David I’m impressed - outstanding video review. I’m currently looking at a basic K 80 pro sporter for sporting clay. Despite the fact that I’m not very good nobody has a better time than I do shooting. Very comprehensive and helpful video. Thanks for making it.
Thanks Dave, very informative video with an easy know what you are talking about style. No preaching, just telling us how you found it. Likes it a lot.
I had the pleasure of owning a parcours with both a 32” and 34” barrel. While I didn’t find the 32” “whippy”, I did come to conclusion that it is too light in the barrels. The 34” barrel I felt resolved this issue by putting the weight just a tad further out. Like you, I absolutely hated the rib on the X barrel and feel it’s a solution to a problem that imo doesn’t exist. Ultimately as my shooting improved, I found that the 32” K-80 sporter was the best gun for me.
I am a high 80's low 90's shooter with my ("gulp") Browning 325 and am debating between a Parcours 32" and Kolar Max Clays 32". This is a great video because the B325 is extremely light compared to today's guns, and I have spent 30+ years whipping that thing around. I, too, shoot gun down. This probably swayed me to a 32" Parcours with the extended chokes.
Great video Dave. Would be great to see a similar review on the Zoli you mentioned. You covered all the good points. Wondering about Zoli barrels and felt recoil vs Perazzi. Thanks
The Zoli video and several others will be coming as soon as I get my new mic system that was back ordered and we finally get some decent weather. Spring has been awfully slow getting here. Lots of rain and lots of wind and not much heat.
THIS is a review! Not some guy giving some useless information and spending the rest of the video focused on him shooting the gun. And as for his statement about how many young kids are out there shooting Krieghoffs.........wow, is that ever true in my neck of the woods! I pull a lot of sporting clays tournaments and he's right!
G'day from Australia. I eventually got hands on a k80 sporter yesterday, wasn't a fan of the step on the rib. I didnt know tapered rib is standard. Dont like any kind of stepped rib, so if I go Krieghoff its going to be a pacours. I shoot clays not game and everyone is saying the pacours is too light. Yet it weighs the same as a blaser f3, which ive tried and like a lot.
I've shot most of the K-guns and they shoot well. But I am lost on which one of all the different models I want or would suit me best. So I am back to shopping Beretta DT11's. It's just too confusing for me.
David, may I ask what discipline you mainly shoot and what your averages are out of a hundred birds, eg English sporting / Fitasc. Many thanks from Old Blighty (U K). PS. JUST SUBSCRIBED.
Gerald, I only have one good eye, and even then I get to “enjoy” being partially red/green deficient. I’m a month away from 70 and just found out while watching a video on the Uishihara color blind test that there are numbers in the dots for red/green people to see. For the most part, I don’t see anything but dots. As such, sporting, with it’s tree backgrounds has never been kind to me. I am a Fitasc guy. I can usually see the targets better. The new American Field Sporting seems a fun game as well. I haven’t shot much competition the last few years. I’ve had a triple bypass, had an Achilles’ tendon rebuilt, got hammered by Covid and have rheumatoid arthritis. The RA has messed with my hands to the point pulling the trigger can be a grand adventure. It’s a six hour drive to get to a good Fitasc shoot, four hours to targets that aren’t what I would call good. If I hit a parcour where I can see the targets well, the results are encouraging. Bad light and I wonder why I’m wasting the time and money. I have eight traps of my own and am more inclined to stay home, shoot targets I can see and if I have a bad body day, have a much shorter drive home, where I’ll swear I should give it up. An hour later, I’ll have hatched a grand scheme to work around the problem and will be back at it to see if it works. Throw all that in the hat and averages aren’t relative to the effort. I’m just trying to get this old bag of bones to function. “Back in the day, I shot into master class on Fitasc punches and expected to be in the mid to upper 80’s. I wrote for major shotgunning magazines for twenty years, worked in the trade, learned a fair bit about fitting and performed a fair bit of stock modifications for myself and others. But there was never any danger of me winning a world championship. 😉
Agreed on seeing the rib. It’s a weight adjustment tool on the barrels, without being labeled as such. K isn’t the only manufacturer to use it in that way.
Honestly, the Z guns can hold their own against either of the two models you mention. If you have the patience to wait on a custom ordered Perazzi, you may gain some advantage by a stock that fits better. Of course, for less money, you could custom stock the Zoli. We all deal with the bug to get a new gun and that’s totally understandable, but it’s easy to get to the point where we aren’t necessarily buying a “better” gun, just a different one. Ask yourself what you would like to change about the Zoli, then, as devoid of passion as you can be, see which of the other guns offers those features and give one a try. It’s enjoyable to do and a road often traveled. The Z, K and P have differences in feel. You are the only one who can figure out which is best for you. The quality is there in all three. Unfortunately, the performance relies on us.
Excellent review Dave Thank you. What’s your opinion on the Zoli vs the K80 ?? Just got my first used Z sport High rib and shit it today for my first time and finally realized high rib sporting guns are not for me. So now do I try a lower rib Zoli or try a K80 Sporter ?? Thank you
I am an absolute Zoli fan. I’ve owned about every flavor of them over the years and have an Evo sitting downstairs as I write this. I have RA and as a consequence, triggers and grips are my priority in a shotgun now. If I shoot a gun with a heavy trigger reset pressure, relatively speaking, my trigger finger gets sore and stiff in pretty short order. The average shooter wouldn’t notice, but I do. The K trigger treats my hand much more kindly than the Zoli ( or any other brand I’ve shot lately). I also like the slightly slimmer grip the K gun offers. It helps keep my small hand from screwing up by letting the trigger finger drop onto the stock. My hand is such that I don’t notice it happening until I’ve messed up because of it happening. I’ve also figured out that I needed another 1/8” offset, from 3/8’s to 1/2”. That takes care of the constant aggravation in my neck and shoulder. It sucks too get old and dainty! I have cut offset into stocks for years and have a lovely fiddleback stock for the Evo that I trimmed up, cutting all the offset I could get into it and reducing the grip circumference. The grip was also reprofiled. It feels great, except I still need the extra offset. My first Krieghoff “cure” was a standard K80. It took me a long time to get comfortable with it and even then, the front end weight would get my lower back aching. I got to really liking it. It’s 9 pounds was well balanced, but proved a bit more than I could handle for a full afternoon’s shooting. My current and likely last solution from Krieghoff is a fixed choke parcour with a K80 stock re-inlet at the head for extra offset and with a trigger overhaul. It weighs 8lb 8 oz, enough weight to tame recoil, but not enough to bother my back. Even then, with the comb set all the way over, I was still getting pressure on my jaw that still led to headaches. My solution was too simply reverse the comb, putting the skinny part on the back of the comb. So when I saw I prefer my ParK80 over the Zoli, it has nothing to do with the overall build quality of the brands and everything to do with being able to get what I needed for my dainty disposition from the Krieghoff. The issue to pay attention to with the K80 sporter is the weight. It doesn’t work for everyone. The Zoli is a less expensive option that IMHO doesn’t require one to settle for a lesser gun. The Zoli design lets one change firing pins at home. The Krieghoff requires someone who knows what they are doing and freight isn’t cheap. The recent K gun price increase tips the scales a bit more toward the Zoli for many shooters. I couldn’t afford the all the guns and have a bruised and battered retirement account to prove it
@@daveholmes6407 hi David, appreciate the info, I shot the Z sport HR yesterday for the first time and realized no matter how much I want to or think I can get used to and settle for a high rib gun, even tho I have a longer neck, it just doesn’t feel right not having my head crammed down on the stock like I’ve been doing since 75’ with all shotguns. Very frustrating. This is the issue to when wanting something new to try, without being able to go and shoot to demo them, it’s a huge ramble spending big money and hoping for the best. Living north of our American friends, the people who own these high end guns are usually good to let you try their guns but we really need to shoot a round with them to know for sure and that’s asking a bit much. This is my first Zoli and yes it feels good to mount, aesthetically it’s beautiful but so are berettas and Perazzi and neither of those two can I shoot. Not sure what direction to go now, maybe try a Z sport low or mid rib and see if they work.
@@FYMM69 I was almost a year and a half working with the K80 (off and on) before I started to feel comfortable with it. Well, other than the weight. The Parcour/K80 stock has been about 4 months. we're starting to feel like friends, but I'm still capable of a trigger hand relapse at any time. I honestly think a six month adjustment period to a new gun is to be expected. I've heard some very good shooters say a year. the unknown in the equation is how much different the new gun is than the old. I went with a high rib for a year before I decided that although I shot it reasonably well for me, I didn't think there was the potential for improvement that I was hoping for. With the ParK80 as I call my hybrid, I've found three sets of stock dimensions that I thought were great. Each has been higher than the last. I've simply changed my head position a bit as I've gone along. Now targets break at significant distances when the picture is right. I think I'm done, although looping target can be a bit problematic, depending on the day. There might be another slight change on the horizon. You may want to give that high rib a bit more of a run before you can it. I'm not a fan of crammed faces during gun mounts. That may be an indication that more than one dimension is off and you are jamming your face into the gun to compensate. Obviously, that is just a guess, but it's based on quite a few years of experience.
Good video Dave 34" barrels I've never shot. A friend of mine has a K-80 with 30" barrels he shoots AA class. I subscribe to your channel. I have a 694 Beretta with 30" barrels a well balance gun what's your thoughts on the 694 mid range priced gun?
This was the second time I’ve shot 34’s. The first was on a Perazzi High Tech. Those barrels were light for 34’s as well. The owner didn’t have it very long so I only had a chance at a few rounds with it. I wasn’t negatively impressed but didn’t worry about trying to get one either. IMHO, barrel length can never logically discussed separately from barrel weight. If 34’s are light they’re manageable. That will vary from one shooter to the next. I haven’t handled or shot a 694 to date, but Rich Cole likes them and that’s good enough for me. Beretta doesn’t put much offset in their stocks and many of their target.models have pretty thick combs, making it quite a chore to get the offset I need. Hence, I don’t get too excited over them, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t great guns.
Price is what it is. Some will dismiss the gun because of the price. Others feel the features are worth the price. I really like the quality of the finish. The barrels are highly polished and slick. The epoxy finished stock also has, to me, a great feel. The engraving on the standard guns is laser engraved. I find the pattern aesthetically pleasing over all. That said if one chooses to isolate small parts of the engraving, one can perhaps find design elements that might raise an eyebrow. But, polishing takes time and time is money. Even laser engraving takes time and costs money. Hand engraving on the higher end models costs a lot. The stock shaping is a notch above many standard models. I don’t know of any other stocks that offer the range of adjustments found in the K gun stocks. I prefer the K80 stock. My arthritic hands just prefer the grip and my hands make the decision for me. I recently picked up a fixed choke lightweight barrels (1404 gram) gun and swapped a #3 Sporter stock for the Parcour stock. It has taken a little getting used to, but I have finally gotten the comb set for me and I’m really starting to enjoy it. I really like the balance in the guns. Add all that together and I would have to say that, compared to other brands, the features in the K guns can justify the price. We need to acknowledge that labor costs are higher in some countries are higher than others. Germany ranks at or near the top. Guns from Germany have always been and will likely always be, relatively high. But the quality tends to be high as well. Put it all together and my concern for others isn’t that the gun is over priced, but it is priced at a point that, for most shooters, the investment makes it imperative that the shooter gets the model that is going to work best for them. One move that I consider a smart move, is to buy a used gun. Then, given a modicum of care, one may well be able to shoot the gun for awhile and sell it for pretty much what he or she paid for it. My retirement account may still be pouting over my K guns ( I traded into a standard sporter model as well ), my heart is happy.
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Great Job Dave....wish you would do more....Thank You for your effort!
David I’m impressed - outstanding video review. I’m currently looking at a basic K 80 pro sporter for sporting clay. Despite the fact that I’m not very good nobody has a better time than I do shooting. Very comprehensive and helpful video. Thanks for making it.
Thanks for making the video, it was very informative on the gun itself but nicely stated regarding what is personal preference and what is not.
Great Job David...loads of great info!! Do More!
Thanks Dave, very informative video with an easy know what you are talking about style. No preaching, just telling us how you found it. Likes it a lot.
Thank you very much for an honest and straightforward review.
Solid video, Dave. Thank you for your thoughts!
I had the pleasure of owning a parcours with both a 32” and 34” barrel. While I didn’t find the 32” “whippy”, I did come to conclusion that it is too light in the barrels. The 34” barrel I felt resolved this issue by putting the weight just a tad further out. Like you, I absolutely hated the rib on the X barrel and feel it’s a solution to a problem that imo doesn’t exist. Ultimately as my shooting improved, I found that the 32” K-80 sporter was the best gun for me.
Great accurate and well informed video Thank you
I am a high 80's low 90's shooter with my ("gulp") Browning 325 and am debating between a Parcours 32" and Kolar Max Clays 32". This is a great video because the B325 is extremely light compared to today's guns, and I have spent 30+ years whipping that thing around. I, too, shoot gun down. This probably swayed me to a 32" Parcours with the extended chokes.
It just doesn’t right without the gap between the barrels.
Great video Dave. Would be great to see a similar review on the Zoli you mentioned. You covered all the good points. Wondering about Zoli barrels and felt recoil vs Perazzi. Thanks
The Zoli video and several others will be coming as soon as I get my new mic system that was back ordered and we finally get some decent weather. Spring has been awfully slow getting here. Lots of rain and lots of wind and not much heat.
THIS is a review! Not some guy giving some useless information and spending the rest of the video focused on him shooting the gun. And as for his statement about how many young kids are out there shooting Krieghoffs.........wow, is that ever true in my neck of the woods! I pull a lot of sporting clays tournaments and he's right!
G'day from Australia. I eventually got hands on a k80 sporter yesterday, wasn't a fan of the step on the rib. I didnt know tapered rib is standard. Dont like any kind of stepped rib, so if I go Krieghoff its going to be a pacours. I shoot clays not game and everyone is saying the pacours is too light. Yet it weighs the same as a blaser f3, which ive tried and like a lot.
I've shot most of the K-guns and they shoot well. But I am lost on which one of all the different models I want or would suit me best. So I am back to shopping Beretta DT11's. It's just too confusing for me.
David, may I ask what discipline you mainly shoot and what your averages are out of a hundred birds, eg English sporting / Fitasc. Many thanks from Old Blighty (U K). PS. JUST SUBSCRIBED.
Gerald,
I only have one good eye, and even then I get to “enjoy” being partially red/green deficient. I’m a month away from 70 and just found out while watching a video on the Uishihara color blind test that there are numbers in the dots for red/green people to see. For the most part, I don’t see anything but dots. As such, sporting, with it’s tree backgrounds has never been kind to me. I am a Fitasc guy. I can usually see the targets better. The new American Field Sporting seems a fun game as well. I haven’t shot much competition the last few years. I’ve had a triple bypass, had an Achilles’ tendon rebuilt, got hammered by Covid and have rheumatoid arthritis. The RA has messed with my hands to the point pulling the trigger can be a grand adventure. It’s a six hour drive to get to a good Fitasc shoot, four hours to targets that aren’t what I would call good. If I hit a parcour where I can see the targets well, the results are encouraging. Bad light and I wonder why I’m wasting the time and money. I have eight traps of my own and am more inclined to stay home, shoot targets I can see and if I have a bad body day, have a much shorter drive home, where I’ll swear I should give it up. An hour later, I’ll have hatched a grand scheme to work around the problem and will be back at it to see if it works. Throw all that in the hat and averages aren’t relative to the effort. I’m just trying to get this old bag of bones to function. “Back in the day, I shot into master class on Fitasc punches and expected to be in the mid to upper 80’s. I wrote for major shotgunning magazines for twenty years, worked in the trade, learned a fair bit about fitting and performed a fair bit of stock modifications for myself and others. But there was never any danger of me winning a world championship. 😉
Hmm, interesting. I have the X. It weighs 8# 7oz..I never see the rib, wide-narrow no big deal either way. Love the X.
Agreed on seeing the rib. It’s a weight adjustment tool on the barrels, without being labeled as such. K isn’t the only manufacturer to use it in that way.
I currently shoot zoli z sports. Id like to upgrade. I’m looking at the perazzi hi tech or a parcours x. Just curious which would you recommend ?
Honestly, the Z guns can hold their own against either of the two models you mention. If you have the patience to wait on a custom ordered Perazzi, you may gain some advantage by a stock that fits better. Of course, for less money, you could custom stock the Zoli. We all deal with the bug to get a new gun and that’s totally understandable, but it’s easy to get to the point where we aren’t necessarily buying a “better” gun, just a different one. Ask yourself what you would like to change about the Zoli, then, as devoid of passion as you can be, see which of the other guns offers those features and give one a try. It’s enjoyable to do and a road often traveled. The Z, K and P have differences in feel. You are the only one who can figure out which is best for you. The quality is there in all three. Unfortunately, the performance relies on us.
Excellent review Dave Thank you. What’s your opinion on the Zoli vs the K80 ?? Just got my first used Z sport High rib and shit it today for my first time and finally realized high rib sporting guns are not for me. So now do I try a lower rib Zoli or try a K80 Sporter ?? Thank you
I am an absolute Zoli fan. I’ve owned about every flavor of them over the years and have an Evo sitting downstairs as I write this. I have RA and as a consequence, triggers and grips are my priority in a shotgun now. If I shoot a gun with a heavy trigger reset pressure, relatively speaking, my trigger finger gets sore and stiff in pretty short order. The average shooter wouldn’t notice, but I do. The K trigger treats my hand much more kindly than the Zoli ( or any other brand I’ve shot lately). I also like the slightly slimmer grip the K gun offers. It helps keep my small hand from screwing up by letting the trigger finger drop onto the stock. My hand is such that I don’t notice it happening until I’ve messed up because of it happening. I’ve also figured out that I needed another 1/8” offset, from 3/8’s to 1/2”. That takes care of the constant aggravation in my neck and shoulder. It sucks too get old and dainty! I have cut offset into stocks for years and have a lovely fiddleback stock for the Evo that I trimmed up, cutting all the offset I could get into it and reducing the grip circumference. The grip was also reprofiled. It feels great, except I still need the extra offset. My first Krieghoff “cure” was a standard K80. It took me a long time to get comfortable with it and even then, the front end weight would get my lower back aching. I got to really liking it. It’s 9 pounds was well balanced, but proved a bit more than I could handle for a full afternoon’s shooting. My current and likely last solution from Krieghoff is a fixed choke parcour with a K80 stock re-inlet at the head for extra offset and with a trigger overhaul. It weighs 8lb 8 oz, enough weight to tame recoil, but not enough to bother my back. Even then, with the comb set all the way over, I was still getting pressure on my jaw that still led to headaches. My solution was too simply reverse the comb, putting the skinny part on the back of the comb. So when I saw I prefer my ParK80 over the Zoli, it has nothing to do with the overall build quality of the brands and everything to do with being able to get what I needed for my dainty disposition from the Krieghoff. The issue to pay attention to with the K80 sporter is the weight. It doesn’t work for everyone. The Zoli is a less expensive option that IMHO doesn’t require one to settle for a lesser gun. The Zoli design lets one change firing pins at home. The Krieghoff requires someone who knows what they are doing and freight isn’t cheap. The recent K gun price increase tips the scales a bit more toward the Zoli for many shooters. I couldn’t afford the all the guns and have a bruised and battered retirement account to prove it
@@daveholmes6407 hi David, appreciate the info, I shot the Z sport HR yesterday for the first time and realized no matter how much I want to or think I can get used to and settle for a high rib gun, even tho I have a longer neck, it just doesn’t feel right not having my head crammed down on the stock like I’ve been doing since 75’ with all shotguns. Very frustrating. This is the issue to when wanting something new to try, without being able to go and shoot to demo them, it’s a huge ramble spending big money and hoping for the best. Living north of our American friends, the people who own these high end guns are usually good to let you try their guns but we really need to shoot a round with them to know for sure and that’s asking a bit much. This is my first Zoli and yes it feels good to mount, aesthetically it’s beautiful but so are berettas and Perazzi and neither of those two can I shoot. Not sure what direction to go now, maybe try a Z sport low or mid rib and see if they work.
@@FYMM69 I was almost a year and a half working with the K80 (off and on) before I started to feel comfortable with it. Well, other than the weight. The Parcour/K80 stock has been about 4 months. we're starting to feel like friends, but I'm still capable of a trigger hand relapse at any time. I honestly think a six month adjustment period to a new gun is to be expected. I've heard some very good shooters say a year. the unknown in the equation is how much different the new gun is than the old. I went with a high rib for a year before I decided that although I shot it reasonably well for me, I didn't think there was the potential for improvement that I was hoping for. With the ParK80 as I call my hybrid, I've found three sets of stock dimensions that I thought were great. Each has been higher than the last. I've simply changed my head position a bit as I've gone along. Now targets break at significant distances when the picture is right. I think I'm done, although looping target can be a bit problematic, depending on the day. There might be another slight change on the horizon. You may want to give that high rib a bit more of a run before you can it. I'm not a fan of crammed faces during gun mounts. That may be an indication that more than one dimension is off and you are jamming your face into the gun to compensate. Obviously, that is just a guess, but it's based on quite a few years of experience.
Good video Dave 34" barrels I've never shot. A friend of mine has a K-80 with 30" barrels he shoots AA class.
I subscribe to your channel.
I have a 694 Beretta with 30" barrels a well balance gun what's your thoughts on the 694 mid range priced gun?
This was the second time I’ve shot 34’s. The first was on a Perazzi High Tech. Those barrels were light for 34’s as well. The owner didn’t have it very long so I only had a chance at a few rounds with it. I wasn’t negatively impressed but didn’t worry about trying to get one either. IMHO, barrel length can never logically discussed separately from barrel weight. If 34’s are light they’re manageable. That will vary from one shooter to the next.
I haven’t handled or shot a 694 to date, but Rich Cole likes them and that’s good enough for me. Beretta doesn’t put much offset in their stocks and many of their target.models have pretty thick combs, making it quite a chore to get the offset I need. Hence, I don’t get too excited over them, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t great guns.
@@daveholmes6407 Dave I understand my 694 has the B-Fast comb is a nice one for making adjustments. Thanks for your most accurate video's
Parcour vs K80 Sporting
Dave So this gun is over price?
Price is what it is. Some will dismiss the gun because of the price. Others feel the features are worth the price. I really like the quality of the finish. The barrels are highly polished and slick. The epoxy finished stock also has, to me, a great feel. The engraving on the standard guns is laser engraved. I find the pattern aesthetically pleasing over all. That said if one chooses to isolate small parts of the engraving, one can perhaps find design elements that might raise an eyebrow. But, polishing takes time and time is money. Even laser engraving takes time and costs money. Hand engraving on the higher end models costs a lot. The stock shaping is a notch above many standard models. I don’t know of any other stocks that offer the range of adjustments found in the K gun stocks. I prefer the K80 stock. My arthritic hands just prefer the grip and my hands make the decision for me. I recently picked up a fixed choke lightweight barrels (1404 gram) gun and swapped a #3 Sporter stock for the Parcour stock. It has taken a little getting used to, but I have finally gotten the comb set for me and I’m really starting to enjoy it. I really like the balance in the guns. Add all that together and I would have to say that, compared to other brands, the features in the K guns can justify the price. We need to acknowledge that labor costs are higher in some countries are higher than others. Germany ranks at or near the top. Guns from Germany have always been and will likely always be, relatively high. But the quality tends to be high as well. Put it all together and my concern for others isn’t that the gun is over priced, but it is priced at a point that, for most shooters, the investment makes it imperative that the shooter gets the model that is going to work best for them. One move that I consider a smart move, is to buy a used gun. Then, given a modicum of care, one may well be able to shoot the gun for awhile and sell it for pretty much what he or she paid for it. My retirement account may still be pouting over my K guns ( I traded into a standard sporter model as well ), my heart is happy.
Thank You Dave
Sorry I love my K-20 30” but I will not buy into the K-80 phase they are too heavy no thanks.
Did,nt you guys in US of A invent this Thing!!?? Ha Ha ...
Nope europe
No Remington 3200@@Udeus5 Germans brought `ticket`
@@sofalugger The earliest shotguns, or “Haile Shotte peics,” as they were called, date back to the 16th century in England, where they were used for hunting by the aristocracy,