More Fishing Drama: Rookie Edition! (Bassmaster Elites) Ep. 185
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- In today’s show I touch on what’s been going on with me then dive deep in the Zaldain/Lowen/Bassmaster Rookie situation. What’s going on behind the scenes in the industry right now is pretty crazy and hopefully I don’t piss off too many people with my take. I do believe we have to figure out how not to have as much divide as we currently do, and it’s going to take a JOINT effort to figure out a middle ground. Professional fishing is crumbling right before our eyes.
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Good luck on your health. I hope everything turns out well for you
Trey’s response to Swindle when he went to him man to “man”, tells me all I need to know about that kid. He had the opportunity to go to the tournament director himself and didn’t do it. And has a smart ass response to a veteran who’s helped build the platform this kid is fishing in. You think that kid would self-report a violation he made inadvertently, like so many guys have done in the past?? No chance. Have no respect for that. Don’t care how good he can ‘scope. Definitely didn’t help the rookie class.
You NAILED IT! That Zaldain/Lowen video rubbed me the wrong way. I left them a comment saying that too. Bill basically accused some of the rookies of cheating. I'm a 53 year old- old schooler. I'm not anti FFS. I embrace the changes. There is a changing of the guard in the PRO ranks and the old timers are having a hard time with it.
Those type podcasts do nothing but divide the Tournament fishing community even further.
Who knows, maybe the called UNION meeting of all the anglers will straighten these ROOKIES out. 😉😁 (That's a little sarcasm for those that don't get it.)
I enjoyed your UNION comment, lol.
Hell I hope all tournaments go broke. Then maybe the average guy who wants to carry his sons out and catch a few bass for fun on Kentucky lake. And I’ve been bass fishing for 50 years. This shit is out of hand.
As far as the Rookies go, they didn’t do anything illegal and people need to get over it. They were within the rules and that’s it.
I just have to say that I truly enjoyed watching the tournament on the St. John's river. We got to see what happens when scoping isn't very useful. They scopers were nowhere to be seen. A lot of people said that these guys would still catch em without scoping, guess not! Still a fan of old school
Bed fishing...LOLOLOL Old school fishing... The guys in Salt Springs were using their FFS to see the fish before being able to see them with their eyes. Go back and watch the video. DUH!!!!!
What most people are missing is most of those guys are single thus it allows them to spend copious amounts of time on the water. It's similar to Malcolm's Gladwells' ten thousand hour rule. Many of the elders of the sport always said nothing beats time on the water and most of the rookies are showing that's what it takes. Hours and hours, honing their craft.
Fishing is just like our country, DIVIDED. I have lost all interest in professional fishing. It's like playing your teenage son on the x box, he's gonna kick you ass.
Well put!
These veterans are doing a hell of a job making me root for roster turnover and the rookie class.
Established elights are on the mountain. The new class is trying to get there climbing the mountain. They are more hungry.Your telling me a guy getting info is better than a guy who's been fishing these same lakes every year. Come on man, your getting outworked. Period.
Great video man! This is wild times in the industry and sad to see these old heads complaining about technology they had for YEARS... Get more rookies on the elites and old heads outttt
It’s not the rookie thing, the FBD thing or the FFS thing that’s turning me off. It’s the so called fans of the sport and the constant complaining about any and EVERYTHING these days plus the big names that keep stoking the fire with posts and podcasts for views, clicks and comments that are turning me off. The majority of us fish because we love it and compete not only for the competition but the fellowship that comes with it. Take the fellowship out of it and have me fish and surround myself with negativity and it’s no longer fun.
Agree Andrew getting info only helps for one season if it helps can't do it next year. The older guys have been to a lot of the lakes numerous times so I think it equals out. Hope you get to feeling better.
Hope you feel better soon!
Great take on it. As a fan I’m tired of all the drama. Just wish everyone would shut up and fish. The Swindle and Trey deal needs to go away.
Its all sour grapes! Every elite angler on the Elites had that same window to gather info prior to stating their season.
These rookies ran tha gauntlet of 9 tourneys against 200+ boat fields,and made it through. You got the best out there ....and now they are Elite anglers. I would say that BASS achieved their intention.
Heck all the rookies now only have to fish against half as big of field than the opens had. Thats a boost compaired to what they were used to. FFS is here to stay. 30 yrs ago. I asked myself why couldnt they mount a Vexilar transducer to face sidways.....🤔and here we are. My 2 cents
No the elites did not have the same window to gather info as the rookies. I think that’s the main complaint. Because they weren’t qualified for the elites when the schedules came out. So some of the anglers doing well in the standings who may have had a good chance to make it could gather info since the schedule was out and they hadn’t qualified at that point.
Bullshit
@@Justin.Hawkins Such a Negative Nellie.
No they didnt. They had the cutoff, the Open guys didnt. Kinda that simple. FFS is going to change, the rules are getting changed for off limits/Opens.
The elite anglers didn’t have the same window though, that’s the whole point. Plus these guys were literally paying for coordinates, that’s pretty shitty.
Great video and outlook That Trey M. Is a hammer
Good luck with your health stuff. That's bad stuff.
Old guys are jealous that these young guys have nothing to do but fish. Let's run and spend a month at lake before it's off limits. It's the reason most anglers performance peaks in their early 30s. Then come kids, and responsibilities that keep them from being on the water 300 days a year. Couple new tech with being on the water 300 plus days a year, no wonder it's tough to beat these young guys.
Most of the old guys had to work to support a family they didn’t have time in the water. Everything they learned it was the hard way. Most of them weren’t born into money. And that’s what it all comes down to. The money will have the advantage
This is a great take. Everyone is entitled to their opinion on Technology and where they want to see the sport go. When grown men’s egos cause them to personally attack these successful, young, articulate and hard working young anglers, it makes it difficult to support them. Instead of whining, crying, and making excuses, they need to get their asses on the water and expand their game. Like any sport, if you’re stagnant, you moving backward.
I think the major issue was the guys already on the Elite series had restrictions once the schedule was released and the rookies were able to keep getting information, way points, etc for an additional 2 months.
@@kevinaltice2911 No it's not don't let them fool you they are fighting for their jobs and this will continue to get even uglier!
@@kevinaltice2911 but for everyone to come out and say they live in grey area isn’t right. They arnt breaking rules. It’s been this way forever. There’s a great talented class this year. And yes. Great with the tech too. It’s a dbl punch. And the older guys are looking out for there careers. There will be 9 more coming every year going forward. Fishing is changing. That’s for sure.
Staring at a screen is not hard work.
@@spothunter1376 Then why can't the veteran's do it????????????????????????????????
Andrew, you always have a great take on things! I hope you feel better!
If nobody’s scared and we all know these rookies will be good without FFs. Then what’s one good reason to keep it in competition?! I’ve heard every rookie say they ain’t scared. Let’s see!
They all have FFS sink or swim.
Amen! Let’s see
Greetings from the BIG SKY of Montana.
Hey at least the rookies are keeping their pants on unlike someone 🤣
I just had my gallbladder removed in February. I had a gallstone blocking my bile duct and caused all kind of problems. Hope you get better quick
I’m honestly cool with forward facing, and I’m one that prefers to not use it, I’m good with it, just been an extra tool for me to target structure and fish I would have missed on spots that I would have fished without it. My issue is there has to be a limit, like I think where it’s at is as far as it should go bc I promise you in 10 years from now if nothing is done you will literally be able to see exactly what fish is what, and what size that fish is, hell AI will probably tell you , guaranteed, and that is 100% fact. That’s not fishing, there is a reason now you see on any tournament level young anglers are doing great. Also one livescope on front and limit on screens has to be done at bare minimum on professional level, that includes the minor leagues if you will ie opens and etc. I hope one league steps up and does this, would be an amazing step. You shouldn’t be called a pro bc you have or can afford an electronic device to catch fish.
So true on beware of the future technologies! We will definitely see increases in the cost, the capabilities and the potential individual customization for those that can spend for it. Imagine a boat designed with multiple flush transducer pockets around the hull, and the hull designed so that a lake can be mapped at higher speed than now for large fish, aided by AI to interpret the data, sort it and list the waypoints of the top 10 biggest bass. With transducers all around the system can alert you when another fish above a selected size shows up behind you. Forget those silly transducers on a stick! At some point they will add separate computers to sort the sonar data, and professionals will hire programmers to refine the data even better. This ride will continue, guaranteed, so get ready to pick when you decide jump off the train of rising cost and technology.
I stay out of the trees when the moon is full around here, unless I'm armed.
Bill Lowen saying “I work hard but I have sponsor and family commitments that these young guys don’t have”. Well some of them are sleeping in the back of their truck and are on the road for almost the whole time the tour is going. And also complain about a loop hole they used. For information, Blame B.A.S.S. not the angler.
It was insane. Two sentences after he was wildly offended at the suggestion he was getting out worked, fully admitted he doesn’t spend as much time on the water.
Also him suggesting fall derbies to avoid ffs showed he doesn’t understand it at all.
Get well ,keep keeping on
Great take! Social media is a terrible place!!
This is the question I’d liked asked: specifically to the Elites that are upset at Rookies, who did not operate in the grey area, but well within the rules of getting information before officially making the Elite series. What is the difference from what the Elite series pros have done FOREVER when it comes to getting info from a buddy before the day 2 cut is complete. It happens every single tournament, and you hear them thank their buddy who didn’t make the 50 or 10 cut, on stage! In most instances the guy who knows he isn’t going to make the cut gives whatever juice he has to his buddy before “officially” being eliminated from the tournament.
I’ll argue all day long, that info, good or bad, is irrelevant (he didn’t make the cut, he’s not on anything) is way more valuable than the 5-8 month old stuff gained by the rookie coming out of the opens.
I’ll say this…. I believe the rule change for opens EQ anglers getting info on lakes once the Elite schedule is out is the right move. But, if that’s the case, then the Elites need to look in the mirror and hold themselves to the same level of integrity when it comes to operating in the “grey” area and receiving info from guys they know aren’t going to make the cut…. Almost impossible to police!
Dude realy hope everything works out for you ! Your a great dude ! Your health is needed in order to fish ! Keep us posted ! 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 peace buddy!😊
Great advice.
Good stuff Andrew. Not the first time Zaldains title choice has gotten him shredded.
Bill Lowen hasn't caught em in 10 years and he's crying.
Thanks andrew these kids are fishing 300 days a year and don't have girlfriends. Take care of yourself
Greetings from the BIG SKY. I have to agree with the passing of a label from Brandon to Easton.
get well...great vid
Good luck on your surgery Andrew, I will pray for you buddy
I honestly think you cold make more fishing local tournaments
Maybe MLF and Bass should have a seniors tour like pro golf.I know some get exemptions to fish the Elites but it's hard to watch the old timers go out and rarely make a cut.Look at Biffle,he's over at the NPFL and struggles every tournament.I know the have no cut's in that circuit but when you go in the 3rd day and 50 pounds out of the money,it really don't help the sponsors much since they never get cameras in their boats.Another thing is the NPFL don't have a farm team circuit to qualify.Just pay the entry and sign up for 6 derbys.The electronics they are bitching about today will be obsolete in a couple years anyway.Always drama!! lol
I had my gallbladder removed in November after a long time with issues. It’s been some relief, and I’ve learned how to manage it.
Now to fishing…you pretty much nailed it, the new guys are just following the rules, don’t like it have BASS change the rules..don’t be a jerk to the rookies because you are having a crappy year. Also I’ve said it all along. BASS has asked for this, they did it. Because they have them fishing 9 qualifying tournaments, all over the country against 200+ guys….They earned it. If you can make it through that then you can fish point blank!!
I think some of the veterans should maybe talk to some of the rookies off to the side, you know don't try and call them out in public with an attitude toward them, because how they treat and act toward them now could really effect the way their attitudes are years to come. They will see the way they were treated and probably do the same to rookies when they become the veterans of the sport. I'd say if they did talk to them they would find out that alot of them are scared and uncertain about things and just need to know that some of the older anglers are there for them instead of feeling like everyone is against them. But what do I know.
As far as BASS banned so many things in their first 20 years it would make your head spin. If Roland or Randy tried it they banned it!
Older fishermen just need to realize change is how the world works. Don't me mad at a rookie because he's 19 and kicking their teeth in. Let me sat this I'm from this horrible fishing state of Illinois. If Trey can win angler of the year here. He can definitely fish.
I fished with Trey in his 1st bfl, he took 3rd ans we was flipping bushes and trees with no ffs use, he's really good and a good young man
Yup!!! 8 minute mark. Thank you!
I wish you would do more of these.
Man you are so correct, I’m tired of the complaining and disrespect, if you beat them join them with getting your FFS game up
Maybe the old heads just aren't really that good of anglers after all. This is just proving it week after week... They have had time to adapt to FFS, still can't compete. LOL
The people complaining about the young guys had just as much time to learn FFS as the rookies did so they shouldn't be complaining now because they didn't. Good luck with your health issues Andrew.
I love FFS
Andrew u been on the opens way too long but I don't hear u complaining. Or pointing fingers at anyone. Is it just a difference in people. Because you are someone who has a right to complain.
That’s a great point! I’ve had some insanely close years and some lackluster years, that’s just part of the game. Regardless what others do, I still have to go catch them. It’s on ME. No one else can catch them for me. Don’t get me wrong, I have bad days like anyone, but when I do bad, it’s because I sucked and they didn’t lol
Prayers for your health going forward. FFS is the bridge too far in the highest levels of pro fishing, Elite, BPT, AAA levels.
yeah, well this new group of rookies will be staying in because they have deep pockets. Do you have a new breed when they’re out there buying $100,000 it’s $50,000 trucks 50,000 tackle running the whole tour they got money and that’s the one key thing is you’ve got all the high school and college anglers you’ll be able to fill the tours out because I got deep pockets so these guys may last 3456 years cause I’m not gonna have to work if they don’t want to deal so maybe there’s gonna be more competition more tournaments for different circuits for different people the biggest issue is, we’re not even talking about anglers with the technology. What about the kayakers and small boats are loading up their kayaks and 34 graphs you think that’s gonna be great for the fishingagain, I want to see fisherman on lakes, not tech, geeks, and electronics and then toss over two lure and start ripping them
🙏🙏 for your health
This is a tough discussion. I can see both sides of the coin for sure.
Evolve or fail ✅
Push the rules limits ✅
Also
One trick ponies ✅
Black or white rules ✅
Not sure there is a right or wrong answer here
Don't you think getting 500 waypoints of boulders/stumps and even a little info of key areas to focus on makes a huge difference? Guys at that level are so good and if you give them that kind of info it saves them a ton of time prefishing where now they can use that time to dial exactly what the fish are doing in that area.
if they didn’t have the 500 GPS coordinates from other anglers on other tours fishing those areas they’d have to find their own fish for instance guy fishing on the bass pro tour can share information with the guys on the bass elite tours during the 30 days or don’t you think that information is crossing over from local regionals what about pro staffs they traded if they’re inside the tournament again technology too much information too much time on the water camping out a lot of things again it’s a winter takeoff mentality with very limited such a rules everything subject to interpretation any other sport would not be considered to be a sport
This shit kills me. Do the old heads know the waypoints?.... yes. Do the old heads have livescope?......yes. Then why the hell aren't they doing as well? It comes down to the same thing it was 20 years ago. Time on the water and drive. The old heads are simply getting out worked.
Those rookies using FFS don’t know what work on the water is. Probably never will unless the game is taken away. Take it off their boats and they’ll find out real quick what’s it’s like to work your ass off on the water.
@@BrianSousa1 Nonsense...
@@jimoconnor8597 yeah you don’t know. Amateur hour!!!
@@BrianSousa1 LOL Says a non-elite, non-pro angler. What about John Garrett (rookie) on Harris Chain? Pure luck, wire-to-wire win??? Rookie whipping some veteran ass. The new rookies came through the Opens, the hardest way to get into the Elites, according to EVERYONE. Young guys are cashing checks and make these old farts look sad. I'm 61 and I absolutely LOVE it!!!!
@@jimoconnor8597 non elite non pro?? What’s that? I’ve forgot more about fishing than you’ll ever know boy. Your 61 and you love it, maybe your another limp wrist snowflake from the closet. Definitely something going on between your ears.
You should have stopped back there at Hemphill BBQ instead of going to Brookeshires. LoL!! The only comment I have is about your comment of learning to fish next to other boats by watching them do it. I know it happens but you and I also know often the guys agree to share a spot. Obviously that is not always the case as shown with Randy Haynes and Jason Lambert in that FLW tournament. Or even the KVD and Ike “you’re not part of the community” incident. In the end, they are all there to make a living fishing and should not treat the rookies like freshmen coming into high school or college. They have fishing skills without a doubt but they need some guidance from the veterans instead of off the water negativity towards them. There are two sides to the Trey McKinney/Gerald Swindle incident but you yourself know how it sucks to have to report another angler for violating a rule. When Gerald told Trey about it and explained it was in the briefing even though it wasn’t a marked no-wake zone, Trey should have at least brought it up to the director instead of acting like Gerald was being a tattle tale or a sore loser. Sorry I didn’t plan to make such a long post and you may have more incite on the examples I have brought up.
I can say from experiences that the pros elite or mlf get info or hire guides prior to a tournament. The selling of information on websites from guides is also hurting the integrity of the sport. But anytime money is involved morals and values go out the window for MOST. My opinion is this I don't need a cheat sheet to weld I've been doing it forever and at the top of my game. I don't think the guys at the top level of fishing should be using ffs to compete it needs to have some kind of regulation at the top levels. For instance let them use ffs to practice but when it comes to competition days no ffs allowed. Just like a test in school use whatever tool is necessary to learn what you need to know but when it comes time to take the test your on your own.
Great video. But you’re completely wrong about the same guy’s catching em.
Enjoyed your take. The rookie situation maybe miss placed and should be toward BASS and the rules. On FFS if it keeps progressing, we well not have a sport be we will have a video game and the viewers will be gone. Hope everything goes well with your health issues and you back to 100 percent will soon.
In todays age of technology and information, kids are way better than when i was a kid. I know quite a few teenage anglers that are my friends' kids, and they are killing it at our local little lakes, and when they get on big bodies of water, they're good at targeting fish. My point is today's generation is a different breed with or without way points or FFS. Also, if you're not scoping, you're hoping in tournaments nowadays. Thats why i stopped, i can't afford FFS, and you can't compete in them without it and be consistent.
My connections with MLF have implied FFS will be limited.
Limited to one unit, won't fix anything. Limited to a few lakes might.
@@Gunrunner223 It's that way already! Some lake it doesn't come into play. Fish are shallow or sight fishing.
The thing with me is I'm not impressed with how most is winning, it seems, "non important". BASS could cure all there problems just by changing the tournament titles " 2024 Whataburger Bassmaster Elite FFS Tournament at Wheeler Lake"
Try carnivore bro! Fixed my gut!
I’ve never heard anyone propose this FFS limit. You get to use it in half of the tournaments but you pick which ones. So it’s different for some people what lakes they use it on and also every fisherman has to showcase his skills with and without the latest tech.
That might work. I just hate never seeing anyone flip a jig, or punch a mat, or crank a ledge. It's minnow baits and fairy wands. Thats not my thing. I like figuring fish out. I may not catch a ton, but if I figure something out, I'm happy. These rookies with FFS, breaking single day records, hitting the 100 lb club, is nuts. They can't catch fish without the scope
@@Gunrunner223 I don’t know if they can’t catch fish without it but I’m sure they can’t possibly be thaaaat good without it, how could they be? It’s all they do! I agree though for sure, the whole sport IMO is about finding fish and getting them to bite. Being able to watch them react in real time 20ft deep and then knowing they are reacting to a certain bait so knowing for sure to keep casting that bait in the same place, it’s crazy man, it’s just an extra advantage that takes it too far overboard. The sport to me is man vs wild, man vs fish, if it has no chance to see your movements then you shouldn’t be able to see its movements. That’s my opinion, it’s not the same sport. It’s something! But it’s not the same sport.
There’s absolutely no reason for a pro fisherman to have that crap on their boat. I thought they caught them pretty good without it, that’s what makes them the best right?? If someone can explain to me why they need $50,000 worth of screens and transducers on their boat to catch a damn fish I’m all ears. I believe there’s a huge split coming because of it and it’s not going to be good for B.A.S.S.
TH-cam has all the videos of all the guys arguing on the water and fishing their spots.
The old guys have had the club to there self for long time, now some younger guys coming in taking thete spots they want change.. thev want to pay less entry and get more payback ..
I like your take on it Andrew. I say let’s test the / your theory and see if they can catch them without FFS. I mean, that is the argument everywhere. I’m really sick of everything being about the youth these days. All do respect to them, but somebody paved the way for them and it was the older guys. Turn them off and let’s watch. God bless on your health.
The anti FFS anglers had a chance at Lanier (the no FFS tournament) to make a statement. The FFS guys kicked ass. It's time for a big turnover of anglers that EARNED their way to the top circuits.
@@TheFishdoctor1952 who won that tournament again??
@@BrianSousa1 A livescoper without the aid of livescope. One of the Johnston boys
@@TheFishdoctor1952 The Johnston boys are hardly livescopers slick. Yes they do it, but those boys can do it all, unlock your little video game playing boys.
Zaldians wife tree is the biggest shit stirrer in fishing,she gets those old has beens over to their trailer and fills em with negativity ,poor Chris he seems a little two faced also.I don’t know him personally though so just my opinion! Get well soon
Exactly
Get well soon Andrew. All the controversy will die down in a few years when the old generation that can't hack the pace anymore are replaced by the new generation. That's the way it works in every sport, fishing is no different.
It's never, ever been that way. Rick Clunn was winning in early 70s, and won a few years ago. Nothing has ever came along, that runs off the old anglers. Nothing. Things have changed over the years, but it was still figure out where they might be, and throw baits all day. Now, troll until you find a school, and pick them off. The young guys even call their shots. That's not fishing, that's catching. I hate it. Call me old fashioned, but I'm for casting blind where your knowledge tells you, they should be.
@@Gunrunner223 Times change faster now due to the information age. There is no longer an apprenticeship to learning the basics. All the focus on FFS is missing the huge impact the internet has had on the sharing of info,techniques, baits etc. People that couldn't find their own arse with both hands never mind fish can now rock up straight to an area, fresh or salt and know they are in the right spot before they start before they even switch the FFS on.
Current technology is similar to what commercial fishermen use and i am no fan of being able to see the fish no matter the depth they are in but if people want to remain competitive they have no choice but to move with the times or fall behind.
They are learning all this in high school tournaments about sportsmanship from there boat captains most do a great job but not everyone is a good captain
Chatgpt comes to mind as as comparison. It would be similar if a group of seasoned and successful authors that had worked for years on their craft are all of the sudden getting outsold my people using chatgpt to generate work. One couldn't help be feel slapped in the face. I understand why the veteran anglers are upset about where this has evolved to. With that said I don't think the young guys are doing anything wrong. They are just fishing how they were brought up in the age of FFS.
I have thought that the reaction to the A rig was a bit overboard.
I also believe that the reaction to the a rig was to harsh but you have to think that they will ban that but allow ffs on the pro circuit ! Makes you wonder who is running that show
@@shanebridges4388 Never was legal in the Elites
@@shanebridges4388 The rules have always stated "a single lure". The A rig is a multiple lure. It ain't rocket science.
@@TheFishdoctor1952 your missing the point , compared to ffs the Alabama rig was minuscule
@@shanebridges4388 People that react to circumstances get that result.
Bill lost me on this one all the way! These guys are just upset they are getting owned by rookies, that's all! Not a good look being a cry baby 😢
First thing that's got to happen if they're for FFS or against it the word BAN has to stop being used. It's a negative word that's more times than not associated with a negative situation that results in a negative outcome. There has to be limits in all activities that people participate in. Otherwise with the advancement in technology which by the way is to improve to make easier to make more comfortable more efficient and effective with whatever it may be that it's used for then whichever sport it's in will either change or go away. Every other sport or activity that has a competion aspect to it has had to and does limit certain things rules or devices so that the sport is either at level playing field and or each participant has equal chance at success. It's not as hard as it's being drawn out to be. Think about what if one Nascar team had more money and there were no limits on what they could do to the car or put in it. And you can use that example in all other sports. the FFS makers do not advertise their product claiming to make things harder , no they advertise it makes it easier so in turn it makes finding and catching fish easier plain and simple. Now someone will say it doesn't make it easier to catch the fish. But in reality it does when you consider all that FFs does for an angler. This could be the longest worded comment in youtube history if I tried explaing it all. Make yourself neutral and think about this . Lets say a guy is 20 yrs old now lets just say he only started fishing in a boat at 15 yrs of age. That's 5 years . I'm in no way saying these young guys aren't good anglers because they are or at very least good at a certain way of angling. There is no way ecspecialy in the sport of Bass fishing or any fishing for that matter a person is going to be able to have gain enough knowledge as a 45 yr old that's had 20 or more years of seat time on the water. Could go on and on for example one part of competive fishing is to locate the fish not troll around on high spotlighting them . Yes one could say well that's locating and that type person would be what the problem is . We have to be realistic about it. Be like a kids Eater egg hunt at night and only a few kids had flashlights. Yes I know all anglers have same FFS so it should be fair but with that logic then the sport as we know it would have to change in many ways. It's not about old versus young it's about the sport of Bass fishing period and it's fututre. Why can't MBL players use aluminum bats. Oh but they do in College at College level . Ok then you can have levels as we already do High School College andv the Opens but when you get to the Senior level as it's called in Golf then FFs isn't allowed. Are anglers allowed to take an AguaView to the St Lawerence and it's crystal clear waters and drop it down where does it end. I'll tell you who's dropping the ball on this one and it's whoever on competition committee but those folks and the higher ups are seeing dollars signs flying away in the form of the FFS manufactures. If it's not dealt with the right way and with a logical thinking mind soon it will either change the sport as we now know it forever or eliminate it period. This generation is soft and in denial when it comes to certain things just call it how it is see it for what it is black nis black white is white theres no in between . dam transgender my ass . God made Man and Woman period and now when I go to fill out paperwork i have to choose as my gender either male female or other. Well the other is who isn't nipping this issue in the bud period. Naw what I just said has nothing to do with fishing!!! Well ya break it down it kinda does my friend. Clear your mind close your eyes and think for second. The youth of this country will one day be running this country and making the decisions all while growing up thinking whats wrong is right . I'm so thankful I was able to live in the last real unsoft ass times
Hunting banned spot lights, hunting banned drones. Nothing wrong with banning, as Hank Parker said. He's used it. Fishing a dock, and all of a sudden the bass leaves. He spins the trolling motor, and sees the bass hanging out in 20 ft, suspended. That bass wasn't catchable before FFS. Now, they can swim, but they can't hide. Just like drone hunting. They can run, but they can't hide. Ban it for the sake of the bass.
@@Gunrunner223 your thinking of it and seeing it in a realistic way man. It's as if lot are in denial or just don't want to call it like it is. At the very least ya gotten have some restrictions or limitations I mean we have restrictions and limits limitations all over the outdoor sports of hunting and fishing already and without them there would be no hunting and fishing or it wouldn't be what we have today. If nothing is done or no restrictions are put in place and the tech just grows more I can't imagine what they would be like in 20 40 years. I read where they are already working on some units that will incorporate AI. was on youtube just type something like AI used in fishing electronics or something lol . Yeah you have common sense
They will still catch them this reminds me when the new guys came into nascar Dale and Rusty didn't like it hell I didn't like it but the outcome was the same time moves on and things change!
They are mad because it has always been extremely hard to get kicked off the top tier of the leagues. They always vote for things so they can stay longer or or less spots to open for new guys to come up. It seems that they are running out of ways to make sure they stay up there. The info thing hinders you more often than it helps you tgats just a fact. Hope you figure out your health and get back at it.
Best part of TH-cam is the comments 😃👍
Ffs is just a tool like spotlock or fluorocarbon. You still have to find the fish,once you find them you have to have skills to catch them. Everybody has ffs but Everybody doesn't win a tournament. It's a different winner every tournament. It's who finds the right school of fish like its always been.
no no no
on murray
one of them caught a bed fish and it was hook on the back of the bass
even Zona said it on live
he needs to put it back in the lake
Which angler was it?
@@TheFishdoctor1952 jt
Nobody said anyone was cheating. They were just addressing whether the rule needed to be addressed. Regardless all the drama and ffs is killing the sport. Im personally sick of this bs high school drama from "professional" anglers.
JEALOUSY is the biggest driver of this conversation and no one can admit it. Us older guys need to be careful talking trash about the young anglers because if they ever get rid of,or limit ffs we are going to look stupid when these kids beat us at our own game. The young guys may struggle without ffs but they would adapt really quick because a 16 year old kid without ffs today is a much better angler than a 16 year old 5 years ago because of all the information at their fingertips.
Well let’s get rid of it and find out, you’ll be educated real quick I guarantee you that.
They ort to bring the umbrella rig back FFS is no different
FFS is legal fine use it, can we start on the same page and agree its too new to truly know if its a detriment to the fisheries, you can say things are always moving forward but does that mean for the better? If its allowed in the rules then sure use it but dont tell me every new technology that comes is gonna be a positive for the actual fisheries it may help the fisherman but thats not what should always be the concern, hope your health improves!
I wonder if this video would hold up in court to ticket you for using your cellphone while driving 🤔
Oops. Maybe we should have never freed Brittny
Being nice doesnt cost anything.
Convince Swindler that !!!!!!!
Andrew common sense is not welcome in this conversation. You. and Panger and Ish should be the complainers. But not one of you guy's are saying any complaints. It's guy's who have already made the Elites and I don't get it.
All those older anglers should be embarrassed. Acting like crybabies. I’m a 60 year old siding with the rookies.
It is FFS and its going to go away or Pro fishin is headed to a bad place.
I'm losing alot of respect from the older guys making up excuses. So much information out there to learn new tricks to the trade.
Seems like the you tubers create more drama than there really is.
Andrew,
FFS is not traditional bass fishing. How do think the old heads are going react? It’s putting an end to their careers. It will be banned in the next two years for tournaments because of the public outrage. Mark it down. Like the channel. Get healthy.
If they ban FFS, the rookies will not be in the money. If they cut it down to one transducer, one screen, they will not miss a beat.
I hate not seeing any diversity in styles, and baits. I hate what fishing is becoming with FFS. Nothing has ever came along, that will run off all the greats of the sport. This will. Guys that won a few years ago, will be gone within 2 years. The whole series will be young guys. Period
A box of hammers...you just don't know it yet....
And why is it evolving because of forward facing sonar. Take forward facing sonar out of the equation and level the playing field these rookies would not be having the amount of success that they are. I'm one of those that wants it gone it has no place in tournament bass fishing.
Fishing is not evolving
Electronics evolving
I’m not sure why people have a hard time understanding this
Take away Electronics and see what happens
FFS is chicken shit fishing
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This is easy take away forward facing sonar . Most fisherman today I know from experience would be totally lost. I fish tournaments not in the elites , but others as a co angler. Co anglers don’t have a chance. I hope they don’t change it I don’t fish in any tournaments with pros any more it’s a joke . Pros even come to the phoenix league with forward facing to steal the purses there. The real deal is the companies that makes the forward facing sonar put to much money into the sport of fishing like your sponsor do. Tell the truth now forward facing Sonar is going nowhere because of that . There is much better tournaments out there besides MlF FLW Etc Easy to find fish them fellow fishermen.
being shredded by trolls only means being shredded to trolls. Just prove you can compete without FFS, individually, or stop whining.
How about the rookies being rude to the veterans?
Examples please.
More the opposite for sure...