Great comparison. I'm actually surprised at how well the 1" sensor performs in low light. Previously any additional gain would have looked terrible without more shadow detail to show for it
Thanks for posting. I think the settings for the Z200 can be changed for a better performance. What scene file was used? It seems the Z200 has quite a bit of low mids to low end that could be brightened in the menu settings. I don't want to call it mud or crushed blacks but the FX6 has much less of this. Since it is a new camera, are you sure the ND system was not engaged? :) But yes, at 36dB, the Z200 does not look that bad. On another note - which shade of orange was correct for the "urgent care" sign?
Thanks for sharing your test footage. I’m impressed the Z200 actually holds up to 21dB gain. I have the Z190 and anything above 0dB gain looks horrible 😱 and is completely unusable.
This Sony Camcorder is a tool for specific purposes...live events and such...where I would either use some lights or there will be some stage lighting...but it's not bad til gain 18 or so...forget comparing it against the FX6-nothing can beat that but great for reference...is the Z200 much better in low light than the previous Sony 4k cameras like the Z190 or the much more expensive Z280? I hope someone compares the Z200 against the Z190 and the Z280...thanks for the video
You can't do a "0db" for "0db" comparison on these cameras. You should ONLY do an ISO for ISO comparison! Why? Because "0db" is analog pre-amped from the sensor to reach a certain ISO target. One camera can have a "0db" of 200 ISO and another camera can have it's "0db" amped to 800 ISO. In other words, "0db" on every camera model can be ALL over the place. The FX6 has TWO "0db"s. It's "low" 0db is 800 ISO and it's has a "high" 0db is 12,000!!!. You are comparing a camera with it's 0db at possibly 200 ISO with another camera with at it's "high" 0db cranked up to 12,000 ISO. Can you delete this video and retest using ISO instead of gain on both cameras?
I always use dB whenever possible. Why? Because no one can possibly keep track of the base ISO of every camera in every color profile. But base dB is always 0. I have a similar video with the FX6 in low base mode. These tests aren't necessarily designed to be scientific, they are designed to be practical as it pertains to real world use.
@@evomedia8611 - I come from the ENG camera world of gain too. Using gain is perfectly fine! Every +6db of gain will give you 1 stop. If you take a 400 ISO base 0db and add +6db, you get 800 ISO. +6 db more will give you 1600 ISO...etc Everbody that watches this NEEDS to know that 0db on one camera can be radically different then 0db on a different camera. Camera #1 can can have a 400 ISO 0db base. Camera #2 can literally have a 4,000 ISO 0db base! (Sony IMX272 sensor vs IMX410 sensor) This is why only comparing 0db on two different cameras is pretty worthless.
@@CLIFFLIX I think most people watching this video understand that very rarely are you going to find 2 different camera models with the same lux at the same ISO or dB level. That's why I switched the FX6 back to 0 dB while I cranked up the Z200, to see how they compare to one another, to see where about the Z200 can match the FX6's gain, and to see how far one can push the Z200 until noise becomes too much. +18 is about where it matches the FX6 High Base gain mode, and that's about where I'd say noise becomes too noticeable for a proper shoot.
Very sensible and informative video. I appreciate the time you spent doing this. It is greatly appreciated. I'm about to get the Z200 at B&H.
Great comparison. I'm actually surprised at how well the 1" sensor performs in low light. Previously any additional gain would have looked terrible without more shadow detail to show for it
Thank you for this great comparison. Any way to test it in 4K instead of HD?
Did you have ND switched OFF on the Z200???
My thoughts exactly. There should be noticeable improvements with that much increase in gain.
Thanks for posting. I think the settings for the Z200 can be changed for a better performance. What scene file was used? It seems the Z200 has quite a bit of low mids to low end that could be brightened in the menu settings. I don't want to call it mud or crushed blacks but the FX6 has much less of this. Since it is a new camera, are you sure the ND system was not engaged? :) But yes, at 36dB, the Z200 does not look that bad.
On another note - which shade of orange was correct for the "urgent care" sign?
Thanks for sharing your test footage. I’m impressed the Z200 actually holds up to 21dB gain. I have the Z190 and anything above 0dB gain looks horrible 😱 and is completely unusable.
high base is the reason. fx6 is definitely a low light beast
Shouldn't there be Lo in FX6?
This Sony Camcorder is a tool for specific purposes...live events and such...where I would either use some lights or there will be some stage lighting...but it's not bad til gain 18 or so...forget comparing it against the FX6-nothing can beat that but great for reference...is the Z200 much better in low light than the previous Sony 4k cameras like the Z190 or the much more expensive Z280? I hope someone compares the Z200 against the Z190 and the Z280...thanks for the video
Good test Evo Media.
This was an interesting comparison. I wouldn't use the z200 in a low light situation.
Also, let's not forget that high-base on the FX6 is 12,800 ISO
That only applies to S Log 3. This video was shot using S-Cinetone which has base ISOs of 320 and 5000.
What lens on the fx6? That has to be factored in.
Sigma 24-70 at f2.8.
very good test thanx
Night and day, literally.
This camera deserves a DCG sensor
You can't do a "0db" for "0db" comparison on these cameras. You should ONLY do an ISO for ISO comparison! Why? Because "0db" is analog pre-amped from the sensor to reach a certain ISO target. One camera can have a "0db" of 200 ISO and another camera can have it's "0db" amped to 800 ISO. In other words, "0db" on every camera model can be ALL over the place. The FX6 has TWO "0db"s. It's "low" 0db is 800 ISO and it's has a "high" 0db is 12,000!!!. You are comparing a camera with it's 0db at possibly 200 ISO with another camera with at it's "high" 0db cranked up to 12,000 ISO. Can you delete this video and retest using ISO instead of gain on both cameras?
I always use dB whenever possible. Why? Because no one can possibly keep track of the base ISO of every camera in every color profile. But base dB is always 0. I have a similar video with the FX6 in low base mode. These tests aren't necessarily designed to be scientific, they are designed to be practical as it pertains to real world use.
@@evomedia8611 - I come from the ENG camera world of gain too. Using gain is perfectly fine! Every +6db of gain will give you 1 stop. If you take a 400 ISO base 0db and add +6db, you get 800 ISO. +6 db more will give you 1600 ISO...etc Everbody that watches this NEEDS to know that 0db on one camera can be radically different then 0db on a different camera. Camera #1 can can have a 400 ISO 0db base. Camera #2 can literally have a 4,000 ISO 0db base! (Sony IMX272 sensor vs IMX410 sensor) This is why only comparing 0db on two different cameras is pretty worthless.
@@CLIFFLIX I think most people watching this video understand that very rarely are you going to find 2 different camera models with the same lux at the same ISO or dB level. That's why I switched the FX6 back to 0 dB while I cranked up the Z200, to see how they compare to one another, to see where about the Z200 can match the FX6's gain, and to see how far one can push the Z200 until noise becomes too much. +18 is about where it matches the FX6 High Base gain mode, and that's about where I'd say noise becomes too noticeable for a proper shoot.
Up until 24db on the z200 the noise is def doable but it gets BAD anything after that hmmmm
Compress the file enough in the edit and it all smooths out, even 36db :)
@@paulanderegg5536 The noise level is unacceptable in low light though, and simply compressing it doesn't make it go away.