Better Aircraft - Pipistrel Panthera vs Diamond DA50 RG
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ต.ค. 2020
- Hey guys welcome to a brand new video. Today we will be taking a look at another 2 very interesting aircraft! We have covered one of these aircraft in a separate video but we have not yet talked about one them. Our first aircraft is the The Diamond DA50RG which Diamond claims is your number one choice! But lets see how it compares to our next aircraft which is the Pipistrel Panther which is a Unique 4-seater with an attractive design.
The Pipistrel Panthera is a lightweight, all-composite, highly efficient four-seat aircraft. Pipistrel designed the Panthera with an aerodynamic shape which allows the aircraft to be handled easily at low speeds. The organic curves guarantee maximum efficiency and minimum drag. In additional to the great looks the Panthera focused on safety because it features a full-airframe parachute rescue system. They developed the parachute to be able to deploy at high and lowspeeds. Currently Pipistrel is offering this aircraft as a kit airplane for amateur construction, or factory-built. Intended for registration in US Experimental - Exhibition, Air Racing and Market Surveys - category.
The DA50 aircraft has several variants ranging from the DA50 Magnum which is an unpressurized version powered by an Austro AE 300 Diesel Engine rated at 170 hp. Up to the DA50-JP7 which is a 7 seat version powered by an AI-450S FADEC controlled turboprop engine rated at 465 hp. On September 9 Diamond Aircraft received certification from the EASA for its DA50 RG. With this achievement Diamond has first deliveries planned for the first quarter of 2021. Its a 5 seat variant powered by a CD-300 turbocharged, FADEC controlled jet fuel engine rated at 300 hp which is made by Continental Aerospace Technologies with 3 blade propellers. On top of Jet fuel being available around the globe, it also has vastly less emissions when compared to other fuels like AvGas.
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I've owned a Panthera for 14 months now. It's not my 1st aircraft and I doubt it'll be my last. Funny thing is, when I bought it, I had no idea Diamond aircraft even existed... and having seen the DA50 up close and even been lucky enough to fly one, although they are pretty evenly matched, I'd still choose the Panthera. I own homes in both the UK and Denmark as my partner is Danish... so I live between the two countries and spend a lot of time commuting in the air. If the Panthera has the DA50's engine, there would be no contest between the two. Yet despite the 40% more fuel burn per hour of my aeroplane, her cruise is 20knts faster and my range is a massive 400 miles further. However... I've recently completed my twin engine rating and with all the personal flying I do, I've often wished I had an extra couple of seats for extended family and because of this, I'm currently seriously considering investing in the twin engine DA62.
that's so dope, how much did it cost, and if you don't mind me asking, what do you do for a living??
i like the Panthera and the da50rg. the new tech on the da50 is dope, but that range and speed for aircraft in its class is lacking.
I'd take either for free hahaha
Best choice you could have done!
Suggestion: create a table in the comments or at the end of the video that has all the data you discussed. Nice video! Thanks!
Yeah, that would be really useful.
Thank you so much for these videos!
Thank you for watching!
Haven't seen either but would like to fly both. Can't beat the sleek look of the Panthera, but I suspect that the DA50"s mass makes it a more stable IFR platform.
The Panther looks amazing. As well as the diamond da50 at the end of the day I would love to fly both of them. Outstanding planes. Many thanks philip.
The Pipistrel Panthera wins hands down. Faster, increased range, higher service ceiling (higher = more comfort), costs less to buy, safety parachute, shorter takeoff length, faster climb rate - it's laughing at the competition.
Thank you so much for the video, I would love to fly them both.
Would love to fly both! Amazing!
DA-50 RG is my choice . I have fun with the DA-20,DA-40..
The Panthera is my choice. I'd love to see what it could do with a 300hp Turbo engine instead of the 260hp normally aspirated version. That would probably take it to over 250kt range.
Hi Marlin, superb and objective comparison. Well done and keep up the great work. The non-emotive and factual comparison is much appreciated and helps you stand out from the crowd. Both aircraft are works of art. Pipistrel has electric and hybrid versions of the Panthera in active development following the recent certification of their electric Velis. I wrote a few times to Diamond aircraft asking them if they were considering a parachute system (as the incorporation of that has been a huge plus for Cirrus, and I am sure will help Panthera and their Pilots / PAX too in rare but dire emergencies). But, Diamond never responded and that’s sad. I trained on a Cirrus but fly a Pipistrel Virus SW, fully optioned. The aerodynamics and safety features of the aircraft are outstanding. An incredible LSA aircraft, MTOW 600kg. The videos of it and its features on my channel are private, however, at least for the next 10 years! Warm regards and blue skies. Vini
Hi is the Pipistrel pressureized?
I am training on Virus sw. It’s a lovely aircraft.
Both are great designs. But the DA50 gets my vote!
same price maybe I can see going with the jet A DA50 but $200k more ???I would go with the Panthera. Longer range faster and with parachute the Panthera wins hands down with me. I would love to have either one!
Love the diamond. Looks sweet
The Panthera’s base price doesn’t include FAA certification, so that’s for Experimental. Also no FIKI available for Panthera, but I believe it may be coming.
Nice video and I like them both.
Both such beautiful planes I’d like en both, imagine the color scheme you could get wild on both
Agreed!
I agree, they are both stunning! I think I give the edge to the Diamond.
Wouldn’t waste a dime on fancy paint, especially on Da50 since it will be sitting out in sun all day. It won’t fit in a standard T hangar because of wingspan so it will be burning in the sun out on the ramp every day.
@@tropicthndr or its like 700 grand and people with that cash wont be putting their plane in a standard t hangar
Beautiful planes, both of em. At this point can only dream. . . . . .:)
The Lycoming in the Panthera has been specially developed & Certified to operate on Mogas!
Now THAT is cool.
The DA50 runs on jet A
The Panthera is 700k+ did a test flight earlier this month
Maybe for the proposed, certified version. The current experimental version is around $400k
I see you have other flight videos on your channel. Did you record your flight in the Panthera too?
It flys fast because the empennage tapers done going back the passenger compartment toward the tail, the father the width of the fuselage goes to the tail, the more areodynamic drag it has. This slows the plane down and take more fuel and power to fly it. The wind being generated by the prop has to provide thrust past the cabin all the way back behind the tail. The narrower we can make it the easier time the prop and engine has at providing thrust to keep the aircraft flying. If it was me I thin’ I’d go for the Diamond, and I’d love to fly either one! I just need a pilots certificate!
love the DA
I like how you compared the two great vid. Is there anyone out there that can give or can you do the pros and cons between the Panthera and the Sling TSI?
What’s the fuel burn to get the 190kts on the pip?
And what was the cruise on the diamond to get the 750nm range? I noticed the pip “only” does 155kts to get the 1000nm range.
Why, are you buying one? ;)
the DA-50 looks like more of a powerhouse which is a plus in my book
it also costs 1.1 mill
chinese company.. not a plus in my book
My dear could you compare the TTx and the Cirrus please
The panthera is for me the better choice..I love the way the diamond looks....but the panthera has more speed and higher ceiling and farther range...
The only advantage the DA-50 has I care about is the diesel engine... a Panthera with a Continental CD-265 would be awesome.
Given the fact that the Pipistrel is naturally aspirated, it's not going to do well at all at FL250. DA50 has a higher useful load, more room and only a 10 knot deficit. It's an easy winner.
Exactly my thoughts as well. DA50 looks like modern muscle car, so tuff. But the speed / efficiency / safety of the Panthera ...operating cost, Pipistrel wins. Still a hard choice between the two though !
Not better range with full passenger load. Diamond can fill the seats and tanks. And used so little fuel
@@Incipientspin it’s not a ten knot deficit the max cruise for the DA 50 is 181, but the panthers can easily get to 194
Can you do a cirrus sr22vs any of these two?
FYI the real reason for the cirrus parachute is the spin quality or lack there of
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Specs of the DA 50 with the other two engine options?
Video suggestion. Would love to see an eclipse compared to a mustang,,or better take us into the hopeful future & do a comparison of a stratos jet & a eclipse 700
I think the good looking one
Either will be fine, thank you.
Thanks you covered nearly every topic I was interested in, now can you cover my bank account?
DA50 or 40 my choice, more useful load with 5 place and cargo, jet-A is much cheaper than avgas, and less of it at ~8GPH at cruse.
However both are beautiful birds.
The livery on the DA50 is out of this world.
I agree!
Livery designed by Kirk Smith. th-cam.com/video/wCOnpTXE_vw/w-d-xo.html
Compare the DA50 to a Cirrus RS22 Turbo?
If one of them can perform at least some very basic aerobatics, I will definitely opt for that one, but as there are currently looking and having in mind the prices, I am preferring a Zlin 143 or a second hand Beech E33B Bonanza, that is certified for aerobatics...
I would go with a Yak 18T. Aerobatic, many updated with modern instruments and electrical systems and long range tanks. About the same speed as a Cessna 182. Huge interior space. Rugged as hell. Moderate cost - one for sale on trade-a-plane at $105,000.
I would like to fly one of these
Same!
Great videos. Pricing seems to low relative to market quotes.
Brasil e América Latina precisam de aviões leves com combustível Jet A-1 devido alto preço da gasolina de aviação em nosso País. Por que a Diamond não utilizou no DA 50 o mesmo motor do DA 62 ?
Não poderia ter também um paraquedas balísticos?
Is it true that Continental diesel can not be rebuilt after maximum hours and should be replaced with new unlike av. gas engines?
There is no certified process for rebuild. That said, there might be one developed before most engines start hitting those marks. Much of what can/cannot be done on a plane is less about engineering, and more about documenting the process and certifying the results. So the engine might be perfectly fine to rebuild, but it cannot be done until it gets an approved process (including certified parts, etc.).
RV10 or Lancair IV and still have nearly $500,000 left over to spend
RV14 instead ?
The Diamond is my choice until the Pipistrel gets a Jet-A option.
jet a da future. everyone's planes will be useless when they ban low lead
Panthera has mogas (automotive gas) option due to its engine
@@ismaildemirhan224 Not like you can load it with gas cans from your local station. Mogas is a special blend, certified, expensive and almost unavailable. I live in a major eastern metro area, and the nearest Mogas is more than 200 miles in any direction. And it is expensive.
@@FamilyManMoving didn't know that 🙄
@@ismaildemirhan224 And I wouldn't know I hadn't been learning to help purchase a plane.
Your two options in the US are 100LL and Jet-A - but if we are honest we will admit leaded fuel is probably getting banned in the next decade. The unleaded replacement is proprietary (read: expensive) and for now not made or distributed in any measurable quantity. And the chances it will be exported are slim to none. There are licensing issues with refineries. So, future 100UL replacements still need to be developed.
Anyone buying a new plane has to give serious attention to the fuel issue. This is where inertia is going to kill GA - engine makers are using ancient designs based on leaded fuels and haven't put effort into new tech. Diamond is having some issues with their entry, but they'll get sorted out. I don't like "TBR", but again expect they will sort through that, eventually.
I honestly think Jet-A is the only way to go if you are buying something for the next decade.
Belle comparaison et objective
L'un comme l'autre m'a séduit et je fermerai les yeux en faisant le choix
Yes I want the diamond for rang and setting and weight capacity
You prefer the lower range and performance of the diamond over the panthera? 1000 nm vs 750 nm (4:45)?
@@barking.dog.productions1777 LOL that's what I was thinking.
Need a straight across comparison. need to know fuel burn at say... 155knts at 8,000 ft or at 75% power at 10,000 feet for each.
Both are beautiful birds. It is inconceivable to me that a modern plane at these price points do not offer a side/traditional yoke. Deal breaker with a wife that flys with.
Barf. Why would price point have anything to do with control location? #centerstickmasterrace
@@Rocketpax It's called free.market competition you dingbat, you know when you compare models.....did I type that slow enough for you? Center sticks are crude and antiquated; intrusive on longer flights. A DEAL BREAKER with a wife that flys with.
@@allenking7532 so your answer to how control location and price correlation is some arbitrary free market nonsense answer? Dingbat, right.
Seems to me if the latest in fighter jets can have a center stick, that's good enough for me. Maybe you need new wife if her biggest complaint is a stick between her legs.
@@Rocketpax also fyi if you like the da 50 then you can fully remove the center stick.
Did you mention cost of ownership?
Panthera all the way. It is faster and outperforms the Diamond. Also the Panthera has the "Caps" rocket parachute system for extra safety. Price for the Panthera is about $675,000 through Right Rudder aviation in Florida.
Diamond can fill all seats and all fuel and the Panthers outperforms it? Plus the diamonds cabin can withstand 25g crash. It’s a formula 1 cockpit.
@@thezeek2745 phantera can travel 1100 miles with 4 people
Diamond and cirrus cant do that
@@MonicaHolly143 Hi is the Pipistrel pressureized? What is the learning transiition from Cirrius?
Neither plane can compete with the Cirrus SR22T. Even the cheaper Panthera, why? Because it has retractable gear. Pipistrel also just went bankrupt and got bought by Textron. There are a number of lawsuits agains Pipistrel from their dealers.
@@thezeek2745 so what that’s not gonna help you when your flying at night and your aileron cable broke.
Diamond Aircraft are best known for their cockpit visibility, that's the winning factor for me.
Yeah the Panthera won't let you look forward down much. Might be a problem when you land on short Runways. But the Side View looks better. Panthera also looks a bit cramped inside.
When trying to sell a single engined GA aircraft, a ballistic parachute system is a huge selling point. Hence why the Cirrus SR22 series has been very successful.
A chute is a selling point but not being able to recover from a spin is a huge deal breaker then having to have a parachute because the cirrus won’t recover from a spin is a deal breaker in just about anybody’s eyes when they realize why the cirrus HAS to have a parachute for that exact reason . Cirrus has to be the most over rated aircraft. Those planes are actually not that great if you really look into them .
It’s like comparing an A36 Bonanza with a Mooney Ovation. The Panthera is fast, looks sleek but won’t catty a whole lot. That $450k price won’t hold if it becomes certified in the USA. The Diamond is basically a 5 seat touring motor glider with that wingspan. It’s very frugal but it’s small tanks hold it’s range back. Bigger tanks will minimize passenger load you can carry but most people fly these planes with just one or two people on board. Cool basic review, not so much a compare. There’s not much innovation coming out of Wichita these days so watching the Europeans do their thing is exiting. When I flew Diamond and Dimona touring motor gliders 30 years ago I wondered when they would design four seater versions.
Good points, but I'll add that the range on either of these will exceed the bladders of the average family of four. I think our record is 4 hours before one of us had to go pee. Six hour endurance in a 4-seater is all I'd plan for.
To your point on comparisons and price: agreed. I don't like these comparisons much because it's always "Certified versus Experimental", which is disingenuous at best. Strongly suspect the Panthera - once certified - will sell for more than a DA-50 out of the gate. The price will reflect pent-up demand, and a desire to recoup all the money spent getting FAA type cert. And yes, I am in the market, so these are more than arm-chair prognostications.
at 2:56 are they wearing parachutes? lol Instills confidence in the Airframe ;)
That’s for weak pilots and the chute isn’t really available when it’s really needed down low
Pipistrel Panthera needs a proper windshield. It's hard for pilots to see the runway over the hood; imagine you have to land your plane by looking through a roof window. Would it ever get certified?
The AOPA video said the certified Panthera will be $800k but I still want it more than I want my dog... oh my goodness, what a plane!
Add 50% to that, minimum.
Love the look of the diamond, it has better visibility as well..
the panthera has a ballistic parachute, better range, at a higher speed, probably for a better price
The diamond has a great fuel burn rate though, and it’s on jetA which is a double bonus
I do like diamond as a company, not as familiar with manufacture of panthera
Good comparison , still not sure where I’d spend my 2/3 of a million bucks
Oh wait I’m broke, so it doesn’t matter
The price difference is even more drastic now that we know how much the DA50 costs. Panthera is around $700K USD, where the DA50 is somewhere over $1M. I wish they would have gone the jet-a route with the panthera rather than mogas, its difficult to find here in the states, whereas jet-a is everywhere.
I've flown the DA20 and DA40, both fantastic planes. I'm sure the DA50 is no difference. But that price is something else.
Wonderful video! But am I the only one, who thinks 6 ads are a little bit much for a 8 min video?
must be your TH-cam playback I saw 1 ad
It's a tough choice, so I'll just buy both of them.
The "Pip " is a prettier ship :)
The Panthera has demonstrated the ability to spin 10 straight times at max weight, full passenger compliment and recover on command... I don't care who you are that is amazing!
Can you please explain what you said with more detail? New to the aviation world. What does spin 10 times mean
@@k3iler05 certainly! I'm a Certified Flight Instructor in Single and Multi-Engine aircraft and I teach Instrument rating students. A spin, or more accurately a "stall spin", is a top killer of General Aviation pilots all over the world. The most popular modern GA aircraft in the world (or at least the US), the Cirrus SR-22 has *YET* to recover from one without the aid of a ballistic parachute. A spin occurs when the airplane stalls both wings while uncoordinated and one wing is stalled more than the other one. The plane will spin around the wing that is more stalled until you recover or you slam into the ground. A normal stall recovery is to lower the nose to decrease the angle at which your wing encounters the oncoming wind (angle of attack) and to add full power to get more wind over the wings. However a stall spin is different, because if you do that the plane will not only stay in the spin, but accelerate faster in the spin. This is because the engine pulls the upper wing around the turn and gives it slightly more lift, the wing on the inside is at a much higher angle of attack and is pulled backwards as the upper wing is drawn forwards. If you roll the wings away from the inside of the turn you only reverse the direction of the spin. So how does one recover from a stall spin?! There are 4 steps and pilots use the acronym PARE to remember them. P: power to idle. This is done to keep the propeller from pulling the upper wing forward and to keep the falling speed at terminal velocity. A: ailerons neutral. This is done to get both wings to have the same lifting potential. R: rudder opposite the spin. This is the proper way to stop the rotation in a spin without reversing the direction of the spin. E: elevator/stabilator forward *ONLY* enough to break the stall and once directional control is reacquired nose up gently until you are at a safe speed (generally Vno, or Va, max structural cruising speed or maneuvering speed) before you reapply power to arrest any descent. Many planes can recover from the 1st or even 2nd spin, but after the 3rd or 4th spin many planes are stuck especially if they are loaded with an aft center of gravity. However it takes a particularly disciplined pilot to run through that procedure and then point the nose at the ground after a spin has been induced. The reason that GA pilots often spin into the ground is because they have royally screwed up something in the departure, pattern, or landing portions of flight usually. Most often pilots are turning base to final and the crosswind is pushing their aircraft off to the side to the point where the pilot should probably go-around and try the approach again. However pride kicks in and the pilot tries to coax their plane to turn tighter so they can save the approach and avoid the go-around. The planes that are spin rated are either acrobatic planes or have particularly strict limits on how they are weighted and balanced. Usually limited to an instructor and a student often less than full tanks and even extra weight placed in front of the center of lift. So for the Panthera to recover _that_ quickly and weighted the way it was is astounding!
@@generalrendar7290 Wow! Thank you so much for explaining in such great detail! It is very interesting.
Right now flying for me is a dream, but I enjoy researching and knowing about random stuff (I like to be able to relate to people so hopefully if I meet a pilot I can talk about some stuff lol).
From the research I've done, it has made me realize that flying/owning a plane is doable. I'd say most people never think about it. If they do they probably just see the flashy jets haha.
I might go for a demo flight sometime in the future to see if it's for me. I would love to own that panthera one day (I was looking at the cirrus). From my limited knowledge and POV I'll probably spend a lot of time acquiring training, even after passing the PPL. My mission would be a cross country airplane that beats driving there.
If/when I go for it I'll probably have 3 airplanes in goal. A starter one to gain experience/hours. A panthera would be super cool and the dream one if skill and (especially budget) allows would be a TBM 940 or similar. I love how cool they look and how fast they are. Something affordable and cross country close to or a bit over 200kts would be amazing though.
Anyway, enough rambling. I appreciate your time sir. Thank you
@@generalrendar7290
I speak little English but your explain clear and easy for any one can understand what you explain. Good instructor
@@northdoha thank you! I appreciate the compliment.
What I am missing is the comparison of the quality. The workmanship of the Diamond DA50 Interieur is like a upper class BMW, the Pantera is different. It is another class. Look at them at the next show.
Da50 really does have this one for the simple fact it's running jet fuel. This stuff is available worldwide. If I were to ever try leaving Australia it's a hassle to organise special refuelling with avgas in anywhere that isn't the US, europe, and Australia. Diesel engines are a fantastic solution to a lot of problems.
Having said that, I'd like to fly a panthera. And if they maintain their price point advantage then they will be leagues ahead of diamond even if they struggle to lift much weight.
As one of my favorite airstrips to go into is 1900ft......... I wouldn't want either of them. Unless of course you use the BRS option.
Neither is STOL however you can land and takeoff if you don't have a 50' obstacle and not at full gross. landing ground roll is 1135 on Panthera The hybrid Panthera can takeoff with 950' of runway WITH 50' obstacle!
Both are great but main issue is the high price!
The Pipistrel goes higher farther faster and is less cost to acquire. Plus, it will cost you less to maintain. It’s not turbo charged therefore less to go wrong. I get that the diamond is more economical but overall it’s much less expensive to own the Panthera. Panthera can burn automotive fuel, should you require it.
Don’t forget the Pippa has a parachute. Just in case.
I thought the panthers was my #1 choice. After this I see the Diamond as the better choice by far.
I would stick to my old Ovation doing184 knots on It’s way from Kerrville tô Rio de Janeiro Brazil when I picked it up at the. Mooney factory
me Ovation
Nice, but wow are these expensive.
If you could get the diamond VA to perform like the Pantera you have a perfect plane
DA50 for me
Great video, awesome aeroplanes, the Panthera is going be better value for money, by a country mile, as, iirc, the Diamond will start at $1.1million. Both nice aeroplanes, both out of my league 🙄🙄😆😆
What's the final price of the Panthera after certification though? And a JetA1 engine burning half the fuel of the LL100 is definitely going to make a difference in variable costs 🤔
And you are an engineer in what discipline/s to endorse such an examination
I believe same price is around $700k with both aircrafts. Is that correct?
Starting price for Panthera is 547,000 Euro, so roughly $650,000 USD
Diamond will be 1MM+
What is price diamond ?
Lol rip off
@@emilianoarielmartine diamond starts ar 1.08 mill. With options it’s about 1.3 mill USD
Reminds me of comparing specs on Ferrari vs. Porsche, and we know which is actually better on the road.
Please do an Icon a5
I’ll start doing some research about it! Keep an eye out for it
DA50 FOR SURE
Is it ok that I want both?
Yes, at least for me. 'Normal' people would claim the opposite.
IMO, the White lightning from Nick Jones was the best 4 seat aircraft out there.
DA50 is a beautiful plane, but should it perform better? 750nm at presumably long range cruise isn’t very impressive, and the plane isn’t that fast to begin with. What’s the market for this?
The Da-50 market: Flying SUV for an affluent family of four. And maybe their dog. The range is not an issue because - as head of house for a family of four - I can promise that the range of the plane exceeds the range of our bladders. Our record on a long journey is 4 hours without stopping to pee. So yeah, not an issue for the intended audience.
@@FamilyManMoving You may be right but for most people spending this amount of money on a plane I would think the speed/range is an issue. To get that 4hr range how slow do you have to fly? Why even bother with retractable gear? If this plane CRUISED at 185 with a larger fuel tank and YES a chute (one need only look at the recent Avanti pilot incapacitation crash to see the value of a chute), then the market for this plane might be more wide open.
With the Diamond you are paying dearly for more room and reduced fuel flow.
@@oldsnwbrdr Definitely agree, plus I don't like the center stick. My standard travel would be 500 mile, and between homes is 950. From the Mid-Atlantic, to the South. In summer. That means afternoon storms, so leaving early AM is fine (we are early birds) but a little more performance would add a lot of margin.
I wish the entire Diamond family had three things: the option for more speed; something other than a center stick; a ballistic parachute. I've seen too many people saved by a parachute system to not want one ina modern flying family SUV. Thanks.
@marlintheaviator Hey there! I would love to chat with you more about Panthera. I am a sales representative for Panthera Americas and wanted to clarify some misinformation in this video. :)
For experimental - The Panthera is ONLY available as a factory-build experimental exhibition aircraft (no kit builds)
Certified will be available in 2022 and we are currently taking deposits for them
Price is more so starting at €490,000 (euro) for experimental
I heard that the closer you get to top speed that the aircraft becomes unstable due to the tail section being so thin. Is this true or just a bad rumor? Thanks
@@shikishabazz just a bad rumor! T-tails in general have that rumor generating, but it is definitely the more superior design. You see a lot of aircraft manufacturers transitioning to it and most jets have that design as well.
@@shikishabazz Bro, you can't trust a sales representative
I think the diamond is better looking but the Pip has the aerodynamic advantage.
After Pantera design DA like army hummer...!)
I’d choose the Diamond. Prefer the DA-62.
Above 10,000 feet you’ll need oxygen, or pressurized cabin. Which plane offers what?
Neither is pressurized.
diamond all the way ....please....
Yes the Pantera
But for the pan Tara price though
Definitely a good price!
Where the airplane is normally based determines the decision.
Where ever Avgas is not available the Diamonds win !
I’ll have a panthers when XRP hits 100 bucks
I bet the price said for the Pantherer was the kit price. Otherwise it would be cheaper than a 172. 😅
Diamond for roomy cabin, plenty of cargo. Both look good and fly faster than needed. But who can afford these luxury aircraft?
if panthera did came with the continental engines, I would say panthera but da 50 has a better performance and build quality.
Hard to choose.
Turns out the price of the DA50 is about twice of what you estimated. I'm not impressed. It's surprisingly heavy at 1440kg empty, close to double the weight of the Panthera. and 2½x the price. Never mind that a Lancair IV-P outclasses both by a very wide margin.
i would honestly buy the panthera looks like a the Bugatti of the skies compared to the DA-50
DA-50 has de-icing options, pantera doesn't. This in and of itself is the final word between which aircraft is for pilots and which is for "ramp appeal". Pantera is not a serious airplane except for very limited missions like the guy who can skim the water between the UK and denmark if needed.
This DA50 RG is soooo sexy!!!❤️
Both airplanes are purpose builds and are anything but sexy.
@@ernoovari8394 De gustibus non disputandum est👍
I’ll stay with the Diamond.
Pipistrel (even with petrol engine) demolishes Diamond in every single aspect.
How? There’s some aspects that the Panthera is better. However, the diamond has a lot of aspects that are wayyyy better than the Panthera. Things such as a more horsepower engine which allows the aircraft to hold a bigger weight which allows 5 people to sit in it then just 4.
@@alexbartusiak8144 Useful load and JetA are about the only advantages, I have no need to carry 5 people. If this were an important mission I wouldn't buy either one of these planes.
@@matthewjob9424 Interesting however I do not agree with the thing you said about those are the only advantages. Diamond burns only 9 gallons of fuel per hour however the Pipistrell burns 14. Secondly, Diamond aircraft have one of the most highest safety rankings for their piston engine planes. Another cool facts is that the Diamond is overall bigger in dimensions. It is more comfortable then the Panthera and has more luggage space. I also think that the Diamond is even more aero dynamic because of its winglets. However they are both really nice planes and they both deserve respect. P.S what did you mean when you said that you would not buy either of theses planes?
@@alexbartusiak8144yes fuel burn is less so is cruise speed. 9ga/hr @55% the Panthera is 10/hr 55% and 10kn faster. More comfortable? Not sure you can make that claim every video of the test rides seem to include a very comfortable ride . A What I meant by “I wouldn’t buy either” if carrying 5 people and baggage were important I wouldn’t look at either of these planes. To me the typical or primary mission would dictate the plane (and budget) if you place a heavy value on 5 passengers neither would be ideal. Both of these planes look great, the “safer” claim can’t be made when the Panthera is new. I’d rather have a parachute than a reinforced cockpit any day. Between these 2 it comes down to preference. They’re both beautiful and both outside my current budget for me I’m leaning towards the Panthera. You get the Diamond DA50 and we will both be very happy
@@matthewjob9424 What? If the mission involves carrying 5 people, then obviously that would be a plus for the DA50 vs the Panthera. I'm not sure what you're quibbling over. A plane doesn't have to be the absolute best 5-seater in order to have the advantage of seating 5.
Considering the DA50 RG is somewhere north of $1M USD, The Panthera is even better of a bargain. Thats not even counting the fact that its faster and has a longer range. Sure, the DA50 is a sexy aircraft. But I think they priced it out of most peoples reach. Most folks are going to be cross shopping the SR22, and now the Panthera, at that price.
You could practically buy 2 of these and still be under the price of the DA50.
Not really. One is type-certified in the US, and the other is experimental. Huge difference. The certified Panthera will be considerably more expensive than the experimental, and probably about the same price as the DA-50. That's if Textron even goes through the hassle to put it on market. They bought the company for the electric patents, not for another 4-seat piston airframe.
@@FamilyManMoving certification isn't going to triple the price from experimental. Even if it did, the Panthera has more going for it at that price range.
Textron is currently going a different path with certification and going through EASA first. That's expected to be completed by 2024. Afterwards they'll get the FAA certification by means of bilateral agreements.
I do agree that the Pantheras future is questionable. But based on the information we have today it is promising.
@@franklaszlo9227 I hope you are correct, because GA in the USA desperately needs new designs with modern technologies designed in from day one.
I based my estimate on previous planes that went from experimental to EASA to USA, and...Diamond is one of them! I think the DA50RG was originally scoped at $650K, but realistically goes for $1.1M right now.
The problem with bilateral agreements is that you cannot purchase one in the USA. That means - even after you ferry it - you'll need to (I believe) re-certificate in the USA (as experimental) and your logistical support is almost nil. No dealer means no service.
Could someone keep a Euro registration in the USA? I guess they could push it, but I don't think it's legit long-term (I am not an expert here).
My thought is if demand stays high, the Panthera will do a US certification, and Textron will try to recoup their costs with a high price. Keep in mind they sell "new" C172s for almost $800K, and those airframes were designed when Benjamin Franklin was flying kites in his backyard.
My overall opinion is we won't see it. Textron bought them for the patents in the electronic version, to be ready for short and regional package/logistics delivery in and between metro areas. Everyone thinks we'll be in electric GA planes in ten years. I think it more likely we'll see smaller commercial "flying delivery vans" powered by excited pixies. Probably automated between private Amazon airfields.
Hey, thanks for your thoughts. Great talking with smart people.
quick edit: I would not go for the DA50. I don't like the center stick, and it's too slow for the travel I'd do. Also would be nice to have a parachute. I've seen too many families saved by them. The most recent was the vision jet that got sucked into a huge Florida storm a few weeks back. Must have been like a washing machine in there when dad popped the chute. His wife and 8-year old walked away unscathed. That same storm killed a pilot when his DA-42 got picked up, flipped, and slammed upside down onto the taxiway while holding short. Same storm. Not knocking Diamond there - no way you can plan for that. Just pointing out how bad Southern storms can get, in no time at all. I flew in Florida - about 200 miles north of there - that same day, and after hearing both stories started looking at planes with BRS systems.
@@FamilyManMoving you're not wrong. All we can do is is sit here and hope for the best!
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