The reduction gear should be one piece machined hardened steel. Honda is going down the drain in quality with there new stuff being made in Taiwan and China.
Its done that way so it doesn't dammage the motor from kick back. Kick back can brake the cases or the starter. No throttle when starting. Alsos the gears at the one way clutch thad it rides on and against need to be replaced when doing the 1 way they are where items.
@@HanSolo-yd2pf You are absolutely correct. I much rather replace the press fit gears than the cases or the starter. And worse that having to replace the cases is getting stuck in the middle of nowhere with a bike you can't ride at all. The original CRF450X had a problem with kick back when starting. In 2008 Honda went with a new design on the decompression mechanism on the cam shaft and now they start much easier with very little kickback.
*** HONDA JUST RELEASED A BULLETIN *** Like many others I just experienced this problem a few weeks ago. I have a 2020 CRF450X with ONLY 100 miles. Bike pretty much left me stranded would not start, long story took it to Honda dealership. They quoted me over $700 because not only did my reduction gear go out, it caused damaged to other parts (sorry not a mechanic dude so not sure all the name of the other parts). Anyway Honda did not want to cover the cost, so I agreed to pay out of pocket, turns out while my dirt bike was there waiting for parts another pretty much brand new dirtbike came if for the same problem. The Honda dealership worked with Honda, and Honda agreed to repair both bikes at no cost. Although I am relieved they did so, I was about to pay out of pocket had that other bike not come in. Honda knows this is a problem and they should right away start sending recalls instead of customers going thorough what I went through.
My 2009 250x starts perfectly when cold, but once the bike gets hot riding slow PNW gnar, the starter barely turns over - like a dead battery. I installed a new Yuasa battery, but no change. Can this be caused by those gears you showed? Or simply an old starter motor that needs replacing? Appreciate your thoughts
Most likely it’s a combination of things. First of all I would check your valves, specifically the exhaust valves I would bet that they’re tight. Secondly make sure that the decompression lever is working correctly and lastly I would check to make sure that the battery is charging when the bike is running. If everything is checking out good then a new battery might be an order. 🏁
It sounds like a few folks are having the same problem I am but I haven't heard an answer to the question of "could this also be the reduction gear or starter clutch etc.?" What I am referring to is this - Problem: when the engine is hot, even though after having run perfectly, and after having started just fine cold (and many other times after that during a ride day) suddenly - the starter won't turn the engine over AND the engine is super hard to kick over and won't start because it's impossible to turn the engine over fast enough - because there is a drag on the motor - like the starter won't disengage or something. Another way to describe it is it feels like you're trying to kick it over with it in gear with the clutch out - even though the bike is in neutral. The only way I could get the bike to run again was on a steep downhill - in neutral (too much resistance to gain enough momentum if in gear even though the clutch is in). Once in neutral and plenty of momentum, pop it into gear and drop the clutch (ie bump start it) and it will overcome the resistance, start up - and run perfectly again. Before I just start tearing down and replacing parts has anyone experienced this and does anyone know what is causing the resistance? Again, could it be the reduction gear, is there some centrifugal bearing? could it be the starter clutch, or is it just THE clutch? Any help would be appreciated before I just start tearing it down and replacing parts. I've had to fix/replace just about everything else on this beast - couldn't agree more, my almost 20 year old KTM RFS engine dirt bikes have been way more reliable and problem free - and my 300 2-stroke - the best of them all. I have so much into this CRF at this point I need to fix it - even if I decide to sell it (don't want to sell it with the problem even though I easily could because for some reason it doesn't happen until after I'm deep into a hard day of hot weather riding.)
@@MasonGeorgeMotorcycles I don't disagree with you I'm just curious if anyone else in this thread - or you - have seen this same problem and perhaps resolved it.
I have a 2020 crf 450 r and the starter spins foe just a second but then stops. But if I jump across the starter sylinoid it turns the motor over. I replaced the shlinoid you think the gear is bad?
I replaced the reduction gear on mine, but it didn't solve the problem. (Though my gear had some wear on it, so may have contributed to my problem.) I also had to replace the "ONE-WAY CLUTCH" bearing. (Part #28125-MEY-671). It's easy to do when you already have the case open.
3:00 Can you spot weld it before it causes trouble? 20 seconds later,,,,,'',they make one with a keyway'', yeah I would get that before it starts acting up..
Hey Bud, I got a 22crf450rx and it starts, but it's really loud when it's turning over. I put an aftermarket starter on it (1st mistake) and it was still loud. Put a Honda reduction gear on it and it's still loud. Then the teeth on the crappy starter literally wore off the first day and then the starter was free spinning. Put the original starter back on and now I'm back to the original loud high pitch noise when it turns over. Starts fine just loud as hell, especially when it's cold. Got any direction you can point me in.
Without hearing it, that’s a tough one. Have you reached out to your local dealer to see if they have had any similar issues? Normally on a newer bike like that the dealer can offer some assistance and normally it won’t cost you anything.
@@MasonGeorgeMotorcycles yeah, I'm going to pull it apart tomorrow and check the one way clutch. This all started when I was picking my bike up from a fall and inadvertently had the throttle open a little when I hit the button and it hickuped pretty bad. After that it's been really loud. For some stupid reason I thought the gear reduction gear was the one way clutch. But thanks a ton.
@MasonGeorgeMotorcycles - Thanks - I’ve ordered the clutch insert separate from the housing but the insert doesn’t easily slip into the housing. Wondering if I should have purchased them together.
This has nothing to do with starter but when its winter my bike runs fine but when it gets hot outside after a little bit of riding it just starts to bog down and I have to let it cool off for atleast 5 mins but it only does this when hot outside any clue what may be wrong? Crf250x
Have 450X & I can’t see any way of not having to take the whole head off just because Honda couldn’t put the chain tensioner 1/2” closer in! Use to love Honda worked on all their buildings in Torrance for years, now I hate them. Wish I still had my ‘84 CRF 250 2 stroke. That thing was a rocket & would keep up if not beat the new bikes. Gave it to a friend cuz Honda didn’t sell parts anymore but he found aftermarket ones started racing it, and even though he hadn’t raced before started winning on my old Red Tocket!!!
I appreciate the video helped me find my problem can you send me another link for that aftermarket starter reduction gear. I click on your link and it doesn’t pop up.
I am having this issue with a 2020 CRF 450r but I am unable to find the aftermarket part. Can someone please help? Is there a way to modify the oem part by welding together
Does this cover an issue I have with the crf250x? I have a 2004 crf 250x and I can kick it over but when im in the trail I like to use the electric start. My problem is that on my bike I have to sit holding the electric start for what feels like forever but my friend who has the sane bike but has his rebuilt starts up by just tapping the e-start when the bike is warmed up.
I'm having a e-start problem on my 2013 CRF250X. What is the part number on the aftermarket starter reduction gear? I can't find it anywhere. Thank you.
my 06 250x likes to make a little rattle noise when its cold and is at idle, when it warms up it doesnt do it. looked around and people said the starter clutch. what would you think it would be? also my kickstart seems to turn the starter as well when it try to use it sometimes. what would be the issue for that? thanks in advanced.
I got crf250x. Put a new battery -starter relay clicks - so I put new brush kit in starter motor - put back together same So I took it back off - the new brush kit makes starter feel tight .. has Skme tension when spinning by hand - I have to have it tested but do you have an suggestions - should I juts get a new starter while it’s apart
@@nickrichey7926 Ended up needing a new starter ..the rebuild kit didn’t work out right for some reason If starter is froze relay will click or relay is bad that usually cheap Starter is tricky to replace.. in manual they say take head off which I think is over kill ...I did it without taking head off carefully it goes into place carefull on splines .. there’s some videos up on similar starters
hey dude... listen you seem to know your stuff with these hondas and i wondered if you could help me out? my bike is actually an R complete bike with an x engine purely for the starter motor. now it kicks first time every time and runs like a dream perfect bike. fresh build top and bottom and carb inc the midgasket. jd fuel screw boyseen quickshot 2 etc. no matter what i do it simply will not spark when i use the button. ive wired a bettery starter relay button clutch switch trailtech upgraded stator and rectifier everything does what it should exactly the way i want it too other then no matter what i do it will not start on the button.. it turns great, at a real good speed or so you would think like it sounds faster then any of my pals bikes that are the same but no spark. now if i kick it with the button pressed it sparks and starts as soon as i kick. if the plug is out it sparks all day long so its like its not turning fast enough but it really sounds like it is. and ive had other honda 250xs the same year 08 start theres next to mine and if anything its faster then theres so i believe there is something wrong. have you any suggestions?
@@MasonGeorgeMotorcycles hello fella. complete working 08 250R dual pipe bike. removed complete engine and battery tray from a working X but absolutely nothing else from an X. i do not know if it started on the button before. i have had the bike running perfectly as expected on the kick... its a little rich on the jetting tbh but it works fine. absolutely fine. 2 kicks at most. decidced i want to wire the button not really needing the rest. i wired myself in battery starter relay clutch switch and starter button. it turned over great just didnt spark. i figured that the stock r stator probably didnt have the windings for low rpm spark so i decided to get a trailtech stator kit with rec/reg this is now all wired in and works. battery charges to full led front light works everything exactly as you would expect but it simplly doesnt start on the button still. i reshimmed the valves a bit loose by accident and it ran like shit but fired up on the button a good few times until battery died so i put it on charge again and made the valves bang on spec. turned it over with a plug in and another plug in the lead and it sparked all day long so i built the bike back together again totally and now the fucker wont start on the button again lol
The Kick start and E-start are two seperate systems. The slipping reduction gear will prevent the E-Starter from turning over the engine consistently. The starter motor is spinning, BUT the engine is not turning over very well. I TIG welded my reduction gear and have not had That problem again.... NOW, The one-way clutch OR Sprag Clutch can be be two different symptoms. 1. IF the E-starter sounds like it is being spun when Kick-starting, That means the one-way is 'Locked'. I find that if I get the engine started the one-way will usually 'Unlock' itself until I try to kick start the bike and it 'Kicks back' or back-fires... Then the one-way seems to get 'Locked-up' again.
Yeah this is exactly what’s going on with my bike, takes a while to get it to start then pretty much won’t start once it’s hot and turned off. My question is will it start easier once all this is fixed?
@@MasonGeorgeMotorcycles I have a problem with both starters, when the electric kick starter fails, something inside also does not turn, after a few kicks it gets better and now it can start with both? "the reduction gear from the clip"
Hello I have 09' x and the electric start run, but the engine don't, sometimes takes a lot of time and start, I was using just the kick starter. What can be the problem? Thanks
Mason George Motorcycles thank you, I already find the company in ebay "Ideal Engine parts co" So I have to buy the stater reduction from them and also the starter clutch or it would better the oem honda starter clutch? Thank you
Help. Dirt Happy Memorial Day to all. 2016 450x, dumped on the right side in a trail this morning. Right after the electrical start did not work. Would not turn over. Spent the rest of the day riding and kick starting. Now I home I checked the batter, reads fully charged. I checked the Main fuse. Looks fine, replaced and still doesn’t turn over. Any advise would be much appreciated. TIA
Hugo Gordillo Could be a number of things especially with the crash. I would jump the solenoid and see if it turns over, if it does it’s something simple like a connection and if it doesn’t you have bigger problems.
It depends on what part is acting up. A lot of times if the starter clutch or gear goes bad it will work sometimes and then spin others… if the starter goes bad normally it won’t do anything.
My 450L just decided it doesn't wanna start in gear. Was pretty shitty downshifting and stalling then I couldn't fire it up in gear. Think its the same problem?
The reduction gear should be one piece machined hardened steel. Honda is going down the drain in quality with there new stuff being made in Taiwan and China.
Sad but true!
Its done that way so it doesn't dammage the motor from kick back. Kick back can brake the cases or the starter. No throttle when starting. Alsos the gears at the one way clutch thad it rides on and against need to be replaced when doing the 1 way they are where items.
@@HanSolo-yd2pf You are absolutely correct. I much rather replace the press fit gears than the cases or the starter. And worse that having to replace the cases is getting stuck in the middle of nowhere with a bike you can't ride at all. The original CRF450X had a problem with kick back when starting. In 2008 Honda went with a new design on the decompression mechanism on the cam shaft and now they start much easier with very little kickback.
*** HONDA JUST RELEASED A BULLETIN *** Like many others I just experienced this problem a few weeks ago. I have a 2020 CRF450X with ONLY 100 miles. Bike pretty much left me stranded would not start, long story took it to Honda dealership. They quoted me over $700 because not only did my reduction gear go out, it caused damaged to other parts (sorry not a mechanic dude so not sure all the name of the other parts). Anyway Honda did not want to cover the cost, so I agreed to pay out of pocket, turns out while my dirt bike was there waiting for parts another pretty much brand new dirtbike came if for the same problem. The Honda dealership worked with Honda, and Honda agreed to repair both bikes at no cost. Although I am relieved they did so, I was about to pay out of pocket had that other bike not come in. Honda knows this is a problem and they should right away start sending recalls instead of customers going thorough what I went through.
Has anyone found an updated aftermarket reduction gear for the 450RL?
Hey, Does anyone know where to buy reduction gear for 250X? I've read all the comments and searched all the internet but found only 450X parts :(
My 2009 250x starts perfectly when cold, but once the bike gets hot riding slow PNW gnar, the starter barely turns over - like a dead battery. I installed a new Yuasa battery, but no change. Can this be caused by those gears you showed? Or simply an old starter motor that needs replacing?
Appreciate your thoughts
that’s exactly what is happening with mine
Most likely it’s a combination of things. First of all I would check your valves, specifically the exhaust valves I would bet that they’re tight. Secondly make sure that the decompression lever is working correctly and lastly I would check to make sure that the battery is charging when the bike is running. If everything is checking out good then a new battery might be an order. 🏁
Hey great video, the link to the aftermarket part is not working anymore and I am in need of it! Do you have a current link? Thanks man
If the links not working you’re gonna have to do some googling because I’m not sure what the companies name was that made the part.
Would you recommend a crf450x? Im looking into buying a 2007 model with 80 hours.
They’re not bad, but any four stroke that’s 10 years or older is probably going to need some work.
My starter wouldn’t crank be because cause of a bad stator
Hey man, I have. 2022 450RL. What is the best starter reduction gear and starter clutch for me to get?
Any solutions for the RL family? Ideal has a replacement gear, wondering if it's redesigned.
It sounds like a few folks are having the same problem I am but I haven't heard an answer to the question of "could this also be the reduction gear or starter clutch etc.?" What I am referring to is this - Problem: when the engine is hot, even though after having run perfectly, and after having started just fine cold (and many other times after that during a ride day) suddenly - the starter won't turn the engine over AND the engine is super hard to kick over and won't start because it's impossible to turn the engine over fast enough - because there is a drag on the motor - like the starter won't disengage or something. Another way to describe it is it feels like you're trying to kick it over with it in gear with the clutch out - even though the bike is in neutral. The only way I could get the bike to run again was on a steep downhill - in neutral (too much resistance to gain enough momentum if in gear even though the clutch is in). Once in neutral and plenty of momentum, pop it into gear and drop the clutch (ie bump start it) and it will overcome the resistance, start up - and run perfectly again. Before I just start tearing down and replacing parts has anyone experienced this and does anyone know what is causing the resistance? Again, could it be the reduction gear, is there some centrifugal bearing? could it be the starter clutch, or is it just THE clutch? Any help would be appreciated before I just start tearing it down and replacing parts. I've had to fix/replace just about everything else on this beast - couldn't agree more, my almost 20 year old KTM RFS engine dirt bikes have been way more reliable and problem free - and my 300 2-stroke - the best of them all. I have so much into this CRF at this point I need to fix it - even if I decide to sell it (don't want to sell it with the problem even though I easily could because for some reason it doesn't happen until after I'm deep into a hard day of hot weather riding.)
@@sspmoto you just have to take it apart and look at the components.
@@MasonGeorgeMotorcycles I don't disagree with you I'm just curious if anyone else in this thread - or you - have seen this same problem and perhaps resolved it.
I have a 2020 crf 450 r and the starter spins foe just a second but then stops. But if I jump across the starter sylinoid it turns the motor over. I replaced the shlinoid you think the gear is bad?
Did you ever figure it out?
I have the same year and just blips on the starter then nothing. Once in a while it would start. Did the solenoid fix your issue??
I replaced the reduction gear on mine, but it didn't solve the problem. (Though my gear had some wear on it, so may have contributed to my problem.) I also had to replace the "ONE-WAY CLUTCH" bearing. (Part #28125-MEY-671). It's easy to do when you already have the case open.
You didn't exactly help us man, you didn't tell
us what worked for you to solve your issue..
Why make us guess..
@@bikersoncall yeah, I had to replace the one way clutch bearing.
Cool, thanks..
3:00 Can you spot weld it before it causes trouble?
20 seconds later,,,,,'',they make one with a keyway'', yeah I would get that
before it starts acting up..
You can take the cam chain tensioner off and have access. I have done it. This is a great video. Thanks for sharing.
You can, but you’re taking a risk of it jumping time. Thanks
@@MasonGeorgeMotorcycles if you don't turn over the engine, there is no way it will jump time. Not possible.
@@RealSuburbanCowboy I just don’t take those kind of chances. The engine can easily get bumped over while working on it.
Hey Bud, I got a 22crf450rx and it starts, but it's really loud when it's turning over. I put an aftermarket starter on it (1st mistake) and it was still loud. Put a Honda reduction gear on it and it's still loud. Then the teeth on the crappy starter literally wore off the first day and then the starter was free spinning. Put the original starter back on and now I'm back to the original loud high pitch noise when it turns over. Starts fine just loud as hell, especially when it's cold. Got any direction you can point me in.
Without hearing it, that’s a tough one. Have you reached out to your local dealer to see if they have had any similar issues? Normally on a newer bike like that the dealer can offer some assistance and normally it won’t cost you anything.
@@MasonGeorgeMotorcycles yeah, I'm going to pull it apart tomorrow and check the one way clutch. This all started when I was picking my bike up from a fall and inadvertently had the throttle open a little when I hit the button and it hickuped pretty bad. After that it's been really loud. For some stupid reason I thought the gear reduction gear was the one way clutch. But thanks a ton.
How tight is your idler gear (gear that the starter turns?) Curious cause im having some issues
@@ethanfitch5379 free as a bird, even replaced it.
Or in and out if you’re working on the bike
2022 CRF250RX bike will crank but sounds like no fire, kill switch will not flash blue only orange (red).....
Hmmm not sure what that could be. With it being that knew I would call the dealer and see what they say.
Does this make the bike Hart to kick start to I have had my valves clearance don't too but we still can't fing the problem it's electronic Start to
Is there another supplier for this starter reduction gear? It looks like Ideal Engine Parts Co. no longer sells this.
I’d look on eBay, a few companies had them available when I made this video. 👍
Do you need to replace the starter clutch housing or can you buy the new clutch and insert it into the original starter clutch housing?
@@jimmelino3361 on this bike, the starter clutch wasn’t the problem, but I believe you can buy them as one piece
@MasonGeorgeMotorcycles - Thanks - I’ve ordered the clutch insert separate from the housing but the insert doesn’t easily slip into the housing. Wondering if I should have purchased them together.
@@MasonGeorgeMotorcycles - ordered the clutch insert separately - do you think I can successfully mount it into the housing?
My starter trun when i try to kick start my back it a 06 crf250x
I did this to my 250x and my bike still turns over forever and still dosent start
This has nothing to do with starter but when its winter my bike runs fine but when it gets hot outside after a little bit of riding it just starts to bog down and I have to let it cool off for atleast 5 mins but it only does this when hot outside any clue what may be wrong? Crf250x
Hi mate I’m a little confused about my crf450 2017 my starter clutch isn’t engaging with my clutch everything spins apart from my clutch basket
Sounds like a bad starter clutch
Hi! Please tell me if it is possible to remove the electric starter without removing the cylinder on the CRF250x?
Yes it’s a tight fit but you can get it out, if I remember correctly you have to takeoff the cam chain tensioner though.
@@MasonGeorgeMotorcycles Thank you so much for your answer, bro!
Have 450X & I can’t see any way of not having to take the whole head off just because Honda couldn’t put the chain tensioner 1/2” closer in! Use to love Honda worked on all their buildings in Torrance for years, now I hate them. Wish I still had my ‘84 CRF 250 2 stroke. That thing was a rocket & would keep up if not beat the new bikes. Gave it to a friend cuz Honda didn’t sell parts anymore but he found aftermarket ones started racing it, and even though he hadn’t raced before started winning on my old Red Tocket!!!
I appreciate the video helped me find my problem can you send me another link for that aftermarket starter reduction gear. I click on your link and it doesn’t pop up.
Sorry I don’t have a current link
Do you know after how many hours this is happening?
Excellent show Mason!
Thanks for the tip . I have the same issue 😕
Great video, thanks for sharing your knowledge!
I am having this issue with a 2020 CRF 450r but I am unable to find the aftermarket part. Can someone please help? Is there a way to modify the oem part by welding together
Did you have any luck ? I’ve got a 2019 😭 no longer starting
I have a 2020 450r with what I think is the same problem
Thought you can’t buy 2 Strokes anymore otherwise I would have bought one!!
KTM and Yamaha sell brand-new two strokes!
what's the symptom for the things you describe? My starter spins but doesn't grab. Should I open it up ?
Yup!
1300km and its fucked !
Does this cover an issue I have with the crf250x? I have a 2004 crf 250x and I can kick it over but when im in the trail I like to use the electric start. My problem is that on my bike I have to sit holding the electric start for what feels like forever but my friend who has the sane bike but has his rebuilt starts up by just tapping the e-start when the bike is warmed up.
Try adjusting the fuel screw, maybe?
Eu tenho aqui no brasil está sem centelha na vela
I'm having a e-start problem on my 2013 CRF250X. What is the part number on the aftermarket starter reduction gear? I can't find it anywhere. Thank you.
I’m sorry but I don’t know the part number off the top of my head so you’re gonna have to do some googling or take it to a shop.
I've been looking for several days and can only find the part number for the 450 part. Thanks for the quick reply. I appreciate the video.
Hey do you know if they fixed this in the 2020 model, mine starts fine but sounds really rough and grinding
I believe so
R these problems the same on a 2017 150
my 06 250x likes to make a little rattle noise when its cold and is at idle, when it warms up it doesnt do it. looked around and people said the starter clutch. what would you think it would be? also my kickstart seems to turn the starter as well when it try to use it sometimes. what would be the issue for that? thanks in advanced.
It’s hard to say but I can’t imagine the starter clutch making noise when the bike is running though
At least it has a kick start too
I got crf250x. Put a new battery -starter relay clicks - so I put new brush kit in starter motor - put back together same
So I took it back off - the new brush kit makes starter feel tight .. has Skme tension when spinning by hand - I have to have it tested but do you have an suggestions - should I juts get a new starter while it’s apart
Having the same issue. Did you find the solution to a clicking relay?
@@nickrichey7926
Ended up needing a new starter ..the rebuild kit didn’t work out right for some reason
If starter is froze relay will click or relay is bad that usually cheap
Starter is tricky to replace.. in manual they say take head off which I think is over kill ...I did it without taking head off carefully it goes into place carefull on splines .. there’s some videos up on similar starters
hey dude... listen you seem to know your stuff with these hondas and i wondered if you could help me out? my bike is actually an R complete bike with an x engine purely for the starter motor. now it kicks first time every time and runs like a dream perfect bike. fresh build top and bottom and carb inc the midgasket. jd fuel screw boyseen quickshot 2 etc. no matter what i do it simply will not spark when i use the button. ive wired a bettery starter relay button clutch switch trailtech upgraded stator and rectifier everything does what it should exactly the way i want it too other then no matter what i do it will not start on the button.. it turns great, at a real good speed or so you would think like it sounds faster then any of my pals bikes that are the same but no spark. now if i kick it with the button pressed it sparks and starts as soon as i kick. if the plug is out it sparks all day long so its like its not turning fast enough but it really sounds like it is. and ive had other honda 250xs the same year 08 start theres next to mine and if anything its faster then theres so i believe there is something wrong. have you any suggestions?
Did the electric start work when the engine was in the previous bike and did you transfer the complete wiring harness?
@@MasonGeorgeMotorcycles hello fella.
complete working 08 250R dual pipe bike.
removed complete engine and battery tray from a working X but absolutely nothing else from an X. i do not know if it started on the button before.
i have had the bike running perfectly as expected on the kick... its a little rich on the jetting tbh but it works fine. absolutely fine. 2 kicks at most.
decidced i want to wire the button not really needing the rest. i wired myself in battery starter relay clutch switch and starter button. it turned over great just didnt spark. i figured that the stock r stator probably didnt have the windings for low rpm spark so i decided to get a trailtech stator kit with rec/reg this is now all wired in and works. battery charges to full led front light works everything exactly as you would expect but it simplly doesnt start on the button still.
i reshimmed the valves a bit loose by accident and it ran like shit but fired up on the button a good few times until battery died so i put it on charge again and made the valves bang on spec. turned it over with a plug in and another plug in the lead and it sparked all day long so i built the bike back together again totally and now the fucker wont start on the button again lol
Same thing used to happen on the old ascot thumpers.
The Kick start and E-start are two seperate systems. The slipping reduction gear will prevent the E-Starter from turning over the engine consistently. The starter motor is spinning, BUT the engine is not turning over very well. I TIG welded my reduction gear and have not had That problem again....
NOW, The one-way clutch OR Sprag Clutch can be be two different symptoms. 1. IF the E-starter sounds like it is being spun when Kick-starting, That means the one-way is 'Locked'. I find that if I get the engine started the one-way will usually 'Unlock' itself until I try to kick start the bike and it 'Kicks back' or back-fires... Then the one-way seems to get 'Locked-up' again.
Yeah this is exactly what’s going on with my bike, takes a while to get it to start then pretty much won’t start once it’s hot and turned off. My question is will it start easier once all this is fixed?
Could you share an updated link for that oem part again please, current link is broken on ebay.
Sorry I don’t have a current link
@@MasonGeorgeMotorcycles hey buddy thanks for the video! Do you by chance know a name of a seller that has this pieces?. Thanks!
@@arnulph2379 sorry but I don’t
how did it hold up? just ordered mine a couple days ago for my 450er
still holding up great!
Please make a video of exactly how you download it!
Download what?
@@MasonGeorgeMotorcycles I have a problem with both starters, when the electric kick starter fails, something inside also does not turn, after a few kicks it gets better and now it can start with both?
"the reduction gear from the clip"
Great vid
Glad it helped!
Hello I have 09' x and the electric start run, but the engine don't, sometimes takes a lot of time and start, I was using just the kick starter. What can be the problem? Thanks
HowiE Either the starter clutch or the starter reduction gear is bad. Thanks for tuning in👍🏻🏁
Mason George Motorcycles thank you, I already find the company in ebay "Ideal Engine parts co" So I have to buy the stater reduction from them and also the starter clutch or it would better the oem honda starter clutch? Thank you
Help. Dirt Happy Memorial Day to all.
2016 450x, dumped on the right side in a trail this morning. Right after the electrical start did not work. Would not turn over. Spent the rest of the day riding and kick starting. Now I home I checked the batter, reads fully charged. I checked the Main fuse. Looks fine, replaced and still doesn’t turn over. Any advise would be much appreciated. TIA
Hugo Gordillo Could be a number of things especially with the crash. I would jump the solenoid and see if it turns over, if it does it’s something simple like a connection and if it doesn’t you have bigger problems.
Mason George Motorcycles Thank you Mason. What city are you in by the way?
what happens to the bike?if that is the issue?
It depends on what part is acting up. A lot of times if the starter clutch or gear goes bad it will work sometimes and then spin others… if the starter goes bad normally it won’t do anything.
@@MasonGeorgeMotorcycles if you kick the starter will it spin with the starter?
My 450L just decided it doesn't wanna start in gear. Was pretty shitty downshifting and stalling then I couldn't fire it up in gear. Think its the same problem?