If you use Mask of Bakris with this roll it lets you 3-tap all resiliences it's kind of nutty! (Reaper + 2x arc surge then lets you keep it going for longer after you get a kill)
Is there any reason for 180s to have such little handling? I feel like they could def juice the handling on 180s across the board, like up to 60s and 70s instead of 20s and 30s. They still wouldn’t be great but at least not feel so slow to use
@@Efsneonheartsif they increase to 200 rpm, they’d have to do a bit less damage tho so they don’t get such fast TTKs just from radiant and similar damage sources. 3 taps at 200 rpm would be very fast
@BuffGenji if they increase it to 200 rpm. It will just be a faster 4 tap. They are experimenting with damage perks right now, so as they stated previously they might put magnificent howl on a 180 soon as well. It all depends on how the archetype is treated. Which in that sense it definitely needs buffs and some changes
I personally wanna see Jake, Frost, and zk. I thought I was gonna see the trio again on the very first trials of the new dlc but the opportunity is long gone, I hope they don't have any beef or anything.
Thats a glitch we use it on pve alote the npc only target to your head so if half or more than half of your head its glitch in a wall theres no hit box to hit
One thing i find extremely comical about the hate that 180s recieve in pvp is that if you were around during the Not Forgotten/ Luna's Howl days before the chage to their rpm as well as the Magnificent Howl perk rework 180s were top tier meta choice and those 2 specifically legit just made the game feel like pve while u were in pvp it was such a problem they changed the guns rpm completely on top of when they un did sunsetting and brough Lunas howl back they changed the perk because it was too strong ive always loved 180s just gotta learn how to use them and i committed to that back in those days and still dont understand why the hate for them is still so normal
My old service rovolver with outlaw & rampage three-taps pretty consistantly. you need that rampage to proc to get the tier 5 res 3-tap, but that is pretty doable.
Hey Frosty did you ever play Taken King back in the day? I recognize your voice you were with a buddy and told me you guys were trying to do something in that area in the Dreadnought where you gotta collect the worm dust then jump on the invisible places to get the chest.
@@groovydolph yeah I've got a few of these guns, it's my favorite 180 HC explosive payload/ ensemble and a shoot to loot headstone and another encore also with explosive payload lol I just kept buying the good ones from banshee. I believe my first one came from dares tho and don't sleep on adagio with 180 HC. That perk isn't that good on most weapons but for hand cannons it's good cause we're used to 140's and instead of a 4 tap it turns into a 3 which makes it feel much more dominant in any gun fight.
Its funny as someone who whole heartedly enjoys 180 rpm hand canons this one is very good in pve but i still prefer my rapid hit kill xlip survivors epitaph for pvp i land 3 taps far more often w it than i do w my sightl8ne survey but i will need to try it again as i still need 1 more red border before i can craft it
Yo if Bungie is okay with Sightline three tapping like this, then they need to make Not Forgotten a 180 again and replace Mag Howl on it with Precision Instrument. I miss my vanilly Not Forgotten, mang!
I mean on eventide with a 70 range slide shot rose I had full dmg falloff and the other guy got a 4tap on me because I knew he had a 180 and I was like yeah, I’m just gunna ape his team mates nearby who are in a 2v2 since I’m going away from him and he has a 180 hc. But nah….. I rewatched the clip and I took no dmg from anything else and only left cover once I had full health.
Bungie is never going to make unique and fun weapons when D2 CCs hype up every “new” hand cannon they put out. This thing will be forgotten in no time at all.
This is one of those cases where irony hits hard. Frost said that this is the ONLY 180 with keep away and i am just pointing that out. Way over your head back at you.
@rickiboulter3053 You're either new to the game, at a low skill bracket on console, or are trolling and it's hard to tell which because 140s are better in every capacity
Seems decent!! But no matter what weapon u use in trials.. the Kovhostov still wins the encounter sadly enough. Every time bingie comes out with an update or new gun, it's so damn unbalanced and overpowered. Annoying.
@@RagnaRebellion yea because I just see everyone running 5> resilience, instead of getting either a kill with the gun, a melee kill if any kind, or a grenade kill of any kind for a 3 tap. Brains please, use
Frost nooooooo. I know some people have made videos on it already but I love this gun and it’s been kind of staying under the radar so far and after this I’m afraid people are going to start running this a lot more.
Yes, yes it's an awesome 180rpm. My biggest problem with it though? It's not a 120rpm 😭😭😭 I was really hoping we were gunna get a top tier 120rpm after Igneous was removed from Trials. Add a Craftable 120 with jacked stats that only get better the more you use it! Although we do have Echoes 2 & 3 to come so maybe!!?!
word of crota (adept) can get 96 range with an adept mod and killing wind active, which on d2foundry is nearly 39m
Posterity doesn't get or need the adept mod and reaches 94 range or 38.5m
Sightline Survey can get 89 range with killing wind getting it to only 36m and with keep away it goes down to 35m at 81 range
True but killing wind activates after a kill. This 180 has a range perk active to help you in combat within that moment for 1v1s
If you use Mask of Bakris with this roll it lets you 3-tap all resiliences it's kind of nutty!
(Reaper + 2x arc surge then lets you keep it going for longer after you get a kill)
Nastyyyy, may have to try this
I really like that shader! These vex guns take shaders really well
Is there any reason for 180s to have such little handling? I feel like they could def juice the handling on 180s across the board, like up to 60s and 70s instead of 20s and 30s. They still wouldn’t be great but at least not feel so slow to use
180s are a power crept relic of old destiny that Bungie has forgotten about unfortunately
@ned9542 they need a rpm change and a range/handling increase
@@Efsneonhearts 100% agreed
@@Efsneonheartsif they increase to 200 rpm, they’d have to do a bit less damage tho so they don’t get such fast TTKs just from radiant and similar damage sources. 3 taps at 200 rpm would be very fast
@BuffGenji if they increase it to 200 rpm. It will just be a faster 4 tap. They are experimenting with damage perks right now, so as they stated previously they might put magnificent howl on a 180 soon as well. It all depends on how the archetype is treated. Which in that sense it definitely needs buffs and some changes
bro the “EH STOP IT” had me in tears. pinche abuelito
Frost do more trials with Jake and Aztecoss, you three make a fun and enjoyable team to watch in trials
Gluckgluckgluck
@@jatochgaatjeniksaan3307 Are you choking on something?
@@drakker5482 no but buddy sure was. The tripple dribble special
@@jatochgaatjeniksaan3307Bro all your comments are negative, just because you can't enjoy anything doesn't mean you have to bring others down 💀
I personally wanna see Jake, Frost, and zk. I thought I was gonna see the trio again on the very first trials of the new dlc but the opportunity is long gone, I hope they don't have any beef or anything.
I love Frontier's Cry a lot. I don't have a great roll with this yet, but it's easily my favorite sounding gun.
Does anyone remember service revolver?
I do. Still use mine with impact reserves.
Same
Still have mine with outlaw and kill clip but even with accurized and range MW it still has no range lol.
Thats a glitch we use it on pve alote the npc only target to your head so if half or more than half of your head its glitch in a wall theres no hit box to hit
Yup, I crafted mine last wk, with fragile/precision, it's definitely a legit 180.
If you using Storm Edge with Arc Weapon unFlinch aim, might be the best options to use, if only is 140 or 120 rpm
I love how when you stop firing, it low key sounds like a blaster from star wars.
One thing i find extremely comical about the hate that 180s recieve in pvp is that if you were around during the Not Forgotten/ Luna's Howl days before the chage to their rpm as well as the Magnificent Howl perk rework 180s were top tier meta choice and those 2 specifically legit just made the game feel like pve while u were in pvp it was such a problem they changed the guns rpm completely on top of when they un did sunsetting and brough Lunas howl back they changed the perk because it was too strong ive always loved 180s just gotta learn how to use them and i committed to that back in those days and still dont understand why the hate for them is still so normal
Survivors Epitaph has been out for over three years
💀
N it’s been shit for over 3 years too
Survivor’s Epitaph is slept on bro ngl
Look, as much as I like Survivor's Epitaph, it has nothing on this HC
Not even close or the same slot
Posterity would like to have a word with this guy
I have mained posterity for yrs in pvp. It's not even close between the 2 these this new thing is definitely better. I know
Definitely new ones better. It has insane range
posterity is PVE 180
posterity is just way worse lol
posterity is not good in pvp
I’m never going to Unsee the finger thing now
I kept a rapid hit, kill clip optative that I've been cooking with for this past week. If you kept one, try it out!
5:54 Come on editors, he handed that one to you
this thing is great in both pve and pvp, i'm glad that some of these episode weapons are good because they look so good and sound great too
My old service rovolver with outlaw & rampage three-taps pretty consistantly. you need that rampage to proc to get the tier 5 res 3-tap, but that is pretty doable.
What's the range like
@@BREAKocean Just did some testing and range is actually pretty decent. I don't think it has the range of a 140, but it's pretty close actually.
Haven’t had this much fun with a 180 since like the service revolver… 3ish years ago
Hey Frosty did you ever play Taken King back in the day? I recognize your voice you were with a buddy and told me you guys were trying to do something in that area in the Dreadnought where you gotta collect the worm dust then jump on the invisible places to get the chest.
Crafted one with Keep Away and EOTS and it's Great for PvP. Have to agree with you, the Best 180 for PvP.
I literally don’t think I’ve ever used a 180 in crucible, but if I get the pattern for this then I may try it
I’ve got one with precision instrument and the new To The Pain perk, it feels pretty good imo
Malfeasance sitting over here like the best I 5 tap any range 😂
This can three tap all resil with Bakris, right?
Where do you get that weapon? I got word of crota now i want this one
It’s from the new seasonal activity
I’m good with sidearms and kinda ass at hand cannons. This feels like the perfect in-between for me. This gun smokes.
keep away enhanced is also on the optative
First 180 to have keep away… optative exists
The Trust is definitely the best 180 imo but this one is pretty nice
No
My encore/ adagio valpecula would like a few words...
Vulpecula is still my fave meme weapon with explosive payload. The flinch is out of this world lmao.
@@groovydolph yeah I've got a few of these guns, it's my favorite 180 HC explosive payload/ ensemble and a shoot to loot headstone and another encore also with explosive payload lol I just kept buying the good ones from banshee. I believe my first one came from dares tho and don't sleep on adagio with 180 HC.
That perk isn't that good on most weapons but for hand cannons it's good cause we're used to 140's and instead of a 4 tap it turns into a 3 which makes it feel much more dominant in any gun fight.
now hold up, what about the lunas howl from last season
Its funny as someone who whole heartedly enjoys 180 rpm hand canons this one is very good in pve but i still prefer my rapid hit kill xlip survivors epitaph for pvp i land 3 taps far more often w it than i do w my sightl8ne survey but i will need to try it again as i still need 1 more red border before i can craft it
180 are my fav. Got it crafted first day and over 3500 kills already lol love this thing
Good video...but Malfeasance (with the catalyst) is definitely the best 180 hand cannon.
I would agree with this video, but trust exists. that thing might as well be a 140 with how good it is lmao
Favorite 180 in the game brah they like only 4 180's left in the game.
Can’t take a 180 seriously in PvP lol
You can use anything in random 6s
Yo if Bungie is okay with Sightline three tapping like this, then they need to make Not Forgotten a 180 again and replace Mag Howl on it with Precision Instrument. I miss my vanilly Not Forgotten, mang!
How could you forget not forgeten
That's exactly what this is
@@rickiboulter3053 old mag howl is definitely better
Nvm I just looked at it
“Davik estapit”hahaha crazyyyy bro.
Damn, this gun sounds kinda crazy.
I can picture many out of context clips from this video
Hoping to never hear frost say yummy yum yum again.
My guy said “I can use it and find success with it” like bruh you’re Frosty you can use anything 😂
I've been using this so much. It's actually great
my first game of trials i matched up with frostbolt and got smacked with this gun
Survivors Epitaph and Trust over there crying in the corner.
hey you should try khepris sting build
Radel ortiz meme made it to destiny, let’s goooo
"Davik! E stop eet!"
Literally got fragile focus precision instrument first drop
Kiil clip ins't better?
Bro forgot Optative with Keep Away
Correct me if I am wrong but…. I think this has more range than 140’s…. So can we buff 140’s range and 120’s please?
I mean on eventide with a 70 range slide shot rose I had full dmg falloff and the other guy got a 4tap on me because I knew he had a 180 and I was like yeah, I’m just gunna ape his team mates nearby who are in a 2v2 since I’m going away from him and he has a 180 hc. But nah….. I rewatched the clip and I took no dmg from anything else and only left cover once I had full health.
This does not have more range than 140s.
One I got had shot range tucked in pvp
Bungie is never going to make unique and fun weapons when D2 CCs hype up every “new” hand cannon they put out. This thing will be forgotten in no time at all.
Sights are cleean!!
For us normies I'd say not in trials or something but this roll is SOOOO fun in general. As you said, really crispy!
not gonna lie just crafted it it kinda slaps
Tbf frosty would be op with a pea shooter 😭
i still prefer my TRUST. Love the little guy
aldengeris made me buss
Optative has keep away that you can pair with a damage perk
Way over your head
This thing has 3tap potential in neutral. No kills required.
@@cogitoy7692 like I said. Way over this guy's head
This is one of those cases where irony hits hard. Frost said that this is the ONLY 180 with keep away and i am just pointing that out. Way over your head back at you.
I wounder sometimes. If I were to do what he did where he has low health or even show my face, I would get one tap.
i knew i was going to be in this video getting smacked up.
“I prefer top”
Fragile Focus / Encore
I want to use hawkmoon in crucible again hope bungie gets it fixed quick
Ngl Frost might be the most talented d2 pvp Hispanic player in the game rn wow
Meh
Too specific ... LMAO
@@xFluffyDevilx💀💀💀most talented hispanic d2 streamer whose name starts with an ‘i’ and ends with a ‘frostbolt’
@@afri2n im dead but he does have a separate spanish channel in the description
I liked the part where he yelled
People willing to use anything but sunshot in the energy because they can’t aim?
Poor Optative
whats a birb??????????
Still a 180 tho.
A 180 that practically better then every 140 in the game right now. 140s can't get a 0.57 ttk without trying.
@rickiboulter3053 You're either new to the game, at a low skill bracket on console, or are trolling and it's hard to tell which because 140s are better in every capacity
@ned9542 why did you remove your comment? Fuqing dumbazz 😆 🤣 😂 you're the one that doesn't know sh1t here bud
@ned9542 or you don't know sh1t.
@@ned9542and you're ignorant. I easily go flawless with my posterity every week. They're usable
Word of crota?
Seems decent!! But no matter what weapon u use in trials.. the Kovhostov still wins the encounter sadly enough. Every time bingie comes out with an update or new gun, it's so damn unbalanced and overpowered. Annoying.
180s are horribly uncompetitive... Slow base ttk without the peak shot benefits of 120s or 140s on top of having just worse stats
No shot he’s actually promoting a 180 bro… and I thought me liking wardens law was bad enough
This gun sucks man, don’t lie
"Nah jk he was cheating" 😂
Optative has Keep Away on it. 180 rpm handcannon.
Fragile focus over keep away
>Fragile focus deactivates
>You don’t have range
>Die
>Switch to Keep Away
@joselazo6840 Thanks for feedback, knowledge is power my friend 🫶
No 74 range with keepaway +bonuses is better
@@rickiboulter3053 I agreed in other dudes comment, had my info wrong.
I am telling you, desperate measures is the play over instrument
Nope
@@RagnaRebellion yea because I just see everyone running 5> resilience, instead of getting either a kill with the gun, a melee kill if any kind, or a grenade kill of any kind for a 3 tap. Brains please, use
@@blakebigler8337 you're just wrong
@@RagnaRebellion are you like 8 years old arguing like this? You can't even make a case on it at all. You're just saying nuh uh nuh uh 💀
oh look, a reskinned Austringer.
COPIUM
Ive been using this for days. Thanks for telling everyone here comes the nerf to precision instrument.
Frost nooooooo. I know some people have made videos on it already but I love this gun and it’s been kind of staying under the radar so far and after this I’m afraid people are going to start running this a lot more.
No one is gonna run this thing in any kind of competitive pvp you're good
Keep away +eye of the storm is my god roll
Why would you take eye of the storm over the ability to 3 tap. 180s don't need accuracy help
Ayo sus af lol
same slot as nessas oblation no thanks!!!
You 4/5 tap with that useless gun, Frost generally 3 tap with rose and done the job. I did not like this hc 👎
Rose can't 3 tap in 0.57 secs though
Too bad it sounds gross 😔😂
it sounds like a bootleg star wars blaster I fkin love it lol
Yes, yes it's an awesome 180rpm. My biggest problem with it though? It's not a 120rpm 😭😭😭
I was really hoping we were gunna get a top tier 120rpm after Igneous was removed from Trials. Add a Craftable 120 with jacked stats that only get better the more you use it! Although we do have Echoes 2 & 3 to come so maybe!!?!
Will acts 2 and 3 release more weapons? Or just more story content?
The next two acts don’t have anymore hand cannons, there is a craftable two burst pulse tho
@@zenith1391 If you look at the season pass you can see hidden weapons.
@@zenith1391there will be more weapons in act 2 + 3 along with story, but we do already know what they will be
@@RavenUwU605 Where did you see the actual weapons? Kinda bummed no 120 if that's the case!
1st comment
Final shape and all Shit is recycled , all weapons without exotics
Okay if you think 180s have a purpose in the actual game lol
This gun is unusable. The firing sound is ridiculous and annoying.