Dont know if you mig weld carbon pipe schedule 40 I work for a plumbing company but I've been welding for about 8 years and I have mostly welded structural with mig tig but not much pipe and trying to work on getting good penetration on carbon steel schedule 40. I just subscribed so hopefully we can see something soon on this thanks in advance for any help
Excellent camera work on the actual welding. Thanks again for not speeding up that part. It goes a long way to understanding the actual technique. Cheers!
Thank you! I get a lot of crap about my smooth MIG welds. I love the MIG like TIG for the pretty stuff, and finally learned the technique well from your previous videos, but for the important stuff I always want it burned in nice.
dirtyford same, idk how many times I have to explain to people looks don’t mean anything. When a ugly weld is some times the strongest. Blame these IG pages who have people believing looks is everything.
Thanks for the video showing the stronger welds. It seems to me a lot of people are pushing Mig like Tig. Usually when one welds it is strength that is more important than looks. I say just grind it to look as good as you can knowing it should not break. Good video. I actually want to learn how to Tig weld aluminum and sheet metal because of the smaller weld. All of the equipment is expensive and I cannot justify my hobby use of a Tig machine. My HTP 140 is still going strong.
Good video man. Its funny how many people think a good looking weld means a good weld. Keep up good vids. Nice to see a informative and quick to the point vid.
Good work. Your mig like tig technique is almost exactly like mine. I actually come out of the puddle and try to punch into the root a bit more, but I've also never cut and etched. I think I'll do my own comparison and see how it looks. I'm around 19v and 300 ipm though on an old MM250. Like the videos, no fluff and right to the point, so thanks for that and for the video.
I do to. I roll out farther, and punch into that root harder. It also allows a higher heat, and I can move faster, with the same appearance result. I've never cut and etched.. But I've x rayed and never failed one.
@@5thStreetFab I have found settings vary greatly depending on machine when I mig like tig. I have also found Miller does it better then any other brand. Lincoln does the worst. That being said.. I have a Lincoln 140 HD that migs like tig exceptionally well.. No idea why. I always run settings higher then recommended. Big circles, quick on the edges, slow through the root. You have to kinda haul ass running temps so high. I did a lot of spray arc structural, then did a lot of decorative (where I learned mig like tig) then went to short arc structural.. I have just combined those experiences into a mig like tig that passes structural x ray lol That's about the best I can explain it without one on one showing you.
Thanks for that, It does show that you can have a good looking weld that doesn't have the fusion needed for ultimate strength. You also explained that, to use the right weld where you need it, or play around when it doesn't really need strength. I tend to get what you showed as the preferred settings for the plate thickness. I have a problem with most videos about settings, I am running a Lincoln Electric STT2 which uses Peak Amps, Background Amps and wire feed in Inches per minute. I never have the wire feed rates you talk about, My highest wirefeed (that I use) is about 200 inches per minute, but I can throw 420 Peak amps at it. At the moment I'm using 1.2mm ER70s6, 390 Peak Amps, 100 Background Amps, 4 on the Tailout and 180 Inches per minute wire feed for a hot, flat weld.
Excellent video comparison of the 2 types of welds. Proof in what you said in an earlier video about the stacking weld beads not being as strong compared to regular MIG beads. Thanks!
I learned a lot from that one. Thanks a lot Watching you do mig like tig that time really was educational. Slow movement and setting I am practicing tomorrow I’m gonna try it I’ve been watching Jody cut and etch. Very good to do. May try that too. Thanks for the vid!!!
I loved this video, thank you so much. I just picked up a mig welder recently and I’m Learning. One thing I’d like to learn more about is how to control the weld puddle. I can see the movement of your wire but it would be nice to know more about the weld puddle and the movement of the wire in relation to the weld puddle. Thank you!
Great video. You have proved a very important point. Stack of dimes looks great but it is not necessarily useful for an integrity perspective. However, practicing a SOD takes great control and is great practice. Master it and you should find doing good quality structural welds is easy. Well, kinda! Thank you.
You can also mess with the settings and alter your speed and angle with the mig like Tig settings to get it to really punch in there. I did this same test and it looked like the "regular" settings. That's why the mig like Tig is widely used in motorsports. Penetration AND looks.
I love the technique, although, I’d be curious to know what the actual failure value would be. Yes it’s not as strong but how strong is it actually... would be interesting to see the difference.
When I mig like tig I complete each circle right at the root of the joint and then drag or push the puddle over and start my next circle (or lower cased e) it helps focus that heat into the joint itself. Try doing it like that and then lets check the comparison.
Great video and comparison brother. I’ve always told people that just because it looks good doesn’t mean it will hold. I just subscribed and I’m going to check out more videos!
Some entry level tig weldings demos be great im considering buying a machine ive done mig welding in my career as automotive structural in collision industry but i would like to learn to tig so much cleaner..enjoy your videos thank you for sharing valuable experience and insights to the trade!
Ya I would but I don't want to buy any haha. The AHP was pretty good, I've heard good things about primeweld and Everlast has some that are slightly more expensive. If you want to weld Aluminum make sure the machine is ac/dc
Sooooo true that the best looking welds aren't always the best.... This video certainly proved it.... I noticed your travel speed was way less on the colder settings....
This explains a lot to me. I've seen a number of your videos and really like how your welds look. In turn, I've never managed to have my welds look like dimes as I always fine tune for penetration before I start laying beads. Have you considered laying a straight root pass with the recommended settings, then cap off with your MLT settings? Thanks for this video!
Awesome video! I enjoyed reading that thread on WW years ago and remember comments about the lack of fusion/penetration. Thanks a lot for showing the cross sections! I wonder of whipping it whipping out in front of the puddle and then dragging back would do the same thing?
Mad Skills. Basic question: How do you keep that spatter down to a minimum? Whenever I turn down the wire speed I get more Spatter! I have had decent luck with spray but I haven't cut weld apart.
I'm pretty sure it's the machine. I'm in the synergic mode so the machine will self adjust to keep the amperage the same throughout. Most people just use that antispatter
I have been studying you Alum Tig clips as well. Probably the best for concise no nonsense info of what a person needs to hear to improve. Good Stuff my friend.
After you cut and sanded it, what did you use to etch? Interesting to see level of penetration, makes me want to be less fancy on my welds(where strength is needed)
Excellent video. I keep trying to tell the world of IG dropping dimes with MIG is not the same as with a TIG and should be avoided unless it's for looks only and has no structural strength requirements.
So heres a question, (sorry if it stupid just learning) What if you did a first pass normal (stronger better) then did a cover pass with the "Tig look" for the style? best of both worlds or just too much metal build up?
How about showing your cut and edge process. I don’t have very good luck seeing results with the Loctite Navel Jelly but I’m sure I’m doing something wrong in the process. Thanks
Ya sure bud. I just didn't want to make the video unnecessarily long. I basically sand it down until I've sanded it with 400 grit and then I use a paper towel to rub the jelly on and I just keep rubbing until I can see the nugget. Then I wipe off all the jelly real quick. Only take maybe 10-20 seconds
I have a Dc only tig unit but I would like to do an aluminum project or two. I think you had mentioned before welding aluminum dc with helium. What would be needed to set this up? Would it be worth it to even try on a hobbyist type unit(150 amp)? Thanks for the great videos.
I personally wouldn't but before you make up your mind I'd watch Bob mofat on weld.com here on TH-cam I think he has 2 or 3 videos on it that might help you out. Helium is expensive
Good job brother I love that about htp too 44# steel spool no problem. Downside might be a hernia lol the pro pulse 200 is an amazing machine htp sells top quality stuff
Always enjoy your video’s. On thin stuff 200 amp welder is ok, but i feel lack of bite and fusion on 3/8 and 1/2”. Guess used Miller XMT from ebay is in future as i cannot afford HTP 300. What machine do you use at work to weld thicker steel? Or is it mostly aluminum?
Thanks bud. We have Lincoln 350mps, miller 350ps and a couple different kinds of XMTs. Mostly just Aluminum. Very rare to weld steel or stainless at my work. And we'll usually just TIG it instead of switching the machine over
Great video. I noticed that your puddles are nice and round. Mine look like a teardrop on its side, with the front of the puddle nice and round, but it has a tail at the end, so it is freezing at the tail, and leaving overlapping shapes like this ◀️◀️◀️what do you think may be causing this? Speed too fast? Wire speed too high? Too hot? I have played around with the setting, and slowed down, but doesn’t seem to help at all. Thanks
Haha my bad I thought this was one of my Aluminum videos! But ya the v's are from high heat. You can either turn it down or try pushing forward rapidly and then back into a circle
New sub, Well done sir. Jody would be proud. now...tubing with mig. think Go kart..Dune buggy. Mig on .83 - .125 steel tube. DOM? Mild steel? So many buggy builders with a Mig and no clue on how to tune the crackle and be sure you have a good weld. After all...my Butt is in this thing going 30+ Mph. Just a suggestion for a audience that wants to know all they can.
Must say this was disappointing because I love your mig like tig method so was hoping it was a strong weld. But it still has a place but what is that. For example would you recommend mig like tig on a bicycle frame or motorcycle frame?
I personally wouldn't. I would rather just tig those. Mig welding small round tubing takes a lot of practice and can lend to a lot of cold lap especially on places where theres multiple coped joints
Ya I just move forward filling in the root and then a slight up down motion it just helps me with better penetration. And yes this was short circuit MIG
5th Street Fab at 400ipm I don’t think you were short circuiting anymore. There was more spatter and the arc was more erratic. It looked to me like you were in globular. The transition out of short circuit typically occurs at 125amps. With the slight oscillating you were doing in short circuit I have a feeling you would have missed the root.
@@scotttaber6824 @Scott Taber ya could have been been globular. For some reason I thought you needed 100% C02 for globular? Maybe I'm wrong haha. I just used the stock settings for it and it said short circuit.
5th Street Fab no you can weld in all 4 transfer modes using an argon mix. I personally find the recommended settings to be way off. Every time I try and run them I end up making pretty significant changes. You’ll probably find the recommended settings found for the wire itself to be far more helpful.
@@scotttaber6824 right on. Thank you. I mostly do TIG work but also quite a bit spool CV and pulsed MIG Aluminum so when I do steel at home I've always used the recommended settings and would tweak it from there or just use spray. Where can I find the wire manufacturers settings? There website maybe? And thanks again
Great video! Tired of trying to explain to people looks isn’t everything. Sometimes the ugliest welds are the strongest ones. This IG show off contest fad has really screwed people’s expectations on what a true proper weld should be.
5th Street Fab your stack of dimes with less fusion is still better than a lot of welds out there lol. Right now I have to reweld a front diff cover because the inside corners seep oil. Pretty crazy a well known company can’t make a diff cover that holds oil after welding inside and out of it. At least the welds look pretty 🤔 lol.
That would be cool but I don't want to buy a new bottle and I've only done it a few times I think we run a tri mix but can't remember the exact mixture
best way to know what gas you need for the wire you are using is to ask the people that sold you the wire. but if it can help you, at work we use a tri-mix gas... argon-helium-co2. we use it on either a pulsing mig welder or standard mig welder. hope it helps.
Your technique on “mig like tig” will change getting down in the root. Stay on the leading edge of the puddle nearly stepping barely ahead of it each time and ease back in the puddle and let it wet out and fill.
Should have done another cut or two to see if the mig/tig was shallow throughout or just that one spot. Also the mig/tig was clearly a colder weld so I expected less from it.
Great video. Any chance I could talk you into etching some pulsed mig at different settings. I’ve not seen anyone etch pulsed mig or stick. I love the propulse 200 sweet machine. Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge with us weekend hobbie guys.
Not really. As long as you don't have undercut you're good. It's above the normal recommended settings on most machines but that's what this one called out for.
I'm a fan of your other videos but I don't think this is a good comparison of these 2 techniques. To say that the "mig like tig" technique isn't as strong is inaccurate. I could tell without you cutting it that you were too cold on your settings. I could see the puddle just stacking on top that's why it was highly convex and you were forced to move so slow. Also, many people that get the stack of dimes look prefer to pull instead of push and that alone will increase your penetration. I'd like to see you do a push vs pull etch test after dialing in your settings better. Don't weld on the backside either. It's not an apples to apples comparison. When welding the backside the joint is no longer the thickness of the material. It's material plus front side weld. Now you forced me to do my own etch tests. Haha. Love your other videos! Keep up the good work!
Men snälla nån då, du kan inte svetsa på båda sidorna för att sedan göra en jämförelse, från att svetsa en plåt som är ca 5 mm första gången, blir nästan vända 12 mm, och vänta du tills den blev sval? och bara förändringen i plåten stålet på andra sidan vid första vändan mjuka liksom upp den andra sidan, du måste använda samma metod för att jämföra exakt.
Hey guys thanks for watching. Let me know what you'd like to see next!
I'd really love to see if you can do flux core welding and replicate those "stack of dimes" look. Thanks in advance!
Open v groove 30° on carbon steel 3/16 to 1/4. 1 g and 3 g
Dont know if you mig weld carbon pipe schedule 40 I work for a plumbing company but I've been welding for about 8 years and I have mostly welded structural with mig tig but not much pipe and trying to work on getting good penetration on carbon steel schedule 40. I just subscribed so hopefully we can see something soon on this thanks in advance for any help
How bout 1/4 in coupon.035 wire cut and etch
Excellent camera work on the actual welding. Thanks again for not speeding up that part. It goes a long way to understanding the actual technique. Cheers!
No problem bud! I think the same thing!
I'm in the process of learning how to MIG weld. Love to see things like this 👍🏼
I like how you just emphasized the point that looks does not determine the stringth. Something not many people stress enough. Thanks.
Ya it's definitely true. I've got another video for TIG Aluminum that will show that too
Thank you! I get a lot of crap about my smooth MIG welds. I love the MIG like TIG for the pretty stuff, and finally learned the technique well from your previous videos, but for the important stuff I always want it burned in nice.
Haha I hear ya bud! And that's the rule I follow too
dirtyford same, idk how many times I have to explain to people looks don’t mean anything. When a ugly weld is some times the strongest. Blame these IG pages who have people believing looks is everything.
Well said. It's about what it looks like INSIDE, not outside...depending on what you're doing of course.
Thanks for the video showing the stronger welds. It seems to me a lot of people are pushing Mig like Tig. Usually when one welds it is strength that is more important than looks. I say just grind it to look as good as you can knowing it should not break. Good video. I actually want to learn how to Tig weld aluminum and sheet metal because of the smaller weld. All of the equipment is expensive and I cannot justify my hobby use of a Tig machine. My HTP 140 is still going strong.
Good video man. Its funny how many people think a good looking weld means a good weld. Keep up good vids. Nice to see a informative and quick to the point vid.
Thanks bud and that really is the truth!
Good work.
Your mig like tig technique is almost exactly like mine. I actually come out of the puddle and try to punch into the root a bit more, but I've also never cut and etched. I think I'll do my own comparison and see how it looks. I'm around 19v and 300 ipm though on an old MM250.
Like the videos, no fluff and right to the point, so thanks for that and for the video.
Right on! That would be awesome to hear about. Be sure to let me know how it goes and thanks for the kind words bud!👊
I do to. I roll out farther, and punch into that root harder. It also allows a higher heat, and I can move faster, with the same appearance result. I've never cut and etched.. But I've x rayed and never failed one.
Nice! I'd love to try that. What are some settings to try? Are you pushing or pulling?
@@5thStreetFab I have found settings vary greatly depending on machine when I mig like tig. I have also found Miller does it better then any other brand. Lincoln does the worst. That being said.. I have a Lincoln 140 HD that migs like tig exceptionally well.. No idea why. I always run settings higher then recommended. Big circles, quick on the edges, slow through the root. You have to kinda haul ass running temps so high. I did a lot of spray arc structural, then did a lot of decorative (where I learned mig like tig) then went to short arc structural.. I have just combined those experiences into a mig like tig that passes structural x ray lol That's about the best I can explain it without one on one showing you.
@@coors1800 I like it dude. Definitely makes sense. I'll start messing with it thanks bud 🍻
Thanks for taking the time to post this. Great stuff!
Thanks for taking the time to watch it bud!
Big difference. Thanks for posting. Always look forward to the videos.
Thanks for watching it bud
You do have mad welding skills! Love your videos---please keep them coming!!!
Thank you and I will!
Thanks for that, It does show that you can have a good looking weld that doesn't have the fusion needed for ultimate strength. You also explained that, to use the right weld where you need it, or play around when it doesn't really need strength. I tend to get what you showed as the preferred settings for the plate thickness. I have a problem with most videos about settings, I am running a Lincoln Electric STT2 which uses Peak Amps, Background Amps and wire feed in Inches per minute. I never have the wire feed rates you talk about, My highest wirefeed (that I use) is about 200 inches per minute, but I can throw 420 Peak amps at it. At the moment I'm using 1.2mm ER70s6, 390 Peak Amps, 100 Background Amps, 4 on the Tailout and 180 Inches per minute wire feed for a hot, flat weld.
Wow that sounds interesting. I've never heard of it. Is it some kind of pulsed MIG?
Excellent video comparison of the 2 types of welds. Proof in what you said in an earlier video about the stacking weld beads not being as strong compared to regular MIG beads. Thanks!
Ya I think this is better evidence than me just telling people it
I learned a lot from that one. Thanks a lot
Watching you do mig like tig that time really was educational. Slow movement and setting
I am practicing tomorrow I’m gonna try it
I’ve been watching Jody cut and etch. Very good to do. May try that too.
Thanks for the vid!!!
Thanks Kevin! Let me know how it goes!
loved it, thanks, great camera work, even better info.
Now HERE, folks, is a great welder. Coming from watching "dime stacking" videos where the welds are TERRIBLE. You sir have a GIFT
Always a good video. I also like the look of the stack of dimes when we use the push and pause technique.
Right on! I use the push and pause for Aluminum all the time and it works great
I loved this video, thank you so much. I just picked up a mig welder recently and I’m Learning. One thing I’d like to learn more about is how to control the weld puddle. I can see the movement of your wire but it would be nice to know more about the weld puddle and the movement of the wire in relation to the weld puddle. Thank you!
Great video. You have proved a very important point. Stack of dimes looks great but it is not necessarily useful for an integrity perspective. However, practicing a SOD takes great control and is great practice. Master it and you should find doing good quality structural welds is easy. Well, kinda! Thank you.
Thanks that was a great demonstration and explanation. As a fairly novice welder this is extremely helpful. Great video. Greetings from Maine.
You can also mess with the settings and alter your speed and angle with the mig like Tig settings to get it to really punch in there. I did this same test and it looked like the "regular" settings. That's why the mig like Tig is widely used in motorsports. Penetration AND looks.
good camera position, viewer can really see how you are working the mig gun, looking forward to this on your Tig vids
Thank you! And I'm starting to work on em!
I love the technique, although, I’d be curious to know what the actual failure value would be. Yes it’s not as strong but how strong is it actually... would be interesting to see the difference.
Its not as strong, but will still hold anything you weld.
When I mig like tig I complete each circle right at the root of the joint and then drag or push the puddle over and start my next circle (or lower cased e) it helps focus that heat into the joint itself. Try doing it like that and then lets check the comparison.
Thanks I'll give it a go!
Excellent video I learned a bunch. I can see now why my everlast pulse mig welder can help prevent blowing holes in thinner material.
Ya pulse is awesome!
Wow that was a great vid man. I liked the camera work and definitely a Jody quality Video. Even the style or pattern of movement was similar.
Thank you! I don't doubt it Jody is a huge inspiration for me!
Thanks man, love that short but very informative videos!
And I guess it's much easier for you as well doing these instead of 20ish minutes ones )
Thanks! I like them to be quick but I always end up having too much to say or explain haha oh well!
5th Street Fab anyway that kind of videos are great! 👏
Great video and comparison brother. I’ve always told people that just because it looks good doesn’t mean it will hold. I just subscribed and I’m going to check out more videos!
Thanks bud and yes thats definitely the truth!
Thank you for the great video. I like doing the mig like tig. But will stick with the strong and sturdy
Definitely not a bad idea!
Some entry level tig weldings demos be great im considering buying a machine ive done mig welding in my career as automotive structural in collision industry but i would like to learn to tig so much cleaner..enjoy your videos thank you for sharing valuable experience and insights to the trade!
Ya I would but I don't want to buy any haha. The AHP was pretty good, I've heard good things about primeweld and Everlast has some that are slightly more expensive. If you want to weld Aluminum make sure the machine is ac/dc
Dam good video my friend! Showing the etch of the two types of penatration is amazing thanks dude👊🏻
Sooooo true that the best looking welds aren't always the best.... This video certainly proved it.... I noticed your travel speed was way less on the colder settings....
This explains a lot to me. I've seen a number of your videos and really like how your welds look. In turn, I've never managed to have my welds look like dimes as I always fine tune for penetration before I start laying beads. Have you considered laying a straight root pass with the recommended settings, then cap off with your MLT settings? Thanks for this video!
Thanks dude! a buddy of mine has been doing a tig root and filling it with MLT. Looks great and should be plenty strong that way.
Awesome video! I enjoyed reading that thread on WW years ago and remember comments about the lack of fusion/penetration. Thanks a lot for showing the cross sections! I wonder of whipping it whipping out in front of the puddle and then dragging back would do the same thing?
Thanks man really improved my technique
Mad Skills. Basic question: How do you keep that spatter down to a minimum? Whenever I turn down the wire speed I get more Spatter! I have had decent luck with spray but I haven't cut weld apart.
I'm pretty sure it's the machine. I'm in the synergic mode so the machine will self adjust to keep the amperage the same throughout. Most people just use that antispatter
Thank you for your prompt reply.
No problem bud
I have been studying you Alum Tig clips as well. Probably the best for concise no nonsense info of what a person needs to hear to improve. Good Stuff my friend.
@@s3gts thanks I'm glad to hear it!
honestly the standard mig didnt look bad at all. Plus it seemed faster to weld. Couple that with the penetration has my vote
After you cut and sanded it, what did you use to etch? Interesting to see level of penetration, makes me want to be less fancy on my welds(where strength is needed)
Ya bud it's just called loctite naval jelly. I think I just bought it at like Walmart
Yes, I learned something. Good idea to show the difference.
Right on and thanks!
Subscribed....like you take the time so show that the good looking weld isn't as strong as a regular weld.
Awesome video max!!!
Thanks Jim!
Excellent video. I keep trying to tell the world of IG dropping dimes with MIG is not the same as with a TIG and should be avoided unless it's for looks only and has no structural strength requirements.
Ya man i found a couple techniques where i can get it to penetrate but it doesnt look as good. I guess youll always have a trade off!
So heres a question, (sorry if it stupid just learning) What if you did a first pass normal (stronger better) then did a cover pass with the "Tig look" for the style? best of both worlds or just too much metal build up?
How about showing your cut and edge process. I don’t have very good luck seeing results with the Loctite Navel Jelly but I’m sure I’m doing something wrong in the process. Thanks
Ya sure bud. I just didn't want to make the video unnecessarily long. I basically sand it down until I've sanded it with 400 grit and then I use a paper towel to rub the jelly on and I just keep rubbing until I can see the nugget. Then I wipe off all the jelly real quick. Only take maybe 10-20 seconds
I have a Dc only tig unit but I would like to do an aluminum project or two. I think you had mentioned before welding aluminum dc with helium. What would be needed to set this up? Would it be worth it to even try on a hobbyist type unit(150 amp)? Thanks for the great videos.
I personally wouldn't but before you make up your mind I'd watch Bob mofat on weld.com here on TH-cam I think he has 2 or 3 videos on it that might help you out. Helium is expensive
Good job brother I love that about htp too 44# steel spool no problem. Downside might be a hernia lol the pro pulse 200 is an amazing machine htp sells top quality stuff
Ya man I'm cleaning my drive rollers more often than wire spools! Haha they've great!
Always enjoy your video’s. On thin stuff 200 amp welder is ok, but i feel lack of bite and fusion on 3/8 and 1/2”. Guess used Miller XMT from ebay is in future as i cannot afford HTP 300.
What machine do you use at work to weld thicker steel? Or is it mostly aluminum?
Thanks bud. We have Lincoln 350mps, miller 350ps and a couple different kinds of XMTs. Mostly just Aluminum. Very rare to weld steel or stainless at my work. And we'll usually just TIG it instead of switching the machine over
Thanks for promt response :)
Just got fresh HTP mag along with mig wire. Them cover weld pics look nice. Congrats man.
@@gandolph3 thanks! I thought it was pretty sweet to have my welds on there!
Thank you for doing a cut test on this I literally got tought not to stack dimes on Mig. It's a waste of time
Yes your right looks over holding power makes big difference
This was eye opening, thank you!
As always really clear, off to fire up the new MIG Welder and learn
Great video. I noticed that your puddles are nice and round. Mine look like a teardrop on its side, with the front of the puddle nice and round,
but it has a tail at the end, so it is freezing at the tail, and leaving overlapping shapes like this ◀️◀️◀️what do you think may be causing this? Speed too fast? Wire speed too high? Too hot? I have played around with the setting, and slowed down, but doesn’t seem to help at all. Thanks
That's from having too much heat. Just back off the pedal a little bit and try again and see how it turns out
Ahhh... we’re talking mig, but I’ll try colder settings
Haha my bad I thought this was one of my Aluminum videos! But ya the v's are from high heat. You can either turn it down or try pushing forward rapidly and then back into a circle
I used to do a lot of MIG like Tig but then I kinda just gave up on it. It's not worth it. A standard MIG bead looks good enough and it's stronger
Is there any way that you could do both techniques at the same settings? That would be more indicative of technique vs setting. Thanks! Great vid!!!
You can but it wouldn't end up good haha you need to match your speed and technique with your settings
5th Street Fab : Well there is that ; )
Great informative video!, Thanks!
Appreciate it buddy!
New sub, Well done sir. Jody would be proud. now...tubing with mig. think Go kart..Dune buggy. Mig on .83 - .125 steel tube. DOM? Mild steel? So many buggy builders with a Mig and no clue on how to tune the crackle and be sure you have a good weld. After all...my Butt is in this thing going 30+ Mph. Just a suggestion for a audience that wants to know all they can.
Awesome video, thank you
Thanks for watching it bud!
What was your Co2/Argon mix ratio and flow settings?
Must say this was disappointing because I love your mig like tig method so was hoping it was a strong weld. But it still has a place but what is that. For example would you recommend mig like tig on a bicycle frame or motorcycle frame?
I personally wouldn't. I would rather just tig those. Mig welding small round tubing takes a lot of practice and can lend to a lot of cold lap especially on places where theres multiple coped joints
@@5thStreetFab thanks that’s what I was afraid of. I have yet to learn Tig. My son wants to build a bike, was hoping to Mig weld it up as a project
One thing I dont understand about root penetration; why would penetration depth matter if the weld bead has fused with the parent method?
When you ran the correct settings, what pattern were you doing, and would this work on short circuit MIG?
Ya I just move forward filling in the root and then a slight up down motion it just helps me with better penetration. And yes this was short circuit MIG
5th Street Fab at 400ipm I don’t think you were short circuiting anymore. There was more spatter and the arc was more erratic. It looked to me like you were in globular. The transition out of short circuit typically occurs at 125amps. With the slight oscillating you were doing in short circuit I have a feeling you would have missed the root.
@@scotttaber6824 @Scott Taber ya could have been been globular. For some reason I thought you needed 100% C02 for globular? Maybe I'm wrong haha. I just used the stock settings for it and it said short circuit.
5th Street Fab no you can weld in all 4 transfer modes using an argon mix. I personally find the recommended settings to be way off. Every time I try and run them I end up making pretty significant changes. You’ll probably find the recommended settings found for the wire itself to be far more helpful.
@@scotttaber6824 right on. Thank you. I mostly do TIG work but also quite a bit spool CV and pulsed MIG Aluminum so when I do steel at home I've always used the recommended settings and would tweak it from there or just use spray. Where can I find the wire manufacturers settings? There website maybe? And thanks again
Standard MIG beautiful inside, MIG like TIG good looking for the eyes
Turn up voltage on 2nd maybe a volt or so. Depends on gas should be close to spray arc at that point. Fast,digs, and looks great
Ya I have a bottle of 90/10 for that but I wanted to compare short arc to short arc. Thanks though!
Thanks for sharing
very nice welder,, i have one , the machine looks like a miller
Great video! Tired of trying to explain to people looks isn’t everything. Sometimes the ugliest welds are the strongest ones. This IG show off contest fad has really screwed people’s expectations on what a true proper weld should be.
You nailed it!
I have been harping on people for years to stop making mig welds look like tig. Run it hot and get it fused. 👍🏻
Haha I'm definitely guilty of making them pretty haha it's just looks so nice I can't help myself!😂
5th Street Fab your stack of dimes with less fusion is still better than a lot of welds out there lol. Right now I have to reweld a front diff cover because the inside corners seep oil. Pretty crazy a well known company can’t make a diff cover that holds oil after welding inside and out of it. At least the welds look pretty 🤔 lol.
Haha I've seen that too! Especially on aluminum. If you want the outside pretty at least weld the inside right!
So generally speaking the “mig like tig” is a bit cooler? (No pun intended). Thanks
Great video 🇺🇸
Thanks!
Well done.
Can you do a demo on MIG stainless steel and what gas you'd recommend ? Video may be overkill lol.
That would be cool but I don't want to buy a new bottle and I've only done it a few times I think we run a tri mix but can't remember the exact mixture
best way to know what gas you need for the wire you are using is to ask the people that sold you the wire. but if it can help you, at work we use a tri-mix gas... argon-helium-co2. we use it on either a pulsing mig welder or standard mig welder. hope it helps.
Never saw it compared like that. Thanks
Your mig like tig you go down one setting or 2 ? On temp and speed
Yes. And wire speed is usually on the low speed of the setting
Thanks for sharing. Great info
Shouldn't the first pass always be a straight bead? I'm still learning
This vid was dope
Hello im learning to mig weld and my welds are really tall can u maybe tell me what im doing wrong?
Too cold
Very good, nice video
Thanks!
nice good mig welder
Thank you!
Thank you so much
Your technique on “mig like tig” will change getting down in the root. Stay on the leading edge of the puddle nearly stepping barely ahead of it each time and ease back in the puddle and let it wet out and fill.
Should have done another cut or two to see if the mig/tig was shallow throughout or just that one spot. Also the mig/tig was clearly a colder weld so I expected less from it.
I really think the recommended settings look better
Camera do you use
Canon sl2
@@5thStreetFab is there a lens or filter you use to get them arc shots
@@5406jake ya i have a 0-400 adjustable nd filter
thank you
What brand is the mig machine?
HTP their website is usaweld.com
I am trying to learn to make the stack din best way is angel iron
Great video.
Any chance I could talk you into etching some pulsed mig at different settings.
I’ve not seen anyone etch pulsed mig or stick.
I love the propulse 200 sweet machine.
Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge with us weekend hobbie guys.
The boy can weld haha fuck! Nice video bro love your stuff
Sweet! 👍
Isnt that "sturdy" bead too hot?
Not really. As long as you don't have undercut you're good. It's above the normal recommended settings on most machines but that's what this one called out for.
I'm a fan of your other videos but I don't think this is a good comparison of these 2 techniques. To say that the "mig like tig" technique isn't as strong is inaccurate. I could tell without you cutting it that you were too cold on your settings. I could see the puddle just stacking on top that's why it was highly convex and you were forced to move so slow. Also, many people that get the stack of dimes look prefer to pull instead of push and that alone will increase your penetration.
I'd like to see you do a push vs pull etch test after dialing in your settings better. Don't weld on the backside either. It's not an apples to apples comparison. When welding the backside the joint is no longer the thickness of the material. It's material plus front side weld.
Now you forced me to do my own etch tests. Haha.
Love your other videos! Keep up the good work!
Let's see you weld with a home mig machine , 4 setting and no trim on the voltage. thanks
I have some older videos on here running an old lincon sp100 and a cheaper everlast. I dont remember their names though
The mig like tig looks cool but its slow but its what some people want
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I think one of the biggest problems with the mig like tig method is you can’t really spend much time in the root of the joint.
Men snälla nån då, du kan inte svetsa på båda sidorna för att sedan göra en jämförelse, från att svetsa en plåt som är ca 5 mm första gången, blir nästan vända 12 mm, och vänta du tills den blev sval? och bara förändringen i plåten stålet på andra sidan vid första vändan mjuka liksom upp den andra sidan, du måste använda samma metod för att jämföra exakt.
Põe legendado em português!ok
lets not forget time is money and the second setting was half the time to complete the same weld.