As for cost, as you stated it depends upon english or amish, certified or non certified. Also what the horse requires. My son is AFA certified and is in California, which requires all farriers to be certified. He started with drafts as we showed and breed Percherons. Good intro to shoeing.
Jim, another great video. You are lucky to have Eli. My farrier is also Amish and he is the best one we've ever had. Thank Eli for allowing us to see him in action.
Jim if you think those shoes are small , you should see the ones that I put on a Newfoundland Pony named Bonnie! They are 2.5 inch , I try to find the tiniest nails possible. I can manage to get three on a side. She’s hard to shoe , and being about 10 hands makes it extremely hard on the back! But you should see that little girl trot in a sled . Unbelievable how fast she is!
This was really informative, so thanks Jim. And thanks to Eli for allowing you to film and us to see the process. Very interesting to learn that oakum, used in caulking wooden ships, is also used for keeping it dry between the snow pad and the foot.
Thank you Jim and Eli for the great video, it’s a joy to watch the horses getting new shoes, never knew there were different shoes for different seasons
That was a very interesting video!!! Very informative. I’m sure,Jim, you trust him as a good farrier but also how he treats your horses. He talked to Lady much like you.
Good job Eli and nice video Jim! Eli has a nice shop to work in there and believe me once you start the job a heater isn't necessary! Being out of the wind, snowbanks and having a stock is a great help for farriers ,especially for the draft horses. The guys who have mobile shops never know what circumstances they might be working in and quite often it is muddy barnyards, snowbanks, and swarming horse flies and switching tails in summertime to say nothing of "green" colts and/or rank animals that owners have neglected to train to be handled. Believe me, Lady and Bill would be a pleasure to work on!! Shoeing horses is a real tough job, hard work and vicious on your back. When I was shoeing back in the day I never had ANY customer complain about the fee. When I was young and just starting out shoeing an old timer farrier told me: "There are three things a farrier can go to H... for: (1) Handling rogue horses(2) pounding cold steel and (3) not charging enough!
Jim, I love how you take such good care of your horses by blanketing them for the trailer ride! Eli is so kind to let us look at his shop and beautiful craftsmanship in leather work and shoeing. I live in Northern California and at my age I will never seen Amish work up close except through your videos. I agree with not disclosing the price, it's Eli's and your business. For non-horse people, horses are expensive and shoeing is just one expense every 6 - 8 weeks. I'm used to the smaller shoes (Quarter Horses). Thx again Eli!
Thank you for abiding by their wishes. They are hard working honest people who live by their beliefs not quite the same with people of other or no beliefs.
That was interesting about the pads. Couldn't have Eli tucked the oakum under Ladies blanket while he trimmed and shoed? Would imagine it would limber up.
Great video. Hello to Eli and Andy from Alaska. You guys have Forged a Fine Business Relationship. That is valuable. I laughed when you set the working horse shoes next to the race horse shoes. Ewahha! Wow, with the cross bar Awesome, and the length of those Cleats! Holly Cow!, I mean Draft Horse. Ah ha, cleats like Dillon's shoes on Lambeau Field. Congratulations to the Buffalo Bills fans, I am happy for your breaking the long drought. Anyways, ....Great video. Thanks Fellas..., and Lady,..."Lady, hold still" typical Lady,, excited to get new shoes,, as Brenda says..."High Heels" Ah ha, Love it. So impressive.. Power, transferring that power to the ground then forward. The proof is in the pudding.. Salute
Another excellent video really very interesting Eli is for sure a Master Farrier. You are very fortunate to have him so near your farm and he is able to shoe your horses
Great video Jim. It was a learning experience of this wonderful trade. Alot of patience on elis' behalf as well as the horse 🐎. Thanks for showing us how this is done.
Very educational video, thank you all for the info. I have never had to deal with snow with my horse. I grew up in WNY but I didn’t get a horse until I moved to Florida. It was really interesting seeing how you deal with the snowballs in their feet. I have a farrier appt tomorrow morning coincidentally. We just do a barefoot trim so nothing super complicated thankfully.
Very interesting video. I had never seen horses shoed before, but did watch my Granddad clean and trim their horses hooves when I was a young lad. They never shoed their horses as they were seldom on any roads. Watching Jim with the horses reminds me of my Granddad as he was quite a teamster in his day working in the Northwoods of Upper Michigan.
Always fascinating watching a farrier work. A good farrier is worth their weight in gold. Forgot to ask last time, what brand of hoof nippers has Eli found to be the best?
Have You ever thought about the Composite Horseshoes? They provide your horse with more Cushioned and Shock Absorbing shoes that create less impact on their feet and joints. With the work that that do in the woods and on the farm, just thought with the differnt things you can try. What Horseshoe's may work better. (John B. Central Wisconsin)
The last time that I had a horse shod with pads, the farrier had switched over from oakum to silicone caulking. It was so much easier to do and it filled it in without having to worry about any lumps in there that might make the horse sore over time. The way he was struggling to push that all come in there, it made me think that there’s going to be some lumps and bumps that are going to be pressing down on her foot. Has he ever considered using silicone caulking instead? Does he have a preference to use oakum? Why?
Thanks with the great Q&A with Eli. It was kind of him to take our questions. Just curious, is your decision to get shoes for Duke and Earl based on their age or when they start working?
Another great video and tutorial. another question for Eli, is there a specific size/weight hammer he uses or likes for driving the nails in the shoes. and any specific claw? Thank him again for allowing us to look over his shoulder. and for sharing. ECF
There different styles, depends on the maker. They're referred to as driving hammers and are usually 10 or 12 Oz heads. Do a Google search. Also, some are quite expensive.
Good to see/hear the Q n A.. would have been nice to show a nail how its bevelled to come out of the hoof..does Eli watch the finished video or is that against Amish practises?
Thanks for the video. Very informative about the snow pads. As for the smaller shoes that he said was for race horses, I wonder if Eli meant after they're over their racing careers or during? I can tell you with certainty that those are not racing plates for Thoroughbred racing, because they are much lighter and thinner than what those appeared to be. Maybe he was referring to shoes for Standardbred harness racing. I have no knowledge of the types they use and could be different than shoes used for Thoroughbred flat racing.
Like you, I believe he would have to mean harness racing and it explain how he has contact with them. Race horses rarely or never meet up with the fairground crows where you can watch tractor pulls and harness racing .
Jim - I have used Amish to do some shoeing - however I helped a guy back in the 70's ( non Amish) and he taught me the difference between a country and city horseshoe nails - have you ever heard of them?
@@henryhankwarrenyohe2541 that is true however they are used differently - I have watched different horses being shod in you tube videos - and there are many choices such as race horses vs other types of horses - the choices depends on the usage and purpose of the horses - for instance - draft horses put a lot of strain on shoes and nails compared to most other types of horses therefore choices must be based on that - who wants a horse loosing shoe during the job?
A question for everyone: How are horse hames made? I have researched the subject and have come up empty handed. I'm assuming they were originally fabricated from solid stock by the local blacksmith, or even in wood on the farm. How and where are modern tubular steel hames manufactured? How is the tube tapered? Is it heated and put into a fuller to forge the taper? Maybe someday a video on this subject if a source of information is found? Thank you!
Does Eli use a shoeing stock for the lighter breeds as well or are they just used for the heavy horses? Stocks are not something I’ve ever seen or heard of in New Zealand.
Looks like he's useing them for the heavy horses. There was an area kind of like a carport where he shoes the light horses. Some shoe draft horses without stocks. In Europe, I've seen videos of drafters being shod in stocks. Often, two men would work on one horse.
Aah, I wondered if your horses had overcoats. My thought is answered. Is there a set temperature that has to be reached before they wear them? Thanks, bw.
Please let Eli know that we appreciate him letting us watch as he works on the horses. Nice job. Thanks.
We will
A good Farrier is just like a good mechanic, trust and quality are more important than the cost.
Thanks Eli and Andy for allowing Jim to document your work, I appreciate it!
Charlie
Will pass that on!
Another wonderful learning experience. Eli is definitely a master in his trade.
Yes he does a great job
It must be great to have a reliable man like Eli not too far away. Have a great week and keep safe in these woods
Yes it is great!,Thanks!
As for cost, as you stated it depends upon english or amish, certified or non certified. Also what the horse requires. My son is AFA certified and is in California, which requires all farriers to be certified. He started with drafts as we showed and breed Percherons. Good intro to shoeing.
Thanks for watching and for sharing, interesting
Jim, another great video. You are lucky to have Eli. My farrier is also Amish and he is the best one we've ever had. Thank Eli for allowing us to see him in action.
I loved how Eli uses that magnet on his left knee to ho,d the nails with. Necessity is the mother if invention.
A good farrier is worth their weight and more in gold! Great video!
Totally agree!
Thank you ELI. Your amazing...
I'm also a leatherworker and I buy my leather and hardware from Weaver's. A great company
Jim if you think those shoes are small , you should see the ones that I put on a Newfoundland Pony named Bonnie! They are 2.5 inch , I try to find the tiniest nails possible. I can manage to get three on a side. She’s hard to shoe , and being about 10 hands makes it extremely hard on the back! But you should see that little girl trot in a sled . Unbelievable how fast she is!
Yes, she sounds like a challenge to shoe! Small but mighty!
Very educational video, the different size of shoes, how extraordinary. Everybody to their own, Eli knows his business. Another enjoyable video Jim.
Lady stands so patiently
This was really informative, so thanks Jim. And thanks to Eli for allowing you to film and us to see the process. Very interesting to learn that oakum, used in caulking wooden ships, is also used for keeping it dry between the snow pad and the foot.
Thanks for sharing!
Thank you Jim and Eli for the great video, it’s a joy to watch the horses getting new shoes, never knew there were different shoes for different seasons
love the questions and answers part of the video . Also love watching the shoes put on the horses . Thank you Eli .
That was a very interesting video!!! Very informative.
I’m sure,Jim, you trust him as a good farrier but also how he treats your horses. He talked to Lady much like you.
Thanks for watching!
Good to see the snow pads, so informative!!!
Good to hear!
Thank you Jim . Lady and Bill will have good safe traction know.
That was really interesting. I noticed that Jim didn't do any correcting or directing of Lady, he left Eli to give the commands. That makes sense. 💕🐎
Thanks for watching
Good job Eli and nice video Jim! Eli has a nice shop to work in there and believe me once you start the job a heater isn't necessary! Being out of the wind, snowbanks and having a stock is a great help for farriers ,especially for the draft horses. The guys who have mobile shops never know what circumstances they might be working in and quite often it is muddy barnyards, snowbanks, and swarming horse flies and switching tails in summertime to say nothing of "green" colts and/or rank animals that owners have neglected to train to be handled. Believe me, Lady and Bill would be a pleasure to work on!! Shoeing horses is a real tough job, hard work and vicious on your back. When I was shoeing back in the day I never had ANY customer complain about the fee. When I was young and just starting out shoeing an old timer farrier told me: "There are three things a farrier can go to H... for: (1) Handling rogue horses(2) pounding cold steel and (3) not charging enough!
Thanks for sharing!
Hello Jim lots of work to taking care of your horses. Very good video. Have a great day.
Thanks, you too
My wife loves the colts.Good to see new video.
My wife does too. Thanks for watching
Great video. Thanks for sharing more of Eli's shop and his work.
Thanks for watching!
Impressive how respectful you are about their wish for privacy. 👍
Jim, I love how you take such good care of your horses by blanketing them for the trailer ride! Eli is so kind to let us look at his shop and beautiful craftsmanship in leather work and shoeing. I live in Northern California and at my age I will never seen Amish work up close except through your videos. I agree with not disclosing the price, it's Eli's and your business. For non-horse people, horses are expensive and shoeing is just one expense every 6 - 8 weeks. I'm used to the smaller shoes (Quarter Horses). Thx again Eli!
Thanks for sharing your comments
What a great man Eli is let him know thank you as i know you do Jim thanks for the video good one on this snowy day lol in NY
Will do! Thanks for watching
Thank you for abiding by their wishes. They are hard working honest people who live by their beliefs not quite the same with people of other or no beliefs.
Lady is pretty patient
That was interesting about the pads. Couldn't have Eli tucked the oakum under Ladies blanket while he trimmed and shoed? Would imagine it would limber up.
Good idea!
Great video.
Hello to Eli and Andy from Alaska.
You guys have Forged a Fine Business Relationship. That is valuable.
I laughed when you set the working horse shoes next to the race horse shoes.
Ewahha! Wow, with the cross bar Awesome, and the length of those Cleats!
Holly Cow!, I mean Draft Horse. Ah ha, cleats like Dillon's shoes on Lambeau Field.
Congratulations to the Buffalo Bills fans, I am happy for your breaking the long drought. Anyways, ....Great video.
Thanks Fellas..., and Lady,..."Lady, hold still" typical Lady,, excited to get new shoes,, as Brenda says..."High Heels"
Ah ha, Love it. So impressive.. Power, transferring that power to the ground then forward. The proof is in the pudding..
Salute
Another excellent video really very interesting Eli is for sure a Master Farrier. You are very fortunate to have him so near your farm and he is able to shoe your horses
Yes we sure are!
Thanks Eli
Great video Jim. It was a learning experience of this wonderful trade. Alot of patience on elis' behalf as well as the horse 🐎. Thanks for showing us how this is done.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Very educational video, thank you all for the info. I have never had to deal with snow with my horse. I grew up in WNY but I didn’t get a horse until I moved to Florida. It was really interesting seeing how you deal with the snowballs in their feet. I have a farrier appt tomorrow morning coincidentally. We just do a barefoot trim so nothing super complicated thankfully.
Thanks for your comments, guess you don't need snowpads down there!😀
Very interesting, Thanks for showing.
Thanks for watching!
Thank you so much for your expertise and information. I own ranch horses but love learning about your heavies. 🇨🇦❤️
Thanks for watching!
good job Eli very impressive thanks for sharing enjoyed watching take care
Thanks 👍
This was a cool video thanks for the insight from both you and Eli.
aokcrum is used for a lot of different jobs, it was used in leading in cast iron drain pipe.
Interesting video Jim, thanks for the information
Very interesting to see this process and the difference between draft horse shoe and harness horse shoe. Thank you for sharing to Eli.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Very nice presentation Jim.
thanks
Jim very interesting video and tell eli thanks for letting us in his shop and answering all the questions and bill and lady look good
Will do, thanks for wathcing
I live fairly close to Weaver Leather, where Eli gets his leather supplies. They're a very reputable company
Boy, oaken has been used for centuries in the Navy, never knew it was used for horses though!
jim thank you for taking me to ELi,s . i appreciated this very much. say hi to your family for me. jim datrmouth nova scotia canada
Hi Jim, thanks for watching! Will do!
They used wooden horse shoes on the east coast for harvesting kelp on the shore so the hooves wouldn’t rot from being wet for long periods.
Interesting! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for sharing.
You bet
Interesting how to make it work better for the snow.
Had to smile...like with my horse, when farrier works, horse looks at owner with puppy dog eyes that say, please....make him stop! ☺
Haha, you are probably right!
Very interesting video. I had never seen horses shoed before, but did watch my Granddad clean and trim their horses hooves when I was a young lad. They never shoed their horses as they were seldom on any roads. Watching Jim with the horses reminds me of my Granddad as he was quite a teamster in his day working in the Northwoods of Upper Michigan.
I believe that the different shoe designs provide traction for different jobs and conditions.
Thanks for watching
Right!
Thanks for sharing great video your lucky to have someone to help
Yes we are fortunate to have him close by!
Your lucky that you have access to some one with this type of skill.
That's for sure!
Always fascinating watching a farrier work. A good farrier is worth their weight in gold. Forgot to ask last time, what brand of hoof nippers has Eli found to be the best?
Let Eli and his apprentice Andy it was kind of him to let us watch his technique. Thank-you.
will try to pass that on, thanks
Good Evening from South Africa.
Good evening and thanks for watching
When I was about16 I helped my friend who was shoeing draft horses and I had to hold the foot while he did the shoeing.
Sounds like you were a big help, hard work
Have You ever thought about the Composite Horseshoes? They provide your horse with more Cushioned and Shock Absorbing shoes that create less impact on their feet and joints. With the work that that do in the woods and on the farm, just thought with the differnt things you can try. What Horseshoe's may work better. (John B. Central Wisconsin)
Thanks for the suggestion
The last time that I had a horse shod with pads, the farrier had switched over from oakum to silicone caulking. It was so much easier to do and it filled it in without having to worry about any lumps in there that might make the horse sore over time. The way he was struggling to push that all come in there, it made me think that there’s going to be some lumps and bumps that are going to be pressing down on her foot.
Has he ever considered using silicone caulking instead? Does he have a preference to use oakum? Why?
I never used it, I don't know if Eli ever has, I will have to ask him. The okum has worked great for us though. Thanks for the suggestion
Thanks with the great Q&A with Eli. It was kind of him to take our questions. Just curious, is your decision to get shoes for Duke and Earl based on their age or when they start working?
when they start working
Someone smarter than me needs to invent an an automated horseshoe press lol have a day gentlemen love from TEXAS
Have never seen oakum put in like that, my farrier set it in before nailing…
Guess there's more than 1 way to do most things. Interesting!
Another great video and tutorial. another question for Eli, is there a specific size/weight hammer he uses or likes for driving the nails in the shoes. and any specific claw? Thank him again for allowing us to look over his shoulder. and for sharing. ECF
Will pass on the thanks and will try to remember to ask him about the hammer
There different styles, depends on the maker. They're referred to as driving hammers and are usually 10 or 12 Oz heads. Do a Google search. Also, some are quite expensive.
Good work
Yes, he does a great job
Good to see/hear the Q n A.. would have been nice to show a nail how its bevelled to come out of the hoof..does Eli watch the finished video or is that against Amish practises?
No Eli doesn't watch the finished video but he is very gracious to allow his work to be filmed.
Do the bar shoes go on the front feet only? And is a stick or something else likely to get stuck in the bar when your working?
Thanks for the video. Very informative about the snow pads. As for the smaller shoes that he said was for race horses, I wonder if Eli meant after they're over their racing careers or during? I can tell you with certainty that those are not racing plates for Thoroughbred racing, because they are much lighter and thinner than what those appeared to be. Maybe he was referring to shoes for Standardbred harness racing. I have no knowledge of the types they use and could be different than shoes used for Thoroughbred flat racing.
Like you, I believe he would have to mean harness racing and it explain how he has contact with them. Race horses rarely or never meet up with the fairground crows where you can watch tractor pulls and harness racing .
Eli deals with horses that were harness racing horses (retired). He also shoes for a lot of the harness racers.
Jim - I have used Amish to do some shoeing - however I helped a guy back in the 70's ( non Amish) and he taught me the difference between a country and city horseshoe nails - have you ever heard of them?
What's the difference? Are they steel of different grades?
The difference is the head of the nail!
@@michaelhester3147 wrong - the heads are the same but lengths are different
If you go to a farrier supply, you find nails come in many different nail sizes and head shapes. Just like shoes.
@@henryhankwarrenyohe2541 that is true however they are used differently - I have watched different horses being shod in you tube videos - and there are many choices such as race horses vs other types of horses - the choices depends on the usage and purpose of the horses - for instance - draft horses put a lot of strain on shoes and nails compared to most other types of horses therefore choices must be based on that - who wants a horse loosing shoe during the job?
A question for everyone:
How are horse hames made? I have researched the subject and have come up empty handed. I'm assuming they were originally fabricated from solid stock by the local blacksmith, or even in wood on the farm. How and where are modern tubular steel hames manufactured? How is the tube tapered? Is it heated and put into a fuller to forge the taper?
Maybe someday a video on this subject if a source of information is found? Thank you!
Good question, I have no idea. I will ask around.
I had a saddle mule that I rode for several years her shoes were triple 000 any smaller would be a pony shoe
Jim you ever come to mt hope Ohio to the horse sale ? If you do I would like to meet you and show you some of my Amish friends.
We have been to the Mt Hope sale, would love to go again!
What sect are they associated with? I appreciate the way that you respect their wishes !! Good job !
Schwartzentruber Amish
Hi, how does the snow pad.affect the frog?
It actually helps the whole bottom of the hoof, seems to soften it up
How long will winter shoes last? Same question for non winter shoes
I could possibly get a couple years out of them.
At 20:29 Lady is looking under thinking what are you doing
Those pads are like Air Jordan's for Horses LOL
haha
Does Eli use a shoeing stock for the lighter breeds as well or are they just used for the heavy horses? Stocks are not something I’ve ever seen or heard of in New Zealand.
Looks like he's useing them for the heavy horses. There was an area kind of like a carport where he shoes the light horses. Some shoe draft horses without stocks. In Europe, I've seen videos of drafters being shod in stocks. Often, two men would work on one horse.
Post shoeing question. How thick is the hoof wall on Lady or other draft horses?
I also figured out that there's a magnet in his chaps that the nails stick to.
Not sure
Yes, it works great
Where can a person purchase a bubble pad and the pine tar filling for shoeing horses for winter snow?
Maybe Meader's out of New Hampshire
@@WorkingHorsesWithJim thank you
A question for Elli. Do you ever have to reshape a shoe specifically for a certain horse? If so how is that done?
Yes they need reshaped to specific feet. And it can be done cold on the anvil with a hammer or heated in a forge to make the steel easier to move
Thanks Andy, I'm glad other people answer some of these questions. I know you do some shoeing, so you are probably more qualified that me to answer it
I enjoy your videos always interested in how other guys do things to make a living working horses
Draft horse shoes must be heated for reshaping.
How often do you need to reshoe your horses?
Every 6 -8 weeks
What is the okum(spelling?) for?
helps keep the hoof moisturized and keeps it from drying out
Aah, I wondered if your horses had overcoats. My thought is answered. Is there a set temperature that has to be reached before they wear them? Thanks, bw.
Depends on a few variables- the wind, if they have been working and have been sweating. No set temperature
I might have missed it Jim but the cord or rope he put with the screw driver is to keep debris from getting between the plate and horse?
That's actually the Oakum he's putting in there, to keep the hoof soft and to help protect the sole of the foot
@@WorkingHorsesWithJim Thanks Jim
Seems like that would be uncomfortable. Just like something in my sock.
I get needing the cleats for the Ice, do you ever run them barefooted in the summer or are you on paved roads too much?
I sometimes run barefoot in the summer if I am just doing farmwork
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Were Lady and Bill in blankets because they would NOT be doing any 'work' while getting re-shoed?
Yes, and for the travel in the trailer and it was quite a cold day