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Thank you for another great video! Just to clarify. It was a wheel hub or bolt failure that caused the major scare on the car ? Would you suggest changing them on all four corners ? Was it specific to the fronts ? Do you think this should be a preventive maintenance item when buying an F12?? Thank you for another great video !!
I have to agree. It’s difficult to tell what makes you want to own a Ferrari. Finally it’s an emotional thing. A Porsche is better for 364 days of a year but for the one day the Ferrari will be the perfect car.
One reason I love this channel so much is because James isn't pretending that owning an exotic is all carefree fun like 99% of all other car youtubers do. Those other youtubers fail to mention the insane running costs, ridiculous insurance premiums and registration fees, and how many of these cars are lucky to stay out of the shop between scheduled services. The majority of sports car ownership (and especially super car ownership) is not for the faint of heart or light of wallet. Thank you James for being so honest and frank all the time.
As you said in one of your recent videos: People make choices on what they spend their money. Many buy & maintain supercars in lieu of doing other things, such as buying a bigger house, taking luxury holidays, or pandering to a high maintenence partner. So nuff respect to you.
Very true , I’ve got a 991 turbo s , don’t drink don’t smoke or have any kids so the car is my priority and it’s worth every penny in maintenance, in fact I enjoy spending on it , just put new tyres on @£1300 nothing but the best
@@chistianmeyer2728 out of interest, what's it like running a 911? Are they stupidly expensive to maintain or not too bad (I know that's all relative)?
@@adam872 not too bad for the type of car servicing is ever 2 years and is around !k for a major , haven't had it serviced as it was done by dealer when I bought it , insurance is 2.3k a year , they don't seem to have as many issues and are pretty robust compared to a Ferrari of the same age or Mclaren , the bodies are also galvanised so they really prone to rust ,
Great video Jay. £9000 bill for a supercar is a first world problem 😂. If you're worried about putting too many miles on it and hurting the value, its time to get rid of it. They're made to be driven and enjoyed but you see far too often they are wrapped up in the garage and hardly driven. Whats the point? Life's too short!!
I like your attitude. I don't buy sports cars, but I do buy motorcycles. I consider wearing out a bike with a reasonable number of miles to be a worthwhile use of the bike. I buy them to ride, not to "have."
Agreed. If you're not going to drive it, don't buy it in the first place. He's already bit the bullet and racked up 10k miles extra on it, so keep going and live life.
@@andypicken7848 Not really, it's based on the amount of cars. The dealership costs are the same as a Toyota except there are a lot lot less cars to work on and bring in revenue so they have to charge more to make up the difference.
A lot of the part prices don't actually seem too far fetched, along the lines of what your would pay for legit OEM parts for your average Mercedes and whatnot. Some specific parts are very expensive no doubt because they're just produced in such low numbers, ie 30 grand for a top shelf gearbox that is only used in one car that sells in the hundreds range per year is to expected, a Porsche PDK will cost you as much, it's not any better and they make 10x as many of them so there's a much bigger profit margin on those. What James is paying for mostly is labour. Fixing lots of little things takes time and it adds up quickly. I don't know what the hourly rate for a Ferrari specialist is but I'm guessing it's more than your average indie who these days already change like 80 quid an hour. If you take the average 10 year old car off the street with all the normal wear and tear and minor body damage you'd expect, went to a decent garage and told them "make it mint" it would be there for days and days and they'd present you with a bill for several grand too.
As an ex Ferrari owner, I can relate to everything you’ve said. I would never, ever do it again as the cons of my 2 years of ownership outweighed the benefits. But the dream has been fulfilled and I’m now properly enjoying Porsche - I should have gone there first. Ferraris are unfortunately overrated, they are not well built, you can’t leave them anywhere without fear of vandalism, you constantly worry about mileage and you may as well add a few hundred pounds to your annual service bill every time you go over a pothole e.g. new swing arm. The community and all round driving experience was great but not when you are constantly putting in cash over what in most cases is a depreciating asset - unless you have something very special indeed. Hope I’m not killing the dreams of those wanting to experience it one day but go in with eyes open. You will enjoy the ride! But there are much better alternatives.
I remember what another TH-camr said about about the Honda/Acura NSX 2nd generation: that it was for people that have owned Ferraris or Lamborghinis or McLarens and want something that provides the thrills but has reliability. I was thinking: that should actually be your first supersports car, not the Ferrari. The NSX is out of production now. You're only left with Porsche.
Wish I read your review first . They are great as far as design and performance of my Cali T is pretty good . However the top part of a window switch broke . It’s a small pice of plastic probably less than a buck which cost 70 bucks coming from China . Recently rear sensor speaker stoped making noise , they light up but no noise . Diagnosed to be a bad speaker or wire connected. Problem is need to pull all kinds of panels off to fix it . Yea for a car that was 260k new in 2015 with 13k miles on it they are not made all that well. Up for sale , now I know why there are always 4 and 5 owners of these things . Their killing there brand and others for far less money are caught up.
Honest talk. And very timely as I'm going through this *exact* same decision with my F12. I've put 32k miles on it - now over 45k - and it's in the shop now for a list of expensive repairs including refresh of those same bumper/vent pieces, new splitter, fresh leather on the dash, door cards, trunk, etc. Warranty renewal is due next month. Ryft exhaust that screams. Have an '87 TR and a 296GTB in production (a year delayed from the original 2021 deposit projection). Had thought of keeping the big V12 as the sound is unmatched and as you noted, the GT versatility, but the value is only going downwards from here. But what could be next to round out the garage? 720S Spider? Go backwards to a manual 430 spider for 'purity'? Or even farther back to a 328? Diablo for collectibility and possible appreciation? These are the wonderful 'First World Problems' I dreamed about in my youth, finally playing out...
i would say keep it, this in my opinion atleast is the last ferrari that has a timeless clean design. together with the 458. after that it became turbo stuff and with more flappy bits.
That will protect it somewhat from chipping. But why not strip it and base paint it in black..instead the corsa red! I can’t see Ferrari’s logic in that..unless their logic is getting more money out of owners later on!
First of all, let me say this is one beautiful car. I’ve watched many of your Porsche videos over time, and was surprised actually this car ended up in your stable. While all sports cars have problems and repair issues, i will say my limited experience with Italian cars has been one I’ve decided wasn’t worth the trouble or expense to keep long term. My Alfa Gulia Quad was an amazing drivers car, balanced, fast as hell, and had an exhaust to kill for. But the issues I had under warranty taught me early on the car would be a money pit to keep. The windshield cracked inside the frame, apparently an OE defect, like $4,000 to repair, and took the tech an entire day to do the install. The front carbon splitter lowered at speed, and had an issue with the hydraulics which required the whole thing be replaced, several days at the dealer, part had to be special ordered (a couple months I believe) and almost $5k to repair. Then sometimes at random the entire dash would go black, yes the car would still drive, but none of the gauges worked, and would take a while to come back on. After 2 years into the warranty I decided to sell the car while the miles were still low, and it took me like 4 months to sell it (it was immaculate) after I lost $10k lowering the price to unload it, and i bought it used with only 4K miles on it, and sold it with only 9k miles on it. Now i know Alfas are notorious for maintenance problems, and can’t be compared to a Ferrari (even though the claim was the engine was a Ferrari design). Even after all that, i will say the Alfa was one of the most exciting and blood pumping cars I’ve ever driven, and I’ve driven and owned several nice sports cars and sedans. I think every enthusiast should experience an Italian sports car even just as a driving experience if possible, but as a long term owner, you better have deep pockets and don’t ever complain about what it costs to repair- because every experienced mechanic will tell you, “I told you so”. I will say Porsche ownership isn’t flawless, but i can do most of the work myself, and parts are easy and cheap to get, and are readily available. No, the Porsche doesn’t have the same red headed attitude and flair a Ferrari has, but it has its own soul and character that make it exciting in its own way, all without making me spend my kids college education to keep it running 😊
Still love my Evora 400 (almost same spec as your first @JayEmmOnCars which was the inspiration for me ) and I do all the work myself. Pushing 30K miles on it and not afraid to run the crap out of it. Next car that I can work on and give me thrills is a Caterham 420R. Point is, neither the Evora 400 nor the Caterham scare me to drive the beans out of and still have a boatload of fun. Not bad to store in a 3 car garage either. I've been contemplating a Roma or F12 but they do REALLY scare me for actual enjoyment vs fear ratio! As many things go, I love the "idea" of the them but really don't want to deal with the "reality!" Thanks for the continued great content! You are a pro and your intro music always gets me geeked-up to drive!
The difference in price between the Evora and the Ferrari is the sound. I realize it's out of proportion, but if you like the Ferrari sound there's no substitute (no choice). Bought a Jaguar Daimler in the past. The first day I crashed the side mirror. A set back of 1200 Dutch guilders at that time. I discovered that running expensive cars is fun when spending money is not an issue. Bless you both.
I smell a bit of bs. Sorry but if you were actually considering a Roma you'd know they come standard with 7 years warranty....the oldest Roma you could buy would be 2019.... meaning it's still within it's warranty.
The 550 and 599 are more desirable in my eyes. But thank you for letting me live vicariously through you as i balk at the 2-3k a year in maintenance i spend on my cars each year.
What you should keep an eye on are the air intakes on the rear fenders, because according to a Swedish TH-camr in the US, it is common for these to start rusting around the edges. Because he had that problem on his F12 and Ferrari had to fix this and repaint, but it didn't cost Mickael anything, but that cost was borne by Ferrari.
Save the 100k and buy a 911, you will enjoy relatively cheap hassle free motoring and have loads of fun, thumbs up from other motorists at traffic lights etc, and women love it too.
James I seem to recall a video some time ago where you alluded to the 550 having had a major issue, but I cannot recall ever having seen you discuss it further. Did I miss anything on that car or have I imagined something? Best of luck with the cars...I must admit that seeing you battle yours constantly makes me feel much better about my own struggles with my collection.
Tough one Jay as other than upgrading to an 812 at considerable cost I'm not sure what ese would offer a similar experience? I think your problem might be that with the 550 and 430 Scud you've already got your Ferrari bases covered? Feel like we can rule out Porsche and McLaren straight away so maybe a mid engined V12 like an Aventador after your recent V12 video could be fun, offer something different in the garage and do well for clicks?
Thank you for the honesty on running these supercars. Essentially unless you get the warranty, which in itself is several thousands, you should ideally budget 5 figures a year to run it on servicing alone.
I am always astounded at the terrible build quality and the fragility of these "supercars" despite their extortionate cost to buy and to maintain. You really don't get your moneys worth.
@@JayEmmOnCars no hes right... they are terrible, overpriced, built like a lada, they dont drive nice on british roads, unreliable, extortionate parts prices, extortionate repair labour costs and as you said you dont even dare drive it. Utterly pointless.
But James, when the Bosch part is for something else it's a tenth of the price of the Ferrari's part. I'm not convinced. They are Fiat build quality in my eyes & I'd never touch a Fiat.
I read somewhere that Ferrari take a loss on certain models when they sell them. It doesn't matter as they actually make their money from licensing the images for everything from bedspreads to plastic models to videogames. The cars sales, in certain ways, are actually just something that enables them to sell the brand (their real money spinner).
JayEmm...excellent video. You confirmed every fear I have ever had of owning an exotic car. I could afford a used Aston-Martin - for example - but I am not sure I could afford to maintain it. So instead - when I retired in 2009 - I bought a near-new Jaguar XK convertible with 10,000 miles. Today, it looks like the day I bought it with 95,000 miles! And I have had far less trouble in 15 years with the car than you have had in the short time with your Ferrari. To me, the Jaguar is a "near exotic" car...and as close as I will likely ever get to one! All the best to you and my best wishes for a more reliable future in your Ferrari.
This is a wonderful monologue on the vicissitudes in a Ferrari owner´s life. As a German I´m intrigued by the actor´s wonderful English and his lively gestures. RICHARD BURTON couldn´t say it any better: "To sell or not to sell.. this is the questionnnn"
Love these, I think this and the 458 are the best modern Ferraris. The dash binnacle with theme screens flanking the proper analogue tacho is fantastic. The issues though are what frighten people away from Ferraris in to Porsches imo (even though the Ferrari may be reliable). I suppose all the body and corrosion issues are a result of driving it all year round when most of these are pampered in garages for dry use only - it makes such a difference avoiding winter use.
I said wheel speed sensor as soon as you mentioned what happened. Had that loads of times with various other cars I’ve owned. Not Ferrari. But all have had a major tiff when the sensor has gone. Keep her!
James, thanks for the details on pain of ownership. I think you are now well trained for a forray into farm equipment ownership. Or better yet, the trifecta of money pit ownership, sports cars, farm equipment and semi trucks!! Cheers from -46°C Alberta Canada, where temp sensors only work down to -40°C. 🇨🇦
It drives me absolutely crazy when I go on message boards to diagnose a problem and people go on and on acknowledging they’ve experienced the exact same issue then never say how it was resolved. There should be a rule. If you describe a problem at least divulge how it was resolved! Nobody is on these forums to hear you blather on about yourself. People on social media that just wanna join the conversation but offer nothing useful should stay off automotive forums!
I feel you, I once went on a forum and explained how I fixed this office printer and got 750 positive feedbacks. It was amazing to know that writing the solution helped 750 separate individuals accross the world. It should be mandatory once you post a problem! I agree with you on that.
I remember asking a buddy of mine about his Ferraris. His stories are like Jay's. 10K here, 5k randomly here, 20K major service, etc... Gotta really enjoy these cars. 😮
Thank you for your valuable insight. This is the absolute perfect Ferrari in my eyes, including all their latest ones and I keep re-watching old videos of it from Top Gear and Chris Harris. The beauty, the raw power, the symphony, all in perfect balance. I can now plan the maintenance costs as well while I continue dreaming about it 🤤
That car for sure knew you were thinking of spending money elsewhere,but decided to inconvenience you!! Every time I've had even the thought of changing,that previously reliable vehicle would drop an unwanted or unexpected bill in my lap!! Hence now I pay monthly for an aftermarket warranty to cover any potential large vacuum from my bank account.......KEEP the F12 it's a classic and the mileage isn't a problem if you maintain it as you do 👍💪🏻
Love the F12 and thanks for the honest review. Am considering adding on to my small collection (DB11 Volante, 991.2 GT3 Manual, 997.2 Manual, Taycan Turbo, 560 SL) and have been looking for the right one for a while (also weighing it up against an Alfa 8C, two very different cars)
Enjoyed the honesty (both good and bad of this video). You captured the good and bad of Ferrari ownership. Ironically, I watched it as I was writing out a check (cheque on your side of the pond) to the mechanic for service on my 575m. Have to say it has been very reliable in the three years I have owned it -- only repair was leaky power steering for $700 or so. This year, unfortunately, I had to do the timing belt change, but now good to go for five years (I hope!).
The F12 is still one of my favourite looking Ferrari’s. As a matter of personal opinion, I preferred the silver colour for the wheels. Would also like to see the grill slats to be silver too. Classic grill touch. Either way, love the car. Happy for you that you have one even if there are problems.
James, thank you for the honest, unvarnished content which so many of your subscribers value. If this is perhaps a sensible time at which to exit the F12, is there a heavily depreciated McLaren modern which might be worth considering?
Its a nice looker but ownership is horrendous. I would get what you can for the F12 and the DB 9 and buy a well used Vauxhall Astra. Iv just got a really clean example for £650. Done the service myself with oil from Tesco and 2 part worn tyres on the front. You just cannot beat them
Thank you Jay for wonderful videos, hope everything's well in the new year! I'm a Vantage V8 4,3 owner and I love it. It's not very spectacular but rather simple, good looking and provides a really sporty feeling over 4000rpm (and I have a small button for the exhaust valve too ;-) ). My next wish, if I find it worth it, is a DB11 with a V8. Wouldn't that be an option for you as well if you want to dispose of the F12?
I owned the F12 since 2015 i still have the car And I spent a lot on it between maintenance and breakdowns Over the years but until now I still like the car and every time i think of replacing it with something else unfortunately I don't see any car that convinces me like the F12
I find these videos really interesting, even if a lot of the "ownership experience" ones are more about the breathtaking invoices rather than the driving experience! The F12 is just such a gorgeous car but, as with the other exotics featured here, I am always amazed at the costs of running them considering how low the mileage is (which might be part of the problem) but it seems that simple things that shouldn't break do in the most expensive way possible. Ferrari builds thousands of cars now and is fiercely proud of their quality control but I wonder as the F12 seems still pretty new to me as they were built until 2017. I am sure in the UK nobody is driving their Ferraris to the limit on public roads and doubt if they are tracked all that much so it is unfortunate the ownership experience includes these costs. Disclaimer: I am a Ferrari shareholder and thank James for spending all the money on Ferrari parts. Secondly, I have been driving a now-16 year old 450 hp sports car for the last eight years, covering 75,000 kms, and have replaced tires, one battery and a tire pressure sensor, in addition to the normal oil/filter changes, so high-performance does not have to bleed you dry. Very informative (and honest) video!
Oh, J, I feel your pain, but we owners of exotic machinery do have to dig deep in the old pockets from time to time. Just last November I had to buy a new inner tube for my bike. £7.85 it cost me... Nearly eight quid! I came over all unnecessary 😲 and had to go and have a lie down in a dark room with a cup of tea and a packet of Choccy Hobnobs. Chin up, dear boy.
Wow, what a rollercoaster! It's every Ferrari owner's worst fear to see those warning lights pop up. Glad you managed to navigate through the situation. Your honesty and detailed explanation really help other supercar owners out there. By the way, if you're looking to add some modern tech to your F12, we'd love to offer you a special deal on our Ferrari CarPlay / Android Auto Module. Keep up the great content!
Being an F12 fan myself, I was offered to buy one twice. Now I’m happy that in both occasions I chose to spend the money on other things: you don’t have annual service or maintenance bills for a nice long holiday.
@@wizzyno1566 Jealous muppet trying to convince himself he's better off not having something. I bet he only watches the videos where there's a problem mentioned as therapy.
Makes you appreciate the high level of quality and reliability of everyday cars. Exotic cars are often money pits and the high purchase price is just the start.
@@Mexxx65 If you're buying a car brand new you should know what you're getting into. If you're buying a car secondhand, you really have no excuse. Common problems with most cars are well documented and can be caught ahead of time or remedied. Any car will give you a big bill if you don't take care of it.
Little dance heralding the intro music was excellent. I still find it shocking that such a traditionally low mileage would put off some dealers. Really makes you wonder about what the owners of these "cars" do with their spare time.
I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. This is what, a 10-11 year old car that has done quite low milage and you have done a paltry 10k miles in 2 years, mostly on the highway I imagine, and yet there have been myriad little problems and modifications needed and problems (like the battery terminal) that Ferrari should have covered. If this was an average family car being used by mum, dad and the kids you would be calling it a pile of crap and ditching it ASAP, but because it's a Ferrari, you happily keep forking out thousands to keep it going. This is more about the owners ego than whether it's a good car or not.
Thank you sir for just leveling with us and telling us your experiences. No ridiculousness and no gimmicks. Just straight passion and fun ownership experience. Someday I’ll have a prancing horse! Been dreaming of one since I was a kid with the 288GTO hot wheels
I remember congratulating you when you purchased this car, and funny enough I think was the first ever comment I've left that you replied to mine, There have been others you did as well, my honest opinion as a multi-year channel follower is: Let her go, you enjoyed, you had your time, there's so much more to be owned out there, I don't know why I'm saying this, but the voices are screaming at me to say it, so here it goes; TVR.
@@JayEmmOnCars Maybe.... Anyway, you're doing a fantastic job of running a TH-cam channel driving and owning a number of different cars. Love your work, so keep it up mate. 👍🏻
@@JayEmmOnCars Yes, I totally get it. If, like me, you want ONE very fast, reliable, relatively affordable sports car, a Carrera S is the way to go, and I love it. I really admire you and your channel, so keep on a'keepin' on. Ferraris are always going to be an absolute bloody pain though, so good luck.
Great content, thanks from Portugal Jay! Please get rid of the tinted quarter windows on the F12 , which is one of my dream cars. It really messes with the original classic shape and design
If you want a reliable Ferrari, they sell a few at Costco for 20$ during the holiday season. I’ve bought a few, along with Lamborghini and Porsches. Been ten years, and so far no issues, (thank god) and they sit nicely on a display case in my teenage sons bedroom. I admit I am a little worried after seeing this video, though. 😁
Many years back I had a Bentley Arnage (6.75 version) that truly did all but bankrupt me. A few years later I purchased a 4.4 version Arnage that never missed a beat 2 years ago I bought a Rolls Royce Ghost. Stunning car that also never missed a beat. Having said all of this I am not a rich man, and the issue is always the same: Every time you get in it you are just hoping you don't get an engine management/warning light. It is as big a downside as range anxiety is on an EV.
Fantastic James. I've been away from your channel for a while and just popped back to see you had the F12 - what a car! Superb. Shame about the issues, but this is the nature of the beast unfortunately... Interestingly i was just flicking through auto trader and the cheapest 911 with a MT has just had 9K spent on it as well.... but this got it a full engine rebuild... I thought that made for an interesting contrast.
Time to sell. I've never been a Ferrari owner. But I've owned a Ducati. Did some minor repairs and had it running wonderfully after a couple of years of owning it. Then came the big repairs..... wish I had sold it. Good video. Cheers.
Jay - I hear you, thank you for sharing your inner thoughts. You know the answer already. You need to go out. You lost trust into this copy, it will keep on breaking and the question is - is it worth it? No. Because your feelings turn(ed) on the car, you want to but you cannot trust it anymore. Sell it to the highest price and dream for your next dream car. You had the F12 for 2 very good years. You invested in it for selling it, especially the front new paint job.
Hi mate, love the update. Need to let you know that I changed my F12 for a new 992 Turbo S Cab, like you i have other cars so something for sunny days was the thought...... Ive nothing but regret for selling my F12.....
As alternative, have you considered a GTC4 Lusso. Has more year round usability and provides the same V12 soundtrack and driving thrills. You also rated it highly when you drove it. That video convinced me - it’s a special thing….
I NEVER comment on any videos. …but I would love to see a 599 and 812 comparison… I know they’re very different-but they have similar look. …and they’re both absolutely stunning!
I stopped taking my 2014 FF to a franchised dealer, it now goes to KHPC in maidstone. Same parts, same service, in fact probably a bit more flexible and transparent as they are free to do "fixes" outside of strict factory recommendations. All at realistic pricing.
Jay can I ask what is the paint code or gold you have on your alloys? They look really good against the rosso bodywork, I’m contemplating similar for my Giulia QV 👍
My take on this: you have to be wealthy to own this type of car. I had a 718 Boxster GTS, by no means an exotic car, it deprecated 30% in the first year of ownership and the first “regular” service at 2,000 km for an oil, filter and brake fluid change cost me €1,000. At this price the dealer even wanted to charge me extra to wash the car! I traded it in on a low mileage 997.2 C2S and love the car but always in the back of my mind is the elephant in the room, maintenance costs.
This is exactly the truth. If you aren't wealthy, then you will feel the pain of owning type of car. As for a $1,000 oil and filter and brake fluid change, that's just extortion....or maybe the wealthy like large bills like that, who knows?
Wow, insane! I own a 2021 Acura NSX, i have put 21k miles.on it so far - my daily driver. So far...two oil changes and new engine air filters...thats it. Less than $1k of maintenance costs to date. It just works.
I had been misnaming the F12 (Berlinetta) as a 296 GTB for years now. My neighbor's collection outside of her F50, I've usually written off as two Romas, a 296 GTB(which is actually the F12 Berlinetta), a F50, and what I believe to be a LaFerrari but I have only ever laid eyes on it twice. For some of us who don't drive, it is still marvelous to see these wonderful cars.
I had the same issue on my much lesser BMW X3 during the summer...dashboard lit up like a Christmas tree...similar errors as yours, the car was undrivable and I was recovered home. Diagnosed it myself with cheap code reader and did the job in 20 mins with a 50 quid part...😊
My Ferrari broke once. Good lord I thought. When I got to the Ferrari place. My mechanic had it running and said no charge. It was just some cheap fuse. But luckily a few years later I was hit with a $15k charge for some work. LOL
A fascinating snap shot into the real world running costs of one of these amazing cars. To sell or not to sell? Oh what a tough decision. Is there anything else at around this price that comes close, probably not. These are real 1st world problems. Good luck with that conundrum.
I can watch - and devour multiple times - all of your Ferrari videos. Equal parts qualitative emotions and quantitative truths. In one month, I take delivery of a complete Fiammenghi manifold / exhaust system from Italy that will then be fitted to my Ferrari 599 GTB - thanks to your research. Thank you for your passionate path through life! If you sell your beloved F12 (I own two - a 2015 and a 2017), I hope you go nuts and get an outrageous Lamborghini Aventador.
Would be seriously interesting to compare Ferrari to Lamborghini maintenance issues and costs. It seems shocking to me for there to be so many basic quality issues on a modern vehicle. My sense from reading online is that Lambos are FAR more reliable since the Audi era, especially the Huracan has a great reputation.
My father has a 2012 California "30" and from all the approx. 50 cars he has owned it is by far his favourite. Unfortunately he had a catastrophic engine failure at only 5000 Km (and just 2 weeks after warranty ended and only a few weeks after his last inspection at Ferrari). Sure, this can happen to anyone but the worst thing wasn't the 40'000 Euro bill. It was how Ferrari treated him despite him being very polite and understanding. I have never in my life experienced a company as despicable and arrogant as Ferrari in this case. It was a mind boggling experience and many people couldn't even believe the full story and everything that Ferrari said and did. Still, he he didn't sell the California and drove it for another two years and then AGAIN had (likely) the same error that led to his catastrophic failure. Fortunately despite having lost almost all of the coolant once again (without being notified by the car), he noticed early enough and the car could be fixed before the second catastrophic failure... He still owns the car to this day and is torn between enjoying the car (when it runs) and getting something from a brand that he could identify with better and likely not have such grave issues.
Great video as always James - really enjoyed this one. Just wanted to say that I’m currently running a G82 - car a million leagues below your gorgeous F12…but it’s also a sports car and a GT and I sleep at night. I’m guessing it’s way too dull not only for you but also your wonderful channel but just saying! Anyway, keep this great content coming 👍
And there was me moaning about having to fork out £27 for a CV joint for my Fiesta from GSF. Good video, a factual account of ownership of a car I will never be able to own but without pomp or nonsense.
Jeez James, I thought my 355 was a bit maintenance heavy! Then I bought a 456...What the hell, life is very short and painful (especially if you have a Ferrari!). Good luck with the Aston (never really fancied one of those Mr Bond). Looking forward to exercising my 993 and 635CSi this summer. Cheers from a rather cold Otford, Kent.
2008 F430 manual spider owned from new. Only problems are 1) immobilizer sensor wire from key to computer broke so car was immobile. Took a month to replace. 2) the black paint around the hinges that is revealed when you open the door started peeling. 3) plastic rear window got a little marked up but mostly polished out. Should I be having more problems? Maybe I'm doing something wrong.
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What do you expect 🤦🏻♂️ Ferrari is utter Italian junk . Poorly manufactured over priced & over rated low quality product.
Thank you for another great video!
Just to clarify. It was a wheel hub or bolt failure that caused the major scare on the car ?
Would you suggest changing them on all four corners ? Was it specific to the fronts ?
Do you think this should be a preventive maintenance item when buying an F12??
Thank you for another great video !!
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A wealthy mate, once a 360 owner, said Ferrari owners smile twice. Once when they buy it and once when they sell it.
Well... They changed a lot since the 360 to now in terms of reliability...
I have to agree. It’s difficult to tell what makes you want to own a Ferrari. Finally it’s an emotional thing. A Porsche is better for 364 days of a year but for the one day the Ferrari will be the perfect car.
Well said. Same with owning a Bentley.
Obviously not a creative...that saying has been used for yacht ownership for eons....
I never knew Ferrari built yachts...@@stephenscholes4758
One reason I love this channel so much is because James isn't pretending that owning an exotic is all carefree fun like 99% of all other car youtubers do. Those other youtubers fail to mention the insane running costs, ridiculous insurance premiums and registration fees, and how many of these cars are lucky to stay out of the shop between scheduled services. The majority of sports car ownership (and especially super car ownership) is not for the faint of heart or light of wallet. Thank you James for being so honest and frank all the time.
My 458 insurance is £650 a year for 2k miles. Not expensive.
I must say I like the phrase "..light of wallet". 🤣
You’d be surprised how cheap these cars are to insure
@@thepurplesband How you limit yourself to only 2k miles a year in a 458 though...
@@deanchur true. I save it for longer trips rather than going to buy the milk in it.
As you said in one of your recent videos: People make choices on what they spend their money. Many buy & maintain supercars in lieu of doing other things, such as buying a bigger house, taking luxury holidays, or pandering to a high maintenence partner.
So nuff respect to you.
And if money is tight keep the star of the show and sell the backing band
Very true , I’ve got a 991 turbo s , don’t drink don’t smoke or have any kids so the car is my priority and it’s worth every penny in maintenance, in fact I enjoy spending on it , just put new tyres on @£1300 nothing but the best
@@chistianmeyer2728 out of interest, what's it like running a 911? Are they stupidly expensive to maintain or not too bad (I know that's all relative)?
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@@adam872 not too bad for the type of car servicing is ever 2 years and is around !k for a major , haven't had it serviced as it was done by dealer when I bought it , insurance is 2.3k a year , they don't seem to have as many issues and are pretty robust compared to a Ferrari of the same age or Mclaren , the bodies are also galvanised so they really prone to rust ,
Great video Jay.
£9000 bill for a supercar is a first world problem 😂.
If you're worried about putting too many miles on it and hurting the value, its time to get rid of it.
They're made to be driven and enjoyed but you see far too often they are wrapped up in the garage and hardly driven. Whats the point? Life's too short!!
Exactly!
how many miles have you done in your supercar?
You like that one, so keep it and use it. Sell the other stuff which you don't.
I like your attitude. I don't buy sports cars, but I do buy motorcycles. I consider wearing out a bike with a reasonable number of miles to be a worthwhile use of the bike. I buy them to ride, not to "have."
Agreed. If you're not going to drive it, don't buy it in the first place. He's already bit the bullet and racked up 10k miles extra on it, so keep going and live life.
Those parts and labour prices are outrageous
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They certainly are makes me wonder if he is being kippered up
It's Ferrari. You'll find any exotic brands prices are similar. @@andypicken7848
@@andypicken7848 Not really, it's based on the amount of cars. The dealership costs are the same as a Toyota except there are a lot lot less cars to work on and bring in revenue so they have to charge more to make up the difference.
A lot of the part prices don't actually seem too far fetched, along the lines of what your would pay for legit OEM parts for your average Mercedes and whatnot. Some specific parts are very expensive no doubt because they're just produced in such low numbers, ie 30 grand for a top shelf gearbox that is only used in one car that sells in the hundreds range per year is to expected, a Porsche PDK will cost you as much, it's not any better and they make 10x as many of them so there's a much bigger profit margin on those.
What James is paying for mostly is labour. Fixing lots of little things takes time and it adds up quickly. I don't know what the hourly rate for a Ferrari specialist is but I'm guessing it's more than your average indie who these days already change like 80 quid an hour. If you take the average 10 year old car off the street with all the normal wear and tear and minor body damage you'd expect, went to a decent garage and told them "make it mint" it would be there for days and days and they'd present you with a bill for several grand too.
Labour & taxes (21%) makes it expensive owning a car.
As an ex Ferrari owner, I can relate to everything you’ve said. I would never, ever do it again as the cons of my 2 years of ownership outweighed the benefits. But the dream has been fulfilled and I’m now properly enjoying Porsche - I should have gone there first. Ferraris are unfortunately overrated, they are not well built, you can’t leave them anywhere without fear of vandalism, you constantly worry about mileage and you may as well add a few hundred pounds to your annual service bill every time you go over a pothole e.g. new swing arm. The community and all round driving experience was great but not when you are constantly putting in cash over what in most cases is a depreciating asset - unless you have something very special indeed. Hope I’m not killing the dreams of those wanting to experience it one day but go in with eyes open. You will enjoy the ride! But there are much better alternatives.
Vandalism? You must live in the UK. Pathetic culture.
I remember what another TH-camr said about about the Honda/Acura NSX 2nd generation: that it was for people that have owned Ferraris or Lamborghinis or McLarens and want something that provides the thrills but has reliability. I was thinking: that should actually be your first supersports car, not the Ferrari. The NSX is out of production now. You're only left with Porsche.
Wish I read your review first . They are great as far as design and performance of my Cali T is pretty good . However the top part of a window switch broke . It’s a small pice of plastic probably less than a buck which cost 70 bucks coming from China . Recently rear sensor speaker stoped making noise , they light up but no noise . Diagnosed to be a bad speaker or wire connected. Problem is need to pull all kinds of panels off to fix it . Yea for a car that was 260k new in 2015 with 13k miles on it they are not made all that well. Up for sale , now I know why there are always 4 and 5 owners of these things . Their killing there brand and others for far less money are caught up.
Is it expensive to fix, yes, is it expensive to run, yes. Is it out of reach for 99% of the population of the UK, yes
What's your point?
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That this video was kind of pointless.
@@leostreat3573the guy with three Ferraris is upset they cost money.
@@seymourskinner2533 And the guy with none is very bitter.
What an odd lot.
@@AB-80X It's called entertainment. It doesn't need a point.
Honest talk. And very timely as I'm going through this *exact* same decision with my F12. I've put 32k miles on it - now over 45k - and it's in the shop now for a list of expensive repairs including refresh of those same bumper/vent pieces, new splitter, fresh leather on the dash, door cards, trunk, etc. Warranty renewal is due next month. Ryft exhaust that screams. Have an '87 TR and a 296GTB in production (a year delayed from the original 2021 deposit projection). Had thought of keeping the big V12 as the sound is unmatched and as you noted, the GT versatility, but the value is only going downwards from here. But what could be next to round out the garage? 720S Spider? Go backwards to a manual 430 spider for 'purity'? Or even farther back to a 328? Diablo for collectibility and possible appreciation? These are the wonderful 'First World Problems' I dreamed about in my youth, finally playing out...
Barring the price, the 812 Superfast is obviously the natural replacement.
Ferrari 612 IMO, just a humble opinion. Or if you are "that guy", Ferrari 333SP
My heart bleeds for you...
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be happy to be in this position
i would say keep it, this in my opinion atleast is the last ferrari that has a timeless clean design. together with the 458. after that it became turbo stuff and with more flappy bits.
Can’t you maintain it yourself. ?
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I'm pretty sure there are worships that can maintain and repair a Ferrari.
I love your transparency with your cars, it’s great to see the realities of running something so special.
Maybe a clear wrap over that lower spoiler will make the paint last longer.
That will protect it somewhat from chipping. But why not strip it and base paint it in black..instead the corsa red! I can’t see Ferrari’s logic in that..unless their logic is getting more money out of owners later on!
It’s really shocking any car company would paint a car in that way let alone Ferrari!
First of all, let me say this is one beautiful car. I’ve watched many of your Porsche videos over time, and was surprised actually this car ended up in your stable. While all sports cars have problems and repair issues, i will say my limited experience with Italian cars has been one I’ve decided wasn’t worth the trouble or expense to keep long term. My Alfa Gulia Quad was an amazing drivers car, balanced, fast as hell, and had an exhaust to kill for. But the issues I had under warranty taught me early on the car would be a money pit to keep. The windshield cracked inside the frame, apparently an OE defect, like $4,000 to repair, and took the tech an entire day to do the install. The front carbon splitter lowered at speed, and had an issue with the hydraulics which required the whole thing be replaced, several days at the dealer, part had to be special ordered (a couple months I believe) and almost $5k to repair. Then sometimes at random the entire dash would go black, yes the car would still drive, but none of the gauges worked, and would take a while to come back on. After 2 years into the warranty I decided to sell the car while the miles were still low, and it took me like 4 months to sell it (it was immaculate) after I lost $10k lowering the price to unload it, and i bought it used with only 4K miles on it, and sold it with only 9k miles on it. Now i know Alfas are notorious for maintenance problems, and can’t be compared to a Ferrari (even though the claim was the engine was a Ferrari design). Even after all that, i will say the Alfa was one of the most exciting and blood pumping cars I’ve ever driven, and I’ve driven and owned several nice sports cars and sedans. I think every enthusiast should experience an Italian sports car even just as a driving experience if possible, but as a long term owner, you better have deep pockets and don’t ever complain about what it costs to repair- because every experienced mechanic will tell you, “I told you so”. I will say Porsche ownership isn’t flawless, but i can do most of the work myself, and parts are easy and cheap to get, and are readily available. No, the Porsche doesn’t have the same red headed attitude and flair a Ferrari has, but it has its own soul and character that make it exciting in its own way, all without making me spend my kids college education to keep it running 😊
Still love my Evora 400 (almost same spec as your first @JayEmmOnCars which was the inspiration for me ) and I do all the work myself. Pushing 30K miles on it and not afraid to run the crap out of it. Next car that I can work on and give me thrills is a Caterham 420R.
Point is, neither the Evora 400 nor the Caterham scare me to drive the beans out of and still have a boatload of fun. Not bad to store in a 3 car garage either.
I've been contemplating a Roma or F12 but they do REALLY scare me for actual enjoyment vs fear ratio!
As many things go, I love the "idea" of the them but really don't want to deal with the "reality!"
Thanks for the continued great content! You are a pro and your intro music always gets me geeked-up to drive!
The Evora is about the limit for a car you can really push on the road
The difference in price between the Evora and the Ferrari is the sound. I realize it's out of proportion, but if you like the Ferrari sound there's no substitute (no choice).
Bought a Jaguar Daimler in the past. The first day I crashed the side mirror. A set back of 1200 Dutch guilders at that time. I discovered that running expensive cars is fun when spending money is not an issue.
Bless you both.
You also have a lexus engine in the Evora, you'll be sound hahaha. It's just the 2GR I had in my GS 450 f sport. Brilliant engine.
I smell a bit of bs. Sorry but if you were actually considering a Roma you'd know they come standard with 7 years warranty....the oldest Roma you could buy would be 2019.... meaning it's still within it's warranty.
Insane looker. What a shame costs money to run. But just look at it. Cannot believe you own it James. Not in a bad way. Proper thing.
The 550 and 599 are more desirable in my eyes. But thank you for letting me live vicariously through you as i balk at the 2-3k a year in maintenance i spend on my cars each year.
I had a 599, great car amazing looks! But brakes down on every corner. Sticky buttons, suspension problems, etc
Don’t buy one above 25.000km
What you should keep an eye on are the air intakes on the rear fenders, because according to a Swedish TH-camr in the US, it is common for these to start rusting around the edges. Because he had that problem on his F12 and Ferrari had to fix this and repaint, but it didn't cost Mickael anything, but that cost was borne by Ferrari.
I watched the same video and always kept an eye out for corrosion around those intakes. Finally I got corrosion everywhere, but not there - haha.
Honestly watching your vids has really killed my luxury car craving. Even if i saved up 100k it feels i would need another salary to cover bills
Save the 100k and buy a 911, you will enjoy relatively cheap hassle free motoring and have loads of fun, thumbs up from other motorists at traffic lights etc, and women love it too.
Yep, if you had 100k to spend, buy a £50k fun car and put aside the other 50 to cover bills.
Not really, buy from a porcshe dealer with 2 year warranty or get a nearly new m3, guilia, or jag f type v8
100k on a Porsche sounds like a miserable way to throw your money away.
@@MeganeMondeoMX5 But 50K on a Porsche is money well spent, and that will still get you plenty of car.
Loved the little dance at the end of your introduction, that bit really shows your passion. Well done mate.
James I seem to recall a video some time ago where you alluded to the 550 having had a major issue, but I cannot recall ever having seen you discuss it further. Did I miss anything on that car or have I imagined something? Best of luck with the cars...I must admit that seeing you battle yours constantly makes me feel much better about my own struggles with my collection.
Ive probably watched the Clarkson review from years ago 50 times. One of my favorite TG segments ever.
Tough one Jay as other than upgrading to an 812 at considerable cost I'm not sure what ese would offer a similar experience?
I think your problem might be that with the 550 and 430 Scud you've already got your Ferrari bases covered? Feel like we can rule out Porsche and McLaren straight away so maybe a mid engined V12 like an Aventador after your recent V12 video could be fun, offer something different in the garage and do well for clicks?
He test drove an Aventador he was going to buy and the gear box was a deal breaker.
Ye he spoke about it in previous videos as something that, on paper, would be right up his alley but he test drove it and didn’t much care for it
Aventador has stronger gearbox. Floor f12 few times from stand still You will see what will happen.
Thank you for the honesty on running these supercars. Essentially unless you get the warranty, which in itself is several thousands, you should ideally budget 5 figures a year to run it on servicing alone.
I am always astounded at the terrible build quality and the fragility of these "supercars" despite their extortionate cost to buy and to maintain. You really don't get your moneys worth.
In Ferraris defence the part in question is likely made by Bosch and I have had them go on plenty of other cars
@@JayEmmOnCars no hes right... they are terrible, overpriced, built like a lada, they dont drive nice on british roads, unreliable, extortionate parts prices, extortionate repair labour costs and as you said you dont even dare drive it. Utterly pointless.
But James, when the Bosch part is for something else it's a tenth of the price of the Ferrari's part. I'm not convinced. They are Fiat build quality in my eyes & I'd never touch a Fiat.
I read somewhere that Ferrari take a loss on certain models when they sell them. It doesn't matter as they actually make their money from licensing the images for everything from bedspreads to plastic models to videogames. The cars sales, in certain ways, are actually just something that enables them to sell the brand (their real money spinner).
Supercars such as this one are only bought because one loves them. Easy as that. If you dwell on making endless calculations, simply don’t
there’s so much to love about James’ content ❤
And there's not much to love about you.
@TH-cam Hi TH-cam!
Like what? This is pretty generic comment, which doesn't really mean anything.
What AI you used to write this comment TH-cam
You throttling my CPU because I use an adblocker is not something to love.
JayEmm...excellent video. You confirmed every fear I have ever had of owning an exotic car. I could afford a used Aston-Martin - for example - but I am not sure I could afford to maintain it. So instead - when I retired in 2009 - I bought a near-new Jaguar XK convertible with 10,000 miles. Today, it looks like the day I bought it with 95,000 miles! And I have had far less trouble in 15 years with the car than you have had in the short time with your Ferrari. To me, the Jaguar is a "near exotic" car...and as close as I will likely ever get to one! All the best to you and my best wishes for a more reliable future in your Ferrari.
I'd be happy with a Lexus LC500 as close enough to exotic, and it will probably last just as long as a Camry.
This is a wonderful monologue on the vicissitudes in a Ferrari owner´s life. As a German I´m intrigued by the actor´s wonderful English and his lively gestures. RICHARD BURTON couldn´t say it any better: "To sell or not to sell.. this is the questionnnn"
Love these, I think this and the 458 are the best modern Ferraris. The dash binnacle with theme screens flanking the proper analogue tacho is fantastic. The issues though are what frighten people away from Ferraris in to Porsches imo (even though the Ferrari may be reliable). I suppose all the body and corrosion issues are a result of driving it all year round when most of these are pampered in garages for dry use only - it makes such a difference avoiding winter use.
I said wheel speed sensor as soon as you mentioned what happened. Had that loads of times with various other cars I’ve owned. Not Ferrari. But all have had a major tiff when the sensor has gone. Keep her!
James, thanks for the details on pain of ownership. I think you are now well trained for a forray into farm equipment ownership. Or better yet, the trifecta of money pit ownership, sports cars, farm equipment and semi trucks!!
Cheers from -46°C Alberta Canada, where temp sensors only work down to -40°C. 🇨🇦
Now THAT is cold!
So technically you can warm up considerably by climbing into a refrigerator. 😂
Love the reality check with these sorts of high end vehicles. No gain without the pain! Respect for going through that for the love of driving.
It drives me absolutely crazy when I go on message boards to diagnose a problem and people go on and on acknowledging they’ve experienced the exact same issue then never say how it was resolved. There should be a rule. If you describe a problem at least divulge how it was resolved! Nobody is on these forums to hear you blather on about yourself. People on social media that just wanna join the conversation but offer nothing useful should stay off automotive forums!
You can always post a message and ask them.
I feel you, I once went on a forum and explained how I fixed this office printer and got 750 positive feedbacks. It was amazing to know that writing the solution helped 750 separate individuals accross the world. It should be mandatory once you post a problem! I agree with you on that.
@@craigcusteau so... how did you fix it???? Hahaha, just kidding. And well done.
I remember asking a buddy of mine about his Ferraris.
His stories are like Jay's. 10K here, 5k randomly here, 20K major service, etc... Gotta really enjoy these cars. 😮
Looks and sounds amazing! Definitely sell it while its perfect, there must be something out there you lust for?! Great video James 🙌
Thank you for your valuable insight. This is the absolute perfect Ferrari in my eyes, including all their latest ones and I keep re-watching old videos of it from Top Gear and Chris Harris. The beauty, the raw power, the symphony, all in perfect balance. I can now plan the maintenance costs as well while I continue dreaming about it 🤤
That car for sure knew you were thinking of spending money elsewhere,but decided to inconvenience you!! Every time I've had even the thought of changing,that previously reliable vehicle would drop an unwanted or unexpected bill in my lap!! Hence now I pay monthly for an aftermarket warranty to cover any potential large vacuum from my bank account.......KEEP the F12 it's a classic and the mileage isn't a problem if you maintain it as you do 👍💪🏻
Love the F12 and thanks for the honest review. Am considering adding on to my small collection (DB11 Volante, 991.2 GT3 Manual, 997.2 Manual, Taycan Turbo, 560 SL) and have been looking for the right one for a while (also weighing it up against an Alfa 8C, two very different cars)
Oh yeah, another great JayEmm video. This is much better than some manifactured Netflix series 👍
Enjoyed the honesty (both good and bad of this video). You captured the good and bad of Ferrari ownership. Ironically, I watched it as I was writing out a check (cheque on your side of the pond) to the mechanic for service on my 575m. Have to say it has been very reliable in the three years I have owned it -- only repair was leaky power steering for $700 or so. This year, unfortunately, I had to do the timing belt change, but now good to go for five years (I hope!).
Called it, wheel speed sensor haha👍👍. Symptoms were spot on
11:52 - door looks a different shade to the front wing.
I hate it when people have the same problem as you do but don't post how they fix it. Happens so often.
The F12 is still one of my favourite looking Ferrari’s. As a matter of personal opinion, I preferred the silver colour for the wheels. Would also like to see the grill slats to be silver too. Classic grill touch. Either way, love the car. Happy for you that you have one even if there are problems.
this is such a fantastic channel. you're a brilliant presenter.
He is very good, isn't he.
Rarely do I feel compelled to comment, but you're spot on. He's fantastic!
James, thank you for the honest, unvarnished content which so many of your subscribers value. If this is perhaps a sensible time at which to exit the F12, is there a heavily depreciated McLaren modern which might be worth considering?
Its a nice looker but ownership is horrendous.
I would get what you can for the F12 and the DB 9 and buy a well used Vauxhall Astra.
Iv just got a really clean example for £650. Done the service myself with oil from Tesco and 2 part worn tyres on the front.
You just cannot beat them
Thank you Jay for wonderful videos, hope everything's well in the new year! I'm a Vantage V8 4,3 owner and I love it. It's not very spectacular but rather simple, good looking and provides a really sporty feeling over 4000rpm (and I have a small button for the exhaust valve too ;-) ). My next wish, if I find it worth it, is a DB11 with a V8. Wouldn't that be an option for you as well if you want to dispose of the F12?
I owned the F12 since 2015 i still have the car And I spent a lot on it between maintenance and breakdowns Over the years but until now I still like the car and every time i think of replacing it with something else unfortunately I don't see any car that convinces me like the F12
Ratarossa could’ve sorted the black bits out with a rattle-can in 5 minutes!😄
I was thinking exactly the same thing! Lol
I find these videos really interesting, even if a lot of the "ownership experience" ones are more about the breathtaking invoices rather than the driving experience! The F12 is just such a gorgeous car but, as with the other exotics featured here, I am always amazed at the costs of running them considering how low the mileage is (which might be part of the problem) but it seems that simple things that shouldn't break do in the most expensive way possible. Ferrari builds thousands of cars now and is fiercely proud of their quality control but I wonder as the F12 seems still pretty new to me as they were built until 2017. I am sure in the UK nobody is driving their Ferraris to the limit on public roads and doubt if they are tracked all that much so it is unfortunate the ownership experience includes these costs.
Disclaimer: I am a Ferrari shareholder and thank James for spending all the money on Ferrari parts. Secondly, I have been driving a now-16 year old 450 hp sports car for the last eight years, covering 75,000 kms, and have replaced tires, one battery and a tire pressure sensor, in addition to the normal oil/filter changes, so high-performance does not have to bleed you dry. Very informative (and honest) video!
Oh, J, I feel your pain, but we owners of exotic machinery do have to dig deep in the old pockets from time to time. Just last November I had to buy a new inner tube for my bike. £7.85 it cost me... Nearly eight quid!
I came over all unnecessary 😲 and had to go and have a lie down in a dark room with a cup of tea and a packet of Choccy Hobnobs.
Chin up, dear boy.
Nice video, thank you for sharing a true owner's review of the car. It still looks absolutely stunning.
The more Ferrari V12s I see, the more I believe the 599 GTB is destined for true classic status
Why do you think that?
Wow, what a rollercoaster! It's every Ferrari owner's worst fear to see those warning lights pop up. Glad you managed to navigate through the situation. Your honesty and detailed explanation really help other supercar owners out there. By the way, if you're looking to add some modern tech to your F12, we'd love to offer you a special deal on our Ferrari CarPlay / Android Auto Module. Keep up the great content!
Being an F12 fan myself, I was offered to buy one twice.
Now I’m happy that in both occasions I chose to spend the money on other things: you don’t have annual service or maintenance bills for a nice long holiday.
You also don't have a 740hp V12 Ferrari in your garage, so I'm not really seeing the point of your post?
but now you dont have and F12 :(
If you don’t love or understand that V12, then it’s almost too well you didn’t buy it ! I’d have it in a heartbeat !
You're not a fan then.
@@wizzyno1566 Jealous muppet trying to convince himself he's better off not having something. I bet he only watches the videos where there's a problem mentioned as therapy.
Makes you appreciate the high level of quality and reliability of everyday cars. Exotic cars are often money pits and the high purchase price is just the start.
My fathers advice, based on experience, was “Don’t put good money into bad cars”
..but most...if not all car manufacturers.....KNOW....that car enthusiasts WILL!! And will sell them that DREAM car...easily.....like a mug
Rule of thumb don't pay more than 1/3 MSRP and you won't be disappointed by performance/build quality
@@Mexxx65 true - but if you are an enthusiast ....if you love a car but it keeps on breaking, your feelings turn at that point you should get out.
@@Mexxx65 If you're buying a car brand new you should know what you're getting into. If you're buying a car secondhand, you really have no excuse. Common problems with most cars are well documented and can be caught ahead of time or remedied. Any car will give you a big bill if you don't take care of it.
By that logic there's no such thing as a good car
Little dance heralding the intro music was excellent.
I still find it shocking that such a traditionally low mileage would put off some dealers. Really makes you wonder about what the owners of these "cars" do with their spare time.
I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. This is what, a 10-11 year old car that has done quite low milage and you have done a paltry 10k miles in 2 years, mostly on the highway I imagine, and yet there have been myriad little problems and modifications needed and problems (like the battery terminal) that Ferrari should have covered. If this was an average family car being used by mum, dad and the kids you would be calling it a pile of crap and ditching it ASAP, but because it's a Ferrari, you happily keep forking out thousands to keep it going. This is more about the owners ego than whether it's a good car or not.
Thank you sir for just leveling with us and telling us your experiences. No ridiculousness and no gimmicks. Just straight passion and fun ownership experience. Someday I’ll have a prancing horse! Been dreaming of one since I was a kid with the 288GTO hot wheels
I remember congratulating you when you purchased this car, and funny enough I think was the first ever comment I've left that you replied to mine,
There have been others you did as well, my honest opinion as a multi-year channel follower is:
Let her go, you enjoyed, you had your time, there's so much more to be owned out there,
I don't know why I'm saying this, but the voices are screaming at me to say it, so here it goes; TVR.
You know how to avoid all this grief James...???
Buy a 911.
The problem is for this money I'd buy a 993 turbo - but those can easily cost as much to run
@@JayEmmOnCars Maybe.... Anyway, you're doing a fantastic job of running a TH-cam channel driving and owning a number of different cars. Love your work, so keep it up mate. 👍🏻
@@peterobertson1457 Thanks - that's the plan, got to pay for these pesky things somehow
@@JayEmmOnCars Yes, I totally get it. If, like me, you want ONE very fast, reliable, relatively affordable sports car, a Carrera S is the way to go, and I love it.
I really admire you and your channel, so keep on a'keepin' on. Ferraris are always going to be an absolute bloody pain though, so good luck.
Great content, thanks from Portugal Jay! Please get rid of the tinted quarter windows on the F12 , which is one of my dream cars. It really messes with the original classic shape and design
Your content is awesome. Been watching for a few years now. Don't stop (spending money) we all love it. Cheers from the states !
That’s not too bad. Harry Metcalfe recently took his Countach in to get “a few things sorted out” and it ended up costing him £65k.
If you want a reliable Ferrari, they sell a few at Costco for 20$ during the holiday season. I’ve bought a few, along with Lamborghini and Porsches. Been ten years, and so far no issues, (thank god) and they sit nicely on a display case in my teenage sons bedroom.
I admit I am a little worried after seeing this video, though. 😁
Many years back I had a Bentley Arnage (6.75 version) that truly did all but bankrupt me.
A few years later I purchased a 4.4 version Arnage that never missed a beat
2 years ago I bought a Rolls Royce Ghost. Stunning car that also never missed a beat.
Having said all of this I am not a rich man, and the issue is always the same: Every time you get in it you are just hoping you don't get an engine management/warning light. It is as big a downside as range anxiety is on an EV.
Fantastic James. I've been away from your channel for a while and just popped back to see you had the F12 - what a car! Superb. Shame about the issues, but this is the nature of the beast unfortunately... Interestingly i was just flicking through auto trader and the cheapest 911 with a MT has just had 9K spent on it as well.... but this got it a full engine rebuild... I thought that made for an interesting contrast.
Time to sell. I've never been a Ferrari owner. But I've owned a Ducati. Did some minor repairs and had it running wonderfully after a couple of years of owning it. Then came the big repairs..... wish I had sold it. Good video. Cheers.
Jay - I hear you, thank you for sharing your inner thoughts. You know the answer already. You need to go out. You lost trust into this copy, it will keep on breaking and the question is - is it worth it? No.
Because your feelings turn(ed) on the car, you want to but you cannot trust it anymore. Sell it to the highest price and dream for your next dream car. You had the F12 for 2 very good years. You invested in it for selling it, especially the front new paint job.
Hi mate, love the update. Need to let you know that I changed my F12 for a new 992 Turbo S Cab, like you i have other cars so something for sunny days was the thought...... Ive nothing but regret for selling my F12.....
As alternative, have you considered a GTC4 Lusso. Has more year round usability and provides the same V12 soundtrack and driving thrills. You also rated it highly when you drove it. That video convinced me - it’s a special thing….
I NEVER comment on any videos. …but I would love to see a 599 and 812 comparison… I know they’re very different-but they have similar look. …and they’re both absolutely stunning!
I stopped taking my 2014 FF to a franchised dealer, it now goes to KHPC in maidstone. Same parts, same service, in fact probably a bit more flexible and transparent as they are free to do "fixes" outside of strict factory recommendations. All at realistic pricing.
Jay can I ask what is the paint code or gold you have on your alloys? They look really good against the rosso bodywork, I’m contemplating similar for my Giulia QV 👍
What I gett from this video is: You buy it, drive it until the warranty runs out, and then sell it.
Interesting update, thanks. Did you PPF the front end once repainted?
My take on this: you have to be wealthy to own this type of car. I had a 718 Boxster GTS, by no means an exotic car, it deprecated 30% in the first year of ownership and the first “regular” service at 2,000 km for an oil, filter and brake fluid change cost me €1,000. At this price the dealer even wanted to charge me extra to wash the car! I traded it in on a low mileage 997.2 C2S and love the car but always in the back of my mind is the elephant in the room, maintenance costs.
This is exactly the truth. If you aren't wealthy, then you will feel the pain of owning type of car. As for a $1,000 oil and filter and brake fluid change, that's just extortion....or maybe the wealthy like large bills like that, who knows?
Wow, insane! I own a 2021 Acura NSX, i have put 21k miles.on it so far - my daily driver. So far...two oil changes and new engine air filters...thats it. Less than $1k of maintenance costs to date. It just works.
Such awesome cars
Enjoyed your sense of humor @ honesty, will be looking for more!!
I had been misnaming the F12 (Berlinetta) as a 296 GTB for years now. My neighbor's collection outside of her F50, I've usually written off as two Romas, a 296 GTB(which is actually the F12 Berlinetta), a F50, and what I believe to be a LaFerrari but I have only ever laid eyes on it twice. For some of us who don't drive, it is still marvelous to see these wonderful cars.
I had the same issue on my much lesser BMW X3 during the summer...dashboard lit up like a Christmas tree...similar errors as yours, the car was undrivable and I was recovered home. Diagnosed it myself with cheap code reader and did the job in 20 mins with a 50 quid part...😊
Thank you, for the very interesting video. The information about the cost of services and repairs are very helpful!
Great video, was very well presented and a very enjoyable watch. Thank you 👍
You are a great storyteller with a gift for a turn of a phrase!
You dont have to do everything but it really helps the bank account to pick up a spanner now and then.
Brother I love you video because their great but primarily it’s you!!! Relatable and your presentation / approach is 👌
My Ferrari broke once. Good lord I thought. When I got to the Ferrari place. My mechanic had it running and said no charge. It was just some cheap fuse. But luckily a few years later I was hit with a $15k charge for some work. LOL
A fascinating snap shot into the real world running costs of one of these amazing cars.
To sell or not to sell? Oh what a tough decision. Is there anything else at around this price that comes close, probably not. These are real 1st world problems. Good luck with that conundrum.
I remember reading in EVO a quote that went something like "If you can't afford to buy it new, you can't afford to run it used".
I can watch - and devour multiple times - all of your Ferrari videos. Equal parts qualitative emotions and quantitative truths. In one month, I take delivery of a complete Fiammenghi manifold / exhaust system from Italy that will then be fitted to my Ferrari 599 GTB - thanks to your research. Thank you for your passionate path through life!
If you sell your beloved F12 (I own two - a 2015 and a 2017), I hope you go nuts and get an outrageous Lamborghini Aventador.
People that can buy these aren't worried about repair bills or replacing it. This is just an insight for repair and operstion costs at this level.
Would be seriously interesting to compare Ferrari to Lamborghini maintenance issues and costs. It seems shocking to me for there to be so many basic quality issues on a modern vehicle. My sense from reading online is that Lambos are FAR more reliable since the Audi era, especially the Huracan has a great reputation.
My father has a 2012 California "30" and from all the approx. 50 cars he has owned it is by far his favourite. Unfortunately he had a catastrophic engine failure at only 5000 Km (and just 2 weeks after warranty ended and only a few weeks after his last inspection at Ferrari). Sure, this can happen to anyone but the worst thing wasn't the 40'000 Euro bill. It was how Ferrari treated him despite him being very polite and understanding. I have never in my life experienced a company as despicable and arrogant as Ferrari in this case. It was a mind boggling experience and many people couldn't even believe the full story and everything that Ferrari said and did. Still, he he didn't sell the California and drove it for another two years and then AGAIN had (likely) the same error that led to his catastrophic failure. Fortunately despite having lost almost all of the coolant once again (without being notified by the car), he noticed early enough and the car could be fixed before the second catastrophic failure... He still owns the car to this day and is torn between enjoying the car (when it runs) and getting something from a brand that he could identify with better and likely not have such grave issues.
12:05 my guess is paint adds weight. So super car manufacturers tend to apply it thinly 🤷🏼♂️
Great video as always James - really enjoyed this one. Just wanted to say that I’m currently running a G82 - car a million leagues below your gorgeous F12…but it’s also a sports car and a GT and I sleep at night.
I’m guessing it’s way too dull not only for you but also your wonderful channel but just saying!
Anyway, keep this great content coming 👍
Nowt wrong with a G82, bar the looks maybe
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Haha yeah it really is decisive. I love it but hey..!
And there was me moaning about having to fork out £27 for a CV joint for my Fiesta from GSF.
Good video, a factual account of ownership of a car I will never be able to own but without pomp or nonsense.
Jeez James, I thought my 355 was a bit maintenance heavy! Then I bought a 456...What the hell, life is very short and painful (especially if you have a Ferrari!). Good luck with the Aston (never really fancied one of those Mr Bond). Looking forward to exercising my 993 and 635CSi this summer. Cheers from a rather cold Otford, Kent.
Keep it and pile the miles on. Great to see it being used. Don’t ever buy a car and be afraid to put miles on it. A car is not a museum exhibit!!
2008 F430 manual spider owned from new. Only problems are 1) immobilizer sensor wire from key to computer broke so car was immobile. Took a month to replace. 2) the black paint around the hinges that is revealed when you open the door started peeling. 3) plastic rear window got a little marked up but mostly polished out. Should I be having more problems? Maybe I'm doing something wrong.