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When you see a 1/23 tweet about an eSports team, you know it's gonna be cinema
Korean fans have trucks. Western fans have 1/23 tweets.
Underrated reply right here LOL
Esp when he did a 1/19 before and theres still space to do a 1/23 XDDD
Caps: "We're picking Vayne guys"
FNC coach:"We're leaving Yone open guys"
Dom ranting on FNC is literally my favourite thing on the internet love it
Fnc fan here:
Same.
Idk his rant vs NA teams at worlds as still better imo
Dom vs fnc is the new thorin vs tsm
nah it's only second to him vs MDK fans
I love Sam being like “Oh Yeah Caps and Rekkles didn’t say anything bad” - Caps literally made an entire video about why Fnatic is a dumpster fire and why he was leaving.
FYI: Caps and Rekkles both had the issue with fnatic not working on improving themselves and the players, Rekkles had an issue with fnc acting in his face and not telling him that they decided to bench him, only when he left for home he got a call saying he is benched (the very next day).
Rekkles had an issue with everyone (and vice-versa). If you have an issue with literally everyone it means you're the problem (not the rest of the world) and you can't be taken seriously because what you say doesn't hold enough weight, no matter how right you might be in some instance.
@@KristinaBlabla well thats just not true. Players like Broxah, Nemesis, Wunder, Hylli still speak highly of him.
The problem is that Rekkles sees his job purely as a job. After working hours he likes to spend his time the way he wants.
This mentality collided with players who like to hang out after working hours (like the G2 roster he was in).
I feel thats also a reason why he went to t1a since in countries like Korea, they have a complete other work- mentality that suits Rekkles his personality more
@@KristinaBlablaTons of players liked Rekkles. He had issues on G2 and most of that was because he lived separate from the team and had conflicting ideas on how to play the game (All the crap Striker said about him was basically a lie or blown out of proportion because he was angry he got fired).
Fnatic were dysfunctional AF. Everything Rekkles said, Caps and Bwipo both said as well.
@@PeoplePleaser578 no idea what striker said about rekkles, was talking about other players which would no doubt say a lot more but can't or won't because they don't want the drama/have contracts that prevent it. i mean, when the entire team and coaches agree on how to play the game/work together/shift things when needed and you can't come to terms with not being the center of the universe all the time and forcefully keep pulling things to your side when it's not in the best interest of anyone and even when it visibly doesn't work and then ruin games/matches/competitions/work enviroment? sounds like a huge-ass issue to me work-wise, relationship-wise, everything-wise.
I don't disagree that Fnc was/is dysfunctional, just that when rekkles says/said it, it's hard to believe considering his behavior in a team setting and huge-ass ego.
bwipo's word will either be credible or not depending on what he says about his own performance in worlds and how he goes on about it.
caps I can believe since he never had any drama and talks level-headed even when it's not scripted.
what you said can be like "oh, shame he doesn't wanna hang out after" but that definitely wasn't the reason why players said he was hard to work with and other things about his character. just replied to someone a couple of minutes ago so that'd be my answer to you as well, check it out if you're curious.
5:56 stop Dom. You got way to real there for a second and it scared me. You literally described my experience spot on, for a moment I legit thought you were talking about me specifically 😭
Me too. I miss the Broxah days.
@@Niick3015Bro I miss Soaz Cyanide xPeke Rekkles Yellowstar
Same here...
@@chetricker yupp those were the golden days😭
We're dying 😮💨 and the fucking stubborn management is just aarrghhh
3:50 I do actually think that if your coaching staff is incompetent like this you should put them on blast, privately and publicly. Otherwise you keep things underwraps and nothing will ever change or improve. „Calling them out“ which jun did mildly will lead to fans pressuring the team like in this twitter thread and force the team to change or atleast respond and acknowledge the situation. It is pretty fucked if they plan on banning yone and then last second ON STAGE decide against it without previously informing their players.
Nah, this is true if they were already out of the tournament, but keep in mind they still are competing in Worlds and now all the chances of FNC somehow making it out of swiss are gone. The atmosphere must be unbearable right now within the team even though they try to act chill.
Not to mention Jun's been out of korea for about 10 months, English isn't his first language so publically blasting them probably isnt something he would feel comfortable doing.
@@steven-xb7rf tbh they should do what professional athletes do during big tournaments and not go on social media, then they wouldn't (they would still have an idea) know the the extent of the heat in the back. They could focus on the job at hand. Also FNC's chances aren't gone, I understand why you say that but there is still a chance lol. As for OP, I disagree, I don't think there is a need to call them out. You're not paid for that. You signed up to FNC, do your time and hop to a new team, FNC should learn when no-one wants to sign for them, but still there is just professionalism to stick to.
@@zakrs130 "You signed up to FNC, do your time and hop to a new team" _Literally_ paycheck-stealing mentality right there, lmao.
@@mrmcawesome9746 carrying out your duties and leaving a team you claim to be dysfunctional is pay check stealing? So best to rot in a team you think is dragging everyone down than to leave?
Dom mate you hit the nail on the head, im FNC fan for the exact reason you stated, i feel for them like a home soccer team. And yeah keeping expectations low is a must
Nemesis still getting labelled as "toxic" or "hard to work with" for not being a fan of FNC management.
Nemesis also build himself a cozy ivory tower, because he passed on the chance to play for a lower team and prove everyone wrong.
FNC being a shitty org and Nemesis being an anti social edgy teenager are not mutually exclusive
@@Mizzurani You really take FNC management at their word after 3 years of repeated drama and dishonesty around them every season
@@PassivesAbseits That might have been a mistake, but from what I've heard he mainly got offered from desperate orgs since he was borderline blacklisted by FNC doing esports petty politics
@@ariex0a No i just looked at his streams and watched him talk.
I still have no issues on Jun's comment even if not properly translated fully. I feel if this is what happened can understand his frustration, and yeah you def need to ban Yone against Creme. Sure he criticized the coaching staff, but he didnt pull a dardoch in terms of flaming his team.
I cannot fathom why Dardo still has a job. 6 years of absolute mediocrity with ZERO results. GMs in any other sport get fired for much less.
6:10 is still the reason why I'm rooting for fnc. It hurts but I keep on coping every year in hopes that it gets better
aye....same
Same, we're masochistic
That makes you insane and delusional. Congratulations!
@@slitzitv2875 That makes you insane and delusional. Congratulations!
Aye, bring on the rollar coaster
I’m not even a FNC fan and I’ve been over this team forever. My buddy is a diehard fan and they just keep letting him down, I can’t even rub it in his face anymore because it’s just sad lmao.
Yeah, even if you do the pain is miniscule compared to what this team already did to their own fans
As a FNC fan that just can't let that last speck of hope die, I can tell you that the only certainty about FNC is that they will always fumble at critical points.
been fan of this org since 2014, i had pleasure watching them when they ruled over europe and made 2 worlds semifinals. saw lows like season 6 when they didnt even qualify for worlds, or winter split season 13 when they were so shit they havent made playoffs first time in org history. with this years msi loss to team liqiud they have lost their first series to na team first time in org history. not to mention the ridiculous losses to g2 in split finals, or many series where they led 2-0 just to lose 3-2.
in earlier days the org always found replacements for the leaving players. season 1 team won worlds > season 2 they do bad > season 3 good new team > season 4 same team > season 5 good new team > season 6 they do bad > season 7 they kinda do bad > season 8 good new team > season 9 nemesis for caps
after season 9 something has changed in this org and it looks like fnatic lost its soul or whatever u wanna call it. this org has always found way to build up a new team and be successful, now at this rate i feel like im not gonna see fnatic win another split in a near future
what this org needs is to hire a spy and look how a real, good organized team like g2 is being handled. the day caps chose to join g2 was the day fnatic got doomed. letting the best player not only in the role, but in the whole region go, has cost them next 5 years of 0 splits won.
how do u let that happen, when back in 2018, when caps left for g2, fnatic was still the most decorated eu org?
as caps said himself, g2 had better perspectives to let him win international trophies - this right here lets people know that something within the fnatic is rotten and needs to be changed.
fast forward 5 years since caps left, fnatic havent won 1 split since his departure, and they are trying to win lec with korean import botlane, when fnatic never in their history had import botlane.
they had amazing success with import huni and reignover going undefeated split during summer 2015 and reaching semifinals at worlds that year, but these imports were one in a lifetime jackpots, that left the org when the season ended anyway.
what this org needs is to give up on import botlane and look for regional talents from lec teams. the whole team needs to be restructurized, and if it was up to me i would only leave razork. humanoid had enough time to prove himself the last 3 years and its time to say goodbye. import botlane doesnt work good for the whole team communication. oscar just isnt it.
build the team, starting with razork, looking for talented players in the lec.
I was a fan of Fnatic when I saw the famous backdoor at IEM Katowice live. Later I simply fell in love with Caps and swapped teams as he did. And I'm happy for that.
Tell me where you finds talents nowadays in EU XD I can think only of Jackies and hes stuck in GX
The issue is there isn't much better available that isnt already contrated. A lot of people say that the Razork/Humanoid combo has run its course and needs a new midlaner. But who? Jackies is with GX, Larseen is with Rogue and anyone else wouldnt be a side-grade at best. Do you want to try and get Perkz and give him another shot given his disastrous last few years? The sad part is that its already been leaked that Fnatic is resigning Oscarinin for 2 more years. Im sorry but if you have a 4K gold lead on renekton and you still look invisible in a game makes you not the best player. Any Asian toplaner in that position takes over that game. I dont even like them but Brokenblade or Adam would take over the game with that kind of lead. Oscar is not the player to be building around but Dardo and Fnatic management seem to think otherwise.
Yeah, I feel the same... I'm so mad I liked FNC more than I liked Caps when he switched. I'd have been a G2 fan and life would be good. Now I have to watch Dardo and co massacre my boys year after year.
I would so happily take a year or two of rebuilding, maybe even missing worlds, of that means a genuine restructuring and rebuild
We need more players that call out horrible coaching publicly. The wishy washy bullshit helps no one
Yes but the caveat being when fans start speculating with that lol
I think in the corporate chart of fnatic there is a line that says something that's more or less "if there is no drama by the end of each of your worlds runs, the org has to disband" or something
Agree with Dom here. Unironically, and speaking from first hand experience
FNC fans today are pretty much CLG fans 2 years ago. Either you're flat out delusional, or you are one of the true die hards who just accept that their team is shit right now, like trad sports fans cheering their local team regardless of success
wait till they see oscar renewing for 2 more years
I was not aware about the fact that nightshare is Freeze's twin.
It's actually insane that the coaching staff pulled such a stunt at the world championship. Don't they have some kind of meeting before the game where they go over the potential strategies and drafts that's going to be used. That's actually the bare minimum that you would expect from your coaching team. This includes communicating said strategies to the players and making sure everyone is on the same page.
did bro actually say there hasnt been any drama in fnatic since 2019 @7:16 or am i misunderstanding the tweet?
because if thats what he is saying that might be the most delusional comment i have ever seen, Fnatic has been nothing but drama.
No that is what he said. That’s what he says every year that there is no drama and the whole thing is made up by “bad players” who got replaced.
upset and adam just 2 yearsago right?
(tin foil hat on) I'm sure some people would pay good money to see fnc leave Yone open. Especially if they then bet against them.
Idk if you can bet about pick and bans but that could be one of the reason they changed the draft last minute.
It’s not like this never happened at Worlds. It happened quite recently with a PCS team
@@aaawa2074 I think what they mean is that people would bet money on fnatic losing
6:00 as an old FNC ( 2012-2018) i can confirm that the only reason im keep fallowing the team is because of the good old days, its so blatantly that the couching staff and environment and FNC has been extremely dysfunctional for years now.
As someone how been ranked in the top 1% in league for over a decade now im getting the feeling that any success that this team has found in recent times is when the players themselves individually popped off. While the systematic approach to the game has been fundamentally "wrong" .
And lets not talk about their drafts, out of all major regions FNC has had the biggest amount criminally bad drafts, to the point people unaffiliated to the them would be able to come up with better drafts on the spot.
Im pretty sure I've got Stockholm Syndrome as a FNC LOL fan. I live in Oceania so I have to wake up at 3AM to watch these games and I watch all of them, the cope I need to keep doing this is crazy
I’m in that position with FNC started watching in 2016 summer and they were shit so the did a huge rebuild around Rekkles bringing young EU players in like Caps and got better and better over multiple years and genuinely could or maybe should have won worlds but they completely chocked in the final. Once my favourite players like Rekkles and Caps left I was fucked didn’t want to support another team so I’m stuck with this shit they then bring back Rekkles and even tho he struggled they threw out their legendary ADC not giving him a decent team or chance to show his worth form is temporary class is permanent and he get thrown out like he meant nothing to the fans or history of the region and team literally being the greatest ADC in the regions history, It’s all management and the coaches FNC is being ran by imbeciles who don’t want to win I would implode everything after worlds and restart the whole LoL operations from scratch.
As a Fnatic fan, if you want to see something funny, see the series where we threw the 2-0 against TES and the most recent ones. 5 completely different players yet over forcing plays left and right in both cases
6:00 Dom straight up just described me.
I watch and I don't even cheer that much vs a good team, I am just waiting for them to lose.
being a FNC fan is basically being a Man United fan
Kinda in a way, but we don't place that low in the domestic league (yet)
Permanent Banter era
imagine being fan of both...
Bro fnc are not that weak KEKW
5:57 thats so on point
Right, leaving up yone could’ve been fine if you had a draft plan like Fly with players who play those champs. Or something similar, but fanatic doesn’t play late game teams and doesn’t play the necessary champs to punish the yone give.
Imagine where FNC started in league esports - and where its now...
an absolute horror; I was a fan way back then, the org seemed to care about their players and about getting better - sure stuff didnt always work out, but thats just how it is.
Many orgs/teams suffered a lot from the gradual shift from a fun player focused environment of the early seasons - NA with TSM CLG rivalries and the players being 99% of what the team is.
To this now multi million dollar companies being managed by people who dont know what a caster minion is... which is natural - but this sterilization just sucks especially for orgs/teams that had so much ridding on their personalities and their image based on that. FNC in the xpeke, huni, rekkless, cyanide days was more focused on the game and doing well then now where "sure a win is nice but how is the stock value?". Thats a big part about how the league esports becomes less appealing, add to that that many pros are also just boring, sure its not their job to be fun and entertaining, but personality was a core part of the fun of early league esports.
With all of that going well for FNC for years, having Rekkles, one of the most liked players as their face - they had it all... and now this;
Poor play - some of the players are liked NOW but we all remember when people wanted them all sacked a year ago. The management is poor, disliked and ineffective at dealing with anything.
Its a miracle and mostly based on the total collapse of the LEC players that they are even doing so well in their region, with all these burdens and issues.
Far from performing or cultivating progression or even a positive image in the scene. FNC is just carried by 1. the boomer fans that still hope for the wonders of S5 or S8 and 2. their standing in the esport scene and all the connection and money they have.
Very sad this could be so much more... maybe someday, lets not have a TSM or CLG part 3.
Dom dropping the R-bomb for the first time in what feels like years means he is serio! Watch out boiz!!
IN THE WORKSSSSSSSS
The reason Caps is in G2 is because he realized he'd _NEVER_ achieve anything on FNC.
Rekkles got treated so poorly in the end that he took off to Korea, and seems to be super happy playing for T1's academy team.
Probably the most level headed fnc fan out there
They straight up need Sam to not inaterfere with teams and get a good manager in place of dardo who has delivered failures for 5 years straight.
It takes a really poorly managed org to make fnatic fans seem reasonable
Been a fan since 2015. Fnatic is a name that has ambition to challenge internationally. We all know a worlds win is a bit far out for the west as a whole, but 2018 and 2019 happened. We’ve played good and close series before even if we usually end up short
If current fnc were to win the next LEC split I’d have no faith in EU internationally. The way fnatic is currently run there’s no way they beat G2 unless G2 implodes.
Losing to G2 more often than not is ok. Not being at the top anymore is ok. But the name Fnatic demands to fight for the top in europe, and right now it ain’t really a fight and hasn’t been for a hot minute
This type of content is dope! Cover League/Esports news!
FNC went to shit when rekkless left and I’ve been following FNC for a good 12years
If you were still a FNC fan after the upset/adam thing, regardless of which side you're on, you had to have accepted that as a FNC fan, you don't matter to them. Enjoy.
5:57
I've followed FNC since season 3 like, what am I just going to wake up one day and decide I actually like G2 or BDS?
Nah
Idk why no one saw this when xPeke left
8:26 bro forgot about TSM 💀
Bro forgot nemesis
Matthews is just a CEO from Wish, AliExpress
Fnatic died to me after Season 5. I will always remember Xpeke/Cyanide/sOAZ/Rekkles/Yellowstar/Huni/Reignover.
FNC does way too much changes for an esports org and the one in charge is too silly. Like historically letting go Deilor, Dylan Falco, YoungBack, Caps, Rekkles to G2, Nemesis, Bwipo, Upset, all of them key players or staff at one point, a lot of them left cuz bad team environment or seeking other opportunities that should've been given to them, it was always bad. The current team is good but the issues have been like this for a long time and they still haven't figured it out, surely they won't let Razork or Jun go the next season right? Or change the entire roster
The TSM and T1 of Europe
Team has been downhill since the REkkles drama
All I know is that fnatic is joking about it with that video to pretend like that's not what actually happened, that kind of psychological games won't work
being a fnc fan is like being a tsm fan
being a FNC fan becuase of previous much better rosters and now just riding on the name? ohh boy thats me right there
isn't itw interview ?
Give me an TLDR. I ain’t watching all that
Sam Matthew’s (Fnatics owner) defending Dardo and pretending nothing is wrong and every player who has ever left just wasn’t good enough and it was nothing to do with management.
Random dude on Twitter wrote 23 tweets and brought evidence to show Sam was full of it.
Based fan haha, I knew Fnatic was doomed as soon as Dardo was in charge, remember Origen? it was a fantastic team until Dardo came along, Idk how he has kept his job during all these years :V
He's Matthew's lover in disguise
y he’s the problem not razork being a toxic fulltime a**hole to his teammates
@@ariel______ bahahahahaa you're funny
ITW is interview.
FNC is the TSM of LEC
Fnc is much bigger not comparable
1/23 ->i ain't reading all that
i'm happy for u tho
or sorry that happened
I can't be bothered with this anymore. In the entire history of both western leagues, as soon as we have a strong roster for world stage, it immediately gets sold for profits of team managers. Every. Single. Time. We never won anything internationally but we could have numerous times. CLG was insane at one point, disbanded. FNC was insane at one point, disbanded. G2 was insane at one point, disbanded. C9 was insane at one point, disbanded. I don't even care at this point...
I dont think the case with G2 2019 was anything to do with bad team management. Those players had played with each other for so many years and it had naturally run it's course. Perkz wanted to go back to playing mid, which obviously meant he had to go to a different team. Wunder didnt really perform like he did around 2017 - 2019 again. Mikyx was in a major slump.
g2 didn't really disband though. 2019 roster collapsed, because perkz didn't want to play adc anymore. They're kinda the only ones really trying i feel.
And this Fnatic team is pretty good.. they just need good leadership and coaching.. they demolished G2 but threw 3 fcking games in a row.. they were winning in all those 3 games until one throw happened and they lose.. the player talents is there.. this is a good team.. but the leadership is lacking so hard... That's the issue of coaching and not the players..
I usually disagree with FNC fanbase reactions, this time they are right though
23 tweets about an esports team... jesus christ
Im sorry but didnt this guy say he wouldnt cover LEC teams no more?
It seems most of my feed from Him is about LEC teams😂
Caedrel will coach FNC one day 🔥
ah yes a fnatic classic
10:20 can someone please share with me those dotesports and youtube links? I went to that guy's twitter, but he has me blocked (even though I literally can't remember ever interacting with him lol)
Isnt TSM the answer for 11th statement?
True yeah
FNC been a joke org ever since they let caps walk to G2, i would even argue that it was even before that but that was such an aggregious decision that it literally changed the course of europe and the ORG that was clearly the greatest in the west, now its a joke, i would even say that TSM and FNC are on the same level as a joke org, the fall from grace is crazy to watch
I mean they didn’t really have a choice - Caps didn’t want to sign a contract. Caps walked when his contract ended. The rest I agree with. Fnatic is a terrible organisation management wise.
bro my team is and will always be soaz/cyanide/xpeke/puszu/yellowstar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! rekkles is our legend!!!!!!
I like being masochist
bro who listens to twitter ranters they make drama out of nothing lol
The thing is nothing he said was incorrect… Sam is directing flame and pretending nothing is wrong when everyone can see that things are wrong (Not to mention countless players talking about how dysfunctional Fnatic are management wise).
Name one org that has been called out as much by its employees: Has bro never heard of EG or TSM?????
EG and TSM should be a lesson, not a bar to hit.
The TSM stuff was kept hidden for so long, the community barely had time to call them out that it was already over 😅
@@fiorane fucking BARS
@@fiorane I mean sure but name a successful esports org ? There can only be one winner and honestly in the LEC that winner is called caps - you can move every other piece around as much as you wish but no mid laner can stand vs caps and so no team can stand vs G2, all the good players want to play with caps (Perkz roll swapped to get him, Rekless left FNC for him,..) - caps is the vortex of western league, the LEC doesn’t have all that much talent to begin with and what talent there is he sucks into G2, wins nearly every split and every other team is considered a failure and have to try new things to keep fans happy
Nemesis didn’t retire because of bad management, he could have gone anywhere else but he realised he wasn’t as good as caps back then and besides there wasn’t enough talent in LEC to compete with caps outside of FNC - G2 purposely broke apart talent further with contract jails - caps and G2’s dominance essentially destroyed any real competition for years by making one competitive mid retire retire due to lack of overall available talent and role swapping another before shipping him off to NA - now we have no mids left outside humanoid and yeah all teams suck..big surprise
Teams are trying to build and rebuild just to challenge G2 but there is no mid laner who can do that so it’s bound to fail
FNC are literally turning into eu TSM. Wormwood is 100% correct in everything they're saying it's actually disgusting how Sam and Dardo can run the entire org into the ground without taking any accountability. Players like Noah, Nisqy, Jun etc. have all mentally from it.
I would not be surprised if the issues listed influenced Upset's decision to not go to World. There was simply no hope so he'd rather unwind with his family than be miserable for 1-2 months and flamed for 'underperforming' in a grief environment.
1/23 LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
FNC doesn't deserve the LEC. Send em to Turkey
FNC fans are always furious, that's why it is much fun to watch FNC lose xD
0.0
Bro this twitter format is giving me aids
I might actually be hiv positive because if youre trying to say something you have to divide it into 19 individual parts
Bruh
You can do a very long message but you have to pay 😅
Twitter has a character limit for every tweet, thats why I think
comm for algo
Sam Matthews and Carlos pretended to hate each other but really they had so much in common it's crazy.
Both dudes convinced themselves that THEY are the secret to their org succeeding when it was actually just the players/coaches the entire time.
G2 was proven to be more successful after Carlos left because the shackles were taken off and I would bet almost anything that Fnatic would be more successful if they removed Sam Matthews/Dardo.
How is G2 more successful now? Huh
I Disagree on carlos part, g2 org is the best because it inherited the "hire the best what ever it costs"
Fnc on the other hand has their motto "hire the best you can with minimum wage"
Tell me how were G2 more successful after Carlos? If my memory is correct, Carlos was still active CEO during 2019 and 2020
@@TheBigTuna100 over the last two years they've been way more dominant domestically than ever before and watching them play against Asian teams feels like they belong in the game instead of feeling like a really lucky streak that got snuffed out when the luck ran dry like it did with Wunder/Jankos/Perkz. That FPX series where they got smashed like infants is burned into my brain forever.
@@doloran- if you think that any iteration of g2 is close to the 2019 you are smoking some high quality crack
tl;dr?
fnc fans are furious at ceo
CEO of fnatic that isn't even with the team in berlin, is trying to save his ass while making sussy comments on twitter.
ADHD brain
- FNC fan mad at ceo. CEO always pissing them off through communication.
- Player/Staff turnover the last 5 years, drama & expression.
- Sucking very very hard at the game
Basically Europe's GM'ing is still top notch (not) and Fnc has a really competent team (not)
these queers take video games to far lol