with the air data system.
The fact that the autopilot is disengaged after the pilot is heard struggling with the controls suggests that the pilot is struggling against the AP.
Sounds like Boeing... Be it the Max or the starliner... They need to get their coding act together.
@@johnwuethrich4196 - their coding doesn’t include how pilots react to warnings and cautions.
@@johnwuethrich4196 Seriously? The 777 has been flying perfectly fine without incident since 1995, I think you need to get your coding act together
@@EdOeuna correct but it does cover how and when the AP cuts out and or the control issues before it decided to say see ya. Also controls the nature of the alarm as it cuts. My take was it did the right thing by eventually cutting out. But it probably should have realized the issues before the pilots inputs were ignore to the point of near panic
Pilot left autopilot on and tried to fight the yoke. You can hear the ap disengage afterwards.
scary stuff. 777's are solid. Not sure what happened here. CDG is super crowded airspace too. Lucky TOGA worked!
Altimeter Interference from 5G perhaps? Seriously, some of the 5G millimetre waves come way too close to the frequencies that altimeters operate at.
I was. Due to windsheer i think. We were landing in windy conditions and right before the touch down already over the runway the plane was blown sideways over the runway border and started go around right away.
And my coworker on a business trip got to an engine fire on 737 on the ground. But it either happened right on the start, or on the taxiway. Definitely before takeoff. All the passengers had to jump slides though
I have experienced a Go Around once. I was heading to Goa, When the Indigo A320 did a go around. I have no idea, why
26 go arounds in my 15 years as a cabin crew, for various reasons most commonly congested runways or weather
Yes, it was interesting. The thing is that the captain didn't inform us as passengers until about a half an hour later while circling around near the airport. It was frontier airlines Airbus A320. Once the captain mentioned that he was experiencing a mechanical everyone began mumbling there was even a few laughs. I was quite while my heart was racing. After 45min in the air we began our final and landed only to be met with fire trucks. Long story short the mechanics mitigated the issue with Airbus. We re-boarded and continued to our final destination without further incidents😊. Thank goodness.
Recently I experienced go around on 21st March 2022 in an Air Canada flight from Toronto to Zurich on a 787 Dreamliner. Due to heavy traffic at Zurich we did two or three rounds in the air over the city until got clearance to land.
It is normal for a control stiffnes when you fight agaist the autopilot, you can hear the autopilot disconnect sound after they fight with it, now trajectory oscillations during approach can occur at any time, it is not abnormal and why there is a disconnect switch for the autopilot ..... it will probably come back as the crew did not disconnect the autopilot before fighting it. and the Emirates B777 also the crew set the MCP (mode control panel ) wrong during the preflight procedures and did not notice even though there are a few checks where you are soppose to correct the error. so dont blame the aircraft like everybody is doing now.... think about the crews being put back in the cockpit after the stress of nearly 2 years of covid19. just my grane of sand
A pretty accurate description of the AF I reckon although the autopilot should disengage at some point with pilots heaving on it, but I’m not sure about the forces required.
great video
What is the difference in hull age between the Air France and the Emirates?
Air France was built in 2005 and emirates was built in 2017
You Can See the Antonov An225 from 1:32-1:33
*124.
Ahhhh, good ole Air Chance!!
Singapore airlines nyc to frankfurt 15 yrs ago upon lanfing the pilot had to abort and do a go around as there was a plane too close to the runway
I was on an aborted go-around (if that makes sense). Brussels Air, coming to land in Vilnius, on an Avro RJ. As we were coming, a few thousand feet up, in a young man dashed into the toilet (at the front, by the cockpit), for a couple of minutes the air stewardesses banged on the toilet door. Finally one used the intercom, and a few seconds later we began to rise up. Just then the young man left the toilet (2,000 feet? up), a stewardess went back to the intercom, and a few seconds later we began our descent again. Nothing was said, and we landed as expected.
I was on a plane once, a 767 I believe, and as we were coming in to land at EGNT, UK, I became very aware that something was seriously wrong. Luckily I was wrong and the plane landed smoothly, without incident.
Has there been a satisfactory explanation for the 'Stop! Stop! Stop it!' coming from the flight crew? Who was the source, who was the intended recipient, and what was the cause of these utterances?
Those voice recordings are from the communication between ATC and the cockpit.
Speculation is that it was one pilot telling the other to stop fighting the autopilot, the theory being that the ILS was partially.blocked and the autopilot following the signal shifted with it. Hence the "unresponsive" controls.
Yes I have been on a go around but it was weather related. Actually we did 2 go around sand the landed safely. It was on a AirBus 330-300
Damn thats scary
Arriving in Iberia to Paris Orly the plane go around after several minutes the pilot explained the incident a plane was crossing the landing track
One thing they need to check are the state of the pitot tubes. Clogged or even partially clogged pitot tubes can give false readings that could seriously interfere with teh fly-by-ware control system on the plane, a factor on the crash of Air France Flight 447 and a few incidents on A320's. Boeing may need to require far more stringent inspections of the pitot tubes between flights to make sure there isn't undue ice or other debris buildup.
That was reported, a pitot tube issue on a Malaysian Airlines that drop a few thousand feet on a local flight last week
If they were blocked it would most likely have been on takeoff or cruise. Very rarely during landing as not cold enough for ice crystals to form
@@tomstravels520 I would almost agree, but pitot tubes clogged by flying insects is also a known issue. That's why they should be checked and cleaned on a frequent basis.
@@Sacto1654 not during flight they haven’t. Insects blocking them have been after on the ground for a few days like Birgenair 301. And even that only had 1 pitot blocked. Other 2 were fine
I didn't get it. What was this video about?
The pilots got confused because they didn’t disconnect the autopilot but then tried to hand fly the aircraft. They then messed up the resulting go-around.
I had a go around as a kid, just touched down then had to go around. Then one as an adult flying into mco due to bad weather. Kinda cool!
Luckily the only time I can occasionally deviate from is the subject of discussion...
😂
What’s going on with Boeing?
nothing. The 777 has proven to be one of the safest planes out there. Don't jump to conclusions.
@@waterdrinkingexpert6797 Did I say all Boeing made aircraft are falling out of the sky? No. I like Boeing aircraft but recently (past 5 years or so) there has been a lot of incidents involving many different aircraft systems. That’s why I’m asking what’s going on.
Expect more problems with Boeing aircraft as they continue to outsource everything to India. We are seeing the results in real-time.
1:09 Whyed 777
blancolirio had a good explanation. He's a 777 pilot. Sounds like they didn't disengage the auto pilot when they decided to go around and were fighting it.
But you should be able to disengage the autopilot by moving the controls, not by fighting it
@@TrigonixZeNW Lol, what. The 777 autopilot disengage is RIGHT there on the yoke. It's placed there for a reason, so you can quickly disengage in any scenario.
Yes go arounds feels like a rocket liftoff
Yes I was on a go around. Apparently the part time airport forgot to turn the runway lights on 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Uh oh.
I had a go around at CDG on a 777 200
F-GSPY DLA-CDG 13 March 2013 0750 local time. Something to do with icing I was told When we disembarked
Do Air France pilots actually know how to fly their aircraft
The 777s and 737-800s have a long history of safe flying. What is it with Boeing that we have this current spate of incidents? Anything to do with long storage during the pandemic crisis? So far we don't seem to be seeing the same issues with Airbus.
What spate of incidents? One 737 crashing isn’t a spate.
Literally thousands of 737s and 777s fly every day of every hour of every minute with virtually no incidents carrying hundred of thousands of passengers. Hardly a "spate" of incidents that are related to each other.
@@EdOeuna You are being very annoying in the comment section of this video. Did you not see Simply Flying's recent video about the Malaysia Airlines 737 incident? Smartass.
There are many, many reasons why something could happen to a plane, which have nothing to do with who assembled the plane. People need to stop hearing about an incident, and immediately thinking "What did Boeing/Airbus do wrong this time".
Most French pilots are poorly trained remember 447
0:03 why did I hear April fools?.
The pilots were struggling, battling to control the 777, and one of them was calling stop stop stop panicking and shaking 🤭🤭so scary!!!!😟😟
The localizer must have been disturbed by a truck or plane and caused the deviation south. They caught it, but tried to perform a manual go-around while the autopilot was still engaged. They put the gear up with full flaps and that is the wailer you are hearing. There's nothing wrong with the plane.
How do you know? Are you the pilot or a mechanic?
During go around your not meant to the touch the gear
I’ve heard this from numerous other people. Although the autopilot should disengage with manual intervention on the control column I’m not sure what pressure it requires. It’s more than the touch of a feather for sure.
I suspect that the aircraft lost the LOC and went into its stabilising mode. This mode isn’t initially visible to the pilots except for the LOC pip not showing. After about 10 seconds you get the EICAS AUTOPILOT and the LOC is crossed out on the FMA. This is probably what confused the pilots and they must have thought that the autopilot had disconnected, so tried to manually fly the aircraft. Or realising that the autopilot was still engaged. This will, most likely, just come down to poor mode awareness and then pilots becoming overwhelmed.
@@rayanaltowayan9558 "Go around, flaps 20, positive rate.....Gear up."
You are thinking of a GPWS or wind shear alert.
@@EdOeuna That's what I think too, there's nothing wrong with the airplane, they just gooned up the go around.
Is it fly-by-wire anyone?
Yes, although there is one connection between the flight deck control column and one pair of wing spoilers.
The go around should never be a demerit for the flight crew, they want to get to the destination as much as any passenger on board. They went around as a measure of safety, not inconvenience. These people are everyday heros.
Yikes
Oh my god. This is..an interesting story
Why are Air France pilots so inept?
with the next generation B777-9X program in serious doubt, Boeing should look into re-starting the current B777 (pax variant) assembly line with newer variants based on the B777-300 ER . . . for e.g. a B777-300 ER HGW with new high thrust turbofan engines or a dedicated B777-300 ER whose cabin interior will be configured to FirstSuite® BusinessPLUS® & Premium Economy class only . . .
Boeing is hiring. You should apply.
Seriously in doubt? LMAO
Nah, the 777X is everything but in doubt. Certification just takes longer than expected, reasonable after the Maxes sluddy certification.
Does performing a go around myself count? 😄
Only if you did it in mid-air.
@@rais1953 in mid-air is kind of how go arounds work 😄.
@@taridean That's right.
No likey . 17 years of age and its about time the aviation industry starts looking into the longevity of its fleet.
It could well have been pilot error. None of us can really blame the aircraft until the report is published
A 17-year-old aircraft is just fine if it's properly maintained. Age of a plane has rarely, if ever, been a factor in a plane crash.
Still waiting for the unqualified „Boeing is a problematic aircraft manufacturer“ comment
They are though.. ever since they started caring about their shareholders only quality has gone down drastically.
I will fly on these, but I will never trust fly-by-wire planes fully, especially as they get older. If there is a possibility of no connection between controls and pilot, I'm uneasy.
Don't worry there are always mechanical backups (physical cables), such as the 747-8 is partially fly by wire.
@@rayanaltowayan9558 Really? Interesting .
@@rayanaltowayan9558 not on modern planes. The A350, A380 and 787 don’t have mechanical backups. Even the A320 has recently lost its mechanical rudder
@@tomstravels520 Agreed. I would much rather fly in a non fly by wire plane with a pilot who is more than a bus driver.
@@danharold3087 well you’re gonna be out of choices eventually. Even the 737 Max has FBW spoilers. Same for the 747-8 plus the outboard ailerons
Nothing to see here... Just the usual with Boeing
Yeah nah, sorry bud. Has nothing to do with Boeing. Try harder
If it’s a Boeing, I ain’t going.
How original…🤦
Ok
If it's Boeing, I am going for sure. Especially the 777. Incredible aircraft, very very safe. It's proven itself over 27 years. Educate yourself first, before making such comments.
@@Jack3md fax
Bad year for Boeing planes 🥲
Boeing with its issues as always !!! What’s going wrong?
Media Attention is going wrong. Nobody would know about this incident if the aircraft was an A350 because Airbus isn’t a target right now.
What's wrong is pilot error rather then aircraft error. Nothing to do with the plane itself, the pilots corrected themselves and landed the aircraft safely everyone survived.
Watch how the Boeing fanboys explain this one away
Hi Joe
xD
Pilot error.
@@wasmiddelsap3379 hi wassieeeeeeeee
Exactly..
If it's boeing, I ain't going.
If it's Boeing, I am going. Considering how incredibly safe the 777 has proven itself over 27 years.
8 Boeing incidents during a month
And nil for Airbus
@@thabotshabalala7114 no incidents with media coverage. Anxious Air France A318 noises, 2 engine failures in one week
Sounds like a clogged pitot tube
If ain’t Boeing, I’m going.
If it's Boeing, I am going
@@Jack3md to crash ?
@@FGCH03 Nope
@@Jack3md good luck
5G - auto landing?
Why is it always a Boeing plane
Cause they are rubbish planes
Why are all pilots involved driving cars?
Because the 777 is one of the post popular and reliable passenger planes in the world. This incident is most likely due to pilot error then aircraft error. Toyotas are some of the most driven cars in the world, and have been in many more accidents then say a Tesla, it's like asking "why are Toyotas involved in more accidents", because people drive more Toyotas and drivers are most likely to cause an accident then the car itself.
one more Boeing plane built with Chinese quality standards?!
Now I don't trust Boeing's Aircrafts
If its Boeing, I'm NOT going.....
If it's Boeing, I AM going.
Why is it always Boeing having problematic aircraft?
Because Boeing is getting a lot of media Intention as of the China eastern aircraft being a 737, Max flashbacks. Again the only reason why this is even news right now is because the aircraft is Boeing-made, if this was an A350 it wouldn’t get headlines.
@@dopepopeurban6129 To be perfectly honest Airbus do have their flaws too such as the paintwork on the A350 however I don't see that as putting passenger safety as risk as rightly you mentioned the 737 MAX and now this. Seems like Airbus values passenger safety compared to Boeing
@@MrMrm324 - absolutely nothing wrong with the 777.
@@EdOeuna I’m not saying the whole B777 fleet is faulty but the point I’m trying to make is Boeing planes are showing signs of being problematic that’s all
@@MrMrm324 - Boeing had issues with the Max, no doubt about it. There were a few teething problems when the 787 was launched as well, but that will be standard for all brand new aircraft. I recall the A380 had its fair share of problems during its first few years in service. The quality of the A350 paint seems to be a headache for some too.
All manufacturing companies have problems, but to broadly say that Boeing planes are problematic is wrong, especially for planes built 10+ years ago. The 777, particularly the L’s and W’s, are tremendous and very reliable aircraft.
Please don't bore us rigid with your go-around....it's no big deal !
It's the Pilot that does not go around when he should have is the one you want to worry about..........?
then don't watch, problem solved.
@@moarhappy8983 Sound like a bore.....
@@daftvader4218 yeah you do
@@moarhappy8983 grow up..
Yep, America brand are now worse than those made in Taiwan back on the old days.
Boeing shooting them selves in the foot again
Try again
Boeing never stopped having issues with their planes. Airbus is still way better. Boeing tends to rush everything to get quick approval. In the end, safety gets compromised. Long overdue & outdated technologies with Boeing planes....even the latest 787 is not at par with the oldest A320. Let alone the latest 737 max.
Airbus is way wayyy better couldn't agree more
You're delusional, and jumping to conclusions that what happened with the Air France plane was the fault of the plane itself, and not something else.
@@athleticguy15 Found the boeing PR troll bot account...
@@KuK137 Oh, and you're not an airbus troll, you people are ridiculous. I blame Boeing when something is their fault,, like the MAX debacle, but to blame Boeing for these latest incidents without any evidence that they were the fault of the plane is just plain wrong. If it turns out otherwise, I will be the first to say there is a problem. The problem with people like you is, you don't like an opinion that doesn't jive with yours
Just wanna post out that the first A320 prototype had its maiden flight before the 777 even went off the drawing board (more or less). You have no clue of technical details about both aircraft, so how about you stop writing unqualified comments to get positive feedback from the diehard airbus bubble. There are people with actual arguments who want to have a discussion round here…
Boeing aircraft have too many problems
No Boeing aircraft are just getting media coverage right now. An A318 with 2 engine failures in one week doesn’t fit in the headlines there…
O yes, the Boeing 777 issues.growing and growing.. Hmm. does the newest model X stands for Xtra problems.. I guess so.. Enjioy all of you triple 7 travels... I will hup on an Airbus ,if it is all the same to you!!
The 777 has proven to be one of the safest planes out there. Don't jump to conclusions.
That's boeing for you...