Like many I'd prefer to ride outdoors, and in the past I had no use for riding indoors... however I got a smart trainer last year and it has been a fantastic addition, given most of my free time to ride happens in the dark hours of the day. I prefer the trainer as options are far less expensive and I like that I get to ride the bike I will take to races.
Hi Alex, one thing I’m missing in this kind of video is why I’d choose a bike vs a trainer I can put my bike on. Would be great if this kind of things could be included in future videos to further support people on the market for new indoor training solutions
Really, it's just the convenience of not having to put a bike on and off the trainer and reduced wear on the bike. A side benefit of not having a dirty/greasy/waxy item in your living space. I keep one bike on the trainer in the summer, and then switch in the fall to put my "good" bike on the trainer and use the trainer bike for the occasional outdoor ride.
I had a Tacx Neo and now have a Tacx Neo Bike. I did not like the inconvenience of needing to take my bike on and off the trainer. Also, due to how the screw was done with my rear derailer mount I wound up needing to replace it from the extra wear of going on and off the trainer. For me, I find that I am better about using the trainer the lower the barrier of entry to its use is. So, having the bike always more or less ready to use (rather than having to take on and off my bike from a trainer) means I use the trainer a LOT more than I used to (and am now more consistent in working out and training). Granted, this is all very much a luxury that I can afford to do this. But, this is my reasoning for having the bike vs trainer.
I've tried a few moving trainers and I totally despise them😂 *My long loved Seven has over 200k road miles on it. It's on lifetime trainer duty now because I can't part with it
@@gcntech The price tag is steep and I‘m on Elite up to now. I‘d love to try them out somewhere. Not sure if movement front/back or to the sides is what helps more.
@@kimhoffmannandersen5477nice one. Certainly nobody I know trains every day, and certainly not doing structured training in icy or snowy conditions. Well done to you 👍
I rode outside every day living in Mikwaukee, WI. Even when it was -40F. I saw guys nearly twice my age doing the same thing. You're not as tough as you think you are😂
The turbo really does open up to a full year of good quality training 🙌 It's not all about weather though, the ability to fit in workouts within a busy life is super important!
@@gcntechyeah that’s why I use mine, I live in unfortunate American city, so it takes me 30 minutes to ride someplace where I can actually pedal for more than 3 minutes without a traffic light. I would prefer to ride outdoors, but time def my limiting factor
Thanks for adding in that Kickr shift does not have race mode, you are first reviewer to mention it. I’ve been scouring the product details to find out. That would have been awesome!! I’m on a zwift team and my 6 year old tacx flux trainer is not good enough accuracy for some of our races & in the last month I’ve had 5 dropouts during races!! Which is defeating after training & recons. So I think I’m going for the Shift to save daily wear on my outdoor bike.
I'd certainly like some sort of indoor option, given that we're getting close to winter, Wahoo are obviously pushing these a lot cos I got an email from Tredz about them both earlier too! The move is more than double the cost of my bike though, so just a little bit out of my current price range....
The move groove does the sam as the motion plates which Tacx brought out a year ago for the Neo 2T. I didn't like it as it makes sprinting awkward. Thankfully, the motion plates can be easily removed for certain sessions or permanently.
So hopefully there is still room for the rocker plate collection from Turborocks. Great range and if you already have a trainer you can get full movement (even more actually) for a fraction of the cost. #turborocks
Does Conor fit on the bike? I'm only slightly taller, with my saddle height usually at 89cm. Figured he's the best one to ask if this beautiful machine works for those of us who live with our heads in the clouds. Thanks in advance.
I've been curious about power rollers. More, I've been curious why Kreitler has not offered a power option to add to their existing rollers, but to that end I've been wondering what is currently on the market for rollers that have adjustable resistance for virtual riding. If I could convert my Kreitlers I would definitely be in the indoor bike camp.
Even the rollers with dummy resistance sucks. I don't see smart rollers changing that. I have a Kickr and Kreitlers and only use the rollers for a recovery day or high cadence work where power doesn't matter. I hated the resistance setup for the rollers and don't use it
The feet on the side legs are rubber, and shaped so the flex provides some movement. IIRC, there are three different feet options so you can choose how much resistance they provide based on your weight and how easily you want the bike to sway. It's the same as previous versions of the Kickr.
I'm brand new to this entire world of cycling and indoor trainers, but I want to add it to my training. You mentioned this model doesn't have "indoor racing". What are you referring to? I'm also trying to get up to speed on the whole Zwift thing and plan to use it with my indoor cycling, so this model won't allow me to join a race if I get to the point where I want to race?
by indoor racing it is almost always meant races that happen on zwift. There are categories like cat c / cat b / cat a but I find that people who are usually to good for cat c for instance join the races and win easily for ego boost. But nonetheless categories make it fun for beginners as well. No you can basically join a race on zwift with any smart trainer whatever the brand or model.
Wahoo: "..We supplied it with an 11 speed cassette, but we reckon by 2024, everyone will be on12 speed..." Me: *still screeching like a banchee, because I only speak Ultegra 10 speed mechanical* 😭😭😭😂
It probably makes sense with the 105 groupset now being 12 speed, and the Kickr probably costing more than any Tiagra-equipped bike. The dozens of us sticking with older groupsets can buy the second-hand Kickrs that are available when everyone on the newest bikes upgrade their whole setup 😝
Aha...so thats where "Alex " is ! Hanging about to the left of "AI -lex"..the Paleo diet obviously worked ! And ..I wish I could afford many of the things you feature, however , reality is a harsh mistress ! Insanity ....
If you get out of the saddle up a hill, the bike dances under you, it is not that “silly”. In the end, they allow you to lock it if you really like the solid wall feel
It's definitely different, and sometimes a little weird compared to the normal movement riding outside, but an understandable technical limitation when you have to keep your axle fixed to the resistance unit. I'm more interested in it as a way to increase comfort while using the trainer than a simulation of outside riding, but the Move isn't a worthwhile upgrade for me from an older Kickr
Would you prefer to use a turbo trainer or an indoor bike? 🤔
Like many I'd prefer to ride outdoors, and in the past I had no use for riding indoors... however I got a smart trainer last year and it has been a fantastic addition, given most of my free time to ride happens in the dark hours of the day. I prefer the trainer as options are far less expensive and I like that I get to ride the bike I will take to races.
Trainer for sure. Outdoors is great but if you’re serious about training then indoors wins hands down for consistency 365 days a year
I normally love the content but I hate commercials.
The space requirement and extra cost of an indoor bike make it completely impractical for me
Trainer. I have a bike.
Hi Alex, one thing I’m missing in this kind of video is why I’d choose a bike vs a trainer I can put my bike on. Would be great if this kind of things could be included in future videos to further support people on the market for new indoor training solutions
Really, it's just the convenience of not having to put a bike on and off the trainer and reduced wear on the bike. A side benefit of not having a dirty/greasy/waxy item in your living space. I keep one bike on the trainer in the summer, and then switch in the fall to put my "good" bike on the trainer and use the trainer bike for the occasional outdoor ride.
I have a very small home and putting a bike on the trainer means I can put the trainer away tucked in a corner when done for the day.
I had a Tacx Neo and now have a Tacx Neo Bike.
I did not like the inconvenience of needing to take my bike on and off the trainer. Also, due to how the screw was done with my rear derailer mount I wound up needing to replace it from the extra wear of going on and off the trainer.
For me, I find that I am better about using the trainer the lower the barrier of entry to its use is. So, having the bike always more or less ready to use (rather than having to take on and off my bike from a trainer) means I use the trainer a LOT more than I used to (and am now more consistent in working out and training).
Granted, this is all very much a luxury that I can afford to do this.
But, this is my reasoning for having the bike vs trainer.
Even though it has other nice features, somehow I like more the fact that you don’t need to faff with the front wheel spacer
My setup is still a kicker snap and a 90’s steel bike. It gets the job done but it’s definitely fun to window shop
Hey! I got the same setup. Bar end friction shifters on an 80's Bridgestone
I've tried a few moving trainers and I totally despise them😂 *My long loved Seven has over 200k road miles on it. It's on lifetime trainer duty now because I can't part with it
Nothing wrong with A kickersnap! Do you think you would ever make the jump to direct drive?
@@gcntech probably not, I like the convenience of the Snap and 'if it's not broken, don't fix it'
Good update that hopefully make longer indoor rides easier to handle. I‘m feeling the indoor riding in the hips a lot more than outside.
Will you be picking up the new Wahoo? It could be just the tool you're looking for!
@@gcntech The price tag is steep and I‘m on Elite up to now. I‘d love to try them out somewhere. Not sure if movement front/back or to the sides is what helps more.
I can make a DYI Linear Roller for my Trainer if i wanted too. Easy to install, only woods and bearing then the job is done.
Hard to do smart training on that though 👀
The kicker move looks like very interesting for the winter season ❄️❄️❄️.
I'll make myself a DIY Version of this.
Turbo training in winter is an absolute fitness savour! 🙌
Everyone I know who says “just ride outside”, never actually rides outside in all weathers. Meanwhile I’m training 52 week a year
@@kimhoffmannandersen5477nice one. Certainly nobody I know trains every day, and certainly not doing structured training in icy or snowy conditions. Well done to you 👍
I rode outside every day living in Mikwaukee, WI. Even when it was -40F. I saw guys nearly twice my age doing the same thing. You're not as tough as you think you are😂
The turbo really does open up to a full year of good quality training 🙌 It's not all about weather though, the ability to fit in workouts within a busy life is super important!
@@gcntechyeah that’s why I use mine, I live in unfortunate American city, so it takes me 30 minutes to ride someplace where I can actually pedal for more than 3 minutes without a traffic light. I would prefer to ride outdoors, but time def my limiting factor
I stopped riding in the winter after my 3rd crash on ice.
Both sound good for winter usage as well as usage in urban environment where you need a lot of time to get on open roads. What’s quieter?
Thanks for adding in that Kickr shift does not have race mode, you are first reviewer to mention it. I’ve been scouring the product details to find out. That would have been awesome!!
I’m on a zwift team and my 6 year old tacx flux trainer is not good enough accuracy for some of our races & in the last month I’ve had 5 dropouts during races!! Which is defeating after training & recons. So I think I’m going for the Shift to save daily wear on my outdoor bike.
Setting for wheel size? What about with wider tires? Will bike now be tilted up at the front?
Nice overview of two Wahoo products. Would like a 90 day follow up when several people have used them.
I'd certainly like some sort of indoor option, given that we're getting close to winter, Wahoo are obviously pushing these a lot cos I got an email from Tredz about them both earlier too! The move is more than double the cost of my bike though, so just a little bit out of my current price range....
I have excessive amounts of bikes and associated toys. I wouldn't want this in equal trade for the Kickr I have now. I hate trainers that move
How about looking at Wahoo's other more affordable options! The kickr perhaps 👉th-cam.com/video/58BJkNMpX9Y/w-d-xo.htmlsi=9lcXh5LfHGdxFgXn
I've watched 3 ads or reviews for this thing today and still no-one has explained why you'd want your trainer to move. I still don't now WHY.
The move groove does the sam as the motion plates which Tacx brought out a year ago for the Neo 2T. I didn't like it as it makes sprinting awkward. Thankfully, the motion plates can be easily removed for certain sessions or permanently.
Front wheel block without a climb would stop the movement, wouldn't it?
So hopefully there is still room for the rocker plate collection from Turborocks. Great range and if you already have a trainer you can get full movement (even more actually) for a fraction of the cost. #turborocks
great company ...
Does Conor fit on the bike? I'm only slightly taller, with my saddle height usually at 89cm. Figured he's the best one to ask if this beautiful machine works for those of us who live with our heads in the clouds. Thanks in advance.
So, they have invented a non- rigid trainer which I already used about 15 years ago with my Kurt-Kinetic.😮
I love mine!
Soon, i am going to post my cheap, compact, and no-nonsense indoor trainer rocker plate on GCN app.
That is a sick pain cave with someone dead in the corner. That takes serious riding!
I've been curious about power rollers. More, I've been curious why Kreitler has not offered a power option to add to their existing rollers, but to that end I've been wondering what is currently on the market for rollers that have adjustable resistance for virtual riding. If I could convert my Kreitlers I would definitely be in the indoor bike camp.
Even the rollers with dummy resistance sucks. I don't see smart rollers changing that. I have a Kickr and Kreitlers and only use the rollers for a recovery day or high cadence work where power doesn't matter. I hated the resistance setup for the rollers and don't use it
What is it about a direct drive trainer that you don't like?
Have you tried Google? Both Elite and Inside Ride have highly regarded power rollers.
Sorry but how does the frist unit move "side to side" as mentioned in intro?? I see back and forth but not side to side.....?
I'd like to know as well. Does it tilt/ lean?
The feet on the side legs are rubber, and shaped so the flex provides some movement. IIRC, there are three different feet options so you can choose how much resistance they provide based on your weight and how easily you want the bike to sway. It's the same as previous versions of the Kickr.
I'm brand new to this entire world of cycling and indoor trainers, but I want to add it to my training. You mentioned this model doesn't have "indoor racing". What are you referring to? I'm also trying to get up to speed on the whole Zwift thing and plan to use it with my indoor cycling, so this model won't allow me to join a race if I get to the point where I want to race?
by indoor racing it is almost always meant races that happen on zwift. There are categories like cat c / cat b / cat a but I find that people who are usually to good for cat c for instance join the races and win easily for ego boost. But nonetheless categories make it fun for beginners as well. No you can basically join a race on zwift with any smart trainer whatever the brand or model.
Wahoo: "..We supplied it with an 11 speed cassette, but we reckon by 2024, everyone will be on12 speed..."
Me: *still screeching like a banchee, because I only speak Ultegra 10 speed mechanical*
😭😭😭😂
It probably makes sense with the 105 groupset now being 12 speed, and the Kickr probably costing more than any Tiagra-equipped bike.
The dozens of us sticking with older groupsets can buy the second-hand Kickrs that are available when everyone on the newest bikes upgrade their whole setup 😝
It will be backwards compatible with 10-speed -you'll just have to supply your own cassette.
Nothing wrong with 10 speed 🙌 You'll still be able to use the turbo, you'll just have to swap the cassette out.
Should just provide an option when ordering instead of one size fits all.
Me buying a 10 speed cassette today 😅
Great the climb and desk have not been factored in. I’ll wait till they come out with the Wahoo rear wheel😂
Ollie in the back corner didn't look too impressed
I just want to know is worth having over kickr 6v
It's a great upgrade 🙌
Какие размеры с коробкой?
Problem is, that it is the greater sideways movements, which is lacking and causing discomfort - and why people make their own rocker plates.
Have you guys announced the winners yet 🥶 would love me self one of these bad boys
both look really nice, just way to expensive
looks like a SunRace cassette no?
too expensive
Waste of money I’ll keep my original kickr
Aha...so thats where "Alex " is ! Hanging about to the left of "AI -lex"..the Paleo diet obviously worked ! And ..I wish I could afford many of the things you feature, however , reality is a harsh mistress ! Insanity ....
Hi everyone. Sepp Kuss will win La Vuelta.
BIG claim! Would be super cool to see! 👀 How about the bike he's using, what do you make of that?
These wobbly things are so silly and do not simulate actual movement from riding outside. You don't wobble back and forth on a bike....
If you get out of the saddle up a hill, the bike dances under you, it is not that “silly”.
In the end, they allow you to lock it if you really like the solid wall feel
It's definitely different, and sometimes a little weird compared to the normal movement riding outside, but an understandable technical limitation when you have to keep your axle fixed to the resistance unit. I'm more interested in it as a way to increase comfort while using the trainer than a simulation of outside riding, but the Move isn't a worthwhile upgrade for me from an older Kickr
Okayge
Firsttttt
An ad disguised as a review.
It clearly says AD in the thumbnail. Well done for trying to police the internet but your assistance is not required
We don't do reviews on GCN
Or you can just buy a new bike and solve all these “problems” at once.
What problems?
欲しいけど49万は高いなぁ 一年くらい待とう