To be fair, Duel Links basically confirms that Yugioh as a series exists as a multiverse. We know this because Paradox, Aporia and Z-One have an interaction in that game where they realise that there are different parallel histories that were, most likely, caused by THEIR time travel shenanigans. The big tip off being an interaction where Paradox can talk to Pegasus and realise that he comes from a universe where he died after having the Millennium Eye removed by Bakura. Which obviously made no sense to Paradox as Pegasus is still alive in the anime's version of events. The final antagonists of 5Ds, after discussing this, then resolve to , effectively, wait to see how things play out and whether these different futures show any promise.
The movie explicitely show us that the time travel logic does not involve branching, you change the past and the future begans to rewrite itself based on those changes, so the changes shouldn't have effect in the multiverse, they are just part of a multiverse where similar things happen
@@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu Yeah, the multiverse has nothing to do with timetravel, it is just the natural splitting of how diffrent realities would play out.
@@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu keep in mind, they *assume* that they caused the branching timelines. Its more of a hypothesis that they base on this completely new info. Based on their interactions in the game anyway.
I like to think that time travel in 5Ds is purposefully broken because Illiaster actually broke time in the most literal sense. The fact that changing time not creating a new timeline instead of rewriting the current one probably made Z-one to overload the timeline to the point that he can actually splinter into multiple timelines. But this just caused dozens of inconsistencies across the first three shows.
Duel Links confirms this actually. Illiaster's members literally talk about how they didn't expect it, but that they would wait to see how things played out.
@@filipvadas7602 Duel Links is not canon to anything. It is its own canon, like Capsule Monsters or the Pyramid of Light movie that was based on events up to the end of Battle City.
@@darkglass3011stop that crap the creator of Yu-Gi-Oh would be pissed off at you for saying that he himself said duel links is Canon and all is Canon it's time you learned that because he counted that is Canon and said kaiba made it are you the Creator know so if the creator of Yu-Gi-Oh said a couple years before he passed that is Cannon and counts with everything else and everything else is can and then it is so😊
@@leosnyder5264 Post the link where Kazuki Takahashi said that before his passing, whether it's an official statement or an interview. If you can't, then that means it doesn't exist and Duel Links is therefore non-canon just like the Pyramid of Light movie or Capsule Monsters.
Paradox's plan is stupider for more reasons than what was described in the video. A lot of the major threats in the overall show are actual gods and monstrous spirits. Some of which were explicitly *_SEALED_* within stone tablets to prevent them from causing more destruction than if they were simply within the souls of humans. Without the sealing technique, these monsters would have torn apart the world, and we wouldn't be here. But because things went awry, the monsters started coming back. Disregarding the fact that it's filler, the Waking the Dragons arc showed that these spirits would come back, and without the game itself, there would be no way to combat them without some otherworldly power. The Earthbound Immortals are the same deal. Actual real-life spirits that were sealed into the Nazca Lines. They would have escaped too. So by sealing them within cards, they not only are much easier to combat, but they are also much easier to study. Scientists would have no real frame of reference as to whether or not a god is benevolent or malevolent until they are unleashed. So by putting them into cards, they are not only more easier to control, but a regular person on the street would have a fighting chance against them. The Asier cards are benevolent, but we wouldn't know that until they were put into cards. Putting things into cards means that they can be used for good or for evil. So Paradox going back in time to stop the game altogether basically screws everything over. Yami Marik terrorizes the world with the Millennium Rod, the Light of Destruction goes on a rampage, and the Earthbound Immortals wreck whatever's left of the world.
Considering the virtual pods from Noah's arc and the castle where the dragons were frozen in the Doma arc are both in GX you have to call GX filler if you dismiss those arcs as filler. It's anime canon where Pegasus never died, it's incompatible with the manga.
Omg, I didn't even consider that, but that's so true! The Yugioh world *needs* Duel Monsters, otherwise they'd just get obliterated by nearly every all-powerful being that exists in that world!
@@genyakozlov1316 Honestly, I disregarded it to avoid anyone saying "It's filler though. It doesn't count." Since it's anime canon, that makes Paradox's even more stupid because now the Great Leviathan just blows up the world.
I like the idea that Yliastor WAS trying to change history for 3000 years, but with every attempt to change history… history would fight back. Time doesn’t like to be changed, It tries to keep the status quo.
Not always, though. It was precisely because of Yliastor that Yusei worked to create a new energy source to replace the Momentum reactor. And if SpellCommander's theory about Yusei inventing Xyz is correct, Yusei successfully created an entirely new, thriving future, which we know as Zexal, through his research.
@@donovanfaust3227 No one actually says it, and of course after so many tries Yliastor did change the future. But it would explain why they didn't do anything drastic to change the timeline, like killing Pegasus before *actually creating Duel Monsters* like Spell suggested. Time didn't let them. It's just a theory.
@@donovanfaust3227 According to how they canonically ran through way too many timeline-alterations and the destroyed future persisted. You can say it makes them look like idiots, but it makes more sense to instead assume that causality tries its best to reject change. Like the example of "you can't just prevent someone being shot to death by setting off the gunner's aim, the bullet will just reflect into the victim again, you gotta prevent it being fired to begin with".
Personally, I believe the explanation to how Yugi knew to give Jaden Winged Kuriboh when they first met in ep.1 of GX is all thanks to the Paradox duel. The Yugi we see in the beginning of GX is the same Yugi that dueled against Paradox with Jaden and Yusei all grown up. When Yugi saw Jaden running towards the duel academy exams, he recognized him as the same guy who dueled alongside him all those years ago, but younger. and so Yugi basically decided to give Jaden his winged Kuriboh to set him on the path to become that same duelist he knew from the Paradox duel. And thanks to it, by extension entirety of GX (and 5Ds) anime series as we know them ARE the future of the timeline that came from Yusei, Jaden and Yugi defeating Paradox in the BBT movie. This way, Yugi had always ended up meeting up Jaden and Yusei during his (DM) time period, thus setting the rest of the YGO anime timeline. The timeline in which the BBT movie duel did not happen is the GX and 5Ds MANGA timelines. In the GX manga, Jaden had never stumble across Yugi, but rather a different manga original dude, who also ends up giving Jaden Winged Kuriboh. So Jaden is always destined to get WK, it's just that it's not Yugi who he necessarily gets it from. Following it, with the changes to the GX timeline the 5Ds timeline changes as well to a universe were the time traveling Illiaster stuff never happened, and instead it kept up to it's Dark Signers cult ways. And fittingly, there are no 2 Yugis left behind after the Paradox duel, at least not in the same timeline. Since the timeline in YGO (as it was explained in 5ds) always keeps 'fixing' itself around the latest time changing events, 1 Yugi would get "erased" out of existence depending on the results of the duel. Meaning the Yugi who didn't duel Paradox would be removed out of the BBT/ DM-5Ds anime timeline, and go to exist in a universe were the GX and 5Ds stories went in their manga direction instead. The Yugi who did duel Paradox would end up to be our DM anime Yugi, who woudl free the spirit of the Pharaoh, only to meet Jaden running late to the duel academy exams 10 years later.
It's also possible that both being the same person/people maybe the timeline corrected that discrepancy by later merging them. Almost as if they were overlayed
@boyishdude1234 No. If anything that seems to make less sense with leaps of logic from something that doesn't seem belong like trying a op isekai protagonist appear in Tearmoon Empire regardless of how out of place they'd be.
I think Zero Reverse always happened. In Zones OG timeline, it happened accidentally. In the modified Illiaster timeline they made sure it happened to ensure Yusei would remain the same hero he was in their timeline. Maybe their time meddling led to a period without Zero Reverse but the realized, without the separation of Neo Domino city, there was no hero Yusie for Zone to use as inspiration. Also I feel like while Illiasters plans all see half baked, like why not kill Pegasus before he invents Duel Monsters, I have to give them the benefit of the doubt that they are trying to walk a fine line of both savings the planet, while not erasing their original human existences.
@BurstFlare I don't think the deaths of insicnificant individuals mater in their plans. I am just saying that, a big key in time travel shenanigans is how do I change the futures, by altering the past without erasing myself. Like If Grandpa Moto dies when Pegasus is killed, its not erasing Paradox from history. But stopping the recreation of Duel Monsters and the Shadow games would. Which is why Illiaster picks events to target that seem out of place and inefficient.
@@bbro43 Considering how far into the future he's from, there'd be way too many unknowns for his methods to make sense if that was his goal. The most logical solution in that case would just be to kill Pegasus in private, but instead he blew up an entire venue and endangered an entire crowd, including what could've been his ancestors. Either he doesn't care about his own existence or he knows that he'll continue to exist regardless because time travel stuff. I'm assuming the latter 'cause Iliaster didn't just vanish when they changed the past.
Theres something you miss, one of the Goodwin brothers actually had both a signer and dark signer mark, and the dark signer mark was slowly corrupted him, and he might have become a dark signer in the original timeline and killed yusei father and mother to actually awaken his earthbound
Here's a random idea I got from this video... What if the Time duplicate Yugi/Yami is the one who sends Jaden back in time in the GX final? Since that version of them would still have magical powers and what not. He could also be the one that appears in the first episode, since that Yugi had the deeper voice, and if DSoD is anything to go by, Yugi's voice doesn't seem to be getting any deeper by the time he's 16/17. No idea how any of that would work and I'm sure there's a mountain of contradictions to prove me wrong... but it's still a fun possibility... Still, great video as always!
Sure seems like if Konami realized this error of continuity, this fact of an unacknowledged time-twin technically provides an excuse to use Yugi/Atem again virtually anywhen they want, while leaving the original story intact.
The idea of 2 Yugis is fascinating, but maybe the time travel was recent enough that this Yugi just.. replaced the other Yugi? It sounds weird, but that's how I always rationalized it. I also like the idea that Illiaster gave Yugi the power to send Jaden back to duel young Yugi, although I have also heard the (admittedly lame) theory that the duel between yugi and Jaden at the end of GX was just a dream. I try to think about time travel and fate in Yu-Gi-Oh in the same way that fate is viewed in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, which one of the properties that initially inspired Kazuki Takahashi to make Yu-Gi-Oh in the first place, so I feel like it's valid. In JoJo, fate is an extremely tangible force that can be interacted with by certain abilities known as stands, but the short of it is that in JoJo, fate is a force that dictates very specific things to happen, regardless of any circumstances. No matter what-- if something is fated to happen, IT WILL HAPPEN. Perhaps, Pegasus was fated to create duel monsters no matter how Illiaster could have interfered (slightly unrelated side note, but in the Paradox unlock event in duel links, when dueling Paradox as Pegasus, Pegasus somewhat echoes the sentiment that even if he's gone, duel monsters will continue to thrive and evolve). Perhaps that would be why they had to wait until after he created the game, and certain events involving him occured, to try to kill him. It sounds dumb when I say it this way, but maybe their plan had no choice but to be a bad plan due to how fate operates. Additionally, it's entirely possible that Yusei was fated to go to the facility, get his mark (which Z-ONE immitates as well), and defeat the Dark Signers. I know it sounds like a bit of a cop-out, to just put it all on this vague force of "fate," but that's what makes it enjoyable for me, since it provides an (admittedly lazy-ish) answer to questions regarding continuity.
A "synonym" for fate in JoJo is gravity. A force that pulls stand users together. Even after the universe reset (twice), all the characters ended up meeting again. And gravity is an important component to time travel, theoretically. Not sure where I'm going with this, but it is plausible that the excessive energy from the momentum reactors somehow messed up time, even before Illiaster got to it. But that's just a theory, a card games on motorcycles theory.
@@njpharosespecially considering that Dueling Energy and shadow games are already magical forces with comparable power levels to stands in JoJo. A massive surge could easily cause a ripple throughout all of fate.
Tbh I don't think the 2 Yugis theory holds, the Millenium Puzzle gave Yugi a buff to exist out of time and space. So when Yusei took Yugi back in time before his Grandpa died it was still that same Yugi that existed in that timeline, thanks to the Puzzle. Think like if Yugi was a bookmark and you just turned a couple pages back and put Yugi there. Sorry if that confusing lmao
18:06-18:10 Spoilers for the Arc-V manga ... It turns out that the duelist characters in the manga (with the exception of Shingo Sawatari & Shun Kurosaki) are from a destroyed future where they go back in time to stop Genesis Omega Dragon from being used to keep destroying time.
Glad to see you are back in making videos man. I really miss the GX rewrite series, but it is up to you whether you wanna keep going with it or not. Awating your new videos soon
*About your criticisms about time travel in the series:* 1. "Why did Yliaster go with the plan that they did when they had 3000 years?" - My rebuttal is: no _significant_ change would have occurred otherwise. To be able to change the past in a meaningful way, Z-ONE and Yliaster would have to be in positions of power and gain influence on what can and cannot happen whether it is politically, financially, or other. That is the reason why Yliaster as a secret organization exists in the first place. They have political and financial influence, and they can leverage that to make changes that matter. 2. "Z-ONE and Yliaster created a paradox when they made the first Zero Reverse happen, leading to the Momentum reactors in their own time to detonate" - Not exactly. Remember, in Z-ONE's timeline, Yusei was a legendary hero who fought against the Earthbound Gods and developed Accel Synchro. Rudger Godwin (Rex's brother) caused Zero Reverse because someone from Yliaster told him to do it. Likely what happened is that Yusei fought against the Dark Signers in the original timeline, but Z-ONE's interference caused Yusei and the other Signers to have their fight with their Dark counterparts much *sooner* in the main timeline than in the original one. The same thing occurred with Accel Synchro where Z-ONE sent Antinomy to teach Yusei how to Accel Synchro much sooner than when he was originally supposed to in the original timeline. Also remember that when Antinomy was trying to teach Yusei how to Accel Synchro in his Riding Duel with Placido, that the energy generated by Momentum was something that was used since ancient times. It was Yusei's father Dr. Fudo who *rediscovered* this energy, and when negative energy is generated, the Earthbound Gods would have used this energy to help in their resurrection. The Earthbound Gods would have been resurrected anyway even without Yliaster's interference, but Yliaster's actions made it so that the Earthbounds were resurrected *sooner* than when they supposed to in their original timeline. 3. "Why is Smashing Arc Cradle into Neo Domino City the best they could come up with to save the future?" Remember how the apocalypse was triggered? Synchro Summoning + the Momentum reactor. Even in the first few episodes of the first season, they mentioned that Synchro Summoning causes the Momentum reactor to spin faster, thus generating more energy than normal. In Z-ONE's future, humanity organized an event where each person Synchro summons at the same time as each other in order to generate so much energy that it would at minimum meet the energy demands needed to advance their society at the rate that they wanted. This of course lead to the Zero Reverse incident on a global scale that lead to the apocalypse. Z-ONE, Yliaster, and Paradox tried _multiple_ approaches to save the future. When one failed, they took on a different approach each time: Plan A of saving the future was halting the development of the Momentum reactor by causing Zero Reverse, making it so that the Momentum reactors in the future never existed in the first place. This didn't succeed as it only _delayed_ the Reactor's development and a successful one was created in Neo Domino City in present day. Plan B of saving the future was getting rid of Synchro Summoning since it was the catalyst for the Momentum reactors of the future to spin out of control in the first place. This is why Team New World has such a deep hatred for Synchro Summoning. Since the Duel Monsters Card game was the basis for Synchro Summoning, Paradox was sent back in time to kill Pegasus so that the Duel Monsters Card game doesn't advance enough to the point where Synchros were introduced. Pegasus likely has involvement in the introduction of Synchros in the Duel Monsters Card Game since he is the creator, which is likely why Paradox chose that time period to assasinate him. The 3 protagonists of the Bonds Beyond Time movie foiled Paradox's mission however. Plan C was Z-ONE sending Antinomy to Yusei so that Yusei would learn Accel Synchro at a much earlier point in time than when he was originally supposed to in Z-ONE's timeline. Z-ONE did this because he had faith that Yusei would be able to find the answer to save the future if Yusei learned about Accel Synchro at an earlier point in time. Plan D - At some point, Z-ONE realized that he didn't have much time left to live. He knew that he wouldn't be able to live long enough to see if Plan C succeeded or to keep trying. Once he dies, humanity is doomed if Plan C fails because humanity is unaware of their ultimate fate in Z-ONE's future and wouldn't take the necessary precautions to prevent it from happening. Z-ONE couldn't risk humanity's survival by rolling the dice on Yusei or to keep trying any longer, which is why he took drastic measures with the plan to crash Arc Cradle into Neo Domino City as a last ditch effort to save humanity from extinction. Neo Domino City at that point in time has the only completed and working Momentum Reactor in the world. By ensuring its destruction as well as all traces on how to build it (research on its development likely being kept in the city itself since it isn't widespread throughout the world yet), Z-ONE hopes to wipe out the existence of the Momentum Reactor from the future so that the global scale Zero Reverse incident that caused humanity's extinction never happened in the first place. To me, the writing is actually solid. The pieces are all there. It's just a matter of putting it together like with Yusei's Junk deck.
The Go Rush Time Travel really threw me for a loop. I honestly thought Go Rush took place after Sevens in the timeline, not that it was actually the chronological origin of Rush Duels caused by Yuga being sent into the past and that the reason Rush Duels didn't exist in Sevens before he invented them was because they became Master/Goha Duels between the time periods of Sevens and Go Rush. But that did solve a big issue I had with Sevens, that being the fact that "Rush Duel" was printed on the cards before Yuga even invented Rush Duels, by making it so that they always were Rush Duel cards and that they weren't being used for their original purpose until Yuga brought back Rush Duels by inventing the Duel Format.
I'd basically think of it as working on something resembling Steins;Gate rules and everything suddenly makes sense. You have certain specific timelines that exist and whatever timeline the world sticks to has certain events locked in place. Small changes can occur via time travel but major events will go unchanged. In order to force the timeline to hop to a different one, you need a lot of changes and small changes make it easier to make a large jump. Honestly this logic is pretty close to a default for most time travel stories, because it makes it so that writers don't need to be constantly thinking of, "oh this guy went back in time and moved a chair shouldn't this have a butterfly effect?" Why Paradox decides he needs to take the dragons? Because "Duel Monsters never gets big" is a huge timeline jump so making small changes on his way to the past helps. Same applies to all of Yliaster's plans if you abide by this. If "Momentum gets developed" is a locked-in event and "Momentum leads to the apocalypse" is the natural result of Momentum being developed, assassinating one Dr. Fudo wouldn't have caused a timeline jump, it'd just cause the inventor of Momentum engines to change identities. Momentum as the natural result of Duel Energy meaning it "eventually" gets created as long as Duel Monsters exists, the more practical timeline jump for Yliaster would likely be "people realize Momentum is dangerous and stop using it." Basically seemingly unnecessary changes are ones that help make shifting the world to their desired timeline more likely and big changes that they don't go with aren't possible because while they're on this specific timeline, those events are set to happen. Why does Yugi give Judai Winged Kuriboh? This isn't even a time travel issue, it's just that Winged Kuriboh is naturally attuned to him as a spirit partner, he doesn't need to have some logical reason, just that it felt right.
I'm still skeptical that the incident with Carly's VA would've changed much in the overall storyboarding of the second half of 5Ds. Even though it makes sense logically that the cult controversy would've forced the team to rewrite the second half, there's so much we don't know about the show's production history to make that assumption. That comment aside, this is a well put together video.
Wouldn’t the second Yugi just fade away, similar to Yusei’s timeline almost did? Yugi’s timeline doesn’t exist anymore since now Paradox never destroyed the city.
So about the cult stuff, it was actually just bad timing & jumbled writing. - The timeline of production & the VA being found to be in a xxx cult was just a coincidence. Some madlad on Reddit did the math
One other place time travel came up: the basis of the Arc-V manga. Yuya and Reiji in that one are from the not-too-distant future, which wound up leading to...a certain infamous revelation...
"Certain infamous revelation". yep Making her his mom was just wrong i still think they should have just introduce new character at end or just leave it unknown who was his mother.
well one way to explain how Yusei fought the Dark Signers in the O.G timeline is because maybe it's a fixed point in time and no matter what they changed one way or another this fight happens whether Yusei grew up in satellite or not?
If a paradox Pharaoh was left back in time making two Yugi's , this would explain why we get the Pharaoh looking Yugi telling jaden take the winged kuriboh card that he feels like it just belongs with you. And when we see normal timeline yugi that gets rid of the Pharaoh like in normal Cannon. He looks different, because he's buffed out😂
@@CrispiteDubz It's not the voice that makes me think it. it's the art style they used for the first episode that's definitely Pharaoh Atem art style, and when you see Yugi 4 years later at the end of GX he's bulk up. but he also shrunk back down⬇️ If he just bulked up, I would have ignored it... but you can tell it's even his height that was changed making him shorter from when he gave Jaden the card in the first place😅🤣
@@austingomez9630 Bro, Yugi's height has ALWAYS been inconsistent. 😂 There are some shots where Atem is taller than Tea and others where they're the same height, I think even some where he's a little shorter than her, though not to the extent Yugi is.
Not gonna lie, I didnt expect any more timeline videos after the "complete timeline" one, and suddenly this one pops up in my recommended xD I like it alot. Many things you pointed out have never crossed my mind before. Like that there are technically 2 Yugi's in the "standart" dimension or that iliasters influences is what caused 5Ds to happen in the first place.
9:40 it makes sense actually, hear me out. Duel monsters was an ancient game wich Pegasus didn't made per se but more discoverd, if paradox killed him before he discovered it, somebody else would've instead and it would've ended pretty much the same. Instead he made public aware of the military strength of duel monsters wich can be used freely to terrorize by anybody, making sure it would be forbidden, with it's "creator" dead there wouldn't be much back fighting happening as the one who would care the most already died.
Duel Monsters is the bane of the YGO world. The light of destruction fused to the plasma card. So it was the card that allowed the light of destruction a vessel. The light of destruction went on a rampage THANKS to duel monsters. KaibaCorp’s satellite, which was made for a card game experiment by kaiba, exposed yubel to it as well. And it caused a huge disaster. Again, duel monsters. The D trapped countless souls into cards, all of which are people who died. Also… the earthbound immortals used the momentum to recharge. They also used the momentum to awaken. They were literally awakened by the ener-d. Powered by Duel Monsters. All of these things ppls say were prevented by duel monsters were actually caused by them, and THEN fought by them by protagonists (and even then, these threats and evils don’t go down without jobbing innocents.) Actually proving paradox right, since that’s exactly what he says. That it’s a cycle of violence. Duel monsters has been wielded by tyrants, warlords, card game Satan’s and dark sorcerers to bring death and threaten the world. And until that truth is faced, the cycle of violence caused by duel monsters will continue Also, i don’t get people who say ‘the leviathan would wake up.’ I personally think that Paradox would defeat Dartz even if he showed up after this, if his mission succeeded. Heck, given he’s a genius who has studied timelines extensively there’s no way he doesn’t know about dartz, how do we know he wasn’t gonna go kill him right after? Paradox would obviously be against Dartz, Dartz wants the apocalypse and Paradox doesn’t. The logical conclusion is that Paradox knows about Dartz and is putting him on the chopping block next, not that he’s just gonna let Dartz do whatever the heck he wants. That’s just a really bizarre conclusion to come to, especially considering Paradox’s whole personality and motives as a character. Paradox is gonna put all his efforts to undo a ruined future and then just let Dartz ruin that? No, he’ll kill him. You realize how easily Paradox can defeat Dartz? He can go back in time and kill him. Paradox is a Big Bad movie villain. He literally has TIME travel. The power scale isn’t even close He can also remove the Orichalcos stone that corrupted him. So not only would the deaths of the Atlanteans be prevented, the countless slaughtering (nearly causing WW3) and countless massacres caused by Dartz thanks to would also never happen. The leviathan would have ZERO souls. And if he got rid of the orichalcos stones too, that makes the world DOUBLE SAFE from the leviathan- he ain’t ever getting resurrected! As opposed to the alternative timeline where he’s only defeated until DOMA, where all that damage stays done
He used time travel to return to us. What a chad. As soon as you mentioned they left past Yugi in the alt timeline where they fought Paradox, I knew that this is the other Yugi from GX. Weird you didn't actually mention it, I thought that was where you were going with this. How exactly he sent Jaden to the past, maybe you'll explore in part 2 lol. But if they did go back in time, to a time where Paradox was present, then what happened to the Paradox who did kill Pegasus? Because by traveling back, they're meeting a previous version of Paradox, not the same one. Ugh, this is confusing.
People need to leave time traveling alone unless you know how the consequences will play out and tell a single story with it without needing the viewers or readers jumping through so many hoops to make sense of it.
You could argue that the fact that Aporia using Mekklords, the threat that took over the world in the future, would have had his actions influenced by said Mekklords. The manga is its own timeline from the anime, 5Ds manga even alludes to this. With Bonds Beyond Time, it could be that Crimson Dragon pulls the person through time, so Yugi who WAS with Grandpa in the streets would be mirged and phased to the top of the building. Tl;dw, Crimson Dragon magic. The manga, though unusual and more cultist/mystical, is a bit more coherent with the timeline at least through Zexal.
Say maybe after your GX rewrite could you do a 5Ds rewrite just so it makes way more sense than what we got in the anime. As much as I love that series the timeline is a Huge mess! Honestly they should have stick to Mesoamérica mythology rather than this terminator knock off BS plot. In fact Yliaster as a whole made absolutely no freaking sense?! I’m curious what would you have done differently if you wrote the 5Ds anime?
I always thought Paradox was trying to kill Pegasus in order to "correct" history so that it would follow the Manga timeline. Zero Reverse never happened in the 5D's manga timeline, at least not to the effect or extent that it did in the anime timeline.
My interpretation of the plan of paradox is to slowly remove the pillars of History, taking sets in motion a timeline without his signer dragon, taking cyber end and rainbow dragon effectively prevents both jaidens closest bond historically and one of his strongest rivals, the next step eliminating Pegasus serves to likely steal an important card from Pegasus (such as the duelist kingdom invitation) and then the plan is likely to go even further back to Egypt and steal both zorc and all of the Egyptian gods then go even further back and contain the oricalcos god, slowly removing the most powerful cards from history by taking them to before they existed and invalidating their existence of the shadow games as a hole (it also wouldn't surprise me if dark magician was the target to steal and remove from history making a blank card from (also jaidens Neos or winged kuriboh were likely a target before the crimson dragon intervened
The way time travel works in Yugioh(Specifically 5ds) negates the issue with there being 2 yugis. Its actually even shown in the movie itself. The timeline that yugi leaves no longer exists. When Paradox "kills pegasus" in the past, Yuseis timeline disintegrates. Thats likely what happens to the timeline yugi leaves as well since they changed history. When Aporia alters time to create "Team new world" in 5ds, the same happens. Time changes for everyone except for the signers and the Aesir duelists(Because of their power). There is no second Yugi because upon leaving the timeline his counterpart would disappear and merge with him.
That's not what he means, if Yugi travels 1 hour into the past, then where is the Yugi from 1 hour ago? Does Future Yugi time traveling back 1 hour cause the Yugi that should be standing next to his grandpa to spontaneously disappear when Future Yugi shows up?
I was with you until that last sentence. Okay, so Paradox-Yugi leaves his timeline which disintegrates and comes to the timeline with a living Pegasus. Why would the Yugi in this timeline disappear all of a sudden? It’s not Pegasus-Yugi’s timeline that was erased, so he should still have his own living will, or at least fuse somehow on equal terms with Paradox-Yugi.
@@VinTheDirector I'm not saying he should disappear, just that the story ignores that there should be the Yugi that travels through time, and the Yugi that was already in that time. If that Yugi doesn't disappear, there would be two Yugi's in this one timeline. The reason the movie doesn't address this is because they literally didn't think about this, but either there are two Yugi's, or the crimson dragon did a little pruning when pulling the Yugi from the doomed timeline back into the past.
I do think it's worth noting that the Carly VA cult thing has largely been disproved as being a reason for 5ds changing gears after the first season. Still an interesting video. As for the Yugi duplicate issue, it's possible that after yusei and Jaden left, the future timeline Yugi would have essentially merged back with the new timeline Yugi. Would eliminate any sort of paradoxical issues with having two, while also allowing Yugi and atem to retain their memories of the events to ensure their bonds with Jaden and yusei actually stayed.
So there are no divergent timelines, there is just one timeline, and history is just constantly being rewritten, also how the hell do I not remember any time traveling happening when I watched as a kid, must have been the mortocycle dueling, completely distracted me
To add to this they could changed the past with preventing duel monster by going to atem's father and helping him fend of the invasion before his brother even suggests creating the millennium items, thus no zorc and millennium items, or save Pegasus's wife/lover from dying from the illness so he never goes to Egypt and gets inspired to make the game
I watched the first series like crazy and am watching it now. However the other ones aren't as exciting for me but I have to pay attention to them more cause I had no idea there was time travel in 5ds.
Yeah time travel screws everything g up xD !!! Hey Spell do you think you’ll ever get back to the GX rewrite I loved that so much one of my favorite fan rewrite things I’ve read !!! I’ll support you no matter what !
Yusei: That was a crazy duel right pals? Judai: Yes bro it was Atem: Yes... but i have a question Yusei: Tell me atem: You know i'm from like 1 hour on the past... soooo... are you going to send me back to my time or... Yusei: 1 hour? Huh close enough you stay here pal
Thank you for bringing up that duplicate Yugi thing at the end of BBT. It has always bothered me ! But, I like to think that time travel has some kinds of rules that would make alternate Yugi vanish past the point of Paradox’s defeat. In a similar fashion, there is also the alternative Paradox who managed to kill Pegasus, where is he ?Therefore, if he had disappeared so is alternative Yugi
since Kazuki Takahashi died , i think newer series is like a reboot of the series . and i dont even know if they have plan to continue the YGO DM, GX and 5DS timeline
I think the twin Yugi’s explains the Yugi in GX. Jaden recognizes Yugi but the Yugi there is the one that didn’t do the right, keeping the pharaoh. And thus the Yugi Jaden duels at the end of GX isn’t our Yugi but the Twin Yugi
I'm actually hoping to put out an update on that soon - project's definitely not dead. Life just got a little all consuming the last year or so, so I haven't had as much time as I'd like to dedicate to it.
@@SpellCommander91Have you seen the "Perfect Draw" ttrpg system? It's kinda similar to what you want to do but it's made to be more vague to be applicable for any card game and mainly focuses on emulating the "feeling" and "tropes" of a tcg anime instead of diving deep into yugioh lore (which I assume is more so what you want to go for). I think it's interesting, check it out if you haven't it might be help you with your game too.
the thing that scares me the most about yu-gi-oh is the way my brains erase the fact that Jaden defeated the Death itself in a duel. Like, all the other things i can say "well...", but he litterally have a duel with death and win
The Paradox time period attack was always an odd decision to me, but I guess the idea is that if they saw the creator of the game and a lot of people die attacked by the game monsters they will think it's dangerous to keep it running. About the second Yugi, what if it was him who went to give Jaden the Winged Kuriboh since he knew Jaden...
Couldn’t yugi give Jaiden winged kuribo because he saw Jaiden use flute of summoning kuribo and probably that he saw that he had yubel like in the graduation duel (and if it wasn’t yubel it was probably neos who would also work) and he saw Jaiden freak out about meeting him again
Huh...on reflection, given what you're saying about Yugi now having a parallel time-twin, and given your _first_ Yugioh theory...whom was *Yuya* constructed from? Was he integrated with the Yugi that got timelost here and witnessed his grandfather die, or was he integrated with the Yugi that went on unawares of any of this?
I don't think that what happens in GX is time travel something that Judai points out, it's that time isn't moving. And says this is a space created for the purpose of having this duel. To me this sounds as a pocket dimension with certain set conditions to make it possible that this duel happens, not time travel. Now how did Yugi made this happen? Simple he didn't his deck did. We know that duel monsters are real and have power, and that there are duelist, very few with the power to use their life force to bring them into reality, Judai being an example of the most broken case possible to make this possible. Judai has powers that allow this to happen with the greatest of ease and less amount of burden, and by fusing his soul with Yubel's, his power increased to the point that he can make them more powerful, note how Neos in season 4 outside of duels can fire lazer, but in duels he goes with his trusty Wrath of Neos karate chop action. So basically i believe that Yugi used his life force to give his deck the power to create the pocket dimension. And Wingued Kuriboh, also shine, so i believe knowing Yugi didn't had enough took a bit of Judai's too, to help on the process. I won't try to defend 5D's at all, just say that i believe that the Yugi that wasn't part of the duel was eliminated from existance because he couldn't be part of the duel against Paradox and that would create a time paradox. And they aren't related to why stuff happen in other series... Because 5D's wouldn't exist if those events didn't happen. Simple law of casuality.
A lot of the time, when people actually plan out their time travel stories, they turn out good, or at least compelling. If they had started off the show with a time travel story that was properly thought out, I bet it would have made a lot more sense.
The Carly VA cult thing actually doesn't match up. The cult events and VA replacement happened in the final Z-One arc which is way past when the show took a turn
To be fair, some of the events they could’ve stopped to prevent the end of the world, they probably don’t know about like the millennium items in the tomb of the pharaoh.
Obligatory "the only stories where time travel doesn't cause logical problems are the stories without time travel." Crazy thought: what if the extra Yugi that Yusei left behind somehow found a way to exist outside of time, like Time Patroller Trunks from the extended Dragon Ball canon? Heck, they could even retcon it so that he was the one preventing the Iliaster from erasing Duel Monsters from the timeline entirely, somehow, and start actually bridging the gaps between the various YGO canons in the same way that Heroes and Xenoverse do. It's a pipe dream at best, but what's wrong with that?
For the earth bound immortals I think what happened was is that Zero Verse basically woke them up faster then thwy were supposed too. Sense Yesei was still a signer in th original timeline
Stop saying Pharaoh sealed the shadow games, as regardless of what the dub says that never happened. Shadi was able to play shadow games just fine even before Yami awoke.
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To be fair, Duel Links basically confirms that Yugioh as a series exists as a multiverse. We know this because Paradox, Aporia and Z-One have an interaction in that game where they realise that there are different parallel histories that were, most likely, caused by THEIR time travel shenanigans.
The big tip off being an interaction where Paradox can talk to Pegasus and realise that he comes from a universe where he died after having the Millennium Eye removed by Bakura.
Which obviously made no sense to Paradox as Pegasus is still alive in the anime's version of events.
The final antagonists of 5Ds, after discussing this, then resolve to , effectively, wait to see how things play out and whether these different futures show any promise.
There would kinda have to be one regardless, just by virtue of irreconcilable differences of continuity between anime and manga. And video games.
So everything is canon, got it.
The movie explicitely show us that the time travel logic does not involve branching, you change the past and the future begans to rewrite itself based on those changes, so the changes shouldn't have effect in the multiverse, they are just part of a multiverse where similar things happen
@@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu Yeah, the multiverse has nothing to do with timetravel, it is just the natural splitting of how diffrent realities would play out.
@@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu keep in mind, they *assume* that they caused the branching timelines. Its more of a hypothesis that they base on this completely new info. Based on their interactions in the game anyway.
I like to think that time travel in 5Ds is purposefully broken because Illiaster actually broke time in the most literal sense. The fact that changing time not creating a new timeline instead of rewriting the current one probably made Z-one to overload the timeline to the point that he can actually splinter into multiple timelines. But this just caused dozens of inconsistencies across the first three shows.
Duel Links confirms this actually. Illiaster's members literally talk about how they didn't expect it, but that they would wait to see how things played out.
Possibly some bleed into later ones. Especially that one the same director worked on.
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Duel Links is not canon to anything. It is its own canon, like Capsule Monsters or the Pyramid of Light movie that was based on events up to the end of Battle City.
@@darkglass3011stop that crap the creator of Yu-Gi-Oh would be pissed off at you for saying that he himself said duel links is Canon and all is Canon it's time you learned that because he counted that is Canon and said kaiba made it are you the Creator know so if the creator of Yu-Gi-Oh said a couple years before he passed that is Cannon and counts with everything else and everything else is can and then it is so😊
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Post the link where Kazuki Takahashi said that before his passing, whether it's an official statement or an interview. If you can't, then that means it doesn't exist and Duel Links is therefore non-canon just like the Pyramid of Light movie or Capsule Monsters.
Paradox's plan is stupider for more reasons than what was described in the video. A lot of the major threats in the overall show are actual gods and monstrous spirits. Some of which were explicitly *_SEALED_* within stone tablets to prevent them from causing more destruction than if they were simply within the souls of humans. Without the sealing technique, these monsters would have torn apart the world, and we wouldn't be here. But because things went awry, the monsters started coming back. Disregarding the fact that it's filler, the Waking the Dragons arc showed that these spirits would come back, and without the game itself, there would be no way to combat them without some otherworldly power. The Earthbound Immortals are the same deal. Actual real-life spirits that were sealed into the Nazca Lines. They would have escaped too. So by sealing them within cards, they not only are much easier to combat, but they are also much easier to study. Scientists would have no real frame of reference as to whether or not a god is benevolent or malevolent until they are unleashed. So by putting them into cards, they are not only more easier to control, but a regular person on the street would have a fighting chance against them. The Asier cards are benevolent, but we wouldn't know that until they were put into cards. Putting things into cards means that they can be used for good or for evil. So Paradox going back in time to stop the game altogether basically screws everything over. Yami Marik terrorizes the world with the Millennium Rod, the Light of Destruction goes on a rampage, and the Earthbound Immortals wreck whatever's left of the world.
That would explain why the rest of them never trying to erase Duel Monsters as a concept
Considering the virtual pods from Noah's arc and the castle where the dragons were frozen in the Doma arc are both in GX you have to call GX filler if you dismiss those arcs as filler. It's anime canon where Pegasus never died, it's incompatible with the manga.
Omg, I didn't even consider that, but that's so true! The Yugioh world *needs* Duel Monsters, otherwise they'd just get obliterated by nearly every all-powerful being that exists in that world!
@@genyakozlov1316 I honestly don't remember this. What episodes did they show up in?
@@genyakozlov1316 Honestly, I disregarded it to avoid anyone saying "It's filler though. It doesn't count."
Since it's anime canon, that makes Paradox's even more stupid because now the Great Leviathan just blows up the world.
I like the idea that Yliastor WAS trying to change history for 3000 years, but with every attempt to change history… history would fight back.
Time doesn’t like to be changed, It tries to keep the status quo.
Not always, though. It was precisely because of Yliastor that Yusei worked to create a new energy source to replace the Momentum reactor. And if SpellCommander's theory about Yusei inventing Xyz is correct, Yusei successfully created an entirely new, thriving future, which we know as Zexal, through his research.
"Time doesn't like to be changed" according to what?
@@donovanfaust3227 No one actually says it, and of course after so many tries Yliastor did change the future. But it would explain why they didn't do anything drastic to change the timeline, like killing Pegasus before *actually creating Duel Monsters* like Spell suggested. Time didn't let them. It's just a theory.
@@donovanfaust3227 According to how they canonically ran through way too many timeline-alterations and the destroyed future persisted. You can say it makes them look like idiots, but it makes more sense to instead assume that causality tries its best to reject change. Like the example of "you can't just prevent someone being shot to death by setting off the gunner's aim, the bullet will just reflect into the victim again, you gotta prevent it being fired to begin with".
Very much the same logic used in time travel mini-series “11.22.63”
Personally, I believe the explanation to how Yugi knew to give Jaden Winged Kuriboh when they first met in ep.1 of GX is all thanks to the Paradox duel. The Yugi we see in the beginning of GX is the same Yugi that dueled against Paradox with Jaden and Yusei all grown up. When Yugi saw Jaden running towards the duel academy exams, he recognized him as the same guy who dueled alongside him all those years ago, but younger. and so Yugi basically decided to give Jaden his winged Kuriboh to set him on the path to become that same duelist he knew from the Paradox duel. And thanks to it, by extension entirety of GX (and 5Ds) anime series as we know them ARE the future of the timeline that came from Yusei, Jaden and Yugi defeating Paradox in the BBT movie. This way, Yugi had always ended up meeting up Jaden and Yusei during his (DM) time period, thus setting the rest of the YGO anime timeline.
The timeline in which the BBT movie duel did not happen is the GX and 5Ds MANGA timelines. In the GX manga, Jaden had never stumble across Yugi, but rather a different manga original dude, who also ends up giving Jaden Winged Kuriboh. So Jaden is always destined to get WK, it's just that it's not Yugi who he necessarily gets it from. Following it, with the changes to the GX timeline the 5Ds timeline changes as well to a universe were the time traveling Illiaster stuff never happened, and instead it kept up to it's Dark Signers cult ways.
And fittingly, there are no 2 Yugis left behind after the Paradox duel, at least not in the same timeline. Since the timeline in YGO (as it was explained in 5ds) always keeps 'fixing' itself around the latest time changing events, 1 Yugi would get "erased" out of existence depending on the results of the duel. Meaning the Yugi who didn't duel Paradox would be removed out of the BBT/ DM-5Ds anime timeline, and go to exist in a universe were the GX and 5Ds stories went in their manga direction instead. The Yugi who did duel Paradox would end up to be our DM anime Yugi, who woudl free the spirit of the Pharaoh, only to meet Jaden running late to the duel academy exams 10 years later.
It's also possible that both being the same person/people maybe the timeline corrected that discrepancy by later merging them. Almost as if they were overlayed
@@UltimateMayhemVX Overlayed...?
*ZEXAL?!*
(I'm not sorry for that one)
@@BurstFlare Yep 😁
@boyishdude1234 No. If anything that seems to make less sense with leaps of logic from something that doesn't seem belong like trying a op isekai protagonist appear in Tearmoon Empire regardless of how out of place they'd be.
@boyishdude1234 No but that's one of the things that makes this franchise fun
I think Zero Reverse always happened. In Zones OG timeline, it happened accidentally. In the modified Illiaster timeline they made sure it happened to ensure Yusei would remain the same hero he was in their timeline. Maybe their time meddling led to a period without Zero Reverse but the realized, without the separation of Neo Domino city, there was no hero Yusie for Zone to use as inspiration.
Also I feel like while Illiasters plans all see half baked, like why not kill Pegasus before he invents Duel Monsters, I have to give them the benefit of the doubt that they are trying to walk a fine line of both savings the planet,
while not erasing their original human existences.
Paradox showed no care for collateral damage, only caring about Pegasus' death. Even Solomon died because of him, and I doubt he's the only victim.
@BurstFlare I don't think the deaths of insicnificant individuals mater in their plans. I am just saying that, a big key in time travel shenanigans is how do I change the futures, by altering the past without erasing myself.
Like If Grandpa Moto dies when Pegasus is killed, its not erasing Paradox from history. But stopping the recreation of Duel Monsters and the Shadow games would. Which is why Illiaster picks events to target that seem out of place and inefficient.
@@bbro43 Considering how far into the future he's from, there'd be way too many unknowns for his methods to make sense if that was his goal. The most logical solution in that case would just be to kill Pegasus in private, but instead he blew up an entire venue and endangered an entire crowd, including what could've been his ancestors. Either he doesn't care about his own existence or he knows that he'll continue to exist regardless because time travel stuff. I'm assuming the latter 'cause Iliaster didn't just vanish when they changed the past.
Theres something you miss, one of the Goodwin brothers actually had both a signer and dark signer mark, and the dark signer mark was slowly corrupted him, and he might have become a dark signer in the original timeline and killed yusei father and mother to actually awaken his earthbound
Here's a random idea I got from this video...
What if the Time duplicate Yugi/Yami is the one who sends Jaden back in time in the GX final? Since that version of them would still have magical powers and what not. He could also be the one that appears in the first episode, since that Yugi had the deeper voice, and if DSoD is anything to go by, Yugi's voice doesn't seem to be getting any deeper by the time he's 16/17.
No idea how any of that would work and I'm sure there's a mountain of contradictions to prove me wrong... but it's still a fun possibility...
Still, great video as always!
Sure seems like if Konami realized this error of continuity, this fact of an unacknowledged time-twin technically provides an excuse to use Yugi/Atem again virtually anywhen they want, while leaving the original story intact.
in the og they didnt just give him atems voice, and dsod isnt canon to the anime
konami doesnt own the anime
Superhero Timetraveler Magician Yugi!! I like that!
he decides to live a separate life from the Game Developer Yugi that graduated at the end of DSOD
The idea of 2 Yugis is fascinating, but maybe the time travel was recent enough that this Yugi just.. replaced the other Yugi? It sounds weird, but that's how I always rationalized it. I also like the idea that Illiaster gave Yugi the power to send Jaden back to duel young Yugi, although I have also heard the (admittedly lame) theory that the duel between yugi and Jaden at the end of GX was just a dream.
I try to think about time travel and fate in Yu-Gi-Oh in the same way that fate is viewed in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, which one of the properties that initially inspired Kazuki Takahashi to make Yu-Gi-Oh in the first place, so I feel like it's valid.
In JoJo, fate is an extremely tangible force that can be interacted with by certain abilities known as stands, but the short of it is that in JoJo, fate is a force that dictates very specific things to happen, regardless of any circumstances. No matter what-- if something is fated to happen, IT WILL HAPPEN. Perhaps, Pegasus was fated to create duel monsters no matter how Illiaster could have interfered (slightly unrelated side note, but in the Paradox unlock event in duel links, when dueling Paradox as Pegasus, Pegasus somewhat echoes the sentiment that even if he's gone, duel monsters will continue to thrive and evolve). Perhaps that would be why they had to wait until after he created the game, and certain events involving him occured, to try to kill him. It sounds dumb when I say it this way, but maybe their plan had no choice but to be a bad plan due to how fate operates. Additionally, it's entirely possible that Yusei was fated to go to the facility, get his mark (which Z-ONE immitates as well), and defeat the Dark Signers. I know it sounds like a bit of a cop-out, to just put it all on this vague force of "fate," but that's what makes it enjoyable for me, since it provides an (admittedly lazy-ish) answer to questions regarding continuity.
A "synonym" for fate in JoJo is gravity. A force that pulls stand users together. Even after the universe reset (twice), all the characters ended up meeting again. And gravity is an important component to time travel, theoretically. Not sure where I'm going with this, but it is plausible that the excessive energy from the momentum reactors somehow messed up time, even before Illiaster got to it. But that's just a theory, a card games on motorcycles theory.
@@njpharosespecially considering that Dueling Energy and shadow games are already magical forces with comparable power levels to stands in JoJo. A massive surge could easily cause a ripple throughout all of fate.
Tbh I don't think the 2 Yugis theory holds, the Millenium Puzzle gave Yugi a buff to exist out of time and space. So when Yusei took Yugi back in time before his Grandpa died it was still that same Yugi that existed in that timeline, thanks to the Puzzle. Think like if Yugi was a bookmark and you just turned a couple pages back and put Yugi there. Sorry if that confusing lmao
Question for the GX rewright: Will Jesse\Johan have cards like Rainbow Overdragon and the other rainbow dragon fusion?
The thing with Carly's VA happened after the change in story. It's just a myth, that this was the reason for the change.
It's not a myth you can see pics of the original plan story in Yu-Gi-Oh tag Force games
18:06-18:10 Spoilers for the Arc-V manga ...
It turns out that the duelist characters in the manga (with the exception of Shingo Sawatari & Shun Kurosaki) are from a destroyed future where they go back in time to stop Genesis Omega Dragon from being used to keep destroying time.
Also: something something something Back to the Future but stupid
@@christopherb501 but it's not back to the future, there was zero interest between Yuzu and Yuya in the manga.
the king is back
I wish the thumbnail was a Time Thief one.
Definitely could have had time thief flyback art, but yusei as redoer and yugi as perpetua
Or a Dr. who artwork
@@mr.wafflesrz1137 the time thieves are based on Dr. Who iirc
@@crazygreek6341 Not really. I mean... Dr. Who ain't a thief
The Doctor stole the TARDIS and all of our hearts. He is most definitely a thief.
Glad to see you are back in making videos man. I really miss the GX rewrite series, but it is up to you whether you wanna keep going with it or not.
Awating your new videos soon
*About your criticisms about time travel in the series:*
1. "Why did Yliaster go with the plan that they did when they had 3000 years?"
- My rebuttal is: no _significant_ change would have occurred otherwise.
To be able to change the past in a meaningful way, Z-ONE and Yliaster would have to be in positions of power and gain influence on what can and cannot happen whether it is politically, financially, or other. That is the reason why Yliaster as a secret organization exists in the first place. They have political and financial influence, and they can leverage that to make changes that matter.
2. "Z-ONE and Yliaster created a paradox when they made the first Zero Reverse happen, leading to the Momentum reactors in their own time to detonate"
- Not exactly. Remember, in Z-ONE's timeline, Yusei was a legendary hero who fought against the Earthbound Gods and developed Accel Synchro. Rudger Godwin (Rex's brother) caused Zero Reverse because someone from Yliaster told him to do it. Likely what happened is that Yusei fought against the Dark Signers in the original timeline, but Z-ONE's interference caused Yusei and the other Signers to have their fight with their Dark counterparts much *sooner* in the main timeline than in the original one. The same thing occurred with Accel Synchro where Z-ONE sent Antinomy to teach Yusei how to Accel Synchro much sooner than when he was originally supposed to in the original timeline.
Also remember that when Antinomy was trying to teach Yusei how to Accel Synchro in his Riding Duel with Placido, that the energy generated by Momentum was something that was used since ancient times. It was Yusei's father Dr. Fudo who *rediscovered* this energy, and when negative energy is generated, the Earthbound Gods would have used this energy to help in their resurrection. The Earthbound Gods would have been resurrected anyway even without Yliaster's interference, but Yliaster's actions made it so that the Earthbounds were resurrected *sooner* than when they supposed to in their original timeline.
3. "Why is Smashing Arc Cradle into Neo Domino City the best they could come up with to save the future?"
Remember how the apocalypse was triggered? Synchro Summoning + the Momentum reactor. Even in the first few episodes of the first season, they mentioned that Synchro Summoning causes the Momentum reactor to spin faster, thus generating more energy than normal. In Z-ONE's future, humanity organized an event where each person Synchro summons at the same time as each other in order to generate so much energy that it would at minimum meet the energy demands needed to advance their society at the rate that they wanted. This of course lead to the Zero Reverse incident on a global scale that lead to the apocalypse.
Z-ONE, Yliaster, and Paradox tried _multiple_ approaches to save the future. When one failed, they took on a different approach each time:
Plan A of saving the future was halting the development of the Momentum reactor by causing Zero Reverse, making it so that the Momentum reactors in the future never existed in the first place. This didn't succeed as it only _delayed_ the Reactor's development and a successful one was created in Neo Domino City in present day.
Plan B of saving the future was getting rid of Synchro Summoning since it was the catalyst for the Momentum reactors of the future to spin out of control in the first place. This is why Team New World has such a deep hatred for Synchro Summoning. Since the Duel Monsters Card game was the basis for Synchro Summoning, Paradox was sent back in time to kill Pegasus so that the Duel Monsters Card game doesn't advance enough to the point where Synchros were introduced. Pegasus likely has involvement in the introduction of Synchros in the Duel Monsters Card Game since he is the creator, which is likely why Paradox chose that time period to assasinate him. The 3 protagonists of the Bonds Beyond Time movie foiled Paradox's mission however.
Plan C was Z-ONE sending Antinomy to Yusei so that Yusei would learn Accel Synchro at a much earlier point in time than when he was originally supposed to in Z-ONE's timeline. Z-ONE did this because he had faith that Yusei would be able to find the answer to save the future if Yusei learned about Accel Synchro at an earlier point in time.
Plan D - At some point, Z-ONE realized that he didn't have much time left to live. He knew that he wouldn't be able to live long enough to see if Plan C succeeded or to keep trying. Once he dies, humanity is doomed if Plan C fails because humanity is unaware of their ultimate fate in Z-ONE's future and wouldn't take the necessary precautions to prevent it from happening. Z-ONE couldn't risk humanity's survival by rolling the dice on Yusei or to keep trying any longer, which is why he took drastic measures with the plan to crash Arc Cradle into Neo Domino City as a last ditch effort to save humanity from extinction. Neo Domino City at that point in time has the only completed and working Momentum Reactor in the world. By ensuring its destruction as well as all traces on how to build it (research on its development likely being kept in the city itself since it isn't widespread throughout the world yet), Z-ONE hopes to wipe out the existence of the Momentum Reactor from the future so that the global scale Zero Reverse incident that caused humanity's extinction never happened in the first place.
To me, the writing is actually solid. The pieces are all there. It's just a matter of putting it together like with Yusei's Junk deck.
The Go Rush Time Travel really threw me for a loop. I honestly thought Go Rush took place after Sevens in the timeline, not that it was actually the chronological origin of Rush Duels caused by Yuga being sent into the past and that the reason Rush Duels didn't exist in Sevens before he invented them was because they became Master/Goha Duels between the time periods of Sevens and Go Rush.
But that did solve a big issue I had with Sevens, that being the fact that "Rush Duel" was printed on the cards before Yuga even invented Rush Duels, by making it so that they always were Rush Duel cards and that they weren't being used for their original purpose until Yuga brought back Rush Duels by inventing the Duel Format.
I'd basically think of it as working on something resembling Steins;Gate rules and everything suddenly makes sense. You have certain specific timelines that exist and whatever timeline the world sticks to has certain events locked in place. Small changes can occur via time travel but major events will go unchanged. In order to force the timeline to hop to a different one, you need a lot of changes and small changes make it easier to make a large jump. Honestly this logic is pretty close to a default for most time travel stories, because it makes it so that writers don't need to be constantly thinking of, "oh this guy went back in time and moved a chair shouldn't this have a butterfly effect?"
Why Paradox decides he needs to take the dragons? Because "Duel Monsters never gets big" is a huge timeline jump so making small changes on his way to the past helps.
Same applies to all of Yliaster's plans if you abide by this. If "Momentum gets developed" is a locked-in event and "Momentum leads to the apocalypse" is the natural result of Momentum being developed, assassinating one Dr. Fudo wouldn't have caused a timeline jump, it'd just cause the inventor of Momentum engines to change identities. Momentum as the natural result of Duel Energy meaning it "eventually" gets created as long as Duel Monsters exists, the more practical timeline jump for Yliaster would likely be "people realize Momentum is dangerous and stop using it."
Basically seemingly unnecessary changes are ones that help make shifting the world to their desired timeline more likely and big changes that they don't go with aren't possible because while they're on this specific timeline, those events are set to happen.
Why does Yugi give Judai Winged Kuriboh? This isn't even a time travel issue, it's just that Winged Kuriboh is naturally attuned to him as a spirit partner, he doesn't need to have some logical reason, just that it felt right.
I mean technically everytime C107 used its effect is was time traveling, but also Kite was able to loop hole that thanks to Number 62's effect.
I'm still skeptical that the incident with Carly's VA would've changed much in the overall storyboarding of the second half of 5Ds. Even though it makes sense logically that the cult controversy would've forced the team to rewrite the second half, there's so much we don't know about the show's production history to make that assumption.
That comment aside, this is a well put together video.
Keep those eyes open in All possibilities
Wouldn’t the second Yugi just fade away, similar to Yusei’s timeline almost did? Yugi’s timeline doesn’t exist anymore since now Paradox never destroyed the city.
So about the cult stuff, it was actually just bad timing & jumbled writing. - The timeline of production & the VA being found to be in a xxx cult was just a coincidence.
Some madlad on Reddit did the math
One other place time travel came up: the basis of the Arc-V manga. Yuya and Reiji in that one are from the not-too-distant future, which wound up leading to...a certain infamous revelation...
"Certain infamous revelation".
yep Making her his mom was just wrong i still think they should have just introduce new character at end or just leave it unknown who was his mother.
Atem is God. Judai is Hitler. Yusei is a level 8 Bull. Neo Domino city is the Eye of the Sahara. Yu-gi-oh is a story of the great ongoing game.
well one way to explain how Yusei fought the Dark Signers in the O.G timeline is because maybe it's a fixed point in time and no matter what they changed one way or another this fight happens whether Yusei grew up in satellite or not?
If a paradox Pharaoh was left back in time making two Yugi's , this would explain why we get the Pharaoh looking Yugi telling jaden take the winged kuriboh card that he feels like it just belongs with you. And when we see normal timeline yugi that gets rid of the Pharaoh like in normal Cannon.
He looks different, because he's buffed out😂
no, its definitley yugi, hes just older, its more obvious in the sub, in the dub they just gave him atems voice
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It's not the voice that makes me think it.
it's the art style they used for the first episode that's definitely Pharaoh Atem art style, and when you see Yugi 4 years later at the end of GX he's bulk up. but he also shrunk back down⬇️
If he just bulked up, I would have ignored it... but you can tell it's even his height that was changed making him shorter from when he gave Jaden the card in the first place😅🤣
@@austingomez9630 no, youre just insane
@@austingomez9630 Bro, Yugi's height has ALWAYS been inconsistent. 😂 There are some shots where Atem is taller than Tea and others where they're the same height, I think even some where he's a little shorter than her, though not to the extent Yugi is.
Not gonna lie, I didnt expect any more timeline videos after the "complete timeline" one, and suddenly this one pops up in my recommended xD I like it alot. Many things you pointed out have never crossed my mind before. Like that there are technically 2 Yugi's in the "standart" dimension or that iliasters influences is what caused 5Ds to happen in the first place.
9:40 it makes sense actually, hear me out. Duel monsters was an ancient game wich Pegasus didn't made per se but more discoverd, if paradox killed him before he discovered it, somebody else would've instead and it would've ended pretty much the same. Instead he made public aware of the military strength of duel monsters wich can be used freely to terrorize by anybody, making sure it would be forbidden, with it's "creator" dead there wouldn't be much back fighting happening as the one who would care the most already died.
Duel Monsters is the bane of the YGO world.
The light of destruction fused to the plasma card. So it was the card that allowed the light of destruction a vessel. The light of destruction went on a rampage THANKS to duel monsters. KaibaCorp’s satellite, which was made for a card game experiment by kaiba, exposed yubel to it as well. And it caused a huge disaster. Again, duel monsters. The D trapped countless souls into cards, all of which are people who died. Also… the earthbound immortals used the momentum to recharge. They also used the momentum to awaken. They were literally awakened by the ener-d. Powered by Duel Monsters.
All of these things ppls say were prevented by duel monsters were actually caused by them, and THEN fought by them by protagonists (and even then, these threats and evils don’t go down without jobbing innocents.) Actually proving paradox right, since that’s exactly what he says. That it’s a cycle of violence. Duel monsters has been wielded by tyrants, warlords, card game Satan’s and dark sorcerers to bring death and threaten the world. And until that truth is faced, the cycle of violence caused by duel monsters will continue
Also, i don’t get people who say ‘the leviathan would wake up.’ I personally think that Paradox would defeat Dartz even if he showed up after this, if his mission succeeded. Heck, given he’s a genius who has studied timelines extensively there’s no way he doesn’t know about dartz, how do we know he wasn’t gonna go kill him right after?
Paradox would obviously be against Dartz, Dartz wants the apocalypse and Paradox doesn’t. The logical conclusion is that Paradox knows about Dartz and is putting him on the chopping block next, not that he’s just gonna let Dartz do whatever the heck he wants. That’s just a really bizarre conclusion to come to, especially considering Paradox’s whole personality and motives as a character. Paradox is gonna put all his efforts to undo a ruined future and then just let Dartz ruin that? No, he’ll kill him.
You realize how easily Paradox can defeat Dartz? He can go back in time and kill him. Paradox is a Big Bad movie villain. He literally has TIME travel. The power scale isn’t even close
He can also remove the Orichalcos stone that corrupted him. So not only would the deaths of the Atlanteans be prevented, the countless slaughtering (nearly causing WW3) and countless massacres caused by Dartz thanks to would also never happen. The leviathan would have ZERO souls. And if he got rid of the orichalcos stones too, that makes the world DOUBLE SAFE from the leviathan- he ain’t ever getting resurrected! As opposed to the alternative timeline where he’s only defeated until DOMA, where all that damage stays done
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He used time travel to return to us. What a chad.
As soon as you mentioned they left past Yugi in the alt timeline where they fought Paradox, I knew that this is the other Yugi from GX. Weird you didn't actually mention it, I thought that was where you were going with this. How exactly he sent Jaden to the past, maybe you'll explore in part 2 lol. But if they did go back in time, to a time where Paradox was present, then what happened to the Paradox who did kill Pegasus? Because by traveling back, they're meeting a previous version of Paradox, not the same one. Ugh, this is confusing.
People need to leave time traveling alone unless you know how the consequences will play out and tell a single story with it without needing the viewers or readers jumping through so many hoops to make sense of it.
You could argue that the fact that Aporia using Mekklords, the threat that took over the world in the future, would have had his actions influenced by said Mekklords. The manga is its own timeline from the anime, 5Ds manga even alludes to this.
With Bonds Beyond Time, it could be that Crimson Dragon pulls the person through time, so Yugi who WAS with Grandpa in the streets would be mirged and phased to the top of the building. Tl;dw, Crimson Dragon magic.
The manga, though unusual and more cultist/mystical, is a bit more coherent with the timeline at least through Zexal.
I'm glad to hear your voice again man your theories are fun to listen too
Say maybe after your GX rewrite could you do a 5Ds rewrite just so it makes way more sense than what we got in the anime. As much as I love that series the timeline is a Huge mess! Honestly they should have stick to Mesoamérica mythology rather than this terminator knock off BS plot. In fact Yliaster as a whole made absolutely no freaking sense?! I’m curious what would you have done differently if you wrote the 5Ds anime?
It's been a while🙂✌️nice to see you upload fr
Its been so long. So glad to see a new video.
I always thought Paradox was trying to kill Pegasus in order to "correct" history so that it would follow the Manga timeline. Zero Reverse never happened in the 5D's manga timeline, at least not to the effect or extent that it did in the anime timeline.
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My interpretation of the plan of paradox is to slowly remove the pillars of History, taking sets in motion a timeline without his signer dragon, taking cyber end and rainbow dragon effectively prevents both jaidens closest bond historically and one of his strongest rivals, the next step eliminating Pegasus serves to likely steal an important card from Pegasus (such as the duelist kingdom invitation) and then the plan is likely to go even further back to Egypt and steal both zorc and all of the Egyptian gods then go even further back and contain the oricalcos god, slowly removing the most powerful cards from history by taking them to before they existed and invalidating their existence of the shadow games as a hole (it also wouldn't surprise me if dark magician was the target to steal and remove from history making a blank card from (also jaidens Neos or winged kuriboh were likely a target before the crimson dragon intervened
ewery fictional story should avoid time travel like the plague, in 9/10 cases it creates unnecesary plotholes and ruins the stakes of the story
And yo, I loved your first and second timeline videos. They shaped the way I think of the anime now
15:55 wait Zone is just Reverse Flash lol
Yeah they really messed up time travel and technically speaking Yu-Gi-Oh Ark v had time travel in it as well technically speaking
17:35 there is a pretty good reddit post that describes how the setting to the mechlords lore was set before any scandal happened
12:15 Doesn’t this explain the winged kuriboh.
Yo, nice to see you uploading again, I love your Yugioh theories.
The Yugioh Arc V manga is time travel while the Arc V anime is dimension travelling
The way time travel works in Yugioh(Specifically 5ds) negates the issue with there being 2 yugis. Its actually even shown in the movie itself. The timeline that yugi leaves no longer exists. When Paradox "kills pegasus" in the past, Yuseis timeline disintegrates. Thats likely what happens to the timeline yugi leaves as well since they changed history. When Aporia alters time to create "Team new world" in 5ds, the same happens. Time changes for everyone except for the signers and the Aesir duelists(Because of their power). There is no second Yugi because upon leaving the timeline his counterpart would disappear and merge with him.
So no need for a TVA? it self-corrects?
That's not what he means, if Yugi travels 1 hour into the past, then where is the Yugi from 1 hour ago? Does Future Yugi time traveling back 1 hour cause the Yugi that should be standing next to his grandpa to spontaneously disappear when Future Yugi shows up?
I was with you until that last sentence. Okay, so Paradox-Yugi leaves his timeline which disintegrates and comes to the timeline with a living Pegasus. Why would the Yugi in this timeline disappear all of a sudden? It’s not Pegasus-Yugi’s timeline that was erased, so he should still have his own living will, or at least fuse somehow on equal terms with Paradox-Yugi.
@@VinTheDirector I'm not saying he should disappear, just that the story ignores that there should be the Yugi that travels through time, and the Yugi that was already in that time. If that Yugi doesn't disappear, there would be two Yugi's in this one timeline. The reason the movie doesn't address this is because they literally didn't think about this, but either there are two Yugi's, or the crimson dragon did a little pruning when pulling the Yugi from the doomed timeline back into the past.
@@AlexG0080 oh no I agree with you, my comment was in reference to OP here
Sevens has time travel too and which lead events go rush.
Not that it's acknowledged as such in Sevens itself.
@@christopherb501 lol.
It's great to see you doing Yugioh vids again. I love your yugioh videos and to see you doing them again.
You know i thought of something few days ago. I think the Illiaster is Yuma's, Yuya's, and Yusaku's future self.
I do think it's worth noting that the Carly VA cult thing has largely been disproved as being a reason for 5ds changing gears after the first season.
Still an interesting video.
As for the Yugi duplicate issue, it's possible that after yusei and Jaden left, the future timeline Yugi would have essentially merged back with the new timeline Yugi.
Would eliminate any sort of paradoxical issues with having two, while also allowing Yugi and atem to retain their memories of the events to ensure their bonds with Jaden and yusei actually stayed.
So there are no divergent timelines, there is just one timeline, and history is just constantly being rewritten, also how the hell do I not remember any time traveling happening when I watched as a kid, must have been the mortocycle dueling, completely distracted me
The oddest implication of this to me is that one of the two Yugis ran away instead of standing to face Paradox
Imagine the second yugi just randomly shows up in a movie one day.
Where you at?? 😢
I would argue Yugioh as a whole doesn't make sence😅
But yeah, time travel has always been a complicated topic
To add to this they could changed the past with preventing duel monster by going to atem's father and helping him fend of the invasion before his brother even suggests creating the millennium items, thus no zorc and millennium items, or save Pegasus's wife/lover from dying from the illness so he never goes to Egypt and gets inspired to make the game
I watched the first series like crazy and am watching it now. However the other ones aren't as exciting for me but I have to pay attention to them more cause I had no idea there was time travel in 5ds.
Isn't YuGiOh GX it more of a bootstrap paradox?
Uh... the point of paradox was to cause a major catastrophy with dragon duel monsters.... not just to assassinate pegasus
Yeah time travel screws everything g up xD !!! Hey Spell do you think you’ll ever get back to the GX rewrite I loved that so much one of my favorite fan rewrite things I’ve read !!! I’ll support you no matter what !
Yusei: That was a crazy duel right pals?
Judai: Yes bro it was
Atem: Yes... but i have a question
Yusei: Tell me
atem: You know i'm from like 1 hour on the past... soooo... are you going to send me back to my time or...
Yusei: 1 hour? Huh close enough you stay here pal
Thank you for bringing up that duplicate Yugi thing at the end of BBT. It has always bothered me ! But, I like to think that time travel has some kinds of rules that would make alternate Yugi vanish past the point of Paradox’s defeat. In a similar fashion, there is also the alternative Paradox who managed to kill Pegasus, where is he ?Therefore, if he had disappeared so is alternative Yugi
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Film Theory: the paradox Yugi gets absorbed by Z-ONE with timey-wimey tech in order to strengthen his duel capabilities and life support system
since Kazuki Takahashi died ,
i think newer series is like a reboot of the series . and i dont even know if they have plan to continue the YGO DM, GX and 5DS timeline
It’s been far too long. Hope all is well mate. As always.. It’s Time To Duel.
I think the twin Yugi’s explains the Yugi in GX. Jaden recognizes Yugi but the Yugi there is the one that didn’t do the right, keeping the pharaoh. And thus the Yugi Jaden duels at the end of GX isn’t our Yugi but the Twin Yugi
I know it the wrong place to ask? But how is the progress of building thar ygo tabletop game?
I'm actually hoping to put out an update on that soon - project's definitely not dead. Life just got a little all consuming the last year or so, so I haven't had as much time as I'd like to dedicate to it.
@@SpellCommander91Have you seen the "Perfect Draw" ttrpg system? It's kinda similar to what you want to do but it's made to be more vague to be applicable for any card game and mainly focuses on emulating the "feeling" and "tropes" of a tcg anime instead of diving deep into yugioh lore (which I assume is more so what you want to go for). I think it's interesting, check it out if you haven't it might be help you with your game too.
@@SpellCommander91 oooo Let go! I'm hype if your looking for someone to play test it? I will like to play it
the thing that scares me the most about yu-gi-oh is the way my brains erase the fact that Jaden defeated the Death itself in a duel. Like, all the other things i can say "well...", but he litterally have a duel with death and win
Imagine the lack of sense that will be in ARC-V when the dimensions "Returns to normal".
What if the yugi that gave jaden the winged kuriboh that looks and acts lime yami was the 2nd yugi and yami that never got released
The arc v manga DOES tackle time travel
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Spellcommander vid let's goooooooo
The Paradox time period attack was always an odd decision to me, but I guess the idea is that if they saw the creator of the game and a lot of people die attacked by the game monsters they will think it's dangerous to keep it running.
About the second Yugi, what if it was him who went to give Jaden the Winged Kuriboh since he knew Jaden...
Still begs the question what happened to that Millennium Puzzle and Pharaoh.
Couldn’t yugi give Jaiden winged kuribo because he saw Jaiden use flute of summoning kuribo and probably that he saw that he had yubel like in the graduation duel (and if it wasn’t yubel it was probably neos who would also work) and he saw Jaiden freak out about meeting him again
I gave up trying to figure out any of this shit since Duelist Kingdom
I understood that reference.
Huh...on reflection, given what you're saying about Yugi now having a parallel time-twin, and given your _first_ Yugioh theory...whom was *Yuya* constructed from? Was he integrated with the Yugi that got timelost here and witnessed his grandfather die, or was he integrated with the Yugi that went on unawares of any of this?
I try not to think about the dangers of time travel.
Didn’t some people think that Seto Kiba went back in time at the end of DSOD?
I don't think that what happens in GX is time travel something that Judai points out, it's that time isn't moving. And says this is a space created for the purpose of having this duel. To me this sounds as a pocket dimension with certain set conditions to make it possible that this duel happens, not time travel.
Now how did Yugi made this happen? Simple he didn't his deck did. We know that duel monsters are real and have power, and that there are duelist, very few with the power to use their life force to bring them into reality, Judai being an example of the most broken case possible to make this possible. Judai has powers that allow this to happen with the greatest of ease and less amount of burden, and by fusing his soul with Yubel's, his power increased to the point that he can make them more powerful, note how Neos in season 4 outside of duels can fire lazer, but in duels he goes with his trusty Wrath of Neos karate chop action.
So basically i believe that Yugi used his life force to give his deck the power to create the pocket dimension. And Wingued Kuriboh, also shine, so i believe knowing Yugi didn't had enough took a bit of Judai's too, to help on the process.
I won't try to defend 5D's at all, just say that i believe that the Yugi that wasn't part of the duel was eliminated from existance because he couldn't be part of the duel against Paradox and that would create a time paradox. And they aren't related to why stuff happen in other series... Because 5D's wouldn't exist if those events didn't happen. Simple law of casuality.
A lot of the time, when people actually plan out their time travel stories, they turn out good, or at least compelling. If they had started off the show with a time travel story that was properly thought out, I bet it would have made a lot more sense.
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wing kuriboh is probably the reason we have yugioh
I have to said yugioh arc v has very strange time travel story but very intresting definelty need to be un part 2. Can't wait
Is no one going to talk about how zexal and the numeron code play into all this and the eventual dimension wars of arc-V??
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Even death couldn't keep me down forever.
@@SpellCommander91 i’m glad you’re back
The Carly VA cult thing actually doesn't match up. The cult events and VA replacement happened in the final Z-One arc which is way past when the show took a turn
To be fair, some of the events they could’ve stopped to prevent the end of the world, they probably don’t know about like the millennium items in the tomb of the pharaoh.
Obligatory "the only stories where time travel doesn't cause logical problems are the stories without time travel."
Crazy thought: what if the extra Yugi that Yusei left behind somehow found a way to exist outside of time, like Time Patroller Trunks from the extended Dragon Ball canon? Heck, they could even retcon it so that he was the one preventing the Iliaster from erasing Duel Monsters from the timeline entirely, somehow, and start actually bridging the gaps between the various YGO canons in the same way that Heroes and Xenoverse do. It's a pipe dream at best, but what's wrong with that?
He could have seaz to exist. Ygo dip into stuff like that too we just never saw it
For the earth bound immortals I think what happened was is that Zero Verse basically woke them up faster then thwy were supposed too. Sense Yesei was still a signer in th original timeline
till second part of the video come out i will consider this as a half conspiracy theory
I never thought about their being two yugi’s, paradox really ducked up
2 Yugi Mottos = 2 sets of the God Cards. 1 is twisted because 1 Yugi is a time anomaly. This is probably wrong but kind of an interesting thought
The answer till YGO 7 and Duel Links completed.
Stop saying Pharaoh sealed the shadow games, as regardless of what the dub says that never happened. Shadi was able to play shadow games just fine even before Yami awoke.