"DADA speaks with you, it is everything, it envelops everything, it belongs to every religion, can be neither victory or defeat, it lives in space and not in time." (Francis Picabia)
I see so many of you discussing which soundtrack to have but I suggest you watch it without any. The pictures in themselves create a beautiful rhythm, and it honestly feels like you're having a meditation session...
Discs with inscriptions are revolving slowlier than you have to get on with reading to finish, so that your eyeballs are forced to move spirally inward. Meanwhile the discs with spirals don't force your eyes into moving at all. A great paradox!
This is one of those songs you listen to when you let someone go that doesnt love you or died or want to look back on what was or what might have been when a sunset is happening. 😃
Anémic Cinéma è un film sperimentale dell'artista Marcel Duchamp del 1926, con la collaborazione di Man Ray Anteprima nazionale: 1926 Regista: Marcel Duchamp Durata: 7 minuti Cinematografia: Man Ray Genere: Cortometraggio
Knowing this was a silent film when it was made I watched with the sound off. Did not listen to the soundtrack, and from what I gather from the comments it's a good thing I did. Love Duchamp! His work is absorbing, amusing, and very beautiful. One of the top 5 artists of the 20th century, IMHO.
To watch this film without Duchamp's intended score is like looking at half of a painting. The music Svato mentioned would be facinating to hear. Since this Dada work is a commentary on the hypnotic nature of "le cinema" my best guess is that the score would enhance that intended effect. That's the logical conjecture. But Dada was certainly "illogical", so...
This film was intended not to have a soundtrack at all, according to my uni teacher. The goal was to explore the rhythm created by the pictures: the film has a music in itself...
Thanks for sharing. This work was made by Rrose Sélavy, the female alter ego of Marcel Duchamp (her name is on the film credits at the end), in case you want to correct (or add) to the title.
The rotoreliefs are very much about motion. They were intended to spin about, like in the video. That's how there displayed in galeries. As such, they are a form of kinetic art. Let me know if you disagree and we'll go from there.
The urinal was Duchamp marching forth, bravely, with the possibility of an artist not creating art, but simply choosing art. It's conceptual. Logically it leads to the idea that anyone can be an artist, and also the idea that any THING can be art. While being and important statement, this in my opinion,has led to much "bad" art.
@FourteenInTheMAking Thank you so much for taking the time to respond to my inquiry! This clip is terribly interesting...I am sure it was thoroughly enjoyed in it's time, and still holds a certain trippy simplicity today. I like both versions of your translation. I could see that ''Myself, I had the lives in spiral'' could take on many poetic meanings. Then again, so could "La bite en spirale" I suppose :) Again, let me thank you...your translation enhanced this video enormously!
Film diretto nel 1926 dal pittore Marcel Duchamp ed esempio importante di rapporto tra cinema e dada: il "Dada" è un movimento artistico e letterario sorto a Zurigo nel 1915, caratterizzato da una diffusa protesta, di stampo nichilista, nei confronti della cultura occidentale, espressa soprattutto contro il militarismo durante e dopo la prima guerra mondiale.
You listen to Pink Floyd? anyway, you're welcome, this effect can fit with other videos, try it Put a some movie or whatever and play a song you think can "Fit"
For those times was a great contribution that did Marcel Duchamp , well in advance and misunderstood by many people , I am working to overcome it and bring art to the infinite dimension.
Part three- Also, I DO imagine these visuals would work a lot of psychedelic music, including psy-trance. However, you can get a better feel for the artistic and intellectual aesthetic of the piece if you watch it with the sounds of cage - for the reasons stated above. Best wishes to you all :) And remember, art is truly a wonderful thing - let's venture into it's abyss without contempt ;)
The music is contemporary. I would assume that the film was originally a silent film, and for this DVD collection, music was composed...? Would anyone happen to know if there was ever original music?
I am in love with this video! It is so fascinating. I think the music goes perfectly...it gives one the feeling of anticipation. I wish I could read what those lines said though...is it translated anywhere?
I don't think there is any translation for these. They are spoonerisms so they only make sense in french. I could translate it for you if you want to, altough, your comment is 9 years old and you would see that the sentences dont make much sense.
this comment is 10 years old but I have one translation! "Bains de gros thé pour grains de beauté sans trop de bengué" is "baths of vulgar tea for beauty marks without too much bengay" -- idk what this means but it sounds interesting
I agree, but this is the music provided on the Avant Garde Cinema of the 20's & 30's DVD release. If you have a problem contact Kino Video or turn off the sound.
La musique est composé et interprété par Donald Sosin. Donald Sosin et Joanna Seaton proposent et interprètent des musiques pour les films silencieux. Leur site: silent-film-music (TH-cam refuse les hyperliens dans les commentaires...) Important: A l'origine, la projection de Anemic Cinema était silencieux!
This is the music from the avant-garde film collection that included several "lost" films on DVD. More important, where are the subtitles that are included on the disc automatically?
It's whatever you see. That's the whole point, and Duchamp's whole "message" if you will, the uniqueness of individual vision. But the music bugs. Mute it and watch.
Nice, but I must say I prefer the installations, colour really adds to this piece. I think what's interesting about this piece and it's related installations, when it's compared to Duchamps more famous work, is that it's so aesthetically pleasing. Personally I find it quite fulfilling to know Duchamp wasn't all ready-mades, chess and stubborn disinterest.
I second, or third, the motion to turn the music off when watching this. I'm shocked that Kino would add a soundtrack to it. The reason to turn off the soundtrack is not whether you like the music or not. It's pleasant enough. But do you go to the Louvre to look at the Mona Lisa wearing earbuds listening to Leo Kottke? If there were sound available in 1926, Duchamp *MIGHT* have added sound. But it wouldn't have been this, that's for sure. This is his work and it should be viewed like he made it.
Part three- The rotoreliefs are much different then the urinal. They work on the level of "effect" rather then "cause" (which was more the point of the urinal - if not THE point)
@expatleanie Also, I don't think many people in the 11th century listened to music too often, since there was no recording technology as of yet, and peasants were in general too poor to affort musical instruments and/or musical education at the time. Not to mention that they usually died at the age of around 30.
@gianbiv:@gianbiv : veramente su una cosa devo contraddirti,Rrose Sèlavy non riguarda per niente la firma del primo corto di Marcel, perchè l'opera in discussione si riferisce ad una foto, dove Duchamp è ritratto in vesti femminili,dalla la foto emergono elementi importanti, le mani non sono le sue ma bensì della moglie di PICABIA', e la foto è stata appunto scattata da PICABIA', come gli stessi vestiti che indossa sono della moglie dello stesso. E' una foto dedicata appunto all'eros per la vita
Part one- I am fond of Duchamp as well. He was a big advocate of the idea of chance. I think part of his genius lies in his ability to use chance principle and still arrive at something wonderful - however, these rotoreliefs seem to be highly calculated.
Thanx for the comments reaffirming my theory. I couldn't believe that this music was originally intended to be put with the video. It just sounded too contemporary. Is it supposed to be silent?
Los textos de las espirales, dada su aletoriedad parecen haber sido creados con la técnica del cadáver exquisito, método creativo, típico del dadaísmo.
I looked it up. This music and the film were planned and originally meant to be together, but they worked on it seperately, and unfortunately, the music was much longer and the composer wanted about 16 player pianos... It would be incredibly difficult to sync with the film at that time. So, I'm pretty sure it premiered silent, and has been shown with other, as you put it, "avant-garde" music. Finally, the two compositions were married in the late 90's.
At the risk of disagreeing, I seriously disagree : Ifound it fabulous, the movie as well as the music. And since when does an artist have to do pieces that fit with his work ? That's his work, right ? then it fits.
"Rrose Sélavy", così firmò il suo corto Marcel, con un gioco di parole su "Eros, c'est la vie", e con un altro anagramma creò il titolo: anémic=cinéma. In maniera provocatoria e ludica rompeva con il concetto tradizionale di cinema come arte visiva e narrativa : il suo è un cinema assolutamente libero, slegato dal senso, che pone il caso e l'immaginazione alla base della creazione artistica, in linea con le idee dissacratorie delle avanguardie artistiche, specie Dada. Ma la musica??Di chi è?
@expatleanie Thankyou. For bringing up a valid and sound point. However, it is Irrelevant and has nothing to do with my previous statement. This has nothing to do with my taste in music, but the fact that this is a visual work of art, originally created with no sound. The fact that it is being spliced with someone else than the creator's music diminishes its value. Also, the music doen't seem to correlate wit the artist's intentions or style at all. Still... The mute button isn't far off.
Part one I agree that watching the urinal why listening to Beethoven would be ridiculous!!!... But to relate the urinal piece to the rotoreliefs in the way that are is mis-understanding the ideas, and differences, of the two pieces.
I wonder how Duchamp would feel about ads used on his videos.
He’d probly love it tbh
"DADA speaks with you, it is everything, it envelops everything, it belongs to every religion, can be neither victory or defeat, it lives in space and not in time."
(Francis Picabia)
I see so many of you discussing which soundtrack to have but I suggest you watch it without any. The pictures in themselves create a beautiful rhythm, and it honestly feels like you're having a meditation session...
Discs with inscriptions are revolving slowlier than you have to get on with reading to finish, so that your eyeballs are forced to move spirally inward. Meanwhile the discs with spirals don't force your eyes into moving at all. A great paradox!
This is one of those songs you listen to when you let someone go that doesnt love you or died or want to look back on what was or what might have been when a sunset is happening. 😃
Anémic Cinéma è un film sperimentale dell'artista Marcel Duchamp del 1926, con la collaborazione di Man Ray
Anteprima nazionale: 1926
Regista: Marcel Duchamp
Durata: 7 minuti
Cinematografia: Man Ray
Genere: Cortometraggio
I'm not an expert, but for me, this music suits the video quite well, it gives a nostalgic feeling.
Knowing this was a silent film when it was made I watched with the sound off. Did not listen to the soundtrack, and from what I gather from the comments it's a good thing I did.
Love Duchamp! His work is absorbing, amusing, and very beautiful. One of the top 5 artists of the 20th century, IMHO.
Silent movies where (almost) never watched without live audio at that time, this is a misconception.
There's no sense in much that I see these days.
The essence of dada.
Although I was, more so, responding to your comment:
"I think this place has attracted more critics that artists."
To watch this film without Duchamp's intended score is like looking at half of a painting. The music Svato mentioned would be facinating to hear. Since this Dada work is a commentary on the hypnotic nature of "le cinema" my best guess is that the score would enhance that intended effect. That's the logical conjecture. But Dada was certainly "illogical", so...
NORMAN - THEY EVEN USE THIS GARBAGE SCORE WHEN IT IS AIRED ON THE CLASSICAL ARTS SHOWCASE CHANNEL.......
#imsosmart
This film was intended not to have a soundtrack at all, according to my uni teacher. The goal was to explore the rhythm created by the pictures: the film has a music in itself...
Thanks for sharing. This work was made by Rrose Sélavy, the female alter ego of Marcel Duchamp (her name is on the film credits at the end), in case you want to correct (or add) to the title.
Thank you so much for uploading
@FourteenInTheMAking
Thank you so much! I absolutely love the translation! It makes this video so poetic. Cheers!
The texts on the spirals, given their randomness, seem to have been created with the exquisite corpse technique, a creative method typical of Dadaism.
The rotoreliefs are very much about motion. They were intended to spin about, like in the video. That's how there displayed in galeries. As such, they are a form of kinetic art.
Let me know if you disagree and we'll go from there.
Magnificent ... Beautiful .... Whimsical
The urinal was Duchamp marching forth, bravely, with the possibility of an artist not creating art, but simply choosing art. It's conceptual. Logically it leads to the idea that anyone can be an artist, and also the idea that any THING can be art. While being and important statement, this in my opinion,has led to much "bad" art.
@FourteenInTheMAking
Thank you so much for taking the time to respond to my inquiry! This clip is terribly interesting...I am sure it was thoroughly enjoyed in it's time, and still holds a certain trippy simplicity today. I like both versions of your translation. I could see that ''Myself, I had the lives in spiral'' could take on many poetic meanings. Then again, so could "La bite en spirale" I suppose :) Again, let me thank you...your translation enhanced this video enormously!
Just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in.
art will never die.....
I cannot understand French, but this was sublime. Unlike some other people in the comments, I actually liked the soundtrack. I think it was fitting
Film diretto nel 1926 dal pittore Marcel Duchamp ed esempio importante di rapporto tra cinema e dada: il "Dada" è un movimento artistico e letterario sorto a Zurigo nel 1915, caratterizzato da una diffusa protesta, di stampo nichilista, nei confronti della cultura occidentale, espressa soprattutto contro il militarismo durante e dopo la prima guerra mondiale.
for a most interesting experience, I turn off the video music and open another youtube player an put the song "corrosion in the pink room
Dude! thank you soooo much!you offered such a splendid trip! That shit was ON POINT! Thank you so much!
You listen to Pink Floyd? anyway, you're welcome, this effect can fit with other videos, try it Put a some movie or whatever and play a song you think can "Fit"
this was seriously a BRILLIANT! move on your part. Now I'm adding this to every silent avant guarde movie from now on. thank you
jaja, I doing the same
I do the same. I watch a video and listen to music
Thanks to the uploader. Music is annoying but easily mutable. I can't believe Kino did this!
If you are chocked that a discussion on art's context got heated, then you probably haven't had many worthwhile discussions on art... or Duchamp.
For those times was a great contribution that did Marcel Duchamp , well in advance and misunderstood by many people , I am working to overcome it and bring art to the infinite dimension.
The music is nice and fits well. It isn't as chaotic as dada itself, but enjoyable with this film.
Part three-
Also, I DO imagine these visuals would work a lot of psychedelic music, including psy-trance. However, you can get a better feel for the artistic and intellectual aesthetic of the piece if you watch it with the sounds of cage - for the reasons stated above.
Best wishes to you all :) And remember, art is truly a wonderful thing - let's venture into it's abyss without contempt ;)
Icroyable bravo marcel!
"Larry Marotta: Silent Movie Soundtracks Vol. 1:
Solo guitar scores for the silent films Anemic Cinema (1926, Marcel Duchamp)".
Perfect match: Marcel Duchamp images and Tracy Chapman music (or whatever).
this work was actually authored by Rrose Selavy :) Marcel Duchamps' alter persona
Why this unnecessary soundtrack? I just don't get it.
+max bruno there's a button;)
Yes, thumbs down.
The music is contemporary. I would assume that the film was originally a silent film, and for this DVD collection, music was composed...? Would anyone happen to know if there was ever original music?
I finally found it! The musician is Larry Marotta (look for him in myspace) :]
I am in love with this video! It is so fascinating. I think the music goes perfectly...it gives one the feeling of anticipation. I wish I could read what those lines said though...is it translated anywhere?
I don't think there is any translation for these. They are spoonerisms so they only make sense in french. I could translate it for you if you want to, altough, your comment is 9 years old and you would see that the sentences dont make much sense.
@@candicepouilly3033 Not the original commenter but can you translate the sentences? A bit curious.
@@candicepouilly3033 8 months later, but u started it
i would also be interested if you feel like doing it some time lol
this comment is 10 years old but I have one translation! "Bains de gros thé pour grains de beauté sans
trop de bengué" is "baths of vulgar tea for beauty marks without too much bengay" -- idk what this means but it sounds interesting
@@ericamessics5871 thank you so much!! That is so interesting! 10 years was worth the wait to get an answer. Lol 📽🎞
I agree, but this is the music provided on the Avant Garde Cinema of the 20's & 30's DVD release. If you have a problem contact Kino Video or turn off the sound.
this film doesn\t need any music, especially not one, which would add a kitch type of sentiment.
Radio-Londres, 14 ans avant.
It's the soundtrack that comes with the DVD.
La musique est composé et interprété par Donald Sosin.
Donald Sosin et Joanna Seaton proposent et interprètent des musiques pour les films silencieux.
Leur site: silent-film-music (TH-cam refuse les hyperliens dans les commentaires...)
Important:
A l'origine, la projection de Anemic Cinema était silencieux!
I just saw this at the Cleveland Art Museum and it had subtitles in English which made it quite interesting for those not familiar with French
Marita Petrosky Yeah, but with English Subtitles you can't get the puns!
Wow, 3D!
La musica non è male di per sè, ma non penso proprio che l'autore dell'opera avrebbe mai scelto qualcosa di simile....
Alberto Marcantonio James lee byars
The music is composed by a man named Donald Sosin, who's a well-known silent film composer. Try to Google his name.
terrible music, what happened to the original sound?
It was originally silent, so the original music was just silence
The electric guitar was a respose to the aestehtic desires expressed by these artists, it apt.
This is the music from the avant-garde film collection that included several "lost" films on DVD. More important, where are the subtitles that are included on the disc automatically?
It's whatever you see. That's the whole point, and Duchamp's whole "message" if you will, the uniqueness of individual vision.
But the music bugs. Mute it and watch.
Nice, but I must say I prefer the installations, colour really adds to this piece. I think what's interesting about this piece and it's related installations, when it's compared to Duchamps more famous work, is that it's so aesthetically pleasing. Personally I find it quite fulfilling to know Duchamp wasn't all ready-mades, chess and stubborn disinterest.
but the music 🎶 is not from 1920's France. Just being picky, sorry. Do love that you made this available.
I love. ♥
I second, or third, the motion to turn the music off when watching this. I'm shocked that Kino would add a soundtrack to it. The reason to turn off the soundtrack is not whether you like the music or not. It's pleasant enough. But do you go to the Louvre to look at the Mona Lisa wearing earbuds listening to Leo Kottke? If there were sound available in 1926, Duchamp *MIGHT* have added sound. But it wouldn't have been this, that's for sure. This is his work and it should be viewed like he made it.
Part three-
The rotoreliefs are much different then the urinal. They work on the level of "effect" rather then "cause" (which was more the point of the urinal - if not THE point)
And for 1926, this music is just so visionnaire.
Merci Marcel (et Man Ray, très probablement).
Anemic is a good title for this. Sorry, I know this is a classic, and avant garde for the time, but....
Gostei demais ;)
O cara é cult demais
love it
2:42 Ubisoft! xD
But seriously, it's not impossible that Ubisoft was inspired by ... that to create its logo.
Linda música!
Rrose Sélavy aka "Eros c'est la vie", Eros is life ;) :)
Music Ruins it. I go now.
I can see where the record label " Vertigo " got their artwork inspiration from. so maybe some Black sabbath for the soundtrack ?
That it was a distraction, or "doodle", is beside the point.
One thing, isn't dadaism about mixing things that have nothing in common? And question the preset order?
@expatleanie Also, I don't think many people in the 11th century listened to music too often, since there was no recording technology as of yet, and peasants were in general too poor to affort musical instruments and/or musical education at the time. Not to mention that they usually died at the age of around 30.
Love Ryan Larkin!!!!!
a Good Canadian!!!!!
great vid!!!
@gianbiv:@gianbiv : veramente su una cosa devo contraddirti,Rrose Sèlavy non riguarda per niente la firma del primo corto di Marcel, perchè l'opera in discussione si riferisce ad una foto, dove Duchamp è ritratto in vesti femminili,dalla la foto emergono elementi importanti, le mani non sono le sue ma bensì della moglie di PICABIA', e la foto è stata appunto scattata da PICABIA', come gli stessi vestiti che indossa sono della moglie dello stesso. E' una foto dedicata appunto all'eros per la vita
Just great!
Part one-
I am fond of Duchamp as well. He was a big advocate of the idea of chance. I think part of his genius lies in his ability to use chance principle and still arrive at something wonderful - however, these rotoreliefs seem to be highly calculated.
oh my god, you guys are awesome. I love you. XD
Thanx for the comments reaffirming my theory. I couldn't believe that this music was originally intended to be put with the video. It just sounded too contemporary. Is it supposed to be silent?
Los textos de las espirales, dada su aletoriedad parecen haber sido creados con la técnica del cadáver exquisito, método creativo, típico del dadaísmo.
Indeed, my friend.
I looked it up. This music and the film were planned and originally meant to be together, but they worked on it seperately, and unfortunately, the music was much longer and the composer wanted about 16 player pianos... It would be incredibly difficult to sync with the film at that time.
So, I'm pretty sure it premiered silent, and has been shown with other, as you put it, "avant-garde" music. Finally, the two compositions were married in the late 90's.
Where can I find this song? PLEASE HELP!
Increible.
Superb.
@benmeyk yes i really don't know why you couldn't have just muted it and moved on
@selshaffei It's Explosions in the Sky!!!! Don't know the title of the song off-hand.
Music
Larry Marotta - Anemic Cinema
At the risk of disagreeing, I seriously disagree : Ifound it fabulous, the movie as well as the music.
And since when does an artist have to do pieces that fit with his work ?
That's his work, right ? then it fits.
Duchamp was a futurist (amongst other things) so he would prefer a futuristic sound. Psychedelic-Trance. Check-Mate.
Did anyone think to turn the volume.... off?
do you have the tablature for this guitar piece
I want to learn it
I wish death was like this
@dgivy 5:19 = '' Among our articles of lazy hardware, we recommend the faucet that stops flowing when you don't listen to it. ''
"Rrose Sélavy", così firmò il suo corto Marcel, con un gioco di parole su "Eros, c'est la vie", e con un altro anagramma creò il titolo: anémic=cinéma. In maniera provocatoria e ludica rompeva con il concetto tradizionale di cinema come arte visiva e narrativa : il suo è un cinema assolutamente libero, slegato dal senso, che pone il caso e l'immaginazione alla base della creazione artistica, in linea con le idee dissacratorie delle avanguardie artistiche, specie Dada. Ma la musica??Di chi è?
Is this the original music? The first couple of bars sound like "Corduroy" by Pearl Jam. I wonder if this was an influence.
is this a suitable visualization of pos -rock twinkle guitar music?
curiously, at the end of the film comes the credit: music composed and performed by Donald Sosin.
I agree. Some John Cage, Schaeffer, or even one of Duchamp's pieces.
@expatleanie Thankyou. For bringing up a valid and sound point. However, it is Irrelevant and has nothing to do with my previous statement.
This has nothing to do with my taste in music, but the fact that this is a visual work of art, originally created with no sound.
The fact that it is being spliced with someone else than the creator's music diminishes its value.
Also, the music doen't seem to correlate wit the artist's intentions or style at all.
Still... The mute button isn't far off.
Part one
I agree that watching the urinal why listening to Beethoven would be ridiculous!!!... But to relate the urinal piece to the rotoreliefs in the way that are is mis-understanding the ideas, and differences, of the two pieces.
Cual es el nombre de la canción?? whats the name of the song?
@OutlandsCommunity "ceci n'est pas une pipe" is by magritte ;-)
I agree that the music doesn't work with the visuals. I saw one of these with the music of John Cage and it worked wonderfully.
Where can I find a translation? I don't read french!
Solomente l'Italiana...
Do you have the Original work to upload ? Without this soundtrack? Thanks !!
whats up with the music? it has nothing to do with the movie.