I agree 100%. Thanks for the insight, Andrew. I think most seasoned anglers will be in agreement. Use it as a tool during practice to find fish, but it can't be used during competition, just like underwater cameras.
I would love to someday fish the NWT or MWC for competitive walleye fishing, however FFS is now the only way to compete on this level as well as BASS competitions. It’s no longer fishing, it’s catching. Anglers are running around with trolling motor on high and only stopping to cast, not when they see fish, it they only cast to BIG tourney grade fish. It’s simply gone too far. I say use it to practice and learn to be a better fisherman, but come tournament time this technology really has no place. Unless this is banned I have zero desire to ever fish competitively again.
Finally, an angler with some common sense and the maturity to reason. Thanks Upshaw. I’ve been saying this same thing to guys when this hot topic gets talked about. There is a time and place for it, but just not during the actual tournaments.
Appreciate your opinion Andrew. You mentioned The Bass Tank has a cover that would block FFS. There’s been some interest to start a no FFS division in some local bass clubs. What’s this product called? I couldn’t find anything from the search menu. Thanks
I have been saying for weeks now that I thought this would happen in at least 1 of the Tours. FFS allowed in practice but not on Competition days. I used the exact explanation you did. The haters still laugh at that idea from what I've seen. Won't be able to please all the haters. They will just HATE on something else. It doesn't matter to me what they do as I enjoy watching even if it's all FFS catches. I also ain't the one paying those entry fees to fish those tournaments.
Try your idea for one year and see how it goes. Tweak the good and eliminate the bad. And keep going year after year. Practice only. And bring back the A rig. That should make it fair. Good idea Andrew. Keep pushing it. I’m sure Randy would agree with you.
Thank you. This is the reasonable compromise. Use it in practice, prove you can fish in the derby, credit it for helping you find the money fish on stage. It appeases the sponsors, and restores some credibility to the events.
So on game day limit it to 2D only or where do you draw the line? Side scan and 360 shows fish in distant brush/rock/docks and where they are positioned under bait just not second by second live. I could care less about FFS either way. It helps me at times and it hurts me at times making me chase fish that either aren’t the right species or aren’t going to bite. Like I said Andrew it wouldn’t bother me to keep it or send it. But at what level do we limit the technology on game day if this were the case??
Scoping at the “professional” level is LAUGHABLE to me! Actually, to allow it in ANY tournament is LAUGHABLE! And I do agree with you, being able to use it in practice it can be used for a scouting tool to mark sneaky cover. Then when tourney time comes around you have to actually “fish” those spots.
As one that thinks FFS is a fun tool and I do have it on my rig, but I do not fish tournaments. I completely agree that it should be banned during "Professional" tournaments. Here's a few questions that we should all ask ourselves. Why can't you use a net to land fish in professional fishing? Why can't you use live bait? Why can't you use more than a 250hp motor? Why can't you use Aqua-view camera? Answer any of these and you know why FFS should not be used in professional tournaments. During practice, who cares? Most trails allow video during practice. Which is basically all FFS is, animated video.
Power poles don't test anglers boat skills. Nets have been here as long as they gave been gone. Navonics gives them brush piles they didn't find. Motor size. Really? Tell me how bed fishing is fair chase. Mr Clunn said he's learned that 65 yrs of fishing, he was wrong. Fish that have never been pressured. Real issue, old sticks losing spots that can no longer make a living casting at the same spots for 20 plus yrs.
What about use it in practice and the day before the tournament the director picks a random ball out of a bucket for ffs or no ffs for the tournament. That way everybody has to practice and know how to fish both ways. 50/50 chance for each tournament keeps it fair and the anglers happy and also keeps the tech companies happy so they don’t pull sponsorship money from the organization
Andrew I like your idea however, I believe that the pros at the upper level should be able to use FFS since it is just another tool just like 360, mapping, side imaging and more. If you start taking away tools now whats next? mapping, spotlock trolling motors, lithium batteries, power poles and more? mapping w/gps has got to be the big advancement in bass fishing maybe ever(Even Rick Clunn acknowledged this not to long ago), aside from mapping FFS is right up. If you were to take mapping away from all anglers now and with only 2 to 3 days of practice there are some tournaments that you would not even be able to navigate the lake safely or at least you would be limited to an area making your practice time even shorter. My biggest fear is, I am just afraid if you start taking stuff now where does it end? Let's say you take FFS away now and hypothetically someone like KVD or Jacob Wheeler or some other big name decides there is something else out there they don't like or don't want to use then you will see a big push to have it removed as well. So, then where does it end? it will be a revolving door with political ties to the best fishermen and their sponsors. Unfortunately I think this is way too slippery of a slope to go down. As far as FFS and everyone looking down. I get it people are looking down, and people are not beating the banks but let's be honest. It is no different than back in the day when someone fished offshore using a flasher, or 2D sonar, they did the same thing. The only real difference is more people might be doing it now and it is happening in more than the Northern swing and on the Tennessee river. As a pay to play sport where the entry fees continue to go up and the payouts continue to get worse, I cannot believe that BASS nor MLF have had a in person meeting with all the touring pros to hear there side and not just rumors. This is a big business on their end they should run it that way. Put everyone together and hash out all the issues and hear everyone ideas and talk them through. The way you know you made a good deal is when both sides have left the tablet a little mad or upset. That means it was not one sided and there was some give and take. The way things are going from what I know most anglers feels like they have no voice in this and are being heard. While we are talking about bad things let's talk about the drama that continues in the sport of bass fishing. It is at a all time high with all the organizations and to be honest they are scared to death of reporting on anything in a timely fashion or manner. I promise you if there is any shady business going on and someone is caught, it needs to be posted a long with the punishment and the punishment needs to fit the crime so to speak. I also think that if you cannot prove the infraction like this past tournament with BASS, then you let the angler finish the tournament and continue to post updates weekly till it is resolved. To many things happened bad with that whole situation. If they knew he did something wrong they should have polygraphed him prior to starting the tournament. It is my understanding that BASS knew Monday or Tuesday prior to the tournament so why let him fish the first two days. Makes BASS look shady and makes them look like they had some kind of agenda in the AOY race. Because if he was not doing good would he have still been tested? we will never know. It is just a very bad look on BASS they handled that whole issue. I was not originally thinking this way but as along as the Open's, Toyota's, BFL's all have individual weights then I think FFS should not be used. Just because it puts the co-anglers in such an disadvantage that you will start losing participation. Now on the other hand as long as you do not have any issues with being able to get marshals for when you do not have any co-anglers then I really do not see that big of an issue. However, if you think that it is fair for a boater to have a co-angler and other boaters to have to fish with other boaters. I think that is wrong on many levels. One the boater has to give up operation of his/her boat for half the day and another big reason is you have now twice the fish to fish for, because if you are on ok fish and the guy you draw is on better fish you have a chance in many cases to stay there and keep fishing when it is your turn to run the boat.
A lot of tournaments in Europe have a set period in the day, or the competition where it is allowed. I can see it being another point of interest and excitement in pro bass fishing if, for example, it was allowed between say 11am and 1pm during competitions. The morning bite would be fished traditionally, then, when the bite frequently slows down, a "power period" where anglers can scope would see anglers tempted to try a different style of fishing and create a point of interest for viewers and commentators.
Not sure FFS is anymore boring to watch than bed fishing. Both are not as easy as non-anglers believe but only thing that excites people is catching not fishing. Heck if you watched the BPT team on day one this week, it was pretty boring. Not a lot of catching but day two bite was better and two teams found the pattern. Your idea certainly has merit. Equating the FFS to the camera technology and applying same rule. Any organization could follow that idea based on current rules. Would be tough to install and remove so need a solution but the hard cover thought could be the answer. Thanks for your video to inspire more ideas.
I have heard a few people discuss this as an option. I personally agree with it. I think it would be good to allow it for practice and ban it from Tournaments. I don't really have a horse in this race but that is just the way I would like to see it.
Very good solution. My thought was to split the schedule 1/2 with FFS & half without. Decide by a random drawing . That way both sides can fish their strengths and the ones who are the best at both will be there at the end.
This would restrict the offshore fishing immensely as these fish are suspended and moving. There would be no time to find them or ability to chase them in tournament. Your suggestion is balanced between the extreme ‘s
Someone needs to start a new tournament trail or organization that doesn’t allow FFS. Let the anglers decide what group they want to fish in. And Set it up like MLB. 2 leagues America and National leagues. At end of season combine the best for a fish Off and alternate the rules. This could be interesting
Here’s my opinion/ solution. From watching the elites it seems that on the first day and even second day of the tournament there are guys power fishing on or off the bank that are competing for the win. For example, Hunter Shylock and Steve Kennedy on smith were catching them shallow and leading the first day. Over 4 days a scoper usually wins because they don’t run out of fish. So my solution is a 2 day tournament. You’d see less scoping and more power fishing. Let me know what yall think.
I don’t think a middle ground exists at this exact point in professional fishing. Too many people expect validation of their feelings. Feelings shouldn’t matter in these type decisions. You’re right, you can never make everyone happy so there should be a third party ethics committee for rules changes and that’s it. It’s being proven that anglers can’t come together, so put it in a third party’s hands. Also, who cares if fishing is getting “easier” these days? Good!! Catch more dang fish because not catching them is boring for everyone! We live in an “instant gratification society” and it’s not going to change no matter what we want. If you want to slow down the “pace of play” so to speak, to keep fishing “traditional” then it’s going to die faster than it already is. Finally, if live is that “easy” to learn then everyone can do it and it’s fair.
I agree completely. Too many egos and unwilling to work together. I agree, I have a video coming out about that as well. Professional fishing wise, they are focused more on cutting their own throats than holding the organizations accountable
Honest question - how to you enforce no use in tournament, or certain days? Removing transducers/equipment may create issues. An honor system for no use in tournaments seems problematic!
@@AndrewUpshawFishingtrue, but sometimes 1/3 of the field does not have marshalls. I have marshalled 4 times myself. Could work. I like that you offered a solution instead of just whining!!
I have used a underwater camera in practice but in muddy water it's useless and that's where FFS comes in handy. As far as tournaments go yes it's a tool no doubt about it. Does there need to be a limit on it. In some ways yes. If your fishing a shallow lakes or clear lakes I don't think it needs to be used during the tournament days. But if your fishing for smallmouth in the northern lakes and rivers then yes. I would rather see them looking at a screen instead of laying down on the deck of their boat looking through a cone to find fish. I do think there needs to be a limit on how many units you can use yes. 3 is ok for practice but not during tournament days.
Livescope is ironically better than a camera. But in essence it is no different. I think electronics should be off for the biggest prize tournaments. Every tournament is going to have a story of some sort. But these stories are going to be predictable and boring eventually if change isn’t made.
Loving your new attitude and looking forward to more candid vids. Let’s Fish TV is awesome. I’ll be back in the Texas area soon. Maybe a colab in order
I love using it, I don't necessarily like watching someone use it. I'm not really a fan of watching someone fish unless I'm learning something. There isn't a lot to learn by watching someone stare at a screen. Just as there isn't much to learn by watching someone flipping or punching down a grass line or the bank. If there isn't much to learn and I'm going to watch someone fish, I'd rather watch them catch fish than not. That said, I'd rather see someone catch 50 fish with live imaging than 5 fish punching or flipping all day.
I do believe I understand all arguments for both sides but from my opinion, pros are pros, they should be using the most advanced Technology ,Technique, Tackle etc and show us the modern world that we can dream of. They are representing the sponsors to the highest level which make us consumer to want it. This will keep supporting the fishing industry which we always want to enjoy. With that being said, I also think that 2,3,4sometimes 5 FFS on a boat is not necessary. That’s where I believe the pros have to have morals and self manage the right amount. All pros 100% know this debate and not just waiting for the rule to come in place, they should make the movement by them self and come up with the compromise point. I’m sure there are some pros that will not agree and be on its own and will do whatever they want but so be it! Those will some day get eliminated I the long term from the fishing fans. Just my opinion
My opinion no ffs days 1&2 anything goes days 3&4 you have to fish by instinct and knowledge to make the cut and earn the privilege of using the technology in the last 2 rounds, but my real question is that if you listen to the majority of the pros even the younger guys they say that they don't enjoy using it they do it because they have to. If that's the case and the majority can't enjoy their jobs then why even have it y'all tell me????
I hate the word “ban” but I am for limiting. Why could we not shrink the time on water on tournament days? Cut them in half. This prevents the time needed to spotlight bass effectively and forces power fishing.
Good idea.. Honestly its ok to limit technology when comes to sports i assume Bass fishing is a sport just imagine Aaron judge with Aluminum bat? Heck are Thursday softball league has bat rules.
My guess would be a lot. I personally think the sponsorship from the electronics companies have become biggest sponsors. I wouldn’t even doubt there being some back door pocket padding going on with the CEO’s which would be really unfortunate for the anglers.
More rules more problems I’m not sure this is a ffs problem I think it’s because there is so much live coverage and let’s face it fishing is boring if you watch 8 hours of it You watch a guy throw a crank bait at a ledge or look at ffs for 8 hours 7 1/2 of it is boring We got spoiled with 1 hour highlight shows that seemed exciting but that’s not real Just leave it alone shut up and fish if you’re going to be the best you need to use the best equipment
Yeah, but it was a lot more interesting when they switch cameras to other anglers and they were catching them with a different pattern, technique or bait. Now it’s just the same thing. I can’t watch it.
Mike Day concrete channel has an episode in which he demonstrates the use of a DeWalt automatic level, in order to ascertain quantities of concrete that he has to order to create his concrete floors at work. Now, that's just a guy pouring a concrete floor. Suffice it to say that it would be possible for golfing professionals to carry a DeWalt or TopCon tool as well with their golf clubs to study greens and fairways. I'm sure that, like race car drivers who 'learn' a race track in advance, that golfers must play virtual golf courses and study maps to learn them too. But at the end of the day, I haven't seen Tiger Woods out there using a lazer level, or wearing eye pieces or cyber goggles. Although I'm sure it all exists. Would people who visit Augusta Masters, or view it on television live (and for some reason 'live' golf is pretty darn watchable, even for non- golfers), would people if they saw Tiger Woods use lazer technology to help study a putt beforehand, would they approve of that? Or not? That's what's happened with bass angling, it's like having putting greens where competitors drag around nine lazers and level devices, and in fishing as audiences we're supposed to pretend 'not to notice anything different'. Like just ignore the fact that Tiger and Tiger's competitors all have stuff that beeps and blinks on their golf clubs now. Like the guys laying concrete floors. And we're supposed to pretend in fishing that it's all titally normal. That's the part about it that stuck in peoples' throats. Competitors just showed up one day with all of this stuff, and we're asked to pretend it's normal. Just totally fine.
Don't get me wrong, when I'm doing floors I want to have my DeWalt tool and I want to know how to use it. Okay. I turn on to a sports channel having done floors all week, and what I don't want to do, is watch some guy demonstrate to me how the equivalent of a lazer level for lake fishing works. Because that's just not fun.
What I'm attempting to articulate is that when it's my money, my labour and my time I'm using I tend to 'want all of the tricks and advantage' (and I could understand that if my job was to professionally 'fish' as a job, that likewise I'd see this as an extension or necessary part of my business too). Using a tool that eliminates guess work. And there in lies 'the truth'. As audiences of pro fishing we know the deal, these are full time professionals anglers on screen. However, by the same token the fun part about viewing the sport is pretending that these pro anglers are like regular guys, that one can aspire to be like. And when I see a bass angler glued constantly to their DeWalt lazer level, like the contractors I see, it just makes it harder for me as an audience viewer to pretend there is a sporting aspect to this. But I appreciate that bass anglers themselves view 'what they do', and how they go about their job, as a serious job. That's the trouble, the anglers made it so serious as to where the fun aspect got sucked out. It got stamped on, and when that happened the tournament organizations really bottled it. They were not an advocat for the joe six pack bass audience member (that's the one guy who never gets representation 'at' those angler meetings). Is the guy watching it, buying the lures and keeping it all going.
I would rather see all electronics banned than only being able to use FFS in practice. Like you can have mapping with no waypoints and 2d or you can have it all.
There is a simple solution, eliminate all tournaments. I love to tournament fish, however, with all this bs with technology is getting old. All anyone sees is the back of the anglers head, whether using FFS or not. Get on board with technology or go home. These are all "professionals" and should be able to adapt. I haven't seen where any marine biologist have said it was bad, and have said we need to keep more fish.
Be honest, if you live up north are you going to watch bass live if they are on your Lakes not using livescope? With how pressured the lakes are getting I couldn't imagine watching pros struggling to catch without live what the average guy can go and catch him self.v
The star has always been the fish especially big fish and big bags if they aren’t catching what the local derby guys do viewers will go down I believe.
@@AndrewUpshawFishing I agree you could stop it to some extent with schedule but bass only goes where they get paid and I don’t fault them for that. I feel like to not ban the electronics you could ban certain tackle for specific events. Like take away spinning rods and line under 15 lb or whatever. I hate to do that to spinning rod Todd @toddcastledinefishing . But I feel like at the end of the day they have to be catching them or people aren’t going to watch especially with zona gone he could fill the down time and keep you entertained.
I can tell you this; I used to be glued to it before FFS started dominating. Now I can’t watch 5 mins of it. I think it’s great for practice and even me going out fishing with it to catch ‘em, but watching someone else do it is boring.
Use it in practice at the higher levels but as far as the lower level tournaments...Until it's affordable to everyone it shouldn't be allowed...I realize that Lowrance has come out with an affordable version but I am betting it's no where near as good as Livescope and a 12-15" screen..
Brother, if you try to make local tournaments “fair” you are never going to be able to hold one. I don’t buy that a livescope setup is the expensive part of tournament bass fishing.
@@MJ_Bassyou said it for me. Absolutely correct. And here’s the deal, no one is going to take their live scope setup off their boat to fish the weekend derby.
So is the rumors true ? Andrew is npfl bannning it totally ? BPT gonna get too use it one period out of three ? And Bassmaster Elite one ffs transducer and 60 inches of screens that’s 5 12 inch screens or 3 16 inch screens and a 12 inch geez that’s still alot of electronics?? And what about the Opens and tackle warehouse invitationals ?
That’s exactly what I’ve heard but I’m sure something(s) will turn out slightly different. If B.A.S.S. stance says the same as the rumor it’d be a shame. The leader of the sport making the weakest changes 😑
I’ve heard the same as you. I believe there is always some “truth” to rumors, but digging through them sometimes you find some lies mixed in. I think it will get deeper than just BPT. Probably BFL and Toyota bans. Opens will have the same rules as Elites, whatever they decide is anyone’s best guess.
Or allow it but limit practice to one day and only one qualifying day. Go back to a 5 fish limit for all tournament triails … I primarily follow BPT because of Matt Stefan and Mark Daniels Jr. I find watching anglers putting up 70-100lbs on day 1 qualifying and then practice on day 2 qualifying is what makes it unwatchable. There’s no point in watching or following the top ten anglers. Rarely will I tune in for the knockout rounds.
Personally I don’t like banning it in competition. I think that BPT banning it for 2 periods is a great solution, as their format encourages average fish being caught. NPFL, who cares honestly. Maybe they ban it and get some of the whiners to participate (doubt it) and differentiate themselves from the other leagues. For BASS I think 1 ffs transducer and 48” of screen would help the arms race slow and the sport to look more like the grassroots level. At the end of the day most viewers are fisherman themselves and they don’t mind watching a ffs event (they aren’t the vocal minority) If people think FFS tournaments are boring, wait until another offshore tournament happens where FFS is banned 😂
I think you have a good grasp on it. I think you’re right about Bass. But I fear if that’s all Bass does, while others have severely limited/banned, I think it will go negatively for them.
@@AndrewUpshawFishing I don’t know. I think if bass just does light restrictions, they’ll suffer from extra mean internet comments, and some grouchy veteran elite anglers, but I doubt the sport suffers. I saw a poll where they asked college anglers if they want to ban ffs and 97% said no. I think it would be foolish to ignore that the future of the sport already loves the technology.
Randy blauket has been screaming this solution for a long time now... i just don't see why it can't be two leagues one with it one with out it... let the fans watch what they want to watch or both...
Because all the leagues are qualify only. You have portions of strong scopers on each and since neither work together, those guys would have to requalify for them and that’s not going to happen. I havent watched a single Blauket video after he said he should have had more wins than KVD but just lost too many fish.
Idk I like watching it and love using it but if they banned it I’d be ok with that to so whatever I just like to fish and watch it it be interesting tho
I think it is a grave mistake to ban it at all. Why let anyone use it in practice but not on tournament days. Why watch NBA, NFL or PGA if I can go to the same course and do as well or better? You put on a "PRO" event, and it takes 15lb a day to win on avg and some young guy in a bass tracker aluminum with FFS catches 20 a day. He is not going watch or even respect the PRO level. So, we are in a bad spot. I say limit numbers of transducers or screen inches in total that is fine but to take it out is a mistake unless biologists can show its harming the population in some way. What I think it has done that is not disputable is that it has shown us the largest population of BASS 90% of the time are pelagic. That is why the old patterns have taken a beating. Remember the old adage "90% of the fish are in 10% of the lake"? I contend we are just now learning where that has been. Any way thanks for the discussion.
Not so perfect if your the two professional tournaments. As without question, every high-school & College kid is honing the FFS skills. Like it or not they are the future of the sport. PERIOD. Eliminating FFS even for a few tournaments will slowly but shirley end the pro tournaments. Kids dont care and will only fish where there is FFS tournaments.
BASS banned everything that benefited shallow water anglers years ago. I think it would be much more entertaining to allow jets, tunnels, sinking your boat, pushing your boat and changing boats to suit the venue than adding another ban. I’m sick of hearing about the A Rig ban. Scheduling can also greatly limit the effectiveness of ffs and I’ve benefited from most of my list on tidal waters in the past.
I think it’s horrible for them. Those guys built this sport into what it is for the young anglers to have an opportunity to be professionals too. Just to disregard their opinions and wisdom on this issue is just disrespectful. Thank you Andrew again for seeing both sides and sharing this video/idea. It really shows your character and respect for the sport.
If they want viewers they will ban it . I haven’t watched any pro fishing in two years for that matter haven’t watched a pro video on TH-cam either. TH-cam guys that promote it don’t subscribe Or watch their videos
Watching bass live is the most boring thing ever!! I don't give a crap how you catch em!! Just so long as it is exciting or dramatic and right now it's all the same I don't care if it's on a top water senko jig and minnow or anything thing else. Commercials are more exciting and entertaining than bass live. Maybe get rid of the live weigh in and bass track and don't post results until the video is condensed into a format that is enjoyable to watch elite bass fishing is doomed. More intrigue drama and underlying drama like aoy controversy and the bass master classic as the championship to settle it all at the end. The whole thing just sucks maybe someone like you will do something about it.
Almost every single form of car/bike racing has 100’s of rules eliminating things that would make tires ‘stickier’, engines faster, aerodynamics, you name it there is a ‘limitation’. This FFS is in effect an animated camera system that can see the fish even in dirty water. This would be analogous to allowing me to use a thermal imaging drone to ‘hunt’ whitetails at night. When you see fisherman ‘not casting’ to fish because they are too small and sometimes going 10-15 minutes between casting as they search for a bigger fish it’s simply no longer fishing. Other examples there were (2) great ones on the Elites Lake Fork event where one angler hooked and lost a giant when it jumped and tossed his jerkbait. He stated that he followed that fish around for 20 minutes, waited for it to settle down and reposition itself, then started casting at it again and caught it…11 lbs (Hamner). Trey McKinney also hooked and broke off a giant fish and did the same thing catching it some 15-20 minutes later and it still had the original jerkbait in its 10 lb mouth. I’m sorry but these just aren’t examples of fishing - they are hunting down giant fish that simply can’t get away from them and their FFS.
My opinion is,everyone is mad at the new anglers on the pro series,being so good with their electronics. The older tour pro’s need to adapt. Ffs. Only played a major part in win on the bass master elite’s in half the tournaments. My thoughts on growing bass fishing,is to start going to different lakes, they seem to go to the same 9 lakes every year. So my option you adapt or you will not be a pro fishermen much longer, it’s been out long enough, that everyone knows how to use it.
is this guy "trolling" us? Using ffs is pathetic, esp for "pro fishermen". Just buy a playstation and get a Twitch account. Leave fishing to the adults.
@@AndrewUpshawFishing I don't trust cheaters, esp those doing it for sponsorship money and i am not your buddy.. Lie to your family however you want to justify how you pay your bills, but using ffs as a "pro" makes you scummy and your money "dirty".
Leave live sonar unlimited for the Elites/BPT, ban it in the minor league tournaments including high school and college. That way the upcoming talent has to fish “old school on instincts and learned knowledge” to compete. Elites/BPT can limit how much live sonar factors by scheduling. Live coverage also has some blame with people complaining about it being boring. Watching from take off to weigh for the whole tourney, it’s expected for a lot of down time and boring viewing no matter what technique they utilize to fish.
Wrong approach. The adults in the organizations need to stand up and say, "We're going to allow it. Learn it or get left behind." Or they need to just ban it and make the whiners have to whine about something else. Remember the original argument, it's too expensive. That's not true any more. Then it's too easy, it's cheating. You know it's not easy. Every argument against it falls by the wayside except that the olds don't want change.
Its a tool . But i will never spend that kind of money to catch a bass i been fishing for years. I can still go out and catch 5 bass .. do not need a video game to catch a bass. . I find it funny seeing these guys with there heads buried in a screen ..
I agree 100%. Thanks for the insight, Andrew. I think most seasoned anglers will be in agreement. Use it as a tool during practice to find fish, but it can't be used during competition, just like underwater cameras.
I totally agree Andrew, use whatever you want to in practice. Tournament days just go fishing ...
I would love to someday fish the NWT or MWC for competitive walleye fishing, however FFS is now the only way to compete on this level as well as BASS competitions. It’s no longer fishing, it’s catching. Anglers are running around with trolling motor on high and only stopping to cast, not when they see fish, it they only cast to BIG tourney grade fish. It’s simply gone too far. I say use it to practice and learn to be a better fisherman, but come tournament time this technology really has no place. Unless this is banned I have zero desire to ever fish competitively again.
The practice only rule is what I've been thinking for a while. I think that's a great solution
Finally, an angler with some common sense and the maturity to reason. Thanks Upshaw. I’ve been saying this same thing to guys when this hot topic gets talked about. There is a time and place for it, but just not during the actual tournaments.
Good video!!! This sounds like a good compromise to me. You have to stat somewhere.
Good ideas sir. I think side, 360 are different because the interactions between fish and lure
360 is an amazing tool.
Agree!! 360, DI, and SI let you see the fish not see the lure smack them in the head. lol
Appreciate your opinion Andrew. You mentioned The Bass Tank has a cover that would block FFS. There’s been some interest to start a no FFS division in some local bass clubs. What’s this product called? I couldn’t find anything from the search menu. Thanks
I have been saying for weeks now that I thought this would happen in at least 1 of the Tours. FFS allowed in practice but not on Competition days. I used the exact explanation you did. The haters still laugh at that idea from what I've seen. Won't be able to please all the haters. They will just HATE on something else. It doesn't matter to me what they do as I enjoy watching even if it's all FFS catches. I also ain't the one paying those entry fees to fish those tournaments.
People will always find a way to hate on something. And I’m glad we agree!
Agree with the Practice rule👍
Try your idea for one year and see how it goes. Tweak the good and eliminate the bad. And keep going year after year. Practice only. And bring back the A rig. That should make it fair. Good idea Andrew. Keep pushing it. I’m sure Randy would agree with you.
It’s just terribly hard to find middle ground on the situation. But I do believe it’s almost as middle as possible.
Thank you. This is the reasonable compromise. Use it in practice, prove you can fish in the derby, credit it for helping you find the money fish on stage.
It appeases the sponsors, and restores some credibility to the events.
So on game day limit it to 2D only or where do you draw the line? Side scan and 360 shows fish in distant brush/rock/docks and where they are positioned under bait just not second by second live. I could care less about FFS either way. It helps me at times and it hurts me at times making me chase fish that either aren’t the right species or aren’t going to bite. Like I said Andrew it wouldn’t bother me to keep it or send it. But at what level do we limit the technology on game day if this were the case??
I would say just limits live sonar. You could leave 360. But Live just gives you so much more data that nothing else compares.
Scoping at the “professional” level is LAUGHABLE to me! Actually, to allow it in ANY tournament is LAUGHABLE! And I do agree with you, being able to use it in practice it can be used for a scouting tool to mark sneaky cover. Then when tourney time comes around you have to actually “fish” those spots.
I completely agree with you on this. That was a great comparison to the Aquia V which is really
Is ever worse in ways.
25-30 years experience also means ABOUT TO RETIRE.
Let the future ride 🤟🔥❤️
As one that thinks FFS is a fun tool and I do have it on my rig, but I do not fish tournaments. I completely agree that it should be banned during "Professional" tournaments. Here's a few questions that we should all ask ourselves. Why can't you use a net to land fish in professional fishing? Why can't you use live bait? Why can't you use more than a 250hp motor? Why can't you use Aqua-view camera? Answer any of these and you know why FFS should not be used in professional tournaments. During practice, who cares? Most trails allow video during practice. Which is basically all FFS is, animated video.
Excellent points you brought up. Thanks.
Agree with ya buddy
Power poles don't test anglers boat skills. Nets have been here as long as they gave been gone. Navonics gives them brush piles they didn't find. Motor size. Really? Tell me how bed fishing is fair chase.
Mr Clunn said he's learned that 65 yrs of fishing, he was wrong. Fish that have never been pressured. Real issue, old sticks losing spots that can no longer make a living casting at the same spots for 20 plus yrs.
What about use it in practice and the day before the tournament the director picks a random ball out of a bucket for ffs or no ffs for the tournament. That way everybody has to practice and know how to fish both ways. 50/50 chance for each tournament keeps it fair and the anglers happy and also keeps the tech companies happy so they don’t pull sponsorship money from the organization
Thank you Andrew I agree with you. Thank you for your insight keep it up sir look forward to hearing more.
Andrew I like your idea however, I believe that the pros at the upper level should be able to use FFS since it is just another tool just like 360, mapping, side imaging and more. If you start taking away tools now whats next? mapping, spotlock trolling motors, lithium batteries, power poles and more? mapping w/gps has got to be the big advancement in bass fishing maybe ever(Even Rick Clunn acknowledged this not to long ago), aside from mapping FFS is right up. If you were to take mapping away from all anglers now and with only 2 to 3 days of practice there are some tournaments that you would not even be able to navigate the lake safely or at least you would be limited to an area making your practice time even shorter. My biggest fear is, I am just afraid if you start taking stuff now where does it end? Let's say you take FFS away now and hypothetically someone like KVD or Jacob Wheeler or some other big name decides there is something else out there they don't like or don't want to use then you will see a big push to have it removed as well. So, then where does it end? it will be a revolving door with political ties to the best fishermen and their sponsors. Unfortunately I think this is way too slippery of a slope to go down. As far as FFS and everyone looking down. I get it people are looking down, and people are not beating the banks but let's be honest. It is no different than back in the day when someone fished offshore using a flasher, or 2D sonar, they did the same thing. The only real difference is more people might be doing it now and it is happening in more than the Northern swing and on the Tennessee river. As a pay to play sport where the entry fees continue to go up and the payouts continue to get worse, I cannot believe that BASS nor MLF have had a in person meeting with all the touring pros to hear there side and not just rumors. This is a big business on their end they should run it that way. Put everyone together and hash out all the issues and hear everyone ideas and talk them through. The way you know you made a good deal is when both sides have left the tablet a little mad or upset. That means it was not one sided and there was some give and take. The way things are going from what I know most anglers feels like they have no voice in this and are being heard.
While we are talking about bad things let's talk about the drama that continues in the sport of bass fishing. It is at a all time high with all the organizations and to be honest they are scared to death of reporting on anything in a timely fashion or manner. I promise you if there is any shady business going on and someone is caught, it needs to be posted a long with the punishment and the punishment needs to fit the crime so to speak. I also think that if you cannot prove the infraction like this past tournament with BASS, then you let the angler finish the tournament and continue to post updates weekly till it is resolved. To many things happened bad with that whole situation. If they knew he did something wrong they should have polygraphed him prior to starting the tournament. It is my understanding that BASS knew Monday or Tuesday prior to the tournament so why let him fish the first two days. Makes BASS look shady and makes them look like they had some kind of agenda in the AOY race. Because if he was not doing good would he have still been tested? we will never know. It is just a very bad look on BASS they handled that whole issue.
I was not originally thinking this way but as along as the Open's, Toyota's, BFL's all have individual weights then I think FFS should not be used. Just because it puts the co-anglers in such an disadvantage that you will start losing participation. Now on the other hand as long as you do not have any issues with being able to get marshals for when you do not have any co-anglers then I really do not see that big of an issue. However, if you think that it is fair for a boater to have a co-angler and other boaters to have to fish with other boaters. I think that is wrong on many levels. One the boater has to give up operation of his/her boat for half the day and another big reason is you have now twice the fish to fish for, because if you are on ok fish and the guy you draw is on better fish you have a chance in many cases to stay there and keep fishing when it is your turn to run the boat.
A lot of tournaments in Europe have a set period in the day, or the competition where it is allowed. I can see it being another point of interest and excitement in pro bass fishing if, for example, it was allowed between say 11am and 1pm during competitions. The morning bite would be fished traditionally, then, when the bite frequently slows down, a "power period" where anglers can scope would see anglers tempted to try a different style of fishing and create a point of interest for viewers and commentators.
Pretty cool idea too
Practice only! Spot on Andrew👍
Not sure FFS is anymore boring to watch than bed fishing. Both are not as easy as non-anglers believe but only thing that excites people is catching not fishing. Heck if you watched the BPT team on day one this week, it was pretty boring. Not a lot of catching but day two bite was better and two teams found the pattern. Your idea certainly has merit. Equating the FFS to the camera technology and applying same rule. Any organization could follow that idea based on current rules. Would be tough to install and remove so need a solution but the hard cover thought could be the answer. Thanks for your video to inspire more ideas.
I have heard a few people discuss this as an option. I personally agree with it. I think it would be good to allow it for practice and ban it from Tournaments. I don't really have a horse in this race but that is just the way I would like to see it.
It would be fun
Very good solution. My thought was to split the schedule 1/2 with FFS & half without. Decide by a random drawing . That way both sides can fish their strengths and the ones who are the best at both will be there at the end.
This would restrict the offshore fishing immensely as these fish are suspended and moving. There would be no time to find them or ability to chase them in tournament. Your suggestion is balanced between the extreme ‘s
Good job andrew keep it up
Thanks!
That's the best idea I've heard
Someone needs to start a new tournament trail or organization that doesn’t allow FFS. Let the anglers decide what group they want to fish in.
And
Set it up like MLB. 2 leagues America and National leagues. At end of season combine the best for a fish Off and alternate the rules.
This could be interesting
Here’s my opinion/ solution. From watching the elites it seems that on the first day and even second day of the tournament there are guys power fishing on or off the bank that are competing for the win. For example, Hunter Shylock and Steve Kennedy on smith were catching them shallow and leading the first day. Over 4 days a scoper usually wins because they don’t run out of fish. So my solution is a 2 day tournament. You’d see less scoping and more power fishing. Let me know what yall think.
You would see a more even mixture, but the tournament organizations wouldn’t make as much money. At all.
That is a good compromise. It keeps the money flowing for promotions, and endorsements.
For sure
I 1000% support FFS!
I don’t think a middle ground exists at this exact point in professional fishing. Too many people expect validation of their feelings. Feelings shouldn’t matter in these type decisions.
You’re right, you can never make everyone happy so there should be a third party ethics committee for rules changes and that’s it. It’s being proven that anglers can’t come together, so put it in a third party’s hands.
Also, who cares if fishing is getting “easier” these days? Good!! Catch more dang fish because not catching them is boring for everyone! We live in an “instant gratification society” and it’s not going to change no matter what we want. If you want to slow down the “pace of play” so to speak, to keep fishing “traditional” then it’s going to die faster than it already is.
Finally, if live is that “easy” to learn then everyone can do it and it’s fair.
I agree completely. Too many egos and unwilling to work together. I agree, I have a video coming out about that as well. Professional fishing wise, they are focused more on cutting their own throats than holding the organizations accountable
Thank Andrew for your insight and I agree with you I think this is a good solution
Toledo whipping me like a Red Headed Step Child 😂 I couldn’t catch ‘em with a scuba suit and a spear gun! Stay real my brother. Appreciate you
Thanks buddy!
Honest question - how to you enforce no use in tournament, or certain days? Removing transducers/equipment may create issues. An honor system for no use in tournaments seems problematic!
At that level, most have Marshall’s. Especially BPT and Elites. I want to say NPFL has marshals as wel
@@AndrewUpshawFishingtrue, but sometimes 1/3 of the field does not have marshalls. I have marshalled 4 times myself. Could work. I like that you offered a solution instead of just whining!!
100% agree
I have used a underwater camera in practice but in muddy water it's useless and that's where FFS comes in handy. As far as tournaments go yes it's a tool no doubt about it. Does there need to be a limit on it. In some ways yes. If your fishing a shallow lakes or clear lakes I don't think it needs to be used during the tournament days. But if your fishing for smallmouth in the northern lakes and rivers then yes. I would rather see them looking at a screen instead of laying down on the deck of their boat looking through a cone to find fish. I do think there needs to be a limit on how many units you can use yes. 3 is ok for practice but not during tournament days.
Livescope is ironically better than a camera. But in essence it is no different. I think electronics should be off for the biggest prize tournaments.
Every tournament is going to have a story of some sort. But these stories are going to be predictable and boring eventually if change isn’t made.
Loving your new attitude and looking forward to more candid vids. Let’s Fish TV is awesome. I’ll be back in the Texas area soon. Maybe a colab in order
I love using it, I don't necessarily like watching someone use it. I'm not really a fan of watching someone fish unless I'm learning something. There isn't a lot to learn by watching someone stare at a screen. Just as there isn't much to learn by watching someone flipping or punching down a grass line or the bank. If there isn't much to learn and I'm going to watch someone fish, I'd rather watch them catch fish than not. That said, I'd rather see someone catch 50 fish with live imaging than 5 fish punching or flipping all day.
Agreed the issue for me is every single fish they seem to catch is using a minnow and that does get boring
Great idea!! Ffs only in practice.
I agree with you on this 👍
I do believe I understand all arguments for both sides but from my opinion, pros are pros, they should be using the most advanced Technology ,Technique, Tackle etc and show us the modern world that we can dream of. They are representing the sponsors to the highest level which make us consumer to want it. This will keep supporting the fishing industry which we always want to enjoy. With that being said, I also think that 2,3,4sometimes 5 FFS on a boat is not necessary. That’s where I believe the pros have to have morals and self manage the right amount.
All pros 100% know this debate and not just waiting for the rule to come in place, they should make the movement by them self and come up with the compromise point. I’m sure there are some pros that will not agree and be on its own and will do whatever they want but so be it! Those will some day get eliminated I the long term from the fishing fans.
Just my opinion
I’m curious to see what comes out in the next couple of weeks
Totally fine with it in practice
Use for practice only!
I think your on to something 👍
My opinion no ffs days 1&2 anything goes days 3&4 you have to fish by instinct and knowledge to make the cut and earn the privilege of using the technology in the last 2 rounds, but my real question is that if you listen to the majority of the pros even the younger guys they say that they don't enjoy using it they do it because they have to. If that's the case and the majority can't enjoy their jobs then why even have it y'all tell me????
How can you not just do half with and half without? Pic the lakes for the season then have a random draw on with or without. What am I missing?
Maybe you could. I just know they will be live streaming all days and I think it would be interesting to watch how much fans would ignore those days
@@AndrewUpshawFishing your probably right.
I’d hate to see water eliminated. Drop it 1 transducer and pick where/when the bank fishing is as good or better than offshore fishing
I like it. Good solution to me.
A good common sense solution
My opinion is no ban. Use the technology. Limit the transducers to one on the boat.
I hate the word “ban” but I am for limiting. Why could we not shrink the time on water on tournament days? Cut them in half. This prevents the time needed to spotlight bass effectively and forces power fishing.
Good idea.. Honestly its ok to limit technology when comes to sports i assume Bass fishing is a sport just imagine Aaron judge with Aluminum bat? Heck are Thursday softball league has bat rules.
Agree. There always needs to be rules and limits in all sports. It’s really what distinguishes the best of the best.
How much say do the manufacturers have in the way rules are modified by the governing bodies.
My guess would be a lot. I personally think the sponsorship from the electronics companies have become biggest sponsors. I wouldn’t even doubt there being some back door pocket padding going on with the CEO’s which would be really unfortunate for the anglers.
More rules more problems
I’m not sure this is a ffs problem I think it’s because there is so much live coverage and let’s face it fishing is boring if you watch 8 hours of it
You watch a guy throw a crank bait at a ledge or look at ffs for 8 hours 7 1/2 of it is boring
We got spoiled with 1 hour highlight shows that seemed exciting but that’s not real
Just leave it alone shut up and fish if you’re going to be the best you need to use the best equipment
Over abundance of coverage. You aren’t wrong
Yeah, but it was a lot more interesting when they switch cameras to other anglers and they were catching them with a different pattern, technique or bait. Now it’s just the same thing. I can’t watch it.
Good idea.
Andrew, say heh to Bradley. Ask him if Oklahoma has 'fallen off the world lately?' And to check if it's still there. You can't be too sure.
Mike Day concrete channel has an episode in which he demonstrates the use of a DeWalt automatic level, in order to ascertain quantities of concrete that he has to order to create his concrete floors at work. Now, that's just a guy pouring a concrete floor. Suffice it to say that it would be possible for golfing professionals to carry a DeWalt or TopCon tool as well with their golf clubs to study greens and fairways. I'm sure that, like race car drivers who 'learn' a race track in advance, that golfers must play virtual golf courses and study maps to learn them too. But at the end of the day, I haven't seen Tiger Woods out there using a lazer level, or wearing eye pieces or cyber goggles. Although I'm sure it all exists. Would people who visit Augusta Masters, or view it on television live (and for some reason 'live' golf is pretty darn watchable, even for non- golfers), would people if they saw Tiger Woods use lazer technology to help study a putt beforehand, would they approve of that? Or not? That's what's happened with bass angling, it's like having putting greens where competitors drag around nine lazers and level devices, and in fishing as audiences we're supposed to pretend 'not to notice anything different'. Like just ignore the fact that Tiger and Tiger's competitors all have stuff that beeps and blinks on their golf clubs now. Like the guys laying concrete floors. And we're supposed to pretend in fishing that it's all titally normal. That's the part about it that stuck in peoples' throats. Competitors just showed up one day with all of this stuff, and we're asked to pretend it's normal. Just totally fine.
Don't get me wrong, when I'm doing floors I want to have my DeWalt tool and I want to know how to use it. Okay. I turn on to a sports channel having done floors all week, and what I don't want to do, is watch some guy demonstrate to me how the equivalent of a lazer level for lake fishing works. Because that's just not fun.
What I'm attempting to articulate is that when it's my money, my labour and my time I'm using I tend to 'want all of the tricks and advantage' (and I could understand that if my job was to professionally 'fish' as a job, that likewise I'd see this as an extension or necessary part of my business too). Using a tool that eliminates guess work. And there in lies 'the truth'. As audiences of pro fishing we know the deal, these are full time professionals anglers on screen. However, by the same token the fun part about viewing the sport is pretending that these pro anglers are like regular guys, that one can aspire to be like. And when I see a bass angler glued constantly to their DeWalt lazer level, like the contractors I see, it just makes it harder for me as an audience viewer to pretend there is a sporting aspect to this. But I appreciate that bass anglers themselves view 'what they do', and how they go about their job, as a serious job. That's the trouble, the anglers made it so serious as to where the fun aspect got sucked out. It got stamped on, and when that happened the tournament organizations really bottled it. They were not an advocat for the joe six pack bass audience member (that's the one guy who never gets representation 'at' those angler meetings). Is the guy watching it, buying the lures and keeping it all going.
I would rather see all electronics banned than only being able to use FFS in practice. Like you can have mapping with no waypoints and 2d or you can have it all.
I could see that
That's what i have said they should do the whole time
There is a simple solution, eliminate all tournaments. I love to tournament fish, however, with all this bs with technology is getting old. All anyone sees is the back of the anglers head, whether using FFS or not. Get on board with technology or go home. These are all "professionals" and should be able to adapt. I haven't seen where any marine biologist have said it was bad, and have said we need to keep more fish.
Be honest, if you live up north are you going to watch bass live if they are on your Lakes not using livescope? With how pressured the lakes are getting I couldn't imagine watching pros struggling to catch without live what the average guy can go and catch him self.v
The star has always been the fish especially big fish and big bags if they aren’t catching what the local derby guys do viewers will go down I believe.
That’s the big question mark. But at the end of the day, I think it all comes down to scheduling
@@AndrewUpshawFishing I agree you could stop it to some extent with schedule but bass only goes where they get paid and I don’t fault them for that. I feel like to not ban the electronics you could ban certain tackle for specific events. Like take away spinning rods and line under 15 lb or whatever. I hate to do that to spinning rod Todd @toddcastledinefishing . But I feel like at the end of the day they have to be catching them or people aren’t going to watch especially with zona gone he could fill the down time and keep you entertained.
I can tell you this; I used to be glued to it before FFS started dominating. Now I can’t watch 5 mins of it. I think it’s great for practice and even me going out fishing with it to catch ‘em, but watching someone else do it is boring.
I would rather see limit in screen inches 24 in front and 24 in back and limit FFS transducers to one.
Banning during tournament's sounds like a good compromise .
Use it in practice at the higher levels but as far as the lower level tournaments...Until it's affordable to everyone it shouldn't be allowed...I realize that Lowrance has come out with an affordable version but I am betting it's no where near as good as Livescope and a 12-15" screen..
Brother, if you try to make local tournaments “fair” you are never going to be able to hold one. I don’t buy that a livescope setup is the expensive part of tournament bass fishing.
@@MJ_Bassyou said it for me. Absolutely correct. And here’s the deal, no one is going to take their live scope setup off their boat to fish the weekend derby.
So is the rumors true ? Andrew is npfl bannning it totally ? BPT gonna get too use it one period out of three ? And Bassmaster Elite one ffs transducer and 60 inches of screens that’s 5 12 inch screens or 3 16 inch screens and a 12 inch geez that’s still alot of electronics?? And what about the Opens and tackle warehouse invitationals ?
That’s exactly what I’ve heard but I’m sure something(s) will turn out slightly different. If B.A.S.S. stance says the same as the rumor it’d be a shame. The leader of the sport making the weakest changes 😑
I’ve heard the same as you. I believe there is always some “truth” to rumors, but digging through them sometimes you find some lies mixed in. I think it will get deeper than just BPT. Probably BFL and Toyota bans. Opens will have the same rules as Elites, whatever they decide is anyone’s best guess.
Or allow it but limit practice to one day and only one qualifying day. Go back to a 5 fish limit for all tournament triails … I primarily follow BPT because of Matt Stefan and Mark Daniels Jr. I find watching anglers putting up 70-100lbs on day 1 qualifying and then practice on day 2 qualifying is what makes it unwatchable. There’s no point in watching or following the top ten anglers. Rarely will I tune in for the knockout rounds.
One transducer up front. Also no tournaments during the spawn.
Disagree with no tournaments during spawn
I think only Randy doesn’t like it. I like seeing fish caught. If fish are deep, you catch more fish with it.
There’s more than Randy right noe
Lets get rid of everything but maps then we will see who catches them!
Personally I don’t like banning it in competition. I think that BPT banning it for 2 periods is a great solution, as their format encourages average fish being caught.
NPFL, who cares honestly. Maybe they ban it and get some of the whiners to participate (doubt it) and differentiate themselves from the other leagues.
For BASS I think 1 ffs transducer and 48” of screen would help the arms race slow and the sport to look more like the grassroots level. At the end of the day most viewers are fisherman themselves and they don’t mind watching a ffs event (they aren’t the vocal minority)
If people think FFS tournaments are boring, wait until another offshore tournament happens where FFS is banned 😂
I think you have a good grasp on it. I think you’re right about Bass. But I fear if that’s all Bass does, while others have severely limited/banned, I think it will go negatively for them.
@@AndrewUpshawFishing I don’t know. I think if bass just does light restrictions, they’ll suffer from extra mean internet comments, and some grouchy veteran elite anglers, but I doubt the sport suffers.
I saw a poll where they asked college anglers if they want to ban ffs and 97% said no. I think it would be foolish to ignore that the future of the sport already loves the technology.
I don’t agree with banning it but definitely limit it to one transducer
Randy blauket has been screaming this solution for a long time now... i just don't see why it can't be two leagues one with it one with out it... let the fans watch what they want to watch or both...
Because all the leagues are qualify only. You have portions of strong scopers on each and since neither work together, those guys would have to requalify for them and that’s not going to happen. I havent watched a single Blauket video after he said he should have had more wins than KVD but just lost too many fish.
Idk I like watching it and love using it but if they banned it I’d be ok with that to so whatever I just like to fish and watch it it be interesting tho
I like using it too! A lot. But I also just fish the Open’s. I understand the argument that the older pros are making too.
There's only one way to fix it and that is to ban it completely
I’ve been watching retro bass and flw fishing videos, there’s no comparison, you want membership and viewership to go up get rid of ffs
And they would, just in competition days. No one would ever see them use it in practice
I think it is a grave mistake to ban it at all. Why let anyone use it in practice but not on tournament days. Why watch NBA, NFL or PGA if I can go to the same course and do as well or better? You put on a "PRO" event, and it takes 15lb a day to win on avg and some young guy in a bass tracker aluminum with FFS catches 20 a day. He is not going watch or even respect the PRO level. So, we are in a bad spot. I say limit numbers of transducers or screen inches in total that is fine but to take it out is a mistake unless biologists can show its harming the population in some way. What I think it has done that is not disputable is that it has shown us the largest population of BASS 90% of the time are pelagic. That is why the old patterns have taken a beating. Remember the old adage "90% of the fish are in 10% of the lake"? I contend we are just now learning where that has been. Any way thanks for the discussion.
Pretty pointless to have something in practice, but cant use it when it counts.
Ban it. I enjoy fishing, not hunting for fish.
And some enjoy scoping ...... why cant we all just fish how we want ?
Not so perfect if your the two professional tournaments. As without question, every high-school & College kid is honing the FFS skills. Like it or not they are the future of the sport. PERIOD. Eliminating FFS even for a few tournaments will slowly but shirley end the pro tournaments. Kids dont care and will only fish where there is FFS tournaments.
BASS banned everything that benefited shallow water anglers years ago. I think it would be much more entertaining to allow jets, tunnels, sinking your boat, pushing your boat and changing boats to suit the venue than adding another ban. I’m sick of hearing about the A Rig ban. Scheduling can also greatly limit the effectiveness of ffs and I’ve benefited from most of my list on tidal waters in the past.
Well it has destroyed the sport for the older guys. That's for sure. Is that good?
I wouldn’t think so
I think it’s horrible for them. Those guys built this sport into what it is for the young anglers to have an opportunity to be professionals too. Just to disregard their opinions and wisdom on this issue is just disrespectful. Thank you Andrew again for seeing both sides and sharing this video/idea. It really shows your character and respect for the sport.
If they want viewers they will ban it . I haven’t watched any pro fishing in two years for that matter haven’t watched a pro video on TH-cam either.
TH-cam guys that promote it don’t subscribe
Or watch their videos
Agree, I’ve even unsubscribed to most channels where guys have been one sided on the issue. Just proves that they are all about themselves.
Watching bass live is the most boring thing ever!! I don't give a crap how you catch em!! Just so long as it is exciting or dramatic and right now it's all the same I don't care if it's on a top water senko jig and minnow or anything thing else. Commercials are more exciting and entertaining than bass live. Maybe get rid of the live weigh in and bass track and don't post results until the video is condensed into a format that is enjoyable to watch elite bass fishing is doomed. More intrigue drama and underlying drama like aoy controversy and the bass master classic as the championship to settle it all at the end. The whole thing just sucks maybe someone like you will do something about it.
I agree with this actually.
No ban. No limitations. If they think they just have to do something they could limit the MSRP value of all the equipment used, otherwise keep ffs.
Amen....
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Weird. The only sport I can think of that wants to ban technology that aids its participants. Weird.
I wouldn’t say the only sport. There are other sports that limit stuff all the time
@@AndrewUpshawFishing well ok, the only thing I can think of would be drugs that may physically enhance performance….can you give me an example?
@@AndrewUpshawFishing one more question, have you ever heard of a cheater box? Can you explain it?
Almost every single form of car/bike racing has 100’s of rules eliminating things that would make tires ‘stickier’, engines faster, aerodynamics, you name it there is a ‘limitation’. This FFS is in effect an animated camera system that can see the fish even in dirty water. This would be analogous to allowing me to use a thermal imaging drone to ‘hunt’ whitetails at night. When you see fisherman ‘not casting’ to fish because they are too small and sometimes going 10-15 minutes between casting as they search for a bigger fish it’s simply no longer fishing. Other examples there were (2) great ones on the Elites Lake Fork event where one angler hooked and lost a giant when it jumped and tossed his jerkbait. He stated that he followed that fish around for 20 minutes, waited for it to settle down and reposition itself, then started casting at it again and caught it…11 lbs (Hamner). Trey McKinney also hooked and broke off a giant fish and did the same thing catching it some 15-20 minutes later and it still had the original jerkbait in its 10 lb mouth. I’m sorry but these just aren’t examples of fishing - they are hunting down giant fish that simply can’t get away from them and their FFS.
@@manwithears355 Great explanation. Thanks
My opinion is,everyone is mad at the new anglers on the pro series,being so good with their electronics. The older tour pro’s need to adapt. Ffs. Only played a major part in win on the bass master elite’s in half the tournaments. My thoughts on growing bass fishing,is to start going to different lakes, they seem to go to the same 9 lakes every year. So my option you adapt or you will not be a pro fishermen much longer, it’s been out long enough, that everyone knows how to use it.
Amen
I say if you don’t like it don’t fish tournaments
Amen
is this guy "trolling" us? Using ffs is pathetic, esp for "pro fishermen". Just buy a playstation and get a Twitch account. Leave fishing to the adults.
Buddy I have a PlayStation and play often. It’s not the same. Trust me
@@AndrewUpshawFishing I don't trust cheaters, esp those doing it for sponsorship money and i am not your buddy.. Lie to your family however you want to justify how you pay your bills, but using ffs as a "pro" makes you scummy and your money "dirty".
Leave live sonar unlimited for the Elites/BPT, ban it in the minor league tournaments including high school and college. That way the upcoming talent has to fish “old school on instincts and learned knowledge” to compete. Elites/BPT can limit how much live sonar factors by scheduling. Live coverage also has some blame with people complaining about it being boring. Watching from take off to weigh for the whole tourney, it’s expected for a lot of down time and boring viewing no matter what technique they utilize to fish.
FFS is the bridge too far in professional bass fishing. Ban it.
Just ban it. Problem solved instead of excuses
Ban it completely simple
What’s next, going threw everyone’s tackle box to see if they are using a prototype bait that no one else has, so you can not use it
Nah. That’s stupid.
Wrong approach. The adults in the organizations need to stand up and say, "We're going to allow it. Learn it or get left behind." Or they need to just ban it and make the whiners have to whine about something else. Remember the original argument, it's too expensive. That's not true any more. Then it's too easy, it's cheating. You know it's not easy. Every argument against it falls by the wayside except that the olds don't want change.
Its a tool . But i will never spend that kind of money to catch a bass i been fishing for years. I can still go out and catch 5 bass .. do not need a video game to catch a bass. . I find it funny seeing these guys with there heads buried in a screen ..
Leave it alone. Most haters have never used it...why should their opinion matter? Fishing isn't a spectator sport.
But that’s what they need fishing to be if they want it to grow. It’s a catch 22