Thanks Jeremy, I liked in this one what looked like thicker gauge leads to the terminals. I appreciate your opinion and time putting these together. Can't wait to get out and use my IHP box again, looking like new years on the ice!
After watching your videos I decided on the amped 12v 60ah batteries. I bought 4 of them. They seem like they are high quality and safe. Thanks for all the testing. Mainly because I have no clue lol
Amped Outdoors? My 20Ah was nothing but an Alibaba battery with their label slapped on it. First went bad after about a year. Replacement bit the dust after about 6 months.
Thanks for purchasing and then tearing down for us, it is appreciated. A suggestion, try charging and discharging the pack several times before you reach a decision on it's capacity. The cycling may raise the capacity. As a 4S3P the BMS must be regulating the voltage down to 13.X Volts. What is the fully charged voltage of the pack? The 4S3P configuration would yield 4 times 4.2V (fully charged cells in series) or 16.8V.
I think you're getting your battery chemistries mixed up. A fully charged LiFeP04 cell is 3.6v. 3.6v X 4 liFeP04 cells in series is 14.4V the same voltage as the output on the charger.
@@amham48 Most 18650's are lithium ion and 4.2v per cell is correct for those (LiFePo4's do exist in 18650 format too). 26650's and 32650's are LiFePo4 which only goes to 3.65v like Ice Hole said, so if you're putting LiFePo4 cells on a charger and it's taking them to 4.2v, that's very bad. Your charger can't auto detect what chemistry the cell you put on it has; instead you need to flip a switch or change a setting between the two types.
I just bought a powerbox 10. I have a question I'm running a 12 volt bilge pump and the battery only runs the system for almost three hours. I called the tech at Dakota and he said the run time was correct. The pump is a Seaflow 12 volt 1100 gph max amp draw states 1.8 amp hour. My question is am I getting the correct answer😅 from Dakota.
Hi i just wanted to know what powerful lithium battery/batteries i can buy for my dual sport adventure bike 1990 suzuki dr 800 that can handle a little more accessories on the bike with more CCA amps and AH to replace YB14L-B2,12V14.7A please thank you in advance
I’d love to see you dove more into the trolling motor sized batteries. Looking to get a new lithium battery for my yak trolling motor and boy have I learned a lot from these videos.
There may be a difference between pre-covid and post-covid Dakota batteries. I tried to buy one during covid and they could not get me a 100ah for 8-10 weeks. So they may have sacrificed quality to get orders filled. Just a thought...
I was looking at this battery (2) for my moms GOGO Mobility scooter. THe size is what I am looking for a Lithium battery. can you suggest a Lithium in this size?
Hello enjoying and learning a great deal from your battery teardowns Obviously all batteries are not created equal and price is not a good indicator of build quality I am building a near waterproof battery box with a planned 12AH or 18Ah battery Interested in your opinion of brand with a decent build quality. What would you recommend for independent powering of boat instruments Plan on running a digital yachts GPS-160 wifi which draws just 125 mA plus a cigarette adapter to charge 2 iPads at 5V at 4 amps using an anker charger May also occasionally run a 150watt inverter from the battery as well via cigarette lighter Thanks in advance Randy
Not much build integrity with this one. What are they thinking, no one gonna crack one open? Well done, great work with the inquiry for sure. Appreciated.
Love this well done. Is there a way to go bigger? Like 100amp battery. Heck would love to to see the test on compacity tests. Don't need to see the full break down but would be cool so see what the compacity test looks like.
Great video Jeremy, Thank you for all the work on this subject that you have been doing. I was wondering if you are going to review the Norsk brank of battery? This brand is the one that Humminbird is supplying with their helix 7 ice setup. Thanks again!
Sorry Jeremy, I missed that you already did that battery. Glad I found it before buying, you saved me from wasting my time and money. I think I am going with 2 Amped !8ah batteries for the deluxe box kit I just purchased from your site.
Hope my wont fail i just buy 12V 46AH lithium Dakote X 2 for my Afiscooter C3 They been recommended by Mobility Direct in USA I'm in Canada I suppose to receive them soon
Great content Jeremy, have you done the same study on starter & trolling motor batteries. I would love to see the results from those. Before making my choice for lithium for my boat power source
Another great breakdown video! I was very interested in the Dakota Lithium batteries. But disappointed to see such a difference in comparison of the 7, 10 and 18 amps.
@@iceholepower8012 weird, and it's a sign their quality control is very poor! Thanks for all your vids, very informative, and DL is no longer going to get my business. I hate it when you don't get what you supposedly pay for!
Great video Jeremy! Thank you for doing all these autopsies i just bought a marcum brute and am glad to see it's a good battery. Do you have any plans to do the marcum max 30ah? i'm considering getting a couple of those or an amazon "chins" brand 50ah for my trolling motor.
Jeremy thank you for doing these videos to make the research process that much easier on us regular Joe/Jane Schmoe's. Was wondering if it's on the list or wanting to make a suggestion of the Marcum Lithium Ion Shuttle for a future test. I have one for my LX 7 and it has usb ports to run other accessories. Would like to see in a video if I made a decent purchase or got screwed.
Thanks for watching Matt! I do plan on adding it to the lineup. I have a stack of batteries that I need to void the warranty on before I buy more stuff to break.
I was going to say I thought you were being rather strict in your assessment of the battery, until you said it cost $180. Wow. That is expensive for 18 amp hrs. You can get a 100 amp hr battery from Zooms for $320 so I did not expect such a high price on this one. If you are spending $180 for a 18 amp hr battery it better be absolutely the very highest quality build and definitely not measuring less than 18 amp hrs. Thank for the vid.
Yeah, I am pretty hard on batteries, especially at this price point. Prices have come down so much in the last 5 years but a lot of the popular lithium battery companies are stuck at the $8 to $10 per amp hour price point for batteries that are similar to the quality of batteries that are half the price. Thank you for watching!!
While I have not found the "perfect battery" I do liked 4 of them. The Dakota 10Ah th-cam.com/video/C4S4Z7K57WU/w-d-xo.html The Marcum 10Ah th-cam.com/video/w5e4GbYOLHM/w-d-xo.html The Vexilar 9Ah th-cam.com/video/j9U5Qj6Nggg/w-d-xo.html The Amped 12Ah th-cam.com/video/qQ3YtEO5MfY/w-d-xo.html
@@iceholepower8012 If you ever decide to break them down, a fully DIY build of your boat box or something bigger would be cool. Or if you made a large 24v pack that could be useful, and with the right charger you could do regenerative discharging when testing packs.
I’m running a Lawrence ti2 9” on my kayak and only getting about 6 hours on mid brightness out of a nacua 10. Sunny days it’s short lived. After seeing your test on the batt I own I’m thinking about running an amp draw test on the device before ordering the next setup. Do you have any batteries over 15 ah you are comfortable with?
Just ordered the 18ah amped off your site. Videos are super helpful, would love to see a vid on measuring load of your devices to calculate AH to select a battery.
You could use 3/4 inch gorilla tape around the battery top cover to seal it up for marine use in the water 💦. I’m just sayin given the build quality why bother with an o ring seal .
How can you tell if they're poor quality batteries ? Are there markings on them? Who's a good supplier of quality batteries if a person wanted to build something on his own?
That is very shocking finding on a reputable brand. When you get a chance, you might also want to do a similar capacity test on a Bioenno battery which has become quite popular in the ham community. It is very interesting that some models even have different Max and Peak Continuous Discharge current specs on their battery labels from those indicated in their website...Thanks!
I got three 12 volt Dakota batteries three months ago. They advertise an 11 year warranty. One of them would not take a charge. The company does not ever answer their phone and they do not respond to emails. That seems to be the case for a lot of reviews on Amazon. So it looks like I'm out three hundred dollars for nothing. I guess that is par for the course these days.
Another GREAT REVIEW, Jeremy! Thanks for putting another battery on the 'checked' list!! You do good work my friend!! Very Good Work!!
Thank you sir!
Thanks Jeremy, I liked in this one what looked like thicker gauge leads to the terminals. I appreciate your opinion and time putting these together. Can't wait to get out and use my IHP box again, looking like new years on the ice!
After watching your videos I decided on the amped 12v 60ah batteries. I bought 4 of them. They seem like they are high quality and safe. Thanks for all the testing. Mainly because I have no clue lol
Amped Outdoors? My 20Ah was nothing but an Alibaba battery with their label slapped on it. First went bad after about a year. Replacement bit the dust after about 6 months.
Nice video! Just found your channel! Looks like good stuff! I like the technical data!
Another great video and love the Leg Lamp. Merry Christmas
it's a major award ;) th-cam.com/video/OItP8-_mjXw/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for purchasing and then tearing down for us, it is appreciated. A suggestion, try charging and discharging the pack several times before you reach a decision on it's capacity. The cycling may raise the capacity. As a 4S3P the BMS must be regulating the voltage down to 13.X Volts. What is the fully charged voltage of the pack? The 4S3P configuration would yield 4 times 4.2V (fully charged cells in series) or 16.8V.
I think you're getting your battery chemistries mixed up. A fully charged LiFeP04 cell is 3.6v.
3.6v X 4 liFeP04 cells in series is 14.4V the same voltage as the output on the charger.
My LiFePO4 fully charge to 4.2V (18650/21700/32650)...try yours.
@@amham48 Most 18650's are lithium ion and 4.2v per cell is correct for those (LiFePo4's do exist in 18650 format too). 26650's and 32650's are LiFePo4 which only goes to 3.65v like Ice Hole said, so if you're putting LiFePo4 cells on a charger and it's taking them to 4.2v, that's very bad. Your charger can't auto detect what chemistry the cell you put on it has; instead you need to flip a switch or change a setting between the two types.
I have these never ever had a problem
Great Video Jeremy. Would look forward to a battery build video.
Thanks PK!
I just bought a powerbox 10. I have a question I'm running a 12 volt bilge pump and the battery only runs the system for almost three hours. I called the tech at Dakota and he said the run time was correct. The pump is a Seaflow 12 volt 1100 gph max amp draw states 1.8 amp hour. My question is am I getting the correct answer😅 from Dakota.
Hi i just wanted to know what powerful lithium battery/batteries i can buy for my dual sport adventure bike 1990 suzuki dr 800 that can handle a little more accessories on the bike with more CCA amps and AH to replace YB14L-B2,12V14.7A please thank you in advance
I’d love to see you dove more into the trolling motor sized batteries. Looking to get a new lithium battery for my yak trolling motor and boy have I learned a lot from these videos.
I have one coming up in a couple of weeks.
It's great to have an objective test. Nice methods and videos. New subscriber! Best to you Jeremy!
Thanks for the sub! And thanks for watching!!
Can you do a review for a 12v 60AMP one,for us?
I want to do some audio work, would i beable to play music and charge this battery with a charger pack from the wall outlet at the same time?
There may be a difference between pre-covid and post-covid Dakota batteries. I tried to buy one during covid and they could not get me a 100ah for 8-10 weeks. So they may have sacrificed quality to get orders filled. Just a thought...
ya gotta do one of the 14.8v nmc's from amped
They are on the list :)
I was looking at this battery (2) for my moms GOGO Mobility scooter. THe size is what I am looking for a Lithium battery. can you suggest a Lithium in this size?
Good job jeromy
Hello enjoying and learning a great deal from your battery teardowns
Obviously all batteries are not created equal and price is not a good indicator of build quality
I am building a near waterproof battery box with a planned 12AH or 18Ah battery
Interested in your opinion of brand with a decent build quality. What would you recommend for independent powering of boat instruments
Plan on running a digital yachts GPS-160 wifi which draws just 125 mA plus a cigarette adapter to charge 2 iPads at 5V at 4 amps using an anker charger
May also occasionally run a 150watt inverter from the battery as well via cigarette lighter
Thanks in advance
Randy
This is the perfect size to replace the 12v 12ah lead acid battery in the Yamaha RDS300 sea scooter...
What about testing the lightning lithium brand?
I actually have one. They are in the lineup!
I used x2power marine battery 12v 50ah for car stereo and it works great … badass battery … next I am buying a Dakota cranking 65ah
Not much build integrity with this one. What are they thinking, no one gonna crack one open?
Well done, great work with the inquiry for sure. Appreciated.
I was pretty surprised and disappointed. Was hoping it was similar to the 10Ah.
How many amps is the bms?
Great video!!!! Can you recommend me a good battery for my fish finder. Thank you
This page has all of the batteries that I recommend based on my videos. www.iceholepower.com/lithium-batteries
Great video!!! Can you make a video with a Dakota starter battery too?
I use those for my UPS system. We have daily brownouts and blackouts where I live, so using AGM or lead acid batteries is stupid.
What brand lithium battery do you recommend?
Love this well done. Is there a way to go bigger? Like 100amp battery. Heck would love to to see the test on compacity tests. Don't need to see the full break down but would be cool so see what the compacity test looks like.
I would love to do that! If the channel grows enough to justify the cost, then YES! Share, share, share!
I feel like I jump the gun every time I see your video click the like at the beginning again
I do the same thing when I watch it after uploading
I'll be using a dakota 18ah for an hds live fishfinder.
Have you done a review on a FPV Power Battery 🔋 I’d love to see one of those done. But those are crazy expensive.
Not yet but I have them on my list
Loving your content
what do you recommend for lithium batteries then?
Check out the video description. They are all listed in there.
Great video Jeremy, Thank you for all the work on this subject that you have been doing. I was wondering if you are going to review the Norsk brank of battery? This brand is the one that Humminbird is supplying with their helix 7 ice setup.
Thanks again!
Sorry Jeremy, I missed that you already did that battery. Glad I found it before buying, you saved me from wasting my time and money. I think I am going with 2 Amped !8ah batteries for the deluxe box kit I just purchased from your site.
Dodged a bullet! ;) Thank you!
Hope my wont fail i just buy 12V 46AH lithium Dakote X 2 for my Afiscooter C3 They been recommended by Mobility Direct in USA I'm in Canada I suppose to receive them soon
Great content Jeremy, have you done the same study on starter & trolling motor batteries. I would love to see the results from those. Before making my choice for lithium for my boat power source
Thanks Willian! Not yet, if the channel grows enough to justify the cost of the bigger batteries then I will void the warranty on them ;)
Another great breakdown video! I was very interested in the Dakota Lithium batteries. But disappointed to see such a difference in comparison of the 7, 10 and 18 amps.
Such a weird thing that a company's quality can vary sooo much with products that are so similar.
@@iceholepower8012 weird, and it's a sign their quality control is very poor! Thanks for all your vids, very informative, and DL is no longer going to get my business. I hate it when you don't get what you supposedly pay for!
I am using a Chinese Deisel heater and need a good 12 volt with at least 10 amps. Any advice? Thanks
You have a 10 Amp draw? How long are you running it?
I know it's in it's own class, but would you be able to do a review and breakdown of the Marcum Lithium Shuttle?
I will run to the store and buy one this weekend. Thanks for the suggestion!
Great video Jeremy! Thank you for doing all these autopsies i just bought a marcum brute and am glad to see it's a good battery. Do you have any plans to do the marcum max 30ah? i'm considering getting a couple of those or an amazon "chins" brand 50ah for my trolling motor.
I am planning on it. Thanks for the suggestion and watching!
Jeremy thank you for doing these videos to make the research process that much easier on us regular Joe/Jane Schmoe's. Was wondering if it's on the list or wanting to make a suggestion of the Marcum Lithium Ion Shuttle for a future test. I have one for my LX 7 and it has usb ports to run other accessories. Would like to see in a video if I made a decent purchase or got screwed.
Thanks for watching Matt! I do plan on adding it to the lineup. I have a stack of batteries that I need to void the warranty on before I buy more stuff to break.
I was going to say I thought you were being rather strict in your assessment of the battery, until you said it cost $180. Wow. That is expensive for 18 amp hrs. You can get a 100 amp hr battery from Zooms for $320 so I did not expect such a high price on this one. If you are spending $180 for a 18 amp hr battery it better be absolutely the very highest quality build and definitely not measuring less than 18 amp hrs. Thank for the vid.
Yeah, I am pretty hard on batteries, especially at this price point. Prices have come down so much in the last 5 years but a lot of the popular lithium battery companies are stuck at the $8 to $10 per amp hour price point for batteries that are similar to the quality of batteries that are half the price. Thank you for watching!!
Hey man what lithium battery ( 12v 18ah) would you recommend to be used for a hummingbird helix 10 only
I would get the Marcum 18Ah. amzn.to/3K1robF
Thank you, very interesting videos
hey what is FULL charge on those batteries?
new to your channel and i find it very informative. thank you ! i purchased this battery, witch one do you recommend around the same price?
I have had pretty good luck with Amped batteries. Marcum also has an 18Ah that is solid.
@@iceholepower8012 thank you!
My Amped 12ah shuts down at 12.5v any advice. Brand new from your Amazon store?
Email me at Jeremy@iceholepower and I will trouble shoot with you.
Thanks for walking through it with me. Very knowledgeable. This one may come up again for someone! All 👍
out of all the battery tear down videos ive seen him tear apart, not one have i seen that he likes the battery, how do we know what kind to get?
While I have not found the "perfect battery" I do liked 4 of them.
The Dakota 10Ah th-cam.com/video/C4S4Z7K57WU/w-d-xo.html
The Marcum 10Ah th-cam.com/video/w5e4GbYOLHM/w-d-xo.html
The Vexilar 9Ah th-cam.com/video/j9U5Qj6Nggg/w-d-xo.html
The Amped 12Ah th-cam.com/video/qQ3YtEO5MfY/w-d-xo.html
What do you do with all of these batteries after you tear them apart?
I hang on to them for reference. Some are used around my shop to test power boxes.
@@iceholepower8012 If you ever decide to break them down, a fully DIY build of your boat box or something bigger would be cool. Or if you made a large 24v pack that could be useful, and with the right charger you could do regenerative discharging when testing packs.
I’m running a Lawrence ti2 9” on my kayak and only getting about 6 hours on mid brightness out of a nacua 10. Sunny days it’s short lived. After seeing your test on the batt I own I’m thinking about running an amp draw test on the device before ordering the next setup. Do you have any batteries over 15 ah you are comfortable with?
Just ordered the 18ah amped off your site. Videos are super helpful, would love to see a vid on measuring load of your devices to calculate AH to select a battery.
You could use 3/4 inch gorilla tape around the battery top cover to seal it up for marine use in the water 💦. I’m just sayin given the build quality why bother with an o ring seal .
Great video Jeremy…. Will you do a made in China 18ah DL? I’m wondering if it will be like their 7ah that’s made in China.
I thought that's what I bought. It was the 10Ah that was made in China. I think everything else that I tore down was assembled in Grand Forks.
@@iceholepower8012 ahhh yes it was. I was planning on getting a 18ah DL battery, but after seeing this, that’s not gonna happen.
Add a Cabela's Non-spillable Lithium Iron Phosphate Battery to your 'to test' list.
It's on the charger. Just posted about it on the Ice Hole Power facebook page
How can you tell if they're poor quality batteries ? Are there markings on them? Who's a good supplier of quality batteries if a person wanted to build something on his own?
Because they failed the capacity test. I will probably do a battery pack build video after i get though these batteries
That is very shocking finding on a reputable brand. When you get a chance, you might also want to do a similar capacity test on a Bioenno battery which has become quite popular in the ham community. It is very interesting that some models even have different Max and Peak Continuous Discharge current specs on their battery labels from those indicated in their website...Thanks!
I will add them to the list.
Marucm lithium 18ah?
I'm excited to see inside of that one! Thanks for the suggestion!
Great review. Thanks !
🙂 👍🏻👍🏻
When are you going to make us batteries somebody has to make note and start makeing better batteries
Yahtzee, right there
Well, f@%k! I just ordered the 100ah battery.
It's been my experience that the bigger batteries are higher quality. I am sure it would be fine.
I got three 12 volt Dakota batteries three months ago. They advertise an 11 year warranty. One of them would not take a charge. The company does not ever answer their phone and they do not respond to emails. That seems to be the case for a lot of reviews on Amazon. So it looks like I'm out three hundred dollars for nothing. I guess that is par for the course these days.
The first time I called Dakota during business hours they answered and assured me they warrant their products. Be fair.
And that is a $300+ battery that could go on fire at any moment.
Why does Dakota lithium say their great but really JUNK’’
Because you believe TH-cam click bait trash.