A War of Whispers - Game of Thrones in an Hour? (SU&SD Review)
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You heard of coop games where you might secretly be against each other? This is a competitive game where you might secretly be working together.
The problem in this game is... You don't secretly work together. It's pretty obvious pretty fast who wants who to win. So not so secret
Das some hot Uno Reverse Card mechanic rephrasing right there. Am interested now
@@Mateilenberg But as they say, it is not obvious who should get second place and so on.
Yeah, the strategy seems to be more in focusing on your second and third place winners.
What would be some of those co-op games?
You know when their criticism mostly boils down to "Maybe some of the elements on the board could have been slightly bolder because it can be a bit difficult to see sometimes" and "it already comes in a fairly small box, but I feel like it plausibly could have been smaller" then it's a damn good game.
And, you know, possible expansions. Who complains about a box that might later hold all the extra bits, instead of having two boxes for one game?
The box size is to fit the deluxe components, although it could be a little smaller.
I know the developer and let him know about this review. He was pretty surprised and happy to see it.
"In the war of whispers you win or you whspspspspssspssps" has to be my favourite joke you've done. Top stupidity!
Mine is now "the lion, the wolf or the ... wardrobe"
And I .... I ... I like them all.
"Glove raven isn't real and can't hurt you"
Glove Raven: 16:14
StarkSpace!
The glove raven. Is just like real life.
Gloveraven is the highest rated boardgame on bgg
Not gonna lie, I quite like Tom. He's a good addition to the team.
Are you British or American? I need to know so I can tell whether "quite" means "a little" or "extremely."
@@GarrettPetersen Wait how can quite mean extremely?
@@davidpacker7602 That's what it means west of the Atlantic.
@@GarrettPetersen wierd
@@davidpacker7602 I did not realize it could mean "a little"! But in this context, I think it's safe to say they meant "much" / "a lot".
Thank you for the subtle shade thrown at GOT for a lack of a satisfying conclusion. I think your ending really tied up the loose ends and storylines cohesively and I for one am fully satisfied!
Subtle?
@@wheeler68 More subtle than I would have been. They didn't outright say "Seasons 6-8 were fucking awful and you should be ashamed with the writing" soo....
@@wheeler68 More subtle than the conclusion of GOT.
Why is Matt only wearing one glo- ah.
Someone should found "Starkspace" and retroactively sponsor the video, so they can get another pair of prop-gloves. After all the endorsement is already in.
Hmm, maybe they played a lot of Anachrony lately?
This ending was more satisfying than the actual HBO series.
Myriad! Good word!
Random lindy comment without a response 😁
This is a game I would like to see you guys play this game. Maybe have it edited with cut aways to what you guys are thinking in other room. If not it would still be interesting to watch this game with people who know how to play it.
They did that for a game of Twilight Imperium, it was pretty good
So Littlefinger designed a board game basically
'if I can't be king I'll be the next most successful thing,' he thought '-a boardgame designer.'
“ARRRRRR” quoth the raven.
Nevermore
Thank you so much for the review! We appreciate the kind words!
I intentionally sabotaged an ally because it hurt my opponents more than my ally helped me. What a brilliant game.
I've never heard of this game and this video that randomly popped up in my feed was so well crafted that I not only am buying the game I'm subscribing!
Oh not another one. This whole channel is about making things sound so good that you spend money on things.
But sometimes they really are that good
@@dj_koen1265 guilty as charged
Welcome to modern boardgames.
Dang, I didn’t know they had cgi, that raven almost looked real
The delux version of the game includes minis for agents and cities.
"...the Lion, the Wolf or... the Wardrobe..."
I saw it coming and it was still funny.
SUSD releases a video: my wallet cries...
They are defining my board game collection since 2017...
As I lay on the couch recovering my surgery I've watched this several times. I love you guys for putting out such entertaining content. You have sold me on this game as well. Keep it up, SU&SD.
"You want to make a website but you can't because you're a bird..."
That got me. Well played.
I think this i the single best review I've seen from SU&SD. Not the funniest. Not the most exciting game. But just excellently done from start to finish.
Matt's smug face as Varys is cemented in my brain.
Matt almost hitting his face with the step-ladder filled me with so much anxiety xD
One of my top 10 games of 2019. I wish it had a better funding, so that all deluxe components were unlocked.
Upvote for "fencing by moonlight", cor what a line
It made by brain sing the Sailor Moon theme.
We get it almost every night
When that moon is big and bright
It's a supernatural delight
Everybody's fencin' in the moonlight
Everybody here is out of sight
They don't bark, though they may bite
They keep things loose, they keep 'em tight
Everybody was fencin' in the moonlight
Fencin' in the moonlight
Everybody feels the dark delight
It's such a fiendishly cruel sight
Everybody's fencin' in the moonlight
Thanks for finding and reviewing these gems. Matt has an exceptional acting / voice acting talent. It's always a pleasure to hear these guys out.
I literally paused the review and bought the game. This is exactly my type of game. Also the Matt and Tom reviews are always bangers.
Where did you find the game? It seems to be sold out at most places
@@gideonwilliams7755 I got it from Miniatures Market. They had like 20 copies this morning. But I watched the video like 10 minutes after it was published and guessed that it would be out of stock if I waited at all. Apparently a lot of Shut Up and Sit Down viewers had the same idea as me. This game didn't do a ton on Kickstarter so I don't think a lot of retailers bought a lot of copies. They weren't expecting the SU&SD bump.
There are some copies of the deluxe edition on amazon if you are willing to drop $100.
@@hastyscorpion yeah, I checked Miniature Market first, it's my go-to store. I just passed this game up while traveling because it didn't have any big reviews. I think that was a mistake haha. Thanks for your reply!
@@gideonwilliams7755 You should be able to find the Standard Edition in stores around the world while supplies last. We also have it available on Amazon including the Deluxe Edition and the Upgrade Pack that fills out the box of the Standard Edition with all the extra miniatures from the Deluxe Edition and the two mini expansions from that version.
@@TabletopTycoon thanks for the reply! Unfortunately it looks like only the deluxe version and upgrades are available? Are you planning on listing more of the base game?
Maybe the real war of whispers is the friends we made along the way.
Fitting since you find out you've been working with your enemies all along lmao
Matt is an absolute masterpiece. I'm neither a fanboy of SUSD, nor a gameboard geek, but the quantity of games I've bought because of this dude is astounding. I hope you get all the credit you deserve.
Just played this again tonight and it really is exquisite. I insta-backed this on KS. Scratches that Dune itch without all the baggage and time. Though, I'm happy to play Dune anytime, anywhere.
Thanks, Tom!
Ooooooh. A Dune re-theme with ... like, cards for the characters and, like, spice .... mmmmmmmmm.
Nothing... but cuuuuueeehbs
It's what's for dinner
"The eastern army is completely undefended... in their *_CASTLE._* "
.............. u W0T?!
OH, guys! You did it again.
You made me impulse buy another game while my closet still overflows with games...
3:29 I don't understand why this happened but I'm glad it did
I watched this and then immediately watched it again. You guys are delightful every time.
I'm a simple man, I see the glove raven, I smash the like button.
"Sure would be nice to wrap things up nicely."
***Three-eyed raven appears apropos of nothing.***
"Oooohhh, here I am! So, yeah...are...aren't you satisfied?"
Lol. Only those who were there can understand.
no mid-review turnaround? i don't know how to feel...!
I feel like mid-review turnarounds are more prevalent in AAA or famous games. On games a little less known, if they have issues, SUSD would probably only do a podcast review, not a full-blown one.
Relieved, especially wallet-wise..
Another one to join the endless "when I have money" list....
Love the reference to how unsatisfying GoT ended ... Better ending than Season 8
So essentially you're playing as pre-lobotomized Varyses. Cool.
"pre-lobotomized"
Speak for yourself...
Littlefinger here
Lmfao
Simulate Game of Thrones by drinking between each round?
Or, you know, take that as a warning of what not to do.
At one point in this review Matt says "A Game Of War Of Whispers" and in that instant a new mobile game with that name spontaneously came into existence.
I think this is my favorite susd review, primarily thanks to the musicd and the theatrical way they both speak
They just released a Kickstarter for the second printing of the game and they seem to address many issues you and other reviewers pointed out in the game!
oh yay.. more kickstarter crap... ugh
@@Nazgull2k1 You can get the base game at a really good price.
It's exactly like game of thrones the board game if everything was different and had nearly no similarities to the board game.
My guess for the bigger box and the unused spaces in it is that they are planning for expansions that maybe will be able to fit in the original box so that they can all be stored in one place - or it could just be poor space management and packing.. but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt ; -)
Yes, the box is sized to fit the upgraded components and expansions from the Deluxe Edition and potential future expansions.
"You didn't have to push me off the chair!" In life, what we have to do and what we want to do are often two different things, Matt.
You ... you do know how this works, don't you?
@@monsterinhead214
The joke
Your head
I think the box as all those blank holders so you if you want to buy the nicer pieces they can fit into the old box
The cover art looks like Darth Vader in final peace after slaying last Jedi
that is exactly what I expected - a star wars game
Tom is the new guy?
He’s doing quite good
Hilarious, AND thoroughly convincing review.
All I want to know were any Ravens hurt in the making of this video?
This game looks great! Thanks for the review.
It somewhat reminds me of Dune with certain details: round map, dynamic turn order, better with more players, super powerful cards...
Thaks for a great reveiw! My biggest wish is that they would make a game with this mechanism (maybe with more variations) in a Game of Thrones setting!!
CIA: The Game?
6:00 to 6:30 is absolutely genius. Keep up the good work
So I bought this game about 8 months ago and last night was the 1st time that we sat down and played. We were fumbling around with the rules for a bit, but it really is a cool game. Yes, it is pretty obvious who players are routing for for the max points but as stated before, the 2nd-3rd-etc is not so clear. I feel the delux addition is a little flawed. We do not get the colored wooden block (which are awesome!) We get these flimys plastic banners things, that looks like a flag planted in poop. They break very easiliy. Over all, a wonderful game.
Nice Newman and Baddiel reference.
That raven prop is my favourite prop so far! Good work, intern!
I literally just saw this game 3 days ago in a store while travelling but didn't see any major reviews on it. If only I had known it was this great! It's very hard to find online
The hand raven is very interesting considering I'm pretty sure I remember this group having a raven prop already at one point. It came up in a game of Mysterium, I think.
Starling Games, if you're reading these comments, please reprint the non-deluxe edition. Thanks!
i would totally use Lords of Xidit's miniatures to replace the cubes
I got some Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas flashbacks with the narrative. I love it
Once again, great video. You guys keep coming up with such fun and intriguing scripts for your reviews, and the ways you deliver your lines are fantastic as always. Keep it up!
I wish I had a hand raven.
That does sound like fun. Now I need friends.
Ah, what a beautiful raven! Reminds how majestic this bird really is
Raven steals the show. Its beyond awesome!
Finally! A board game that reflects the actual geometry of an earth-like world...flat!
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I had a rude awakening when I had a great few games at a friend’s house then got it for myself. Even though the box looks the same size, there’s a MASSIVE difference in the quality of components. The little minis and castles may not be necessary and there’s a little to be said for how the total abstraction of the armies suits the narrative, but when you’d been playing with the elaborate and fancy pieces it does feel like a hard downgrade.
This duo is incredible! Great work you guys.
God damn! What's with all of these fascinating games coming out of the left field on me!?(This and undaunted). Amidst my big kickstarter backing of the year!?
Aghghhhh!
So cruel... recommending a game sold out everywhere online
Hi Sam, we were able to restock on Amazon today so you should be able to get it there.
It wasn't until they recommended it.
I've been away for awhile, and I can tell how much you guys have increased your budget. Not only have you brought in Obi-Wan Kenobi to help with the reviews, but someone else had to point out to me that the raven wasn't real!
This review actually made me interested in this game now
i love your descriptions
I've been trying to find this since this review went up, but there's just no standard versions anywhere even close to me. It seems to be not for sale in the UK after this video. They restocked it and it's a solid £85 including delivery. Please. I just need the thing. 😭
Thumbs up to have Shut up & sit down play this for a livestream
After this review and a few others I saw I was looking at picking this up. The Deluxe version solves the problem of cities being covered up by giving plastic tokens... and you can buy an upgrade to the deluxe version separately. I thought that was nice, so I can pick up the normal version and if we get hooked on it I can spend the $40 to get the nice plastic bits and bobs.
This game is selling like crazy after this review! That's really awesome.
That looks really quite fun.
And fun as always to watch.
The raven is just amazing!!! 😁
Every time a see a video of yours is a real treat !
I absolutely love watching those guys as their reviews are always a mastery when acting, script and editing is taken in consideration, but they are also inevitably overhyping games that are often shallow and extremely underdeveloped. That is the problem with this one, unfortunately. The reviews shows the game as a brilliant mixture of strategy, bluff and backstabbing but in fact it is a 50 minute ordeal of making insignificant moves on a blurry board and making multiplications with changing variables... any decision making is lost somewhere in that back and forth charade constructed to give you the guise of control and that really sucks.
A playthrough of this mate yeah?
Brewster's got that 1990s Anakin Skywalker hair.
Played only once, and us new players didn’t realise the power of the cards. The owner in the last turned had the final turn and smashed out five cards at once - we didn’t stand a chance!
I'm fully sold on this. Bit pricey for me, but I will definitely save up to get this this year.
You are becoming one of my favorite reviewers where I can actually watch and enjoy a review even though I have zero interest in the game, though this one is going to my wishlist instantly :D
You can't just show the ending to GoT, that's copyright infringement..
I played my first game with 3 other buddies last weekend. It was fun and easy to learn. The wording on some of the cards weren't clear though and the designer provides much needed details on the BGG forum. I wish they had revised that wording on their 2nd print run.
When in doubt, use a puppet for your ending.
Where the heck can I get a copy of this? I'm in Canada and I'm having a hell of a time finding anything.
This game sounds like it mixes two of my favorite games together - the King of Siam and Citadels. Thank you for this video! I'm absolutely going to go pick this up!
15:54 "Can't think of a satisfying way to put an ending to all of this really."
I was so certain Tom was gonna rush in and shove him off the chair again.
Ah well, perhaps next time...
Wish I could find the game to buy someplace.