Pioneer DJ PLX-CRSS12 Controller Turntable Review - No tonearm needed!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.ค. 2024
- If you need the features it has, Pioneer DJ’s PLX-CRSS12 controller turntable is a solid option for scratch DJs - definitely a dream for open-format turntablist, likely overkill for others. It's basically a combination of a Technics 1210, a Rane Twelve, and the Phase wireless DVS system. Watch on to see if this turntable is the right fit for your DJ set-up..
Read the full Pioneer DJ PLX-CRSS12 review: www.digitaldjtips.com/reviews...
⚡ TIMESTAMPS ⚡
0:00 Overview
1:39 Plugging in, layout and build quality
2:52 Platter and Magvel clamp
5:14 Performance buttons
5:55 Motor and platter controls
6:26 Screen, pitch and controller deck features
7:38 Mixer connections
8:23 Rekordbox DVS with timecode vinyl
9:29 Needle mode - no tonearm needed!
11:24 Two ways to use pitch
13:01 Utility menu
13:57 Hot cues, Stems, sampler, and scratch bank
15:15 Motor on/off demo
16:14 Platter heavy/light demo
17:02 Using with Serato DJ Pro
17:55 Sound quality
18:33 Customisable tonearm
20:14 Dust covers
20:41 Are they right for you?
23:41 Price
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⚡ TIMESTAMPS ⚡
0:00 Overview
1:39 Plugging in, layout and build quality
2:52 Platter and Magvel clamp
5:14 Performance buttons
5:55 Motor and platter controls
6:26 Screen, pitch and controller deck features
7:38 Mixer connections
8:23 Rekordbox DVS with timecode vinyl
9:29 Needle mode - no tonearm needed!
11:24 Two ways to use pitch
13:01 Utility menu
13:57 Hot cues, Stems, sampler, and scratch bank
15:15 Motor on/off demo
16:14 Platter heavy/light demo
17:02 Using with Serato DJ Pro
17:55 Sound quality
18:33 Customisable tonearm
20:14 Dust covers
20:41 Are they right for you?
23:41 Price
Wow - wishlist!
Nice to see Grandad’s lineage lives on in the Technics head shell. ❤
Hahahaha that’d be me 😂
Nice to see some fresh innovation in the controller space. Something like this would seriously make me consider a set of turntables again for the first time in about 12 years. I love the fact you get the benefit of using these as a controller, DVS or traditional vinyl deck.
can you confirm if it has the ultra pitch feature?
All we need to complement this is a mixer with Rekordbox built in and a screen, so we don't have to use a laptop for the DVS / controller asoects. This has been my dream product for about 10 years!
@@rorz999 Didn't Q-Bert try something like that a few years ago?
Wow I'm feeling good with this teaching because I'm a Beginner and I like watching your videos, It's helping me, You're a real teacher💯
Glad to help you
Scratch DJs are going to love this turntable.
We agree
As someone who can’t instantly tell what key a track is in, the endless possibilities of the step tempo is amazing as you could use it with master tempo to mix songs that wouldn’t usually be in key and actually have it dead on just by adjusting the bpm while leaving one track on master tempo so they lets align. Wish my XDJs had that
This is what ive been aiting for...pretty amazing and totally future proof!
Wow this is what I’ve been dreaming about the last 6months! Very interesting and modern, I see now the stems for Rekordbox and Serato. It plays mp3/wav, DVS, and Vinyl. I like it and very innovative also.
..Thanks Steve for the thorough review! A most interesting combination of controller/turntable...
They have done a really good job of making the turntable look good and pack in the features. The reloop is a bit too colourful for my taste but this looks cool. Love that is has support for Serato and Recordbox as that sounds like it could be important for the future.
Great video, thanks.
I agree, it looks a LOT nicer that you’d think it might
I agree. I'm impressed. Go pioneer.
Pretty cool, though, I think if you've already got a pair of technics/phase-controls/dicer(midi pads), then you've basically already got most of the things on offer here, with the benefit of being able to play 45s. One thing that would be interesting to know is how sound quality is stacking up to a technics 1210 using the same needles.
Same as PLX1000 we would guess
@@digitaldjtipsin their website they are saying the sound has been improved over the PLX-1000…but they also said the same about the A9 and a quick comparative with A&H 96 proved… the sound hasn’t changed that much. Although it’s a different subject
This is exactly what ive been waiting for to add real vinyl to my flx10 setup
*Great video!*
Hi Wanderlust
Thanks!
That's an amazing breakthrough ❤
Definitely innovative
As always guys, great review and very informative. Thanks for the videos.
Our pleasure!
Dear Santa...😂
Hohohoooooo🎅
I worked my ass off for a couple weeks and ordered one
And guitar center or ups lost it and are "investigating" it
Okay it came yesterday. Calibrating it, setting needle up breaking it in. Never used digital gonna have to get the programs. To sample my own instrumental work such as drums so I can scratch kt
Fed ex delivered it cause UPS lost it. I wonder if they will change to fed ex after ups lost a 1400 machine
Great job as always
Thanks again!
Now that is definitely good for me as was planning to go back to vinyl but didn't want a controller and a vinyl setup- this is basically a hybrid system can go from Rekordbox/Serato and then back to vinyl. Am very interested- also would look damn good when doing live sets I bet. Also means people can choose what to use and when, am liking it
Yeah you’re right on all counts there, it is very versatile
Great run down mate - as always. Would have been good to hear you play an actual vinyl record in the video. Side by side on sound quality would have been great as I find DVS setups sound very different to vinyl setups.
That's a good idea!
That's nice I like that what is coming out
What do you particularly like about it?
take my money these are amazing im don't play out with turntables in general but these will probably change that.
Wow praise indeed
I feel like pioneer knew I was looking at the rane twelve MK II and wondering whether we were due for a MK III. Rane one vs rev 7; rane four vs flx 10. These teams are trying to scoop each other.
I wonder if we’ll see other vendors looking at the turntable controller segment as an area for future innovation.
Well apart from Reloop of course which was there first 😊
i would use the decks for the stems and the mixer for the cue points .That way you do not get your modes mixed up and you could have those set and ready to go when you need them.Stems and cues are my main pad modes.I just cant get these because Pioneer tax and i have mk 2 Rane 12s but i will need these one day but it might be a while
Efficient detailed way to operate.
GREAT review Phil. It's pricing but may be worth it because it packs a lot. ButvIve already got 1210mk2, S9 mixer, DDJ-1000, SX2, Serato and Rekordbox with STEMS.
Wow, that's a lot of cool gear Steve!
As much as people think this new Pioneer hybrid turntable is so great, the Reloop RP-8000 MK2 hybrid came out 4 years ago and still is the number one Hybrid turntable.
Yup it is a good turntable
It looks like the number one feature the CRSS-12 brings, which the RP-800 doesn't, is the built-in DVS without tonearm. Anything else?
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I love it!
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Thank you
So impressive 👌
Damn it! I have to get one.
I would have loved one of these if it wasn't designed and set up for battle mode, I totally get why they've done it and their target audience but for me I have my turntables set horizontally.
Yeah hear you there
Thought it was just me...
I'm with you on that. I never could get along with a turntable set in "battle mode". Always felt backward to me.
Same as. Don't want battle mode.
Do you think they'd be accessible in normal layout
@@stevewells5417 they're playable, just everything printed and the digital display will by rotated by 90degrees.
the moment i woke up and saw a pic of this thing i knew we had a new hybrid deck coming out .This is a Rane 12mk 2 but with a tone arm .Everything i have ever wanted in a turntable but i have the Rane 12s and i just can not afford these very lovely machines....yet...Sniff....
One day!
Pioneer is certainly making a statement in 2023. This looks incredible but its not enough to pull me away from my CDJs. As for the price- if you compare it to the price of the recently re released Technics then consider all the extra features of the Pioneer player, it's fairly priced.
The Technics is definitely overpriced
@@digitaldjtips Because of its “Name” Technics been around longer than “Pioneer DJ”
@@digitaldjtips Agreed. I had one side by side with my old Technics 1200 (from almost thirty years ago) and the old one was better (thing is like a tank). I still think the PLX is fairly priced for what it does and I would be surprised if someone preferred the new Technics over this. This will be the new standard for turntables. I don't even really do vinyl and I plan to buy one to play around with it. I still have my two old Technics and probably 10,000 or so records from my vinyl days, I'm sure I'll find a use for it. Now if I can just find an S11 for my scratch setup, has been out of stock by me for almost two years now (maybe an S13 is in the works).........
Thank you so much for sharing. Im buying this for my home cave. I don't have a ton of space to store my vinyls so I think its a great solution. Im trying to find some info about what mixer is recommended. Im thinking aboiut the DJM-S5 and got a ok combo deal from my store but im also thinking if I should go all the way to the DJM-S11. I know its a big price jump and "if you can afford it" comes to mind but what is the really big advantages of the S11? Thanx again for sharing all your great content!.
DJM-S5 is fine, S11 probably overkill
@@digitaldjtips Thank you. I think that be the choice then 🙂
Pioneer coming for the jugular!!
1. Opus Quad
2. A9 mixer
3. CDJ 3000
4. Now this!!
They have to keep up with Denon. This though is definitely a step ahead on Denon.A9mixer also good
I'm wondering when Denon will come out with a new mixer
He forgot to mention that when you 're working without the tonearm, the software is on DVS mode (absolute or reltive) and not on internal mode. This means that this unit is not actually a controller in that mode but it's using a control signal that is been send by the rca plugs without the use of vinyl and without usb been plugged. It's DVS on both situations.
Yes thanks for clarifying
I understand this distinction technically... but is there any difference in terms of performance or user experience between the two modes? My guess is no, but I don't know.
@@brunsomarrr well, for starter, you DON'T have to plug in the USB in your computer. Probably there is more.
2nd if there id other software that works with Serato or Rekordbox tones, it's already compatible as is, for controlling the track without any driver (for buttons you have to plug USB and have drivers). I believe there are other programs using these tones out there
Important question I'm hoping you can clarify for me, I skipped the Rane 12 MKi because I don't prefer HID control at a 12" platter size. Currently own a Rane 12 MKii and love it since it actually puts out a timecode signal. Been harassing a company called Skratch Attach for a Rane 12 version of the magnetic tone arms they make for the Rane One (they claim its on the way) hoping I can cobble together something exactly like this. Does this CRSS12 actually output a timecode signal? Or are we just using an HID connection when disabling the tone arm? On a side note, I bought a Reloop 8000 and love the look and feel of it, but have had nothing but trouble with the midi connection when playing out live causing me to pull the midi plug and use it as just a standard turntable. It has been so consistently bad I had to stop taking it out to live gigs. Breaks my heart as I waited a long time to cop one expecting it to be my dream deck but now I just want to get rid of it. I love Reloop products and rarely have had issues with them, but this one has been a really bad experience.
It can output timecode
@@digitaldjtips Thank You!
lovely😍
Can you connect this to a standalone system like XDJ-XZ/OpusQuad and still use it as a controller or are a separate computer a must?
Or combine with CDJ-3000/DJM-A9 as standalone
I am wondering the same thing
@@agaagatwo I got answer in another chamnel, you must connect a computer for the midi-parts, otherwise it will just be a turmtable/dvs-system
Phil. These are amazing. Unfortunately out of my price range. But great product , at venues this will be perfect
Yes, maybe venues will start fitting them
Does this mean my dj vinyl collection has suddenly jumped in value .. nice 😀
@digitaldjtips - is it possible to run this turntable in DVS mode (with a laptop) into an analogue mixer? In other words - does the audio out from the turntable also carry the DVS audio or does the setup require a DVS enabled soundcard? I have a xone db4 mixer and I was hoping this turntable would provide the DVS audio in it... thanks
It required a DVS-enabled soundcard.
Great video, thanks. Could you please check the actual WOW&Flutter? They report a 0.15% figure, which clashes to the 0.01% of PLX-1000 (Which contrasts with my own measurements) and the 0.025% of ALL SL 1200 MKn. Thank you in advance
Sadly we no longer have these units here.
Cool idea and was debating on updating my ancient but bulletproof Technics 1200 MK2s to the new MK7s. The fit and finish looks nothing compared to a 1200. Also, I wonder how long until these seem dated because of all the technology.
All worthy concerns, although this functions fine as just a turntable too.
As I understand there are no RIAA-amplifer in this units? It’s a straight phono level as understand from another review so it doesn’t ruin another good mixers like rotarys.
Yeah sorry our mistake there, there are no phono preamps
Is it more accurate wen using the magvel clamp instead of standard DVS mode, time code vinyl wen mixing , even tho they are both DVS control , how well the pitch fader performs , ?
Just as accurate, pitch control is excellent
Is it possible to buy one turntable and use that as a digital controller for both decks by switching which deck is actively controlled, or do we need to purchase two?
In some circumstances yes, but it would be two decks on one “side” of the mixer (ie layers)
I want two but too expensive. No internal ground? Will it play 45s?
Hi Phil, Is the key reading available with real vinyl or is it just when using dvs? I’m on plx 500 they are decent but eventually I need to upgrade.
Just DVS
It would be great if it had software within to read a records key wouldn’t it.
Can i use this as an extra deck while using my opus quad, for example set it as deck 3 and control rekordbox deck three and have my opus working as deck 1-2-4, so basically controlling deck three using the digital deck the crss 12 has and the other decks with the opus and both devices connected to rekord box
Possibly, not tried that
@@digitaldjtips hmmm it would be a very sick set up butttttt before i buy a 1000 something dollar turn table i meed to do my research, and btw it would be great if you guys could like maybe try it out and see if it works if you still have the thurn tables and the opus 😅, oh and your videos and lives are amazing
All real DJS started with Turntables. 👍🏻❤️
Used to
Hello Phil, can these be used with the Denon DS1 to connect other mixers?
Yes
do you have to use that mixer for it can you also use the 450 mixer with this for also playing digital pc input? i like more the club looking mixers thx
Use any mixer you like, whether a mixer can play music from software depends upon whether it has an audio interface built in
Thanks for this. But I'm having an issue with my pair. I have them connected to my S11 via RCA
and USB but when I have a song rolling on deck 1 and then change the deck from 1 to 3, it's still controlling what's on deck 1 on the platter, and not allowing me access to deck 3 (despite that it says it's set to deck 3)...
What am I doing wrong? Or is this a known issue? Because I can't figure out where I'm going wrong. I just tried this on my Rev5 and it works fine. Is it something to do with the S11?
I'm also wondering if stem level control via the EQs is an option on the S11 like it is on the Rev5?
Any help on this stuff is greatly appreciated.
Sorry not heard that issue before!
Is there a way to use this with a prime 4 plus as a 3/4 deck controller ? Can’t find answered on this anywhere. Thanks 🙏
Do the Start/Stop, Motor Off, 33, 45, Step Pitch, Application, Deck, Reset buttons are midi mappable ?
Good point but doubt it
@@digitaldjtips We need a silent cue, a sync button, key lock, pitch bend etc. not another way to trigger hot cue. I don’t understand why they choose always the same shortcuts layout, it's a turntable! I need CDJ buttons not DJM on that part of my set-up, even REV7 have more interesting stuff around the plater
Do these turntables feel like technic 1210? I was going to buy controller but this may suit me better. I can play my vinyl and mp3 with this.
Yes
Hello, very interesting video, you really know your stuff, so much to this turntable but I have a question, I'm great at spending money on the best gear, I want a very excellent turntable to play my records, I don't intend to use this as a DJ so would this turntable suffice to just be an excellent record player?
Thank you for any advice you can give, new subscriber! Looking forward to more fascinating videos like this one.
Far better off buying a good hi-fi turntable for half the price
Can I map the pads for echo out etc?
Wow as an old school Dj wanting to upgrade. Lol I truly wish 🤞 I can buy if God willing
There are many much cheaper ways of doing this too :)
what is the sampler behind you to the left of the circuit?
Phil.. What are those monitors you have setup there
IK Multimedia iLoud Precision
Can the ccr12's utilize full 4 deck control with serato on a four channel mixer?
Not tried it but don't see why not
@@digitaldjtips
Just wondering because in another video I saw that it can control the cues and loops and stems of the other deck but not the actual platter part get what I'm saying?
So I'm just trying to confirm this because I want to switch from a controller to turntables again as I do have a lot of vinyl and it would be nice to throw in a vinyl here and there at a live show.
What mode do u have this in when not using needles in serato ?
It works like a controller deck in that mode ie HID
What’s the cost for a set
Tnx👍
You're welcome
Stems is the new trend catching on even on turntables
Yes!
WOW!
Do i need a paid prescription to use these? just bought one and cant get the digital mode to work?
They are designed to work with Serato DJ Pro or Rekordbox software if you want to use the digital functions.
I got it sorted, i hadnt elected relative mode was what was causing the problem.@@digitaldjtips
do u to plug to rca cables for digital vinyl?
no
Does it play vinyl?
This will be mostly for turntablist or those who stream from their house. I dont see nightclubs switching back to this on a mass scale
No they certainly will never swap from CDJS to this
I guess it's not a ludicrous price given it's doing double duty, albeit stripped back. It really would nearly halve the required space for people who have proper controllers plus traditional decks.
It seems odd to me if it's designed to be run in battle mode to not make the unit marginally wider and move the pitch control down to the right like all other modern controllers. Plenty of other things have been changed why not adjust the form factor so you don't have to reach back behind the tonearm? Suddenly you can move the small screen up so it's not set under the tonearm anymore.
Guess it would just break a paradigm
I'm also not a fan of battle mode, but it seems like the target audience for a product like this is the die-hard turntable using crowd, which leans towards turntablism/hi-hop scratch Djing (why else are they holding onto their 12" decks for so long...). I wish this CRSS-12 could have been designed so the visual cues work well in either format but... I'm not sure how that would've been possible.
I'm still waiting for the day i dont need to use a laptop with it and having to carry around a heavy bag full of vinyl to use with it. For example it would be nice to see a USB slot and a built in screen for reading playlists
Fun idea
It works/ integrate with Traktor Pro 3?
We guess it would
So, the million dollar question: Can they be used with an old analog mixer WITHOUT an SL box, Flux etc for DVS?
Of course they can. They have analog outputs and a real tonearm.
@@djshineboy re-read my question
@@mark_spit7839 Ah now i see it. Than it’s a good question. If there’s a soundcard built-in it should work but i doubt that.
@@djshineboy Exactly! If it indeed has a built in sound card, I can see a lot of people trading in their 1200’s and SL / Flux boxes for these.
Yes. th-cam.com/video/_jqm_YA7_7s/w-d-xo.html
I still go with Rev7
I like it, but I prefer my turntables the other way.
Yeah this is definitely designed for scratch heads
How do you update the firmware
It's easy, there are instructions supplied with the unit.
It's nice to see Pioneer DJ taking this kind of direction, but the price... for that kind of money you got 2 RP8000MK2 + Phase (even the 4 remote version) and you still got money for a good scratch mixer.
Lot of way they could done that better, like using the same layout as the RP8000 for the little pad (Reloop make them bigger on the MK2 for a reason), put the little control next to the target light instead of under the tonearm, and why not make this little magnet thing (which seems like a great idea anyway) the same size as the 45rpm adapter so it can be use that way.
The pitch step is also something great that should be on every player, more intuitive than having a separate tone control. I'm waiting to see how those can handle rumble, as the PLX aren't great with that.
(also, why Pioneer alway find long complicated name with letter that no one know what they mean :) )
Agree the name is a mess!
Not sure about the ‘C’ (controller?) but the ‘RS’ part should be Rekordbox/Serato. The ‘S’ before 12 also not getting yet.🤦🏽♂️
I worked my ass off to buy it and it's worth every hour of hard labot
I wonder if Andy C would like these?
Good question!
The spindle/motor shaft system is more similar to the Hercules t7 than the Rev7...
No, it’s not
This is something DJ Angelo, JFB and DJ Q-Bert would use.
James Hype won’t use it as hasn’t got the “Cue” button apart from Cue pads it could work for him. Time will tell.
I’m not a pioneer fan but as a “DJ” I use whatever thrown in front of me.
My preference is Traktor S4Mk3, Prime 4 and 1210s mk2.
DJ Angelo Sound use Reloop i think 🤔
@@naelbeno6249 Yes he does but he still test them out even it’s behind closed doors.
The bottom line is that DJs are still looking for that elusive 1200 feel despite all the controllers in the market for decades. 1200s are still influencing DJ hardware R&D
SOME DJs maybe, we agree it is unlike anything else... but many don't care at all.
Anyone wanna buy a audio technica AT LP 1240 turntable?
The comments about the excellent phono pre-amp with great sound are confusing me. Other reviews suggest there is no phono pre-amp (meaning you can’t use Line In inputs) and that this was done deliberately because even if not used a phono pre-amp reduces audio quality. And yet Phil is suggesting the opposite?
I highly doubt that, if it didn't have phono pre-amps you wouldn't be able to play traditional vinyl, hence the toggle switch between line and phono.
@@HumanThoughtExpression my understanding was that phono pre-amps are only required when needing to amplify outputs to line in levels rather than phono levels. Why would you need a phono pre-amp to play vinyl? You can play it fine to any mixer or amp that has phono ins as opposed to line ins
Sorry Ian you’re right there are no phono preamps on these, some confusion due to the short time we had them and the production schedule is another piece of gear with phono preamps we were reviewing at the same time!
Got me interested , i do like you can you can use it as a controller. Downside: effect buttons on the turntable, i find them gommicky
Yes, they do look a bit weird on a turntable, although they are quite tastefully done here
It is a shame they are designed in battle mode, pretty sure that analogue/digital button is in the way of the resting pitch riding hand when the TTs are in the more common layout.
It is a bit curious with a fixed platter unit
It’s an amazing turntable. I’m happy with my Rane MK 2’s though. Plus the price compared to the Rane’s is way too much.
They are definitely pricey.
they should put a sync button on these.
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If this wasn’t orientated for battle mode I’d probably buy them. Not sure why they did this. I know you can just put them in normal configuration.. But I have ocd about stuff being back to front and not in the correct orientation.. So the writing at a funny angle would be unpleasant.. 😂
Fair enough!
@@digitaldjtipsIs it that much of a problem? How about cables? If I put them in normal mode will the cables reach mixer? From the right hand side? Will there be ugly cables pushed up against the side of my mixer on the left / casing me to lose vital space and making it look untidy? Also I’m on a kallax so I can’t have battle even if I wanted. Should I get these, technics mk7 or PLX1000 ( I’m thinking we are due a PLX 2000 soon ).. Cheers in advance Phil.
Monopoly concerns aside, these are f@#£ing fit.
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Too expensive… but its Pioneer so not surprised. I stick with my RP8000s. Still, some cool tricks it has.
The MK II is Amazing
"Too expensive" Cheaper than a CDJ3000 or a 1200GR.
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Take my money
You like it then?
Let @DjAngeloUK smashing that beast 💪
You can hear the timecode under the music 🎶
Not through the speakers you can’t
@@digitaldjtips i can hear it me brother
8:46
listen good
@@digitaldjtips8:46
Thanks the room mic picking up the timecode sound directly off the record. If you stand near a timecode record with a needle playing, you can hear the noise even if the upfaders are turned down.
To be honest I don’t see why they don’t have a usb drive input with a small touch screen for browsing the files. This would be a game changer. If I could just have tracks on a usb same as xdj or cdj and insert into the turntable
That would make it a completely different (and much more expensive) product - though as you say, a great one!