Is This Strange Device Backpacking's MIRACLE CURE?
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Is that a Brynje or a Wiggy’s mesh shirt you’re wearing?
@@RCshowmen Farpoint Alpha Fleece
The irony, ultralighters spent all this time and effort to get away from traditional packs like Osprey that have phenomenal support and breathability only to come full circle attempting to find something to address air circulation issues with their ultralight packs. Now that's funny.
Yup.
thats why I focus on the most comfortable pack I can find, and worry about weight savings elsewhere
It is genuinely funny. "What if we completely deconstruct our gear into the most basic, lightest weight, and (often) least durable version and then build it all back up using a bunch of cottage industry after market add ons and end up with a more expensive, unwarranty-able recreation of an existing product designed by industry professionals on the off chance that it weighs less?"
Clowns.
We all get that we should weight conscious but the precipice of the weight weenie arrives much sooner than we suspect.
@@arnoldkotlyarevsky383a bit harsh but yes it can be counter productive sometimes
my osprey 35L has a hard back and a net mesh your back goes on so theres breathability and slight cushion. only reason id consider ultralight setups is if im going for speed/distance for time limitations. they have their uses but this thing is gimmicky at best
cant wait for the backpacking community to learn about external frame packs
I think they are aware, but are in a weight saving spiral to the point they will deal with something like this.
The new titanium Jansport
Those were the original concept for bags so it’s been done and I’m sure people are aware. But like the comment before I believe it’s due to weight savings and bulkiness
haha as a hunter with a large frame pack i was thinking the same thing. difference is they want it to be light so its comfortable and i want it to be light so i can get it on my back with an elk quarter strapped in.
Love my old Kelty, I'll never give it up!
Seems like we are slowly turning internal frame packs back into external frame packs of the 60s-70s, and rediscovering the value of a separate bag and frame. At least to some degree.
I had one of those in early seventies. I used to call it a ladder pack!😊
to be fair theres been ul packs with perfectly fine frames for as long as theres been UL packs.. influencers just dont use them, so fewer ppl buy em.. but.. they're.. better
But this time it’s flimsier!
@@kangsterizer can you give some examples? I currently have an Osprey Exos but I lent it to my friend and looking for a backup.
Back in the day (1970's) I bought a frame from Adventure 16. It was an aluminum HIP frame. It never really touched my back because the whole pack rested on my hips. I never really thought much about it but I noticed that the other members of my hiking party became pretty darn damp at the end of the day. I could even carry that pack with no straps at all for a while when I wanted to rest my shoulders. So this got me thinking about that pack. I don't pack any more but that was such a great pack. It was custom made depending on my hip and waste size so might not be for the modern market and of course they're not made any more. Good memories with it though.
I've hiked with my parents on a relatively small mountain with a 'mini carrier' (just a 30-35L sized carrier) that has an aluminum back support and stiff fabric. And also hiked to a pretty big mountain (around 3000 meter above sea level, forgot the abbreveation for it) with an osprey Volt my dad got, we probably overpacked but hey it was our first serious hike.
I don't completely remember the experience, but I do know I sweated aa lot, so I think it would be a good to try and recreate a hip frame since this it the first time I've ever heard of such, and considering the tropical climate of my home country it's kinda surprising nothing similar is available.
That‘s what I do with my backpack: Carrying the weight on my hips and the shoulders are totally loose if I want. It works for hiking, skitouring… And it you sweat use a merino-t-shirt to stay warm.
I've had it for about 8 months now, I paid around 100 € for it (because of import fees), but if I had to buy it again for double the price, I'd do it without a second thought.
You hit the nail on the head when you said that it feels comfortable on its own because it distributes the pressure points (I couldn't explain why it felt that "good" when I first tried it).
I already had a 50 € backpack that suited my needs (light, modular, with many pockets, nice looking and quite solid) and wouldn't see myself spend 400 € (granted that everything is more expensive in Europe) for a heavier and bulkier pack. So it's pretty sad to see all those snarky comments in the comment section from people who never touched the product (but I guess it's 95% of TH-cam comments about product reviews).
It weights basically nothing, and it's made from a souple material (kind of plastic) so there's 0 comfort issue. Plus, you can put it on any backpack and leave it at home when it's cold enough outside.
By the way, instead of velcros, I used zip-ties and I find it to be more secured that way.
Tax, are you in Belgium?
When you dump out the box and leave all the 'extra' pieces at home... hahaha 😂that's classic.
Yeah.. I would never do that. If there were parts in the box, especially that small, I'd have put them in a little pouch in the bag or something
Ikea syndrome :D
I love my Vaucluse. I use it with a frameless pack, 20 lbs or less total weight, and it makes the pack way more comfortable with a bear canister. I needed a week or so of fiddling with it and adjusting my pack straps to get it right. And you need the Velcro straps. Saves my back from pools of sticky sweat.
I’m not a fan of frameless packs…but I can see how this would really help. I might try that next
I use mine with a 70 Liter pack with 1/8 foam strips from an old sleep pad added in strategic places.
Hello from germany
I am a heavy sweating guy since years. I am sweating with a rucksack while hiking, and I am sweating with no rucksack riding my bycycle.
I don't really fear sweating, I fear the freezing with wet clothes, wet hair or wet skin.
Thats the real problem.
Greetings from franconia
I ordered two of them last year and it is a game changer. The air flow is no way any backpack can provide. No sweat at the back at all. For the padding, it is using 3d print material so it is soft enough. If your shirt is too thin that might be a problem but normal hiking shirt will be fine. If you position it right you cannot feel it. The comfort it brings to the backpacking hike is worth for the money and extra oz.
I've put about 100 miles on one of these attached to my MYOG rolltop frameless pack and I love it. It took a couple outings to get it set right and to get used to it, but worth it!
😳👍
It's good to know that it works as advertised for ultralight packs that might benefit. Tough to make something universal that actually does the job!
That just looks painful.
It’s not fist gen’s were stiff but second generation is comfy
I use a drybag/rucksack a lot for swimming and hiking (I tow it behind me). By nature the pack is pressed right against my back. A friend brought a Vaucluse frame over to Switzerland for me and it's amazing. Works really well for my needs, on these particular rucksacks.
I'm of the opinion that Gossamer Gear has this covered pretty well. Having a pocket in the back of the pack for your sit pad included in the pack, helps get rid of the bear can bulge. I also started carrying it a bit higher in the pack - above the sleeping quilt.
As someone who has a watertight dry-backpack that doubles as a convenient floatation device in rivers, this is going to be a very useful product! That heavy rubberised canvas on my bag is super uncomfortable against my back for long-term wear.
could be nice to add some mesh or sth similar on the frame no ?
Seems easy enough to 3D print honestly
Only $53
What is surprising is normally with the extra space, there is a leverage effect which should give you the effect that your bag is heavier.
Like when you try to lift a broom horizontally with one hand by grabbing the end of the broom handle.
Thanks for the review. I've been on the fence about picking this up. Back sweat is a big problem for me. Often resulting in a heat rash when wearing a non-ventilated pack. I am a little worried about how comfortable those ridges would be on my back.
I think you make an excellent point at the end about sweat not being a pain point for you. I saw the Vaucluse in an e-mail from GGG and was intrigued. But your comment made me stop and think. I sweat a LOT. So even if I had back ventilation I'd still probably be drenched. If nothing else from sweat from my front making it's way around or dripping down from my head.
Steven, we need more gear videos specific to the PNW! Too many youtubers are hiking in much drier/warmer climates, and their advice just doesn't work when it rains for days on end.
This type of climate is definitely a challenge. I'm switching to quick drying shoes and umbrellas for a lot of rain management because of the high humidity. I'm a heavy sweat person and I've had damn good quality raingear wet through in about 30 min to an hour because of being saturated on both sides. So frustrating
Absolutely, this is where interesting niche products come to play
@Jarrych83 Most of the trails I'm on are way too narrow to accommodate an umbrella, or that would be a great option!
@@Wyatt.the.martian absolutely. It's a real challenge. I'm finding it's helpful for being out for a few hours. I'm just SW of Portland and have a half dozen easy places to go hiking, so it's great for this time of year and the fall when you never know what's coming up but it's also 65 and anywhere between 65-85% humidity.
Alot of jungle hikers just advise to get soaked during the day
pretty obvious that it needs padding. sheesh
Been using it for 8 months now, and never felt any discomfort. Except if you hike shirtless, then I suppose it could be a slight problem.
Thanks to this TH-cam video, I purchased the Vaucluse Backpack Ventilation Frame half a month ago. I knew about this product before, but after watching this video, I knew that it was definitely a product that suited my intentions. I used it for a hike a week ago and this frame really keeps my back cool and prevents my backpack from getting soaked with sweat.
I used a traditional frame pack never had to worry about ventilation. The ventilation was handled by the shoulder adjustment. Besides, your constantly adjusting the shoulders switching between climbing and downhill modes.
I really appreciate this review - I was/am getting the ads for this and was wondering if it would work.
Thanks for doing this video. I, too, was interested in this and wondered if it was worth it.
I love your short and to the point videos, thanks for keeping the content to time ratio high. Keep up the good work.
Laughs in ALICE pack.
I wonder if there was a way to pad a couple specific ridges of a few of the hexagons to give more comfort while still allowing most of the breathability and support.
i love garage grown gear! I've found some really cool stuff on there, and love supporting the smaller businesses.
I love my frame. It really helps even out the load and makes my pack very comfortable. I thought it would break because it's pretty thin but I've used it as a seat before and it's still sturdy.
I have something like that for the driver seat in my car. I would think the structure would need changing, and create allowance in mutability for ergonomics. I can see value in that items in terms of shifting load carry in hiking, which could improve a varied muscle tone. ... 'probably can makeshift something similar, though. (OR install/retrofit some sort of tension system to make the item do that, if it is not too rigid and has plasticity)
Original external frames did not have so much of the contact+sweat problem.
I don’t mind back sweat when I’m backpacking, but I hate it when I’m doing my long distance bike rides, for which I have a Camelbak, and the back sweat bugs me to no end. So, thank you for reviewing this, I think I know how to solve my problem for while I bike.
On thru hikes I find my sweat destroys the back of the pack; especially if I it’s a dry section and I can’t rinse the pack daily. I’m going to give this a try. Thx
i got TWO, it works perfectly well for daily backpack in southeast asia, where it is ALL TIME hot and humid... as for day hiking, it helps from preventing heat stroke...
Cool vid I was wondering about that thing but really I’ve never needed the back ventilation. Thanks man!
works just fine & is comfortable for me...hike a lot here around north Florida & it helps to mitagate sweat on my back
Get yourself some fine cargo netting and make a sock/ sack to enclose the frame. Greater weight/ pressure distribution and still breathable
There's no need for the toxicity towards other backpackers. Some people enjoy going as light as they possibly can and some don't. Nothing wrong with that!
I have something like that for the driver seat in my car. I would think the structure would need changing, and create allowance in mutability for ergonomics. I can see value in that items in terms of shifting load carry in hiking, which could improve a varied muscle tone. ... 'probably can makeshift something similar, though.
I like the idea that you can add the ventilation layer when you want it and skip it when you wish to go lighter and the air is less humid.
It works great with Gossamer Gear packs. The stretchy pad sleeves keep it in place and add a small comfort layer.
I bet. It’s almost made for those packs!
I tried it with a small backpack and thought it was very uncomfortable. Wherever the bones on my back would make contact with it was just irritating.
I have the same (smaller) pack.. Kakwa44, oft wondered if something like this could help with the swamp bavk. Seems a rigid open cell foam would be better than pvc. Will stay on the lookout
I'm a big guy with a broad back. I've been using one of these on my old school, 20 year old, cordura nylon daypack (no hipbelt) . it's been great when I'm doing quick mt hikes in the northeast. No more cold back when you take the backpack off at the top of the mountain to enjoy the peak's views.
This video has me thinking I should set up the 2nd one on my weekend backpack. I got 2 because the added cost for a 2nd one wasn't even half the cost of just getting one, and then you ALSO got free shipping. Not sure if they have the same deal still.
Saw this recently.. thought I might pick it up, though I'm concerned with whether it'd tear my clothes or pack up, among other things.
I had the same reservations. 300 or so miles logged no issues with clothing other than some type of clothing sticking to the lower Velcro straps.
I have a ULA Circut and the only thing I don’t love or should say hate, is the back sweat it causes. I MAY try this as that is the one thing I can’t do very well with this pack is regulate sweat and when it’s cold, it makes things difficult.
I really think that there is an ultimate "backpack" since we are so different. To me the Fjallraven Kajka is my wonder, its bulky yes, and on the heavy side of the range, but its just a pleasure to carry.
I have one and my initial reaction is it’s great. It makes a huge difference ventilation wise with my hyperlight pack.
I just stumbled on your channel and I love your honest reviews. You inspire me to go backpacking!
Thanks. I’m glad you are enjoying the channel.
Lowe Alpine airzone have this tech built in and it's amazingly comfortable, I hike every week in snow to sunshine, bush bash and have hiked all over the world. Love my lowe alpine airzone packs and the air gap works great, it also keeps a full pack off you body as there is always a space between you and the pack.
There is a downside to moving your backpack farther from your back/center of gravity. It has more leverage in its sway to disrupt your balance.
Can't wait to 3D print it!
next test is using that bear spray on a charging grizzly when its buried in your pack. 🤣🤣
I believe that is for food storage, not bear spray
@@calvin2032 ah i get you. bear canister is for food´. well if you need that you are going to need the spray and a gun. i can see him carrying neither but its still possible they are on his belt. you ruined my smart @ss joke Calvin🤣
@@mateos8378California has black bears not brown bears.
@E_Clampus_Vitus ah right those pacifist black bears. These are the toothless clawless black bears of California? So my mistake on the grizzly remark but just substitute it for black bear and you get the point. I already stand corrected by another comment anyway. The bear canister he refers to is not bear spray. It's a bear proof canister to keep his food safe. P.s. i didn't know he was in California. He says Olympic Coast .Isn't that further north near Washington? (And yes still no grizzlies)
That looks to be an ingenious product! I would def get it, I don't like being all sweaty and sticky at the end of the day....or in the middle....heck, an hour after setting out LOL!
I would say the biggest benefit of this would be ventilation to keep your back cool. On a hot day this thing looks like it would be a huge benefit if you have a lightweight frameless pack. It could have been better designed for sure but even as it is it seems pretty useful.
I absolutely love your video production. As a content creator and video editor I know the amount of time and effort that goes into an entertaining and cohesive video like this. On behalf of myself and the rest of the community we thank you 🙏🏾 😊
Thank you!
One aspect I think that was over looked is in cooler climates. Climates where you can wear shorts and a t shirt are not really an issue with back sweat as it really is just an annoyance.
Cooler climates where you need to bundle up a bit more, it makes a difference if you get a heavily sweaty back as while the pack is on it's fine as the pack add insulation but when you remove it you now have a wet back that no longer has that same protection. I'm not even saying temps need to be freezing but getting down there.
I do also think it's an item to consider if you have recently bought a pack your pleased with but it lacks proper venting, then your looking at only spending $50 more for a pack you will use vs $250+? for a new pack and you got one that's now just gonna sit or at best sell for a good loss.
I by no means think it's a must have item for everyone but do see some cases where it can come in handy.
sounds like a great (kinda overpiced) kit for tropical jungle/equator hiking
I don't know if I'd want to have the weight and extra inch or so further back, although I use a cheapish forclaz "easy adjust" backpack (didn't cost much more than this "pad") which has pretty good ventilation.
What I see with this thing, having not used it, is it "undoing" what my load lifters do, pushing my pack weight backwards.
I was thinking about the same. Before I learned to pack my back correctly, I had some difficulties on a hard scrable. A few close calls too when the pack was pulling me out of the slope.
It really doesn’t move your CG much. Consider this thing is 3/4 inches and the top and bottom flex together under load so it acts like Zpack Arc series. I barely noticed 35 pounds going through the mountains on the PA AT with it.
This may be something useful to me. I have a really nice DIY, frameless pack that makes me sweat until I am soaked. The pack itself cost me less than $50 to make. Hmmm.
I've been having the same problem with a 50€ backpack. On most of my hikes, I was ending up with my back drenched in sweat (granted I live in a kinda warm climate). Since I invested in it, that problem is gone. Bonus point is that it distributes the weight across your back so you don't have any pressure point. And it weights nothing, so it's a win-win!
Looks like something that you carry a six pack of beer with
I was lucky enough to get a couple of these a couple years ago and trialled one extensively during covid lockdowns in Melbourne and after.
I live in Australia and most of my walking is in hot summer in rough country. Packs without aeration are quite unpleasant here. Think 35C plus in the sun all day.
The Vaucluse is THE only way I’ve found to make most UL packs wearable. Sure it’s got some rough points. I went over my frame and chamfered all the key ridges. But it does what it claims - it makes a DCF or robic “sack” wearable in hot summer. That means any frameless pack on the market atm(these are unbearable in our summer, including the much vaunted hyperlight mountain pack - terrible in hot climates in Australia without something like this back spacer). And it’s still ok in our alps in the snow too. It makes a hyperlight pack comfortable to wear in summer in the Australian outback.
I’ve found many other packs with claimed back air channels are so much hotter. Hotter = need more water / increased fatigue. And greater comfort.
Having said this, my favourite and goto pack set up often tend to still be my Zpacks Arc Haul 34 (the small one). Because the aeration is built in (simpler and doesn't come loose) and effective ( it actually works in an Australian summer). When/if I travel overseas again I’ll probably take a conventional pack WITH the Vaucluse frame.
It’s really not so much about the lightest pack but about the pack that has the best harness for the weight you want to carry and is most comfortable all day long in the conditions you walk in most. A pack a pound heavier that excels, feels like it’s kilos lighter.
Also Aus, Bingo, most don't get something that fits them and just buy into the name
I'm older and I actually like the heat on my back. Keeps it loose and feeling better.
Love your videos . entertaining and informative. I will never be able to afford to do it but I still enjoy your videos
I've got the Deuter Futura Pro and it ventilates so good
Just making our way back to External Frames
Thank goodness
I’m just still trying to decide how I should feel about your finding the Velcro in the trash and litter! Good find.
It’s ok to feel bad. Anytime ive hiked a beach that doesn’t get cleaned regularly I’ve been astonished at how much junk there is
I think of my 34L Stratos Osprey as a hybrid between an internal and external frame pack. It's very comfortable but the design limits the capacity and makes packing it a bit challenging.
Why is it a hexagonal lattice? I bet you could make it much more comfortable on your back if it had an auxetic structure which could conform as needed
I’ve been wearing mine with an US Assault pack for the last 5 months, 20-25 pds . Night and day difference for airflow and keeping cooler. Duck taped the top connectors to stay put. Great product, may not be for everyone.
+1 for duct tape
D3O? or other soft impact absorbing material could be place on the existing surface area without ventilation loss.
Humping any pack more than a half an hour the back of my shirt is soaked, this looks interesting to me. Thanks
You know where this could be really handy? Cycling (commuting or leasurely) with a normal backpack! I hate having a backpack while riding a bike because of back sweat, this seems like a good solution for that issue!
Great review. If you’re not going to use it, send it my way and I’ll walk it through the paces of summer hiking in Virginia! 😂
UL Backpacker: Ospreys backpacks are trash, they are so heavy.
Also UL Backpacker: *Tries to recrate Ospreys trampoline back system*
By the looks of it, it pulls the pack away from your back and puts more pressure on the front of your shoulders straps?
Maybe back sweat isn't a big deal for you, but you did say it made things more comfortable. Is that a good enough reason to use one?
Made it more comfortable than my bear canister poking in my back. May not be more comfortable in every situation…hard to say…but it wasn’t uncomfortable and that surprised me.
Excellent video!! Skills 👌
I'm glad im not the only person who didn't know i lost my Velcro haha
This frame is the difference between my back being totally soaked, dripping wet with sweat and... not. 9/10.
Its not quite as comfortable as the nice soft foam pad in my pack but it doesn't cause any issues either.
This could save you in freezing temperatures. Also quite useful if it rains. I'd buy it. But first, I'll see if I can 3d print something similar haha.
Whatever it takes, this is something I need to figure out. I'm a profuse sweater, and this is the number one thing I hate about packs (anything from a tiny water bladder pack to a huge pack).
The key is compromise. You can have a pack with better ventilation but it's naturally going to weigh more, and the system is often going to weigh more, or, you can reduce pack weight and often the overall system weight and have less purpose built ventilation. Both often work really well. One increased weight and potential for sweating, but better ventilation, the other decreases weight, sweating potential, but less purpose built ventilation.
How do you keep your electronic devices charged during a hike and what device do you usually haul along?
I was hoping it was going to be a super-lightweight chair!
Imagine buying an UL pack and then buying a bunch of other things to make it more comfortable (cause they’re not comfortable). It’s as if just buying a well made traditional backpack with all those comforts and features like frames and ventilation is a good idea…
Hi french guy here. For the prononciation it's more like "Voklüz"
Nice review ! :)
What is that black mesh-like hoodie you're wearing? I love it!
My problem with backpacks isn't sweating, it's the straps digging into my shoulders from the weight of all the shyt I carry in my backpack.
Have you had your torso measured and bought a pack that fits your torso size? Typically if you are having shoulder pain it’s from a pack that is too small for your torso. Even with heavier loads a properly fitting pack shouldn’t dig into your shoulders
I hiked the Presidential trail for 3 days and it worked great. No issues at all
knock-knock...! I'm the bear! 🐻... where did you put your bear canister? [spray]...
YUP
Yep, as soon as he said that i was like wtf?
So, your point is that you don't know the difference between two different things?
Not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse, but the video refers to a large rigid plastic tub used for storing food to keep it away from bears (which can and should be in your pack while hiking), not a small pressurized spray can used to repel nearby bears. Some areas require the use of a bear canister for storing food instead of just bags etc.
Easy mistake. The lump he shows looks to be shaped a lot like an aerosol canister.
Over has this issue for years, finally someone a solution
Osprey has this feature built in.
Perhaps someday somebody will invent a pack with the frame on the outside.
Is it not likely to wear through your breathable waterproofs?
my osprey rook has the trampoline back and id take the extra weight of the bag for the comfort it gives me over an ultralight 8 times out of 10 (depends on the hike)
Back sweat and back overheating is torture.
It’s pronounced “ voe-cloozz “. It’s something that could interest me. My pack has no framing so it’s like a barrel when it’s full.