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Part of your problem is the polarization of the vibration. Your vibratory motor is vibrating things up and down and back and forth in a vertical plane otherwise known as a sagittal plane. What you want though is to rotate your motor 90° so that it's axis of rotation is vertical. This means that your vibration is back and forth and left and right instead of up and down. I believe this will address some of your problems
I have been brainstorming building my own sorting machine, but for cat litter. My first thought was also several drawers with an attachment for my reciprocating saw, then a cement mixer motor, since I just used one when pouring my front steps. This is the exact one I found in my first search, and you've already done a lot of my work for me! Not sure if this thing would be too aggressive for me or not yet, but thanks for sharing!
You do realize that you can adjust the vibration with more than just the speed. That model of vibrator is designed with removable ends once opened there are the offset discs. There are multiple of them on each side and depending on their orientation you can change the poundage or rather the intensity of the vibration. Out-of-the-box they come set at 180°which is around 60 lbs for that motor. But if you offset the discs you can lower that intensity so things aren't flying off on high-power while maintaining the Hi power or speed of the oscillation to keep things sorting
That shovel is a deadly weapon against those poor worms, cutting them in half. Metal used around live worms in that way is a no-no. Thanks for the video.
For the most part I do agree as most of the tools I use in my bins are plastic. But the edge on the shovel is dull and the compost is very loose so they should be okay.
You have a lot of large material making it out the end. To remedy this take a page from gold prospecting. Add a classifier screen (3/4" expanded metal) to the top of the box where you feed material. The vibration will shake and break up material and spread it out more before entering the box. Just bolt it directly to the frame. No need to angle it since you shouldn't have anything larger than the classifier holes in the material.
You might want to consider adding in a bar that runs across at an angle to slow how fast the compost slides down the chute, a second one running opposites that if their is spaces would almost double the time it spends on the chute. Also consider adding a plate at the bottom to limit spray and maybe a hopper on the top for adding soil without the shovel.
I think what you have there is a potentiometer giving you a variable amplitude 60 hz power. You should try a VFD (variable frequency drive) which will give you variable frequency power at full amplitude. This should allow you to turn down your speed more effectively. a vfd is gonna be way more expensive. but its a one time cost. IF you try this do not go below 50 % speed (30 hz) to avoid heat probs with your motor.
Instead of mounting the vibration motor horizontally (giving you up and down vibration), you might want to mount it vertically (giving you side to side vibration)
Mounting the motor at a 180 degree position to what it is currently at could also help. The vibrations could then cause stuck particles to be propelled out of the holes more than they do currently.
The vibratory is still an eccentric cam. So it can throw backwards or forwards and also up or down. You can try rotating 180 degrees same bolt holes or underneath. This is how mining screens are set up
Cool. Im working on building one. I have the sifter frame built but not the stand. I was thinking the sawsaw would be enough. But maybe bought would be better? Both shaking and back and forth? They might not get stuck then. Im learning alot when im gonna get mine operational. Thanks so much.
I'm not sure which is better, the back and forth seems to be better at moving things down the screen where as the vibration can cause things to move in a circle at times. I think starting cheap and moving up works unless this is for a professional business.
for these motors, you will want to start them on maximum, and turn them down as you like so long as they don't stall, as if they are on and just sit there, they are burning themselves out. Better longevity to keep them on high to start to get them in motion. They are set up kind of like old fans, High is always the on setting, then medium, then low.
Dear Sir, I respect your work and video. Great job !! If you do not mind i would love to give you some tip how to get a better screening and oscilation in order to have better and long life times on that screen / vibro feeder. First of all the vibration motor you are using is not 100Wat. We are manufacturing that motor in Turkey. That motors has 3 different cengrifugal force options. If it has 22-25 ish kilogram-force than that motor is probably 25wat. But if that motor has 40-45 ish kgf or 60-65 ish kgf than that motor is probably 50wat. Same housing, same feet mounting sizes..etc. To select correct motor, you need to sum weight of screen, base frame weight and the total material which will pass over the screen per minute. This will give you a expamle that how much kilogram-force your motor will need minimum per minute. Lets say your screen + base frame + material per minutes = 25kg In this case your motor is correct. For oscialtion the machine I suggest you add there our oscilation units to have more life time for the machine. If you are interested i can send you our product details via email. Also i can help you with some example drawings with dimensions and technical drawings... Please let me know via my email address or cell phone ( whatsapp ); 1) bealtas@milochem.com (Personal email address) 2) +905365464504 ( Personal cell phone )
I'm not familiar with motors and I can only go with the description given on amazon which says 100w amzn.to/3d2tsVI I had to dial down the motor as it had well more power than I needed really. The only issue I have is that the material I put on the screen would spin around back toward the top. I'm actually in the process of redesigning this but haven't got around to making the changes yet. I still think using the recip saw worked a bit better as it moved the entire tray and everything seemed to move as expected. The problem is control which is limited due to the trigger being almost an on/off switch.
No everything is good, if you check my channel I have some time lapse videos and that is the flash of the camera in that box. It is a bright flash so it is really hard to keep all the light in the box.
I wonder if you can get a vibration motor that only vibrates in one plane to better simulate the reciprocation movement that your system seems to be optimized for....
I think with this upgrade I might have gained a tool to help with using a recip saw. The controller attached to a plug in saw might do the trick so I have more control on the speed. Testing it again and I think the vibration might be too rough.
I thought of your harvester when I saw this video. I bet that something like this would work really nicely with your system: th-cam.com/video/oKyxndQahJg/w-d-xo.html
What sort of setup does the brockwood sifter use? I cant find any pics of the control box online. From the website, it uses a 1/3hp motor, belt driven crank shaft, tie rod ends, and hime joints.
I wasn't sure but if you watch my next video on Bin 2 I think the vibration is too much and too many worms are sticking to the aluminum screen which didn't happen before. But I think this gave me an idea to use the same speed controller with a plug in recip saw so I can control the speed. Just need to pick one up.
I know this will make more work to get the Worms out, but how about leveling out the grate instead of having the slant, and go with 1/8th inch all the way? I think with your vibration motor that might work.
I can change the angle but I don't have a spare section of 1/8 inch and I would probably want to order just a longer section as well so it doesn't rattle.
Hello really inspired by your handmade set. Can you please let me know where you obtained those metal screens. I think there are two different sized. I really could use this. Thanks
They are two different size holes but both are the same size (2ft x2ft). I ordered them off Ebay years ago and they only track the last year of orders so I'm not sure which company I ordered from. I do have more videos on the compost sorter. Playlist th-cam.com/play/PLLEZ5krxcR7YXQlipGWzAMpOMV8HbGWcC.html
Are you familiar with the YT channel Captain Matt's Worms? He's got a very similar sifter that he uses. He separates the 'just castings' that go thru the smaller screen and the 'castings + cocoons' that go thru the larger screen. He scoops a bunch of material in, then uses a thin piece of wood that's about as wide as the sifter is so he can slow down the material and help the sift happen
@@WorldComposting yours looks like a great DIY version of that machine! My comment was mostly aimed at pointing out the thin piece of wood he uses to help sift. Your big pieces shake off and move down to the "large piece bucket" very fast. I think you'd get better results with less rounds of running your material over the machine if you actually slow down the falling of the pieces. I do think my suggestion might make your worms-falling-thru problem worse tho...
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If I had more clearance it might work but I'm afraid the shaking in that direction will start hitting the wood side supports. I also think the screen needs to move forward to get the material to slide if unless it is very dry.
I purchased these off ebay but I'm not sure which company as eBay doesn't have information going that far back on my account. The purchase was of perforated aluminum in a 24x24 inch square. I have two sizes 1/4 inch and 1/8 inch. I'm sure there are others selling on ebay today.
That is not faster than a simple non motorized table top version. Not your fault, i don't think these designs work at all. A large trommel or a table top sliding version are the two options
It seems you didn’t solve any of your issues, while greatly increasing the noise level. Hell, I have to wear cans to watch the video. Still, it’s an experiment I don’t have to do :) Thanks.
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Part of your problem is the polarization of the vibration. Your vibratory motor is vibrating things up and down and back and forth in a vertical plane otherwise known as a sagittal plane. What you want though is to rotate your motor 90° so that it's axis of rotation is vertical. This means that your vibration is back and forth and left and right instead of up and down. I believe this will address some of your problems
I have been brainstorming building my own sorting machine, but for cat litter. My first thought was also several drawers with an attachment for my reciprocating saw, then a cement mixer motor, since I just used one when pouring my front steps. This is the exact one I found in my first search, and you've already done a lot of my work for me! Not sure if this thing would be too aggressive for me or not yet, but thanks for sharing!
You do realize that you can adjust the vibration with more than just the speed. That model of vibrator is designed with removable ends once opened there are the offset discs. There are multiple of them on each side and depending on their orientation you can change the poundage or rather the intensity of the vibration. Out-of-the-box they come set at 180°which is around 60 lbs for that motor. But if you offset the discs you can lower that intensity so things aren't flying off on high-power while maintaining the Hi power or speed of the oscillation to keep things sorting
That shovel is a deadly weapon against those poor worms, cutting them in half. Metal used around live worms in that way is a no-no. Thanks for the video.
For the most part I do agree as most of the tools I use in my bins are plastic. But the edge on the shovel is dull and the compost is very loose so they should be okay.
You have a lot of large material making it out the end. To remedy this take a page from gold prospecting. Add a classifier screen (3/4" expanded metal) to the top of the box where you feed material. The vibration will shake and break up material and spread it out more before entering the box. Just bolt it directly to the frame. No need to angle it since you shouldn't have anything larger than the classifier holes in the material.
You might want to consider adding in a bar that runs across at an angle to slow how fast the compost slides down the chute, a second one running opposites that if their is spaces would almost double the time it spends on the chute.
Also consider adding a plate at the bottom to limit spray and maybe a hopper on the top for adding soil without the shovel.
Capt Matt uses a small board and pushes castings back up so they spend more time sifting. Les large chunks in end.
Great video. I think it would be nice to see different speeds with different angles.
I think that the inclination is to much, try to give the panel less incination this give the casting more time to pass trough the panel's holes
I think what you have there is a potentiometer giving you a variable amplitude 60 hz power. You should try a VFD (variable frequency drive) which will give you variable frequency power at full amplitude. This should allow you to turn down your speed more effectively. a vfd is gonna be way more expensive. but its a one time cost. IF you try this do not go below 50 % speed (30 hz) to avoid heat probs with your motor.
Instead of mounting the vibration motor horizontally (giving you up and down vibration), you might want to mount it vertically (giving you side to side vibration)
Mounting the motor at a 180 degree position to what it is currently at could also help. The vibrations could then cause stuck particles to be propelled out of the holes more than they do currently.
Have the bottom on hinges and the top resting on magnets repelling each other . It will vibrate more freely
Interesting idea but I'm not sure how the hinges will work as they go between the posts.
The vibratory is still an eccentric cam. So it can throw backwards or forwards and also up or down. You can try rotating 180 degrees same bolt holes or underneath. This is how mining screens are set up
Thanks for the video. It's nice to see how your idea has progressed. Did you buy the 100 W version of the vibration motor?
The castings are nice. Take care. 😎
Thanks, you too!
Cool. Im working on building one. I have the sifter frame built but not the stand. I was thinking the sawsaw would be enough. But maybe bought would be better? Both shaking and back and forth? They might not get stuck then. Im learning alot when im gonna get mine operational. Thanks so much.
I'm not sure which is better, the back and forth seems to be better at moving things down the screen where as the vibration can cause things to move in a circle at times. I think starting cheap and moving up works unless this is for a professional business.
1:32 can this device use to generate vibrate to the wall/ceiling?
Do you still use this setup? I like the rope idea I might do the same.
for these motors, you will want to start them on maximum, and turn them down as you like so long as they don't stall, as if they are on and just sit there, they are burning themselves out.
Better longevity to keep them on high to start to get them in motion.
They are set up kind of like old fans, High is always the on setting, then medium, then low.
Thanks for telling me this. I noticed to get it working I really needed to turn it on all the way then turn it down. I'll do that going forward!
Dear Sir,
I respect your work and video. Great job !!
If you do not mind i would love to give you some tip how to get a better screening and oscilation in order to have better and long life times on that screen / vibro feeder.
First of all the vibration motor you are using is not 100Wat. We are manufacturing that motor in Turkey. That motors has 3 different cengrifugal force options. If it has 22-25 ish kilogram-force than that motor is probably 25wat.
But if that motor has 40-45 ish kgf or 60-65 ish kgf than that motor is probably 50wat. Same housing, same feet mounting sizes..etc.
To select correct motor, you need to sum weight of screen, base frame weight and the total material which will pass over the screen per minute. This will give you a expamle that how much kilogram-force your motor will need minimum per minute.
Lets say your screen + base frame + material per minutes = 25kg
In this case your motor is correct.
For oscialtion the machine I suggest you add there our oscilation units to have more life time for the machine.
If you are interested i can send you our product details via email.
Also i can help you with some example drawings with dimensions and technical drawings...
Please let me know via my email address or cell phone ( whatsapp );
1) bealtas@milochem.com (Personal email address)
2) +905365464504 ( Personal cell phone )
I'm not familiar with motors and I can only go with the description given on amazon which says 100w amzn.to/3d2tsVI
I had to dial down the motor as it had well more power than I needed really. The only issue I have is that the material I put on the screen would spin around back toward the top. I'm actually in the process of redesigning this but haven't got around to making the changes yet. I still think using the recip saw worked a bit better as it moved the entire tray and everything seemed to move as expected. The problem is control which is limited due to the trigger being almost an on/off switch.
What is that ARC FLASH at 5:34 and 8:32 and 10:32 on left bottom corner of wall?
Did something short out?
No everything is good, if you check my channel I have some time lapse videos and that is the flash of the camera in that box. It is a bright flash so it is really hard to keep all the light in the box.
I wonder if you can get a vibration motor that only vibrates in one plane to better simulate the reciprocation movement that your system seems to be optimized for....
I think with this upgrade I might have gained a tool to help with using a recip saw. The controller attached to a plug in saw might do the trick so I have more control on the speed. Testing it again and I think the vibration might be too rough.
It's always fun watching things go from idea to actuality 👍🏼
I thought of your harvester when I saw this video. I bet that something like this would work really nicely with your system: th-cam.com/video/oKyxndQahJg/w-d-xo.html
you need a removable stop at each screen so you dont need to keep shoving the castings back up
I say use 1/8" the whole way through and if worms get into the sifted castings, put them in your garden. Your bin will recover in a few days.
Where did you buy the perforated metal? Do you know if there is perforated plastic with close spacing available? Loved your video.
I purchased it off eBay as I couldn't find it at an affordable price locally. It was such a while ago I can't seem to find the exact company.
The wieghts can be adjusted in the motor ends to set vibration intensity. May or may not help.
I think the vibration was fine except the material would move in a circle going back up the sides instead of down the ramp.
I would raise the lower end up more to slow the down slid
What sort of setup does the brockwood sifter use? I cant find any pics of the control box online. From the website, it uses a 1/3hp motor, belt driven crank shaft, tie rod ends, and hime joints.
I'm not sure what they are using to move the shaker. It is why I keep trying different things to mimic it.
where do you the screen buy the screen. I have the .250 but I need the .125
Cool setup! The heavy vibration doesn’t do damage to the worms?
I wasn't sure but if you watch my next video on Bin 2 I think the vibration is too much and too many worms are sticking to the aluminum screen which didn't happen before. But I think this gave me an idea to use the same speed controller with a plug in recip saw so I can control the speed. Just need to pick one up.
I know this will make more work to get the Worms out, but how about leveling out the grate instead of having the slant, and go with 1/8th inch all the way? I think with your vibration motor that might work.
I can change the angle but I don't have a spare section of 1/8 inch and I would probably want to order just a longer section as well so it doesn't rattle.
the only problem with this suggestion is there is no way to separate cocoons from the end.
@@jerrycallison6125 Agreed, but that is not the objective at this point in the process.
You have to use a motor that has brushes for the speed control to work.
@8:30 what was that flash of light?
Flash from a camera taking a Time lapse of the worms.
Hello really inspired by your handmade set. Can you please let me know where you obtained those metal screens. I think there are two different sized. I really could use this. Thanks
They are two different size holes but both are the same size (2ft x2ft). I ordered them off Ebay years ago and they only track the last year of orders so I'm not sure which company I ordered from. I do have more videos on the compost sorter. Playlist th-cam.com/play/PLLEZ5krxcR7YXQlipGWzAMpOMV8HbGWcC.html
Are you familiar with the YT channel Captain Matt's Worms? He's got a very similar sifter that he uses. He separates the 'just castings' that go thru the smaller screen and the 'castings + cocoons' that go thru the larger screen. He scoops a bunch of material in, then uses a thin piece of wood that's about as wide as the sifter is so he can slow down the material and help the sift happen
The machine he has is what I based this on mine was a couple hundred mainly for the perforated sheet compared to thousands.
@@WorldComposting yours looks like a great DIY version of that machine!
My comment was mostly aimed at pointing out the thin piece of wood he uses to help sift.
Your big pieces shake off and move down to the "large piece bucket" very fast. I think you'd get better results with less rounds of running your material over the machine if you actually slow down the falling of the pieces. I do think my suggestion might make your worms-falling-thru problem worse tho...
Where did you get your vibrating motor
Purchased via Amazon. Here are some referral links to the parts I used. I have to admit the motor works really well but the rotation of the castings didn't work very well as they would reach the side them go back up the ramp.
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Looks great! Do you have a build plan/ materials list? I'd like to build one.
Sorry no real build plans as I'm not an engineer and I was making things up based on the extra wood I had around the house.
What about mounting the motor on the side, would that change the shaking motion?
If I had more clearance it might work but I'm afraid the shaking in that direction will start hitting the wood side supports. I also think the screen needs to move forward to get the material to slide if unless it is very dry.
Think the angle is to steep!
I think you got it, where did you get the screen, I've been looking all over only could find small pieces
The screen was purchased on eBay as I couldn't find anything local that was reasonably priced. Most wanted 500+ to make one screen.
@@WorldComposting thanks do you have a link for screen on Ebay or what's the name of the screen
where were you able to find the screens at?
I purchased these off ebay but I'm not sure which company as eBay doesn't have information going that far back on my account. The purchase was of perforated aluminum in a 24x24 inch square. I have two sizes 1/4 inch and 1/8 inch. I'm sure there are others selling on ebay today.
That is not faster than a simple non motorized table top version. Not your fault, i don't think these designs work at all. A large trommel or a table top sliding version are the two options
Where did you find the motor
Motor was on amazon here is a link to the motor I purchased amzn.to/3d2tsVI (Referral link)
one thing worms hate is vibration 😬
True but this is only for sorting and temporary.
It seems you didn’t solve any of your issues, while greatly increasing the noise level. Hell, I have to wear cans to watch the video. Still, it’s an experiment I don’t have to do :) Thanks.
It didn't solve the issues I hoped it would. Sorry I thought I turned down the sound on the video when it was running.
Your tilt I think is too much. Maybe if you lower the tilt a bit, the castsing will have more time over the screens
Please look at the video I thought I saw a spark coming out of the wall I may be wrong but look at the video
It was a flash from the camera doing a time lapse off to the left. All is good but thanks for saying so just in case!
I think this is a lot if stress for the worms 🪱
It is but the idea is to make it as quick as possible. I'm sure having them dig down via the light method over an hour is not fun for them either.