My grandpa was arrested back in the 80's for illegally building machineguns and suppressors. There was no internet or cell phones (though he had a Commodore 64 he loved), and he still got caught. Imagine how much harder it is today!
@Mialisus people don't get caught with machineguns through surveillance unless they're selling, you know how common 3d printed "wall hangers" are nowadays? Most likely people get caught trying to shoot them in public land within earshot of someone who'll call the cops.
Self discipline, personal responsibility and critical thinking......the only better combination was Moe, Larry and Curly......use the first 3, so you don't become even greater Stooges !!! Woo, woo, woo !!!
With smatphone not every GSM tower can track you. If you'r phone is connected to LTE tower, no GSM tower can track you and LTE towers beeing far more exclusive to cellular carriers than GSM ones provide better service with better security. Law enfosment and hackers typically use GSM, not UMTS/LTE/NR as standart all cellphones support and ForceLTE can force you'r phone to only see shiny new LTE tower from cellular operator, not outdated junk of IMSI-catcher.
@Peter Andrijeczko Bruh, you do realise that every smartphone has a separate processor, with no ties from your main processor that is completely close-sourced and proprietary and can't be flashed no matter how many "custom ROMs" of de-Googled Android you install, called a baseband processor? Yeah, supposedly its only function is to convert discrete signals to analog for transmission via your antenna and communication over 3G/4G/EDGE etc., but you never know what else it does. What IT clearly does is contradictory enough to your suggestion. By all means, feature phones are still much much more superior for privacy. The "standing out" argument can be used for our hardcore de-Googled users too. If done *perfectly ideally*, their phone will be just as suspicious to glow-guys as a feature phone, because to their eyes there is no more data coming than a feature phone.
@Peter Andrijeczko I didn't call you "bruh", I used it more like an expression/exclamation. By all means, if you must have an Android phone, then sure do what you can to make it as secure as possible. De-Google it to your heart's content. It's true that you just need to be more harder to get than the next average Joe. But that's not my point. My point is, you'll still never be as secure as a feature-phone. If you can't live without the modern convenience that a smartphone offers then this would be the next best choice, but it's not THE best choice, which was what I was talking about. You were suggesting it as an alternative to a featurephone which was clearly a wrong comparison, that's all. And also, if someone is giving you a technical reason for something, they're not lazy, it just shows they know what they're talking about. You tell me, is it better to spend hours anonymising and debloating Windows, or to just straight up install Linux and avoid all the unnecessary hard work when there's a smarter and easier choice up ahead ;)
@@VivekYadav-ds8oz Then I suggest that you don't use words like "bruh" that are not in common parlance so that you do not leave yourself open to misinterpretation. As to the rest of your point - if your point is that "you'll never be as secure as a feature-phone" then that's a new point that you just made above because that's the first time you've mentioned a "feature-phone" in our conversation. So what you are now doing is bringing in a completely new point and new comparison whilst simultaneously re-writing history by stating that is what you were talking about all along. So now I am not sure where you are going with this conversation. You could equally argue that you are the most secure by simply not owning any mobile communication devices, but I am not sure what that would prove either. In other words, your point above seems entirely redundant except for allowing you to make a "gracious retreat" on your position without having to admit you were wrong in your assumptions about what I was saying in the first place. I assume therefore that I can take that as a victory in this discussion and we can leave it at that then.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 I did mention "feature phone" and was pretty clear about it too. Read my very first response which started this chain. I'm not sure if you read my response properly. Also, literally this entire video is about feature-phones vs smart-phones so I'm baffled how youd didn't get it even with the help of context of the video.
Do they have 3g Stingrays? Back in 2012 they essentially pushed a user onto 2G ie scrambled the 3g networks locally. 2g however could be spoofed easily (due to having been cracked).
@@brandonreptilianclassiib9271 ok I don’t think we’ve gotten to the point where they can literally see through walls yet. That type of tech would be huge in certain fields like physics and medical and I highly doubt the glowies can somehow stop all of them from not saying a single word about see through wall technology. They either have to be very secretive about it and only use it on a few people to not get caught or they hired only a few people to make this tech and then silenced them right after they finished (which the latter wouldn’t be surprisingly)
Metal ammo cans work well I've found. Literally just being bored and saying "Hmm, what if I put my phone in an ammo can?". Just as I thought, it blocks all signal.
@@MentalOutlaw Can you give your opinion about Mission Darkness Faraday carrying bag products for phones and laptops? They s like a great idea if they work
One thing when testing for the internal battery. Make sure that *automatic timezone* and *set time automatically* are turned off. Just in case airplane mode does not reactivate after boot. Then, turn it back on when you are done testing.
@@strider6294 there are people who travel a lot. They don't want to go through the headache of setting the time on every device they have. Plus it's not that bad. It has it's own protocol called NTP. And it is not resource intensive. Think outside the box while asking questions. Cheers.
I don't want to be rude. Just trying to share some info. NTP servers around the world pull time from an NTP server that has a super precise clock(stratum 0). Then, the servers that have learned the time from 0 will become stratum 1. The stratum 1 and up servers are configured to have an offset based on where they are. This offset can be determined by IP address or GPS. That's how I understood it please correct me if I am wrong. That s is what I read. www.ntp.org/ntpfaq/NTP-s-algo.htm#Q-REFCLK There is no specific mention of time zone but yes the time zone is not derived directly by NTP it is input separately.
@@AzVidsPro Probably not necessary for me to respond now as peter already said all that I would've, but I actually travel a lot between 3 different timezones.. No need to think outside of the box when your box is big enough to encompass the thought
There are other reasons too: - Battery life. I haven't heard of a smartphone that can last a week on one charge. - They're so cheap you don't have to be worried about damaging or losing them that much (and they're usually much sturdier anyway). That's perfect if you want to go chill out in the wild for a few days or have a job where these factors are important.
I think abstaining also forces you to invest in better alternatives like a seperate camera & gps. CDs are so cheap now i can get a 100 for 20, rip the music to my pc then upload them to my phone if i want. Plenty of music at my fingertips on a device that won't die for a week maybe
@@zuffin1864 True. Although nowadays standalone gps isn't much better than the one on the phone, and a decent (comparable/better than an average smartphone) camera is a big investment if I only take photos like once a month or so. And for music, on one hand CDs are usually cheap. On the other, with my preferred type of music, the choice is either Spotify or importing CDs from Japan, which isn't so cheap. But I do agree that giving up some conveniences can be beneficial.
@@ishashka it is more about having all of your data centralized in one place. With a lot of modern GPS you can download all the maps you would ever need on an 8-16 gig sd card and it isn't constantly downloading new maps and sending info to google and can come with bike/pedestrian modes. Its not completely free of tracking obviously, but removing a little bit of the constant oversight we have from these big companies gives me some peace of mind. I also recommend looking into custom android ROMs and Calyx OS
I've been getting red pilled pretty hard on issues like these by you and a few other youtubers. I've installed Linux, got a Tails USB, and started using ad blocking browsers and tracker blocking firewalls on my phone, and the statistics they show, if the are accurate, are astonishing. I've only been into the privacy game for about a month, but the software I'm using has already blocked tens of thousands of trackers.
@@trtrhr I did build my own PC. I have a laptop too, but I only use it when I am out and about. There are phones that have physical switches for these hardware components, like the pine phone, I think it's called? Alternatively, you could use a Faraday Cage to eliminate the signals entering or exiting.
@@peanut3438 damn man, I like what you are saying, where can I read more about this? I need to talk with more paranoyd folks because must of the people in youtube dont really care that much about privacy / dont mind being sort of tracked
"Tying oneself to the mast" aka buying a feature phone IS self discipline and is a very smart thing to do in most cases, I feel like this is what most people need particularly younger people who grew up glued to their phones, although now every job requires you to have some sort of app to pay you or some bullshit so I don't see most people doing this unfortunately. I completely agree with your take on privacy though, If you want to have a private conversation just meet up and get rid of the damn alexa.
Perfectly stated. I was trying to figure out how to put words to removing the possibility of exposure, then I saw your comment and understood the reference
yes, i hate the part where he conflates making changes to environment to avoid harm with weak willpower. as for alcohol, it is a carcinogen in any amount, but i won't draw the analogy to social media exposure.
My motivation to get a feature phone is a quarter privacy, quater just being sick and tired of apps' bullshit, and half wanting a F**KING PHYSICAL KEYPAD instead of a shitty touchscreen
Great points made here. Biggest thing is to not sign into anything or have certain accounts made separately from your Personal info. Never use your own router and home internet either. I remember when I did tech support for Apple and we kept getting an influx of calls about the triangulation the background and people were pissed. The main excuse was to tell them it was to help for connecting to the best Cell Towers to get the best coverage from your carrier.
I use a smart phone but also still have my ORIGINAL Nokia 3310 operating on 2G network. Sometimes I just need a break, and it's a bit of nostalgia too. It's easy to get into the mindset that you're doing a 'good thing' by switching to a dumb phone but the way I see it - I wasn't born into this world with a smartphone attached to me, and sometimes I think is my life really that hectic and complicated that I need a smartphone? Or is it simply a gimmic that the tech companies have convinced us we can't be without?
I’m starting to finally limit my social media consumption. I’ll use TH-cam for videos and what not but twitter and Instagram and slowly fading out of my daily routine.
Really try to limit TH-cam aswell, i don't use any social media other than a messaging app and TH-cam and i just ended up using TH-cam more after cuting social media.
@@ludovitkramar7088 Yes, maybe one way to get used to not using TH-cam as much would be to make an RSS feed of a couple of the best and most useful youtubers you watch, that would at least get you used to not visiting the site or opening the app as much.
@Peter Andrijeczko Look, sonny Jim, the Mental Outlaw has been talking about the fact that cell phones might be tracked if their on board batteries provide enough power and removing the regular battery might not suffice. So my point is that the only way to stop the cell phone signal would be with Faraday cage. I don't give a fuck about CCTV, I don't give a fuck about Faraday cage rendering the device useless. I just commented with the only sure solution to stop cell phone signal, regardless to how practical or useful in the long run the solution is. Go pester somebody else with your problems. Ok?
A while ago I swapped my smartphone for an old Nokia 3330 before going on a summer holiday, left my internet device at the cottage where we stayed and just had a dumb phone. I won't lie, it felt pretty nice to just go about life without a constant connexion to the matrix, but it did limit my ability to do things like take pictures or look things up while out and about. Continuing the experiment, I take my smartphone with me, but keep the SIM in the dumb phone. In normal, non-vacation life, I don't really notice much difference aside from my inability to Google, and since I'm not in a place where I want to take pictures, having the two devices is more of a hindrance than its worth. All that is to say, you are right, self discipline is the best way to go for the long term, even if you do have to force yourself to go "cold turkey" for the first few months. And if you want to be tracked less, just leave your phone at home during specific critical times, maybe stick NetMeTube on your computer or phone playing away to itself so the glowies think you're just binge watching whatever normies binge watch.
Hey Mental Outlaw! Great video as usual. I remember the last time we spoke you were interested in doing a collab but you got super busy. If you're still interested, let me know. I know I'm a very small youtuber compared to you, now. LOL
You could go out without a phone on ocxassions where you don't need it. You could put your phone into a bag that shields it from Electro magnetic waves and only get it out if you need it. If your phone can't transmit/receive signals and has no build in software or not enough memory to record conversations.they can't Listen to you Maybe it even is better to keep a low profile by keeping a profile. Like your way to the grocery store or work place. If you hardly have any data about your life you're in a very small minority.
I use my wife's phone. I know I know.... I'm not snooping and she ain't hidin anything. When my Nexus died last year I wanted to get another phone then covid hit. Now I use my old old Nokia 1110. FM transmitter only my dude. And my PC.
There's probably a sense in which they increase privacy in that they make it a total pain to use many apps, which prevents users from oversharing their data online using them just because it's thoroughly unenjoyable to.
CMOS batteries aren't able to last long enough to power anything other than really the clock for a phone, unless it's rechargeable. That's why the Xbox used a capacitor that stored a couple hours worth of power, because the clock ran on a chip that would run a CMOS battery out really fast.
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Microsoft used a capacitor because it was cheaper (Although it ended up leaking and corroding the motherboard) and since the Xbox automatically sets the time from the Xbox live servers. Cable and satellite boxes also don't come with backup CMOS since they set the time from the DVB broadcast. I'm sure mobile phone's set their time from the mobile network which makes you wonder why there is a CMOS battery
Yes, just don’t have a cell phone. I miss the good old days when no one had cell phone. The more natural you go in your life the more connected you are to the true source. The one & and only. The more this goes on the more individuals will be disconnected, witch is the sinister design. In short it has to do with them, the entities against humanity & them controlling everything & everyone. Thanks for the video man. Take care folks
I do realize that we do not have the same technology we had back in the day of feature phones. The carriers have moved on to LTE and beyond. We will never go back to 2g and 3g now, but I do miss those days of just a phone and text. I am old enough to remember the days when we didn't have cell phones. I could go out hunting in the woods and no one would know where I was. Those were the days guys. 😁
this sticking out part is the biggest problems. It's like urself are glowing when implementing privacy enhancing techniques. Better to swim with the masses and idk. Do illegal things offline or not on your phone.
Maybe you could make a short series on smartphone privacy? For example you could showcase different os options and talk about how to find up to date instructions for rooting your device, maybe showcase some apps for the people who are scared about bricking their device.
Three years on and still relevant. Although those dump phones might see the end of their capabilities, with phasing out 3G signal, they are still good to use for basic communication. I go on fakebook, but via browsers exclusively. Also youtube. Resisting installing whatsapp and missing on some communication with my colleagues, but it is my phone and I pay the bills. I decide what I install on it. SMS are still a thing. And when social media get boring, I put a cd on, or casette, or vinyl even, grab word puzzles with pen and paper and disappear from the digital world for a while. Or do something else, offline. Plenty of stuff to do in a real life.
Not even once i've seen another battery in a phone teardown video or the ones i personally disasembled and put back together. Like, all the smartphones i have just don't keep track of time after you turn them off or remove the battery. The clock adjusts itself after they get internet signal if you have automatic date and time turned on. Also, if you don't, the cell network tower also can send the date and time if you have a SIM popped into the phone, so even if you remove the battery and turn it back on, you'd still have the accurate time the next time you see your screen. Phones do not have CMOS batteries or any other kind of "secondary battery". It would be a massive waste of space in an already small case. They just get their date and time from the nearest broadcast from a cell tower when the phone boots back up. Just tear down any phone to see for yourself, instead of this misinformation. If there is any chip you don't know what it is, search the code written on it on the internet. Also, you can very easly find the service electrical schematic online for almost any phone you want. You could also look through the open source of your phone's kernel, if you know how to read it. There are many ways to avoid spreading misinformation by just documenting yourself more about a certain subject.
security.stackexchange.com/questions/65382/is-it-possible-for-a-phone-to-be-transmitting-even-while-turned-off-and-the-batt "As you can see in the picture above, the speaker is about the size of a dime and the microphone is no larger than the watch battery beside it. Speaking of the watch battery, this is used by the mobile phone's internal clock chip." Quote originally from electronics.howstuffworks.com/cell-phone6.htm as referenced in the answer
@@ivanbogush in that photo there is neither a microphone, nor a speaker. And definitely no secondary battery. Take a look for yourself: www.gadget-manual.com/samsung-1/samsung-pdf-schematics-and-diagrams/samsung-s8-schematic/ Maybe, this so-called secondary battery is only available on feature phones that don't have internet conectivity to auto-update date and time.
My dad has a pager that he checks at the end of the day, Landline phone with no voicemail or any of that fancy stuff uses it just to talk to us. There’s no point in trying to get him Internet connection of any kind
On a similar theme, can you address persistent vulnerabilities that might remain from hardware (e.g. chips, back up batteries, other components) even after flashing with a custom ROM? I suspect this is another area of misconception.
Good points. Technically there’s no real solution but not using it. However I suggest getting off BIG 5 tech. Remove those ‘middle men’ and you’ll be in a good position.
Burner phone is permanently connected in logs with real phone when they travel with each other for few hours or even few times are nearby when turned on or off, they can not be nearby never ever to not be traceable together. It just sticks up with nearly 100% match when logs are checked to break privacy
Hey, what a mentally good video, I like the pacing of the topics (this goes for most videos), also, this stuff seems basic but isn't really compiled in many places that go through the options. Anyway, I have a request on a topic that I haven't found on your channel: Cryptocurrency/What they bring to the table/Most used currencies/Where to get started (buying then setting up a wallet? Idk how this works)/Realistic feasibility for profit/etc.. Doesn't have to be in depth on how that all works behind the scenes unless you feel like it. Regards
Something scary you guys might want to know. If you really pissed off the letter boys somehow, they can actually just point an big enough antenna to some direction, send of a very power signal, which can make your phone antenna as a rf reflector. And it can detect the reflected frequency specific to your phone and know exactly where you are. This method doesn’t require any battery or any power source. This has been covered up by letter boys for like 50 years. The Russians found one of this kind of radio reflector in one of the paintings they had in WWII, and there has never been brought up ever. Until the 2010s NSA leak went public. You guys should look this up. To defend against this attack, you should use high frequency only devices (wifi equipped laptop or computers, or bluetooth devices), since high frequency radio doesn’t travel very far due to the laws of physics. At least 2.5 ghz frequency, 5 ghz on the safer side. 1.4 ghz frequency is just too easy to be detected.
3:50 That doesn't mean anything about battery, the phone can connect to any cellular network to check time without having a sim card, it is allowed to do so to make emergency calls
All devices that connect to cell towers are using closed source modems. It doesn’t matter what you do to that phone it will always reconnect to the nearest tower when powered on. Nobody except these phone companies knows what’s going on inside that firmware. At the very minimum they know your location and can remotely monitor and control the device. When you buy a phone it’s either immediately linked to your identity or they can figure out who you are within a few minutes from your account logins and usage habits.
Secondary battery could in theory be used to power things (4:14)??? No way, it is physically too small to support such a load (physically smaller battery - can support less peak load) + it must NOT be drained for tracking or secondary battery might not be userfull for it's primary task - supporting clock when primary battery is removed or deeply discharged. 2. Why would phone manufacturers put more expensive rechargeable secondary battery when more affordable primary one still does the job of making sure clock is running. This cuts electricall power from secondary battery for spying resons dramatically 3. Why would phone manufacturers put secondary battery at all into devices they make (like Apple)?
I love this man and his video. Well done! I know you’ve heard this before as advise, but don’t carry a phone. Sound simplistic and dumb. I get it. Just a little about me, I am not better than anyone reading this, but I have been to Iran 7 times, and I got my visas in one day. Just sayin, and enough said. This man is straight on about phones. The only problem we have is the most current technology we know about, is really 10 years behind what is actually being used today to track us. We just don’t know it. So, as dumb as it sounds, don’t carry any phone. It’s not just about being a gray man, be the invisible man. Make your money being invisible, figure that out, and you will own everything.
I don't like the nickname "dumb phones" for feature phones because by far not all of them were "dumb". Sure, there were basic monochrome Nokias and such, but then there were also mid-range and high-end Sony Ericsson phones, for example. Like SE Walkman W200 and K800. They could browse the web, install Java apps without restrictions (Nokia and Samsung phones had Java file size restrictions, for example), play plenty of games, etc. Heck, I played MMORPG games like Son of Timehonored and TibiaME on my Sony Ericsson phones. Also Java versions of Galaxy on Fire and Deep3D, which were pretty demanding and complex 3D games. Doesn't sound very "dumb phone" to me!
@@MicroChirp For sure. Some of the Java games back then looked very impressive, like Deep 3D, Sega Rally, Galaxy On Fire to name a few. I had several different Sony Ericsson phones back then too, and they ran these games quite well.
yea i am only going for a dumbphone when nokia releases their upcoming built in bluetooth wireless earbuds... for the sole reason of just using it as an mp3 player... my smartphone is already barely functioning as a smartphone and i want to stave off my new addiction to shopping apps and food delivery apps after i barely use social media nowadays.... i mean i use my phone for reading books as well but that craving for food and shopping in the internet is making me fatter... and i think if i can remove that till i get fit... i can probably use my smartphone again without any of those addiction issues...
Interestingly, there are only a few carriers in the UK who are still allowed to use the 2G bands. 2G and 3G will be phased out in the next 10 years. Gotta force people to get those upgrades so they can check out our nudes.
Wait till you find out that 5G uses the same bands AND tech of 2G/3G for certain things. They could easily make it backwards compatible with old phones but that’s not gonna sell new phones, is it?
Nice video. I think I’m still going to get a feature phone though. Not worried about being tracked, I’m more concerned it won’t be as addicting so I won’t be glued to it.
Another reason is that they don’t have internet, so you can’t use an open source encrypted messenger, and forced to use SMS and legacy calls, which have no privacy. They can identify you from your voice, so the calls will be enough to identify you even though it’s pseudonymous.
do you have any sources on that "secondary battery"? every phone I ever dismantled had only one, and even if there was a cmos type battery I don't think it would have enough power to keep the tracking up for more than 1 or 2 minutes
Everyone wants to rip on people being on their phones all the time. Say you're on a train ride, on the subway or something. Well, do you know those other people on the train? Do you have a particular interest in talking to them? What would you talk about? The weather? Maybe they're not interested in socializing. Maybe you'd talk to them and find out that like so many other city dwellers, they're crazy. So just do both. Leave the phone in the pocket for awhile, and then get it out for awhile. There's a balance you can strike and it works out fine.
I am a dumb phone user here for many reasons. Sure, I am well aware my device can be used to track my whereabouts, but who has access to these records? My mobile phone company and any government agencies wishing to get hold of them. As a civilian I can't do much to prevent government surveillance, but I can for sure reduce the amount large co operations, namely google and Facebook can access of my data. If I choose to buy a smartphone I have no choice but to agree to their terms and conditions which allow the device I paid for to track information for advertisement purposes. Sure, I am using my google account now, but when I leave the house google cannot track me through my dumb phone and neither send information back to their servers for advertisement purposes. Is it really advertising though? What happens with the information such android devices send back to google? That information is passed beyond my country's border where UK privacy laws don't count.
Wow, I was not expecting the Mental Outlaw to look like this (but again many Linux users have a beard). I think I am going back to voiceovers, I like them more.
If I ever buy another phone it will be a pinephone64, I'll never buy another Android trash phone, I have been unhappy with every single one I've owned.
They're not exactly ready for primetime. It's a great concept and I love having it on me, but I'd wait until the OS options are more fully functional; even mobile service doesn't always work depending on what you're running
@@mrcrazyadd2 I understand, that's why I want to support the development, it's critically important that it gets working well so people can leave the trash and have control of their device.
honestly, I have an iPhone SE for 4 years now, and it's much better than any Android device I've ever owned. From a privacy point of view, I'm probably screwed anyways.
forgot the best part of a dumb phone, low maintenance/care! mine spends weeks between charges (yes, WEEKS) and you can drop it like an ugly baby and it'll be just fine. Got tired of those expensive glass slabs.
I switched to dumb phones because I noticed that android was becoming a dependency, so I took tally of capabilities I lose if I don't have phone. I decided that I would do all my mapping, math, problem solving, and daily planning manually with pen and paper. I think anyone that does this might actually be a sadomasochist, so I have trouble understanding how dumb phones are for people with a lack of self discipline.
@@bqsyubsaiun It doesn't matter which dumb phone you buy, just make sure you have everything you need. There's not really anything that can replace photographic evidence, so if that's a requirement for you, then maybe going the de-googled android route would be a better fit. Unfortunately, I had to switch to a stock android so that I could use EVV gps tracking for work. Muh Freedoms! I Still use my pocket sized composition book for notes, lists, math, and map directions. Other than EVV or phone calls/texts, I avoid using my phone.
Bruh, you do realise that every smartphone has a separate processor, with no ties from your main processor that is completely close-sourced and proprietary and can't be flashed no matter how many "custom ROMs" of de-Googled Android you install, called a baseband processor? Yeah, supposedly its only function is to convert discrete signals to analog for transmission via your antenna and communication over 3G/4G/EDGE etc., but you never know what else it does. What IT clearly does is contradictory enough to your suggestion. By all means, feature phones are still much much more superior for privacy. The "standing out" argument can be used for our hardcore de-Googled users too. If done *perfectly ideally*, their phone will be just as suspicious to glow-guys as a feature phone, because to their eyes there is no more data coming than a feature phone.
Yeah, probably the only way to get around that would be to have a pinephone or something with an open source radio module. (Not sure if those have them yet, but I saw a video about it. I think they were running doom or something on the module)
One thing I would add is that smart phones are capable of having some privacy that dumb phones can't. Encrypted messenger apps are probably safe if you want your privacy. Dumb phones are only capable of making regular calls and messaging via text, both are handled by the corporations and government. So I'd say just get a smart phone with a stripped down OS and only use it for things that aren't tracking you.
I stay at home all day so i didn't need data or anything. My LG feature phone was $40 and my plan is $10 per month. I used to pay around $100 per month for my iphone with verizon!
"the glow boys" only in the dark The main appeal of feature phones is it's less distracting, not much else. A lot of them run Android but they often have less than 1GB ram and no touchscreen, so they're basically just a less powerful smartphone.
Some topics like hardware switch for microphone, repair-ability, Debian GNU/Linux based OS and open hardware specs are covered in Purism products like Librem-5. Cons - cost, incompatibility with Android apps (obvious, but there are some experimental features) and older internals like CPU/cam/etc.
Gsm tracking is way more accurate, or what I have actually experienced, not only that but they save data for years, notnonly that buying a nev sim is not enough because the IMEI number thy can just track that. You'd need to buy new phone regularily and new prepaid sim card separately with cash from remote store in like discuise or something, you cant go there with car ornpublic transport, oh and you should use voice changer with different voice for different phone because people can and will track your voice as well (my voice sample has been taken) so yeha all that trouble seems quite much unless you are like pablo escobar or something like that.
The only way to be completely free of tracking is to be completely free of web browsers. Anything ANYTHING that's got Google or Apple is tracked and listened to. If you have No webbing AT ALL, you will not to listened to or your shopping will not be followed, since it's not done by your phone. I have a Nokia 110 with no webbing on it. None. It does texts and calls. I know the phone itself can be traced by the ping however the level of eavesdropping is almost non- probable. I do not own my low end phone to avoid tracking but rather to increase my attention span, cut the 135$ monthly cost and get better sex from my spouse. Right? Illinois.
There is a technology called SFN (Single Frequency Network), built into cellular communication since 2g (3gpp2 cdma technology tree) or 3g (3gpp gsm technology tree). Therefore there is a possibility for different subscribers to use exactly same frequencies even beeing in a area beetwen the same cell towers. Triangulating all their subscribers leaves cellular company with a massive hit in uplink capacity. Cellular operators can NOT take that loss for cost reasons alone. There is just as good approach: log subscriber's cell tower and cell sector since this do NOT take away any of their precious network capacity. If you are worried about you'r GSM phone triangulated and tracked there is anouther technology called DSS to make sure neighboring cells are busy selling LTE capacity in the same freqency at the same time as you'r cell tower provies you with GSM.
Actually real life chad, this is what high exposure to linux does to you
@Peter Andrijeczko That's exactly how it happened to me!
@Peter Andrijeczko Yep, exactly what I did
I laughed way to hard at this :-D
@@reydgukthewjw8349 You can use a usb drive to boot linux you barely need anything
#LinuxChad
My grandpa was arrested back in the 80's for illegally building machineguns and suppressors. There was no internet or cell phones (though he had a Commodore 64 he loved), and he still got caught. Imagine how much harder it is today!
Howd he get caught
@Mialisus I think they meant how much harder it is to keep yourself from getting caught
@Mialisus people don't get caught with machineguns through surveillance unless they're selling, you know how common 3d printed "wall hangers" are nowadays? Most likely people get caught trying to shoot them in public land within earshot of someone who'll call the cops.
You have a cool grandpa
Based grandpa
You said it. Self-discipline is the most important factor in all this.
And the weakest one in the same time.
Self discipline, personal responsibility and critical thinking......the only better combination was Moe, Larry and Curly......use the first 3, so you don't become even greater Stooges !!! Woo, woo, woo !!!
With dumb phone, GSM tower is tracking you.
With smartphone, in addition to GSM tower, every app is tracking you.
With smatphone not every GSM tower can track you. If you'r phone is connected to LTE tower, no GSM tower can track you and LTE towers beeing far more exclusive to cellular carriers than GSM ones provide better service with better security. Law enfosment and hackers typically use GSM, not UMTS/LTE/NR as standart all cellphones support and ForceLTE can force you'r phone to only see shiny new LTE tower from cellular operator, not outdated junk of IMSI-catcher.
@Peter Andrijeczko Bruh, you do realise that every smartphone has a separate processor, with no ties from your main processor that is completely close-sourced and proprietary and can't be flashed no matter how many "custom ROMs" of de-Googled Android you install, called a baseband processor?
Yeah, supposedly its only function is to convert discrete signals to analog for transmission via your antenna and communication over 3G/4G/EDGE etc., but you never know what else it does. What IT clearly does is contradictory enough to your suggestion.
By all means, feature phones are still much much more superior for privacy. The "standing out" argument can be used for our hardcore de-Googled users too. If done *perfectly ideally*, their phone will be just as suspicious to glow-guys as a feature phone, because to their eyes there is no more data coming than a feature phone.
@Peter Andrijeczko I didn't call you "bruh", I used it more like an expression/exclamation.
By all means, if you must have an Android phone, then sure do what you can to make it as secure as possible. De-Google it to your heart's content. It's true that you just need to be more harder to get than the next average Joe. But that's not my point. My point is, you'll still never be as secure as a feature-phone. If you can't live without the modern convenience that a smartphone offers then this would be the next best choice, but it's not THE best choice, which was what I was talking about.
You were suggesting it as an alternative to a featurephone which was clearly a wrong comparison, that's all.
And also, if someone is giving you a technical reason for something, they're not lazy, it just shows they know what they're talking about. You tell me, is it better to spend hours anonymising and debloating Windows, or to just straight up install Linux and avoid all the unnecessary hard work when there's a smarter and easier choice up ahead ;)
@@VivekYadav-ds8oz Then I suggest that you don't use words like "bruh" that are not in common parlance so that you do not leave yourself open to misinterpretation.
As to the rest of your point - if your point is that "you'll never be as secure as a feature-phone" then that's a new point that you just made above because that's the first time you've mentioned a "feature-phone" in our conversation. So what you are now doing is bringing in a completely new point and new comparison whilst simultaneously re-writing history by stating that is what you were talking about all along.
So now I am not sure where you are going with this conversation. You could equally argue that you are the most secure by simply not owning any mobile communication devices, but I am not sure what that would prove either.
In other words, your point above seems entirely redundant except for allowing you to make a "gracious retreat" on your position without having to admit you were wrong in your assumptions about what I was saying in the first place.
I assume therefore that I can take that as a victory in this discussion and we can leave it at that then.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 I did mention "feature phone" and was pretty clear about it too. Read my very first response which started this chain. I'm not sure if you read my response properly.
Also, literally this entire video is about feature-phones vs smart-phones so I'm baffled how youd didn't get it even with the help of context of the video.
Stingray devices are also used by local law enforcement too. No need to be a high value target for the glowies
The feds, and I suspect some local PD/Sheriff, have tech far superior to Stingray. Google "x-ray surveillance vans" and "lidar see through walls"
Do they have 3g Stingrays? Back in 2012 they essentially pushed a user onto 2G ie scrambled the 3g networks locally. 2g however could be spoofed easily (due to having been cracked).
@@brandonreptilianclassiib9271 ok I don’t think we’ve gotten to the point where they can literally see through walls yet. That type of tech would be huge in certain fields like physics and medical and I highly doubt the glowies can somehow stop all of them from not saying a single word about see through wall technology. They either have to be very secretive about it and only use it on a few people to not get caught or they hired only a few people to make this tech and then silenced them right after they finished (which the latter wouldn’t be surprisingly)
Gotta keep the phone in a faraday box
yeah, that's pretty much the only guaranteed solution for all phones.
Metal ammo cans work well I've found. Literally just being bored and saying "Hmm, what if I put my phone in an ammo can?". Just as I thought, it blocks all signal.
Put your entire home in a giant faraday box in order to prevent any communications.
@zooboo I would say that it really depends on the size of the cage in relation to how accurately the glowboys can triangulate you
@@MentalOutlaw Can you give your opinion about Mission Darkness Faraday carrying bag products for phones and laptops? They s like a great idea if they work
One thing when testing for the internal battery. Make sure that *automatic timezone* and *set time automatically* are turned off. Just in case airplane mode does not reactivate after boot. Then, turn it back on when you are done testing.
shouldn't have it on in the first place. Why would you want your phone running a service in the background pinging a server for time?
@@strider6294 there are people who travel a lot. They don't want to go through the headache of setting the time on every device they have. Plus it's not that bad. It has it's own protocol called NTP. And it is not resource intensive. Think outside the box while asking questions. Cheers.
I don't want to be rude. Just trying to share some info. NTP servers around the world pull time from an NTP server that has a super precise clock(stratum 0). Then, the servers that have learned the time from 0 will become stratum 1. The stratum 1 and up servers are configured to have an offset based on where they are. This offset can be determined by IP address or GPS. That's how I understood it please correct me if I am wrong. That s is what I read. www.ntp.org/ntpfaq/NTP-s-algo.htm#Q-REFCLK
There is no specific mention of time zone but yes the time zone is not derived directly by NTP it is input separately.
@Peter Andrijeczko omg yes that is correct. I have corrected the first comment. Sorry for all this arguing.
@@AzVidsPro Probably not necessary for me to respond now as peter already said all that I would've, but I actually travel a lot between 3 different timezones.. No need to think outside of the box when your box is big enough to encompass the thought
There are other reasons too:
- Battery life. I haven't heard of a smartphone that can last a week on one charge.
- They're so cheap you don't have to be worried about damaging or losing them that much (and they're usually much sturdier anyway).
That's perfect if you want to go chill out in the wild for a few days or have a job where these factors are important.
I think abstaining also forces you to invest in better alternatives like a seperate camera & gps. CDs are so cheap now i can get a 100 for 20, rip the music to my pc then upload them to my phone if i want. Plenty of music at my fingertips on a device that won't die for a week maybe
@@zuffin1864 True. Although nowadays standalone gps isn't much better than the one on the phone, and a decent (comparable/better than an average smartphone) camera is a big investment if I only take photos like once a month or so.
And for music, on one hand CDs are usually cheap. On the other, with my preferred type of music, the choice is either Spotify or importing CDs from Japan, which isn't so cheap.
But I do agree that giving up some conveniences can be beneficial.
@@ishashka it is more about having all of your data centralized in one place. With a lot of modern GPS you can download all the maps you would ever need on an 8-16 gig sd card and it isn't constantly downloading new maps and sending info to google and can come with bike/pedestrian modes. Its not completely free of tracking obviously, but removing a little bit of the constant oversight we have from these big companies gives me some peace of mind. I also recommend looking into custom android ROMs and Calyx OS
@@zuffin1864 That's true, but my comment was about other benefits than privacy, so I didn't take it into account
I've been getting red pilled pretty hard on issues like these by you and a few other youtubers. I've installed Linux, got a Tails USB, and started using ad blocking browsers and tracker blocking firewalls on my phone, and the statistics they show, if the are accurate, are astonishing. I've only been into the privacy game for about a month, but the software I'm using has already blocked tens of thousands of trackers.
@@trtrhr I did build my own PC. I have a laptop too, but I only use it when I am out and about. There are phones that have physical switches for these hardware components, like the pine phone, I think it's called? Alternatively, you could use a Faraday Cage to eliminate the signals entering or exiting.
@@tylerdean980 Don’t forget “sound beacons”- your mic (and possibly gyroscope and even speaker) can pick up ultrasonic signals
@@peanut3438 damn man, I like what you are saying, where can I read more about this? I need to talk with more paranoyd folks because must of the people in youtube dont really care that much about privacy / dont mind being sort of tracked
@@trtrhr Intel CPUs have a remote access control chip in them and amd has one on their motherboards. Nothing is perfectly safe, even self built PC.
Chill bro
I use my aluminium hat and I never worry that the government can read my mind.
"Tying oneself to the mast" aka buying a feature phone IS self discipline and is a very smart thing to do in most cases, I feel like this is what most people need particularly younger people who grew up glued to their phones, although now every job requires you to have some sort of app to pay you or some bullshit so I don't see most people doing this unfortunately. I completely agree with your take on privacy though, If you want to have a private conversation just meet up and get rid of the damn alexa.
Perfectly stated. I was trying to figure out how to put words to removing the possibility of exposure, then I saw your comment and understood the reference
Agreed
yes, i hate the part where he conflates making changes to environment to avoid harm with weak willpower. as for alcohol, it is a carcinogen in any amount, but i won't draw the analogy to social media exposure.
My motivation to get a feature phone is a quarter privacy, quater just being sick and tired of apps' bullshit, and half wanting a F**KING PHYSICAL KEYPAD instead of a shitty touchscreen
Hahah i'm gonna start referrimg to the letter agencies as the glowboys now too. RIP TD
three letter criminal organizations. saw it in DEFCON
Alphabet boyz
Great points made here. Biggest thing is to not sign into anything or have certain accounts made separately from your Personal info. Never use your own router and home internet either. I remember when I did tech support for Apple and we kept getting an influx of calls about the triangulation the background and people were pissed. The main excuse was to tell them it was to help for connecting to the best Cell Towers to get the best coverage from your carrier.
I use a smart phone but also still have my ORIGINAL Nokia 3310 operating on 2G network. Sometimes I just need a break, and it's a bit of nostalgia too. It's easy to get into the mindset that you're doing a 'good thing' by switching to a dumb phone but the way I see it - I wasn't born into this world with a smartphone attached to me, and sometimes I think is my life really that hectic and complicated that I need a smartphone? Or is it simply a gimmic that the tech companies have convinced us we can't be without?
Just stay under the radar and disappear in the noise
The best thing in most cases is just dont get noticed
I’m starting to finally limit my social media consumption. I’ll use TH-cam for videos and what not but twitter and Instagram and slowly fading out of my daily routine.
Really try to limit TH-cam aswell, i don't use any social media other than a messaging app and TH-cam and i just ended up using TH-cam more after cuting social media.
Me too, TH-cam seems to be the hardest to left behind, because unlike other social medias, it is actually useful for lots of things
@@ludovitkramar7088 Yes, maybe one way to get used to not using TH-cam as much would be to make an RSS feed of a couple of the best and most useful youtubers you watch, that would at least get you used to not visiting the site or opening the app as much.
@@MrShedom8 same here. No social media (deleted Fb, Insta, Tw) but i waste more time on youtube and internet random rabbit-holes than before.
@@unkn0wn_416 They always find a way to get you...
Bottom line is, if you're truly concerned with mobile tracking the only thing you can do is build/buy a portable Faraday cage.
@Peter Andrijeczko It's not being tracked, because no wavelengths go through?
@Peter Andrijeczko In case you need it before going back home.
@Peter Andrijeczko Look, sonny Jim, the Mental Outlaw has been talking about the fact that cell phones might be tracked if their on board batteries provide enough power and removing the regular battery might not suffice. So my point is that the only way to stop the cell phone signal would be with Faraday cage. I don't give a fuck about CCTV, I don't give a fuck about Faraday cage rendering the device useless. I just commented with the only sure solution to stop cell phone signal, regardless to how practical or useful in the long run the solution is. Go pester somebody else with your problems. Ok?
damn linux man is ripped
A while ago I swapped my smartphone for an old Nokia 3330 before going on a summer holiday, left my internet device at the cottage where we stayed and just had a dumb phone. I won't lie, it felt pretty nice to just go about life without a constant connexion to the matrix, but it did limit my ability to do things like take pictures or look things up while out and about. Continuing the experiment, I take my smartphone with me, but keep the SIM in the dumb phone. In normal, non-vacation life, I don't really notice much difference aside from my inability to Google, and since I'm not in a place where I want to take pictures, having the two devices is more of a hindrance than its worth.
All that is to say, you are right, self discipline is the best way to go for the long term, even if you do have to force yourself to go "cold turkey" for the first few months.
And if you want to be tracked less, just leave your phone at home during specific critical times, maybe stick NetMeTube on your computer or phone playing away to itself so the glowies think you're just binge watching whatever normies binge watch.
Hey Mental Outlaw! Great video as usual. I remember the last time we spoke you were interested in doing a collab but you got super busy. If you're still interested, let me know. I know I'm a very small youtuber compared to you, now. LOL
lmao, should have done one sooner
Hopefully soon
Can't fully escape tracking and stuff.. At least people can try their best
You could go out without a phone on ocxassions where you don't need it.
You could put your phone into a bag that shields it from Electro magnetic waves and only get it out if you need it.
If your phone can't transmit/receive signals and has no build in software or not enough memory to record conversations.they can't Listen to you
Maybe it even is better to keep a low profile by keeping a profile.
Like your way to the grocery store or work place.
If you hardly have any data about your life you're in a very small minority.
My cheap phone autimatically subscribed me to this channel without notice.
I use my wife's phone. I know I know.... I'm not snooping and she ain't hidin anything. When my Nexus died last year I wanted to get another phone then covid hit. Now I use my old old Nokia 1110. FM transmitter only my dude. And my PC.
Dude, you're a natural teacher. Great job, easy to understand and interesting.
There's probably a sense in which they increase privacy in that they make it a total pain to use many apps, which prevents users from oversharing their data online using them just because it's thoroughly unenjoyable to.
Exactly less time spent on your phone = less data to track
A feature phone significantly reduces the number of people/services that can track you. Simply becuase they aren’t running Google software.
CMOS batteries aren't able to last long enough to power anything other than really the clock for a phone, unless it's rechargeable. That's why the Xbox used a capacitor that stored a couple hours worth of power, because the clock ran on a chip that would run a CMOS battery out really fast.
Microsoft used a capacitor because it was cheaper (Although it ended up leaking and corroding the motherboard) and since the Xbox automatically sets the time from the Xbox live servers. Cable and satellite boxes also don't come with backup CMOS since they set the time from the DVB broadcast. I'm sure mobile phone's set their time from the mobile network which makes you wonder why there is a CMOS battery
Don't worry about the cmos battery. It doesn't have anywhere near enough voltage or capacity to run the cellular radio.
Yes, just don’t have a cell phone. I miss the good old days when no one had cell phone. The more natural you go in your life the more connected you are to the true source. The one & and only. The more this goes on the more individuals will be disconnected, witch is the sinister design. In short it has to do with them, the entities against humanity & them controlling everything & everyone. Thanks for the video man. Take care folks
google, microsoft, and samsung can do one of these draw my life on me tbh its annoying and disrespectful but this is where the world is headed sadly
I do realize that we do not have the same technology we had back in the day of feature phones. The carriers have moved on to LTE and beyond. We will never go back to 2g and 3g now, but I do miss those days of just a phone and text. I am old enough to remember the days when we didn't have cell phones. I could go out hunting in the woods and no one would know where I was. Those were the days guys. 😁
this sticking out part is the biggest problems. It's like urself are glowing when implementing privacy enhancing techniques. Better to swim with the masses and idk. Do illegal things offline or not on your phone.
This video aged nicely :) The info just came out couple weeks back that they track everyone on cell phones since 2003
Maybe you could make a short series on smartphone privacy?
For example you could showcase different os options and talk about how to find up to date instructions for rooting your device, maybe showcase some apps for the people who are scared about bricking their device.
I did not think you were gonna be that much of a chad.
Do a video next on recommendations for non glowie-subverted networking equipment
I’m newbie ?
@starshipeleven can recommend any other communication devices?
Three years on and still relevant. Although those dump phones might see the end of their capabilities, with phasing out 3G signal, they are still good to use for basic communication. I go on fakebook, but via browsers exclusively. Also youtube. Resisting installing whatsapp and missing on some communication with my colleagues, but it is my phone and I pay the bills. I decide what I install on it. SMS are still a thing. And when social media get boring, I put a cd on, or casette, or vinyl even, grab word puzzles with pen and paper and disappear from the digital world for a while. Or do something else, offline. Plenty of stuff to do in a real life.
Try clapping at the beginning of the video to help you sync the audio properly
Not even once i've seen another battery in a phone teardown video or the ones i personally disasembled and put back together.
Like, all the smartphones i have just don't keep track of time after you turn them off or remove the battery.
The clock adjusts itself after they get internet signal if you have automatic date and time turned on.
Also, if you don't, the cell network tower also can send the date and time if you have a SIM popped into the phone, so even if you remove the battery and turn it back on, you'd still have the accurate time the next time you see your screen.
Phones do not have CMOS batteries or any other kind of "secondary battery". It would be a massive waste of space in an already small case.
They just get their date and time from the nearest broadcast from a cell tower when the phone boots back up.
Just tear down any phone to see for yourself, instead of this misinformation.
If there is any chip you don't know what it is, search the code written on it on the internet.
Also, you can very easly find the service electrical schematic online for almost any phone you want.
You could also look through the open source of your phone's kernel, if you know how to read it.
There are many ways to avoid spreading misinformation by just documenting yourself more about a certain subject.
security.stackexchange.com/questions/65382/is-it-possible-for-a-phone-to-be-transmitting-even-while-turned-off-and-the-batt
"As you can see in the picture above, the speaker is about the size of a dime and the microphone is no larger than the watch battery beside it. Speaking of the watch battery, this is used by the mobile phone's internal clock chip."
Quote originally from electronics.howstuffworks.com/cell-phone6.htm as referenced in the answer
@@ivanbogush in that photo there is neither a microphone, nor a speaker. And definitely no secondary battery.
Take a look for yourself:
www.gadget-manual.com/samsung-1/samsung-pdf-schematics-and-diagrams/samsung-s8-schematic/
Maybe, this so-called secondary battery is only available on feature phones that don't have internet conectivity to auto-update date and time.
Personally I have seen them in $15 dollar dumb phones but not smartphones, the rumble motor in some is quite easy to mistake for a watch cell
@@egg5474 yeah, that makes more sense
My dad has a pager that he checks at the end of the day, Landline phone with no voicemail or any of that fancy stuff uses it just to talk to us. There’s no point in trying to get him Internet connection of any kind
On a similar theme, can you address persistent vulnerabilities that might remain from hardware (e.g. chips, back up batteries, other components) even after flashing with a custom ROM? I suspect this is another area of misconception.
That's what I thought as well. If PCs, Laptops and Tablets nowadays have shit like IME or AMD PSP, then for sure smartphones have that, too.
The government is welcome to know whatever depressing info about my miserable life.
lmao
Good points. Technically there’s no real solution but not using it. However I suggest getting off BIG 5 tech. Remove those ‘middle men’ and you’ll be in a good position.
If you have a dumb phone you're either a suspicious person or a trader. Traders have dumbphones because they hate distractions.
Glow boy
Burner phone is permanently connected in logs with real phone when they travel with each other for few hours or even few times are nearby when turned on or off, they can not be nearby never ever to not be traceable together. It just sticks up with nearly 100% match when logs are checked to break privacy
Hey, what a mentally good video, I like the pacing of the topics (this goes for most videos), also, this stuff seems basic but isn't really compiled in many places that go through the options.
Anyway, I have a request on a topic that I haven't found on your channel: Cryptocurrency/What they bring to the table/Most used currencies/Where to get started (buying then setting up a wallet? Idk how this works)/Realistic feasibility for profit/etc..
Doesn't have to be in depth on how that all works behind the scenes unless you feel like it.
Regards
Something scary you guys might want to know. If you really pissed off the letter boys somehow, they can actually just point an big enough antenna to some direction, send of a very power signal, which can make your phone antenna as a rf reflector. And it can detect the reflected frequency specific to your phone and know exactly where you are. This method doesn’t require any battery or any power source. This has been covered up by letter boys for like 50 years. The Russians found one of this kind of radio reflector in one of the paintings they had in WWII, and there has never been brought up ever. Until the 2010s NSA leak went public. You guys should look this up. To defend against this attack, you should use high frequency only devices (wifi equipped laptop or computers, or bluetooth devices), since high frequency radio doesn’t travel very far due to the laws of physics. At least 2.5 ghz frequency, 5 ghz on the safer side. 1.4 ghz frequency is just too easy to be detected.
"The Thing". Passive bugs. It led directly to the invention of the rfid chip
Didn't know about the secondary battery. Thanks for clearing that up.
Came here feeling optimistic left feeling blackpilled
Self discipline is extremely important
Helped me get things done in life
I don't know what I expected, but this is the first video of yours I've watched where I see your face. It's not what I expected, lol. Nice beard bro.
It's a deepfake lmao
started watching your channel and am so glad I found it!
Reject smurtfone, return to Nokia 3310
Return to bananafone, return to monke
3:50
That doesn't mean anything about battery, the phone can connect to any cellular network to check time without having a sim card, it is allowed to do so to make emergency calls
i fully swapped to linux cuz of you i hope you are proud brother
Nice
All devices that connect to cell towers are using closed source modems. It doesn’t matter what you do to that phone it will always reconnect to the nearest tower when powered on. Nobody except these phone companies knows what’s going on inside that firmware. At the very minimum they know your location and can remotely monitor and control the device. When you buy a phone it’s either immediately linked to your identity or they can figure out who you are within a few minutes from your account logins and usage habits.
Leave the phone at home.
Secondary battery could in theory be used to power things (4:14)???
No way, it is physically too small to support such a load (physically smaller battery - can support less peak load) + it must NOT be drained for tracking or secondary battery might not be userfull for it's primary task - supporting clock when primary battery is removed or deeply discharged.
2. Why would phone manufacturers put more expensive rechargeable secondary battery when more affordable primary one still does the job of making sure clock is running. This cuts electricall power from secondary battery for spying resons dramatically
3. Why would phone manufacturers put secondary battery at all into devices they make (like Apple)?
Just leave the phone at home and when you go outside they will not track you
That kinda defeats the purpose of having a mobile phone
I love this man and his video. Well done! I know you’ve heard this before as advise, but don’t carry a phone. Sound simplistic and dumb. I get it. Just a little about me, I am not better than anyone reading this, but I have been to Iran 7 times, and I got my visas in one day. Just sayin, and enough said. This man is straight on about phones. The only problem we have is the most current technology we know about, is really 10 years behind what is actually being used today to track us. We just don’t know it. So, as dumb as it sounds, don’t carry any phone. It’s not just about being a gray man, be the invisible man. Make your money being invisible, figure that out, and you will own everything.
Goddang, you're WISE.
I don't like the nickname "dumb phones" for feature phones because by far not all of them were "dumb".
Sure, there were basic monochrome Nokias and such, but then there were also mid-range and high-end Sony Ericsson phones, for example. Like SE Walkman W200 and K800. They could browse the web, install Java apps without restrictions (Nokia and Samsung phones had Java file size restrictions, for example), play plenty of games, etc. Heck, I played MMORPG games like Son of Timehonored and TibiaME on my Sony Ericsson phones. Also Java versions of Galaxy on Fire and Deep3D, which were pretty demanding and complex 3D games.
Doesn't sound very "dumb phone" to me!
Very true. We even had early versions of music recognition and media stores. Some 3D games on my Sony Ericsson had almost PS1 level visuals.
@@MicroChirp For sure. Some of the Java games back then looked very impressive, like Deep 3D, Sega Rally, Galaxy On Fire to name a few. I had several different Sony Ericsson phones back then too, and they ran these games quite well.
That addiction gem was such a savage way of looking at it 😂
yea i am only going for a dumbphone when nokia releases their upcoming built in bluetooth wireless earbuds... for the sole reason of just using it as an mp3 player... my smartphone is already barely functioning as a smartphone and i want to stave off my new addiction to shopping apps and food delivery apps after i barely use social media nowadays.... i mean i use my phone for reading books as well but that craving for food and shopping in the internet is making me fatter... and i think if i can remove that till i get fit... i can probably use my smartphone again without any of those addiction issues...
Very smart idea!!! Love it. What’s the status of the new Nokia??
Interestingly, there are only a few carriers in the UK who are still allowed to use the 2G bands. 2G and 3G will be phased out in the next 10 years. Gotta force people to get those upgrades so they can check out our nudes.
Wait till you find out that 5G uses the same bands AND tech of 2G/3G for certain things. They could easily make it backwards compatible with old phones but that’s not gonna sell new phones, is it?
Hey Mental Outlaw, can you make a review of the Steam Client integrated web browser? I'm thinking of using it as my daily driver.
Nice video. I think I’m still going to get a feature phone though. Not worried about being tracked, I’m more concerned it won’t be as addicting so I won’t be glued to it.
Another reason is that they don’t have internet, so you can’t use an open source encrypted messenger, and forced to use SMS and legacy calls, which have no privacy. They can identify you from your voice, so the calls will be enough to identify you even though it’s pseudonymous.
do you have any sources on that "secondary battery"? every phone I ever dismantled had only one, and even if there was a cmos type battery I don't think it would have enough power to keep the tracking up for more than 1 or 2 minutes
Hey! How you doin? Nice to see your daily vids.
Everyone wants to rip on people being on their phones all the time. Say you're on a train ride, on the subway or something. Well, do you know those other people on the train? Do you have a particular interest in talking to them? What would you talk about? The weather? Maybe they're not interested in socializing. Maybe you'd talk to them and find out that like so many other city dwellers, they're crazy. So just do both. Leave the phone in the pocket for awhile, and then get it out for awhile. There's a balance you can strike and it works out fine.
I loved the ending.
Painful but true.
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I am a dumb phone user here for many reasons. Sure, I am well aware my device can be used to track my whereabouts, but who has access to these records? My mobile phone company and any government agencies wishing to get hold of them. As a civilian I can't do much to prevent government surveillance, but I can for sure reduce the amount large co operations, namely google and Facebook can access of my data. If I choose to buy a smartphone I have no choice but to agree to their terms and conditions which allow the device I paid for to track information for advertisement purposes. Sure, I am using my google account now, but when I leave the house google cannot track me through my dumb phone and neither send information back to their servers for advertisement purposes. Is it really advertising though? What happens with the information such android devices send back to google? That information is passed beyond my country's border where UK privacy laws don't count.
Wow, I was not expecting the Mental Outlaw to look like this (but again many Linux users have a beard). I think I am going back to voiceovers, I like them more.
If I ever buy another phone it will be a pinephone64, I'll never buy another Android trash phone, I have been unhappy with every single one I've owned.
Bruh have you tried a pinephone
They're not exactly ready for primetime. It's a great concept and I love having it on me, but I'd wait until the OS options are more fully functional; even mobile service doesn't always work depending on what you're running
@@mrcrazyadd2 I understand, that's why I want to support the development, it's critically important that it gets working well so people can leave the trash and have control of their device.
honestly, I have an iPhone SE for 4 years now, and it's much better than any Android device I've ever owned. From a privacy point of view, I'm probably screwed anyways.
@@realGBx64 I would never use apple products, I'll quit using tech all together if that's my only option left.
forgot the best part of a dumb phone, low maintenance/care! mine spends weeks between charges (yes, WEEKS) and you can drop it like an ugly baby and it'll be just fine. Got tired of those expensive glass slabs.
Outlaw is built like a truck, holy moly
Phones ping a satellite for time
At this point you're propapely more suspicious if you don't leave enough data behind
I switched to dumb phones because I noticed that android was becoming a dependency, so I took tally of capabilities I lose if I don't have phone. I decided that I would do all my mapping, math, problem solving, and daily planning manually with pen and paper. I think anyone that does this might actually be a sadomasochist, so I have trouble understanding how dumb phones are for people with a lack of self discipline.
@@bqsyubsaiun It doesn't matter which dumb phone you buy, just make sure you have everything you need. There's not really anything that can replace photographic evidence, so if that's a requirement for you, then maybe going the de-googled android route would be a better fit. Unfortunately, I had to switch to a stock android so that I could use EVV gps tracking for work. Muh Freedoms!
I Still use my pocket sized composition book for notes, lists, math, and map directions. Other than EVV or phone calls/texts, I avoid using my phone.
Bruh, you do realise that every smartphone has a separate processor, with no ties from your main processor that is completely close-sourced and proprietary and can't be flashed no matter how many "custom ROMs" of de-Googled Android you install, called a baseband processor?
Yeah, supposedly its only function is to convert discrete signals to analog for transmission via your antenna and communication over 3G/4G/EDGE etc., but you never know what else it does. What IT clearly does is contradictory enough to your suggestion.
By all means, feature phones are still much much more superior for privacy. The "standing out" argument can be used for our hardcore de-Googled users too. If done *perfectly ideally*, their phone will be just as suspicious to glow-guys as a feature phone, because to their eyes there is no more data coming than a feature phone.
Yeah, probably the only way to get around that would be to have a pinephone or something with an open source radio module. (Not sure if those have them yet, but I saw a video about it. I think they were running doom or something on the module)
Can’t track this cup and string 😈😈😈
One thing I would add is that smart phones are capable of having some privacy that dumb phones can't. Encrypted messenger apps are probably safe if you want your privacy. Dumb phones are only capable of making regular calls and messaging via text, both are handled by the corporations and government. So I'd say just get a smart phone with a stripped down OS and only use it for things that aren't tracking you.
Telegram is a spook
@@bleryper Signal all the way.
They probably just Pegasus every phone that downloads encrypted messaging apps anyway
Absolutely brilliant and well said. !!!
I stay at home all day so i didn't need data or anything. My LG feature phone was $40 and my plan is $10 per month. I used to pay around $100 per month for my iphone with verizon!
Awesome video discipline beats motivation any day of the week
"the glow boys" only in the dark
The main appeal of feature phones is it's less distracting, not much else. A lot of them run Android but they often have less than 1GB ram and no touchscreen, so they're basically just a less powerful smartphone.
Well most “secondary” battery would have enough juice to power the broadband chip or mic for about 0.5 seconds 😅
The secondary CMOS battery is not enough to power up a phone / radio
Knowledgeable video, thanks.
The world is becoming too spooky these days.
I have been following your channel love your content
I've been exposed to linux now I'm here and wrapping my phone in tin foil and sleeping with tinfoil blankets
Some topics like hardware switch for microphone, repair-ability, Debian GNU/Linux based OS and open hardware specs are covered in Purism products like Librem-5.
Cons - cost, incompatibility with Android apps (obvious, but there are some experimental features) and older internals like CPU/cam/etc.
Gsm tracking is way more accurate, or what I have actually experienced, not only that but they save data for years, notnonly that buying a nev sim is not enough because the IMEI number thy can just track that. You'd need to buy new phone regularily and new prepaid sim card separately with cash from remote store in like discuise or something, you cant go there with car ornpublic transport, oh and you should use voice changer with different voice for different phone because people can and will track your voice as well (my voice sample has been taken) so yeha all that trouble seems quite much unless you are like pablo escobar or something like that.
I just like physical buttons.
This Drake Deepfake is pretty convincing
The only way to be completely free of tracking is to be completely free of web browsers. Anything ANYTHING that's got Google or Apple is tracked and listened to. If you have No webbing AT ALL, you will not to listened to or your shopping will not be followed, since it's not done by your phone. I have a Nokia 110 with no webbing on it. None.
It does texts and calls. I know the phone itself can be traced by the ping however the level of eavesdropping is almost non- probable.
I do not own my low end phone to avoid tracking but rather
to increase my attention span, cut the 135$ monthly cost and get better sex from my spouse. Right?
Illinois.
There is a technology called SFN (Single Frequency Network), built into cellular communication since 2g (3gpp2 cdma technology tree) or 3g (3gpp gsm technology tree). Therefore there is a possibility for different subscribers to use exactly same frequencies even beeing in a area beetwen the same cell towers. Triangulating all their subscribers leaves cellular company with a massive hit in uplink capacity. Cellular operators can NOT take that loss for cost reasons alone. There is just as good approach: log subscriber's cell tower and cell sector since this do NOT take away any of their precious network capacity.
If you are worried about you'r GSM phone triangulated and tracked there is anouther technology called DSS to make sure neighboring cells are busy selling LTE capacity in the same freqency at the same time as you'r cell tower provies you with GSM.