This is 100% planned because you shoot yourself in the foot for the new marketing. It's fake just to drive the price down of their product so they can buy back the ipace at a much cheaper rate. This reminds me of the Phoenix group who bought MG Rover. They looked after the execs and that's what the Jag execs are doing. Looking after themselves and making the company worthless. Jaguar will be gone in 6 months.
Jaguar is moving its manufacturing back to the UK. The Ipace was a very early EV all aluminium same pouch cells as the Chevy Bolt I believe and they had similar issues and all got recalled. Issues with the way the cells were manufactured
The only Jaguar I would consider buying, would have ever considered buying, is an XKE. Horrible reliability, but the most beautiful car ever made, at least the most beautiful car reasonably accessible by the common man.
Sam. your dad may have loved them however the mechanic failed to tell him you need to carry 10 litres of oil to keep them running they leaked like sieves. I had an E type in my workshop for body repairs for a week and it took another week to get the oil stains off the for once it left.
I agree about the ridiculous advert and that Jaguar are finished….but I would defend the iPace. It is much more luxurious and way better to drive than a Tesla (I did a back to back road test). The later ones are less likely to have problems. - I had absolutely zero problems in my 2023 model. Jaguar dealers are very poor so I don’t know how they expect to compete with Bentley and Aston etc.
Jaguar won't be able to compete with Rolls and Bently whatsoever. That is what is so ridiculous about the CEO's new branding and 2026 EV product effort/plan.
You may moan about Jaguar, but isn't it the battery supplier's fault? GM had problems with similar batteries and managed to get compensation from LG Chen/Energy. Couldn't Jaguar do the same?
Elon Musk warned manufacturers against using pouch cells… they expand and contract excessively and the tabs therefore suffer of metal fatigue and therefore hotspots. Pouch cells were only ever any use in m Polaroid cameras.
Jaguar is hoping its new business model will save them. They plan on crafting Bespoke EV's , (that are Bespoke enough not to catch on fire) at Bentley prices.
The iPace was designed, engineered and manufactured by Magna in Austria (who went on to do the same for the Fisker Ocean...) using what I believe are LG batteries like used by Chevy Bolt and a Kia models all recalled so no surprise there. Why US only?
I still loved the AWD E-type...but even with Ford engines that had good reps, Jag somehow had total unreliability with the same engines. How to drive an icon into the ground.
My Dad and his friends all loved Jaguar and the powerful engines, but they all gave up on the brand. One of the guys summed up the problem well: the engines were way too powerful for the engineering of the rest of the car, and it just shook itself a part. Sounds like the same king of fundamental engineering flaw. They are giving real jaguars a bad name.
they were LG batteries weren't they ? the same brand associated with the Solar UV battery recall ..... meanwhile everyone who criticised Toyota for using "old-tech" Nickel metal hydride in its hybrids ... might actually start to appreciate Toyota's conservatism ...
Have you considered the possibility that the bad press surrounding the iPace (ill deserved their batteries are no worse than many others) is not in accord with their new range. USA manufacturers have had the same battery issues and the catching fire statistics are still less than ICE fires. jaGuar are deliberately distancing themselves from Jaguar, no new cars for quite a few years, for a reason. New company, new cars. Cheaper EVs to the European and US markets can be just TATA vehicles sold under ones sold under whatever brand name TATA chooses.
ICE fires can be extinguished by the local fire departments world over. An EV battery fire cannot be extinguished by any fire department in the known world. An EV fire is a chemical reaction unaffected by water , and without any need for an outside source of oxygen for the fire to continue until the chemical reaction is finished by consuming itself.
Jaguar great brand but for the last 20+ years have built shit unreliable poorly designed cars, no wood or leather like old school Jags, that's there brand, that's why no one buys them, they have forgotten there market, they are doomed.
I think they have a LONG way to go before the newest electric cars can survive the same length of time as legacy cars. Not impossible at all, they just haven't gone through a few iterations yet.
That depends how you count. If not for being destroyed in the world wars cars from the late 19th century - powered by batteries and using electric motors would have survived until now. In the US many Baker Electric are still alive today. The Porsches have not survived they were scrapped in 1982 after having run roughly 10 million km. If you count modern cars EVs easily survive modern fossil burners. First the computers get no more updates - the form of energy does not matter. Then other electronics give up and destroy themselves, the motors would last 1000 years if they do not corrode. How long do legacy cars last? 15 years? 20 years? How many oldtimers survive of a given production era? 100? 1000? of how many? Millions.
In Norway the car fires are going down, because it's 26,3% of all cars on the road are EV's. Last year it was 8 EV fires in 9 mounths. So let's say 12 fires a year, with 1/4 of EV's on the road. That's 48 fires.... Compared with the 2200-2600 fires a year, normally. If you include that the EV's are newet, 20 times less fires is probably correct.
It doesnt matter. An insurer looks at the worst implications from the worst event because at some point it will happen, if that event is not insurable then that risk must be removed from the premium calculation. Running into this problem with ev chargers in apartment blocks, the insurer could be liable for the cost of every life in a hotel and also the building structure. The solution is easy - park fire risks outside the building.
You fail to mention that virtually every EV fire results in the total destruction of the vehicle, with no salvagable parts or residual salvage value. ICE vehicles can have the fire extinguished by the local fire departments and usually have some salvage value.
Just let a chinese company buy the company,make it an all chinese ev platform and stick a jaguar badge on it and sell it for less. Look at how good the Cyberster and MG4 are already.British history of poor quality cars gone like the 20th century.
Depreciation far greater for the Porsche Taycan named as the least reliable EV with 58% of new customers saying it has gone wrong be it drive/battery charging, electrical issues etc.
In Norway the depreciation of fossil cars are brutal. And, if you buy an expensive car the depreciation are higher. This is with fossil cars, and with EV's.
Jaguar have just turned into a pound land product, expensive but nasty. Totally unreliable and ultra expensive to fix, look at there ingenium engine apsolute crap and there still selling it, company is doomed.
EVs will be the down fall, it's not only that consumers don't want them. They don't need them. There is no need to create new cars, there are plenty and they work forever. You just get paid to push this agenda with your promos and investments. Costs more to the environment to produce them, than to just drive what is already available. Cars developed so well until the hybrids. They will last forever. Why buy a new car? The average age will keep rising and the end of brands will happen. Soon, Chinese cars will be blocked as the west doesn't want China to grow.
Hyundai and KIA have had a spate of ICE cars catching fire, parked and switched off, since 2010. GM had a similar problem with turned off ICE SUVs catching fire.
The Jaguar I-Pace is the Pot of $hit at the end of the LGBTQ+ Rainbow Tellytubbies managing the Jaguar/Faguar/Draguar/Phaguar dumpster fire these days.
The I-pace has been recalled, the problem have been fixed and I have never heard about any model having this problem for a long time. So I don’t think you are talking facts…
China makes the safest EVs ever. China now makes the most luxurious and safest EV cars. Their battery’s when punctured does not catch fire. Batteries made anywhere else are problematic. Pity these were made in Austria not China. China can fix these problems in a click of their fingers. India Tata are in trouble
And just think...if a company that ACTUALLY HAS VEEN BUILDING CARS can't get EVs to not byrn up, what makes ANYONE think the CHINESE have figured it out? Considering the fact that most every EV battery comes from China...
If Jaguar's marketing is "copy nothing", they can at least copy a working car.
They deserve to go out of business. The competition never felt anything from them in the first place.
The Jag ad dropped the resale price by 75%, so Jaguar has to pay less to buy them back. Brilliant.
This is 100% planned because you shoot yourself in the foot for the new marketing. It's fake just to drive the price down of their product so they can buy back the ipace at a much cheaper rate. This reminds me of the Phoenix group who bought MG Rover. They looked after the execs and that's what the Jag execs are doing. Looking after themselves and making the company worthless. Jaguar will be gone in 6 months.
Jaguar is finding new ways of making their cars flaming.
😁
Jaguar's managers are clearly flaming!
There should be no surprise that Jaguar's are burning. Their ad campaign was styled after Paris is Burning.
they're doomed
Good!
It's a beautiful car. I just wish it was anywhere near as good a car as it looks.
I almost bought one back in 2016 or so. It drove so nice. It was so smooth. It was beautiful thank God I couldn’t afford it at the time.
ALL LG BATTERIES .
Is LG Japanese?
Had three of them. Huge mechanical issues. Never again!
Ads are more important than engineering. But who buys a Jag these days?
Jaguar cars are deleting themeselves as fast as the company is self imploding.
The Jaguars are committing ritual suicide in embarrassment after the latest Jaguar branding video.
Jaguar are buying back their cars because they want to celebrate New Years eve in style
Jaguar is moving its manufacturing back to the UK. The Ipace was a very early EV all aluminium same pouch cells as the Chevy Bolt I believe and they had similar issues and all got recalled. Issues with the way the cells were manufactured
It was the Korean design. The xf was the last cool Jaguar. Perhaps F-Type too.
They are pretty common her in Norway - and still sells new for 65.000USD. Used goes for 20.000.- 2018 models. Never heard about this problem...
The only Jaguar I would consider buying, would have ever considered buying, is an XKE. Horrible reliability, but the most beautiful car ever made, at least the most beautiful car reasonably accessible by the common man.
Jaguar don't even make these things! its a contractor in Austria churns them out, badly by the sounds of it !
This is like Korea. Not only the design.
These Jaguar I-Pace's were built by Steyr Magna in Austria.
I had an ipace loverly car never had a problem went back at the end of the lease
Sam. your dad may have loved them however the mechanic failed to tell him you need to carry 10 litres of oil to keep them running they leaked like sieves. I had an E type in my workshop for body repairs for a week and it took another week to get the oil stains off the for once it left.
Inspector Morse and his Jaguar looked good. The E-type was phenomenal. That I-pace thing looks awful, oversized rear-ender.
Trust me, I am not going to buy a Jaguar.
So the farcical rebrand advert has successfully worked for them as a cover up! Makes sense now.
The battery was probably built by Lucas 😂
Flaming adds Flaming Product cant wait till its all ashes 🤣🤣🤣
After the recent rebranding, it's not a stretch to think the engineering department of Jaguar might all be DEI hires.
Or Tellytubbies.
oh so their motto is not 'set the world alight '!?
Evening bro TATA baba 😆
I think Waymo uses Jaguar i pace cars for their self driving fleet. Apparently self driving and self igniting demonstrates some sort of compatibility.
I agree about the ridiculous advert and that Jaguar are finished….but I would defend the iPace. It is much more luxurious and way better to drive than a Tesla (I did a back to back road test). The later ones are less likely to have problems. - I had absolutely zero problems in my 2023 model. Jaguar dealers are very poor so I don’t know how they expect to compete with Bentley and Aston etc.
Jaguar won't be able to compete with Rolls and Bently whatsoever. That is what is so ridiculous about the CEO's new branding and 2026 EV product effort/plan.
If the new electric Jag doesn’t have a growler or a leaper I’m out.
It has a cac in a cage on its door handles. They had to put the cat in the cage because it kept running away from the new EV Jaguar in embarrassment.
Even the picture of the Jaguar CEO is cringe.
It's better than the urge to projectile vomit when I see Musk.
He is. gay fellow collecting a huge salary for ending the brand.
You may moan about Jaguar, but isn't it the battery supplier's fault? GM had problems with similar batteries and managed to get compensation from LG Chen/Energy. Couldn't Jaguar do the same?
Being an adult means getting excited about new kitchen gadgets instead of new shoes👅
Elon Musk warned manufacturers against using pouch cells… they expand and contract excessively and the tabs therefore suffer of metal fatigue and therefore hotspots. Pouch cells were only ever any use in m Polaroid cameras.
Sam is the Mguy of EV channels?
Jaguar is hoping its new business model will save them. They plan on crafting Bespoke EV's , (that are Bespoke enough not to catch on fire) at Bentley prices.
I wonder how much Jaguar paid to win car of the year because it definitely wasn't merit based!!!
Former owner and had to be bought out......
Sad to say the company has stopped employing engineers for years. Not really surprised.They are not an English brand and built in Austria
Is what “copy nothing means” like coping battery cooling systems that don’t overheat and burst into flames?
The iPace was designed, engineered and manufactured by Magna in Austria (who went on to do the same for the Fisker Ocean...) using what I believe are LG batteries like used by Chevy Bolt and a Kia models all recalled so no surprise there. Why US only?
Probably because US has strong laws protecting the consumer while in Europe is "sorry sir they all do that"
I still loved the AWD E-type...but even with Ford engines that had good reps, Jag somehow had total unreliability with the same engines.
How to drive an icon into the ground.
My Dad and his friends all loved Jaguar and the powerful engines, but they all gave up on the brand. One of the guys summed up the problem well: the engines were way too powerful for the engineering of the rest of the car, and it just shook itself a part. Sounds like the same king of fundamental engineering flaw. They are giving real jaguars a bad name.
First before the bots 😂
Jaguar be very weird
Coincidence? I think not!
Copy nothing, create fire?
Faguar sucks . Always have been junk xj7's all along the highways years ago 😂😂😂
J'ai montré cette vidéo à mon copain et maintenant il veut essayer tout ce que nous avons vu. Il va falloir que je me prépare 🍓
better off with a corolla
Jaguar is another Nissan, more legacy brands to fail
Jaguar was bought by Tata. What do you expect?
It's not surprising in any way, considering the battery type they use, just terrible
Who supplied the batteries for jaguar?
LG from China.
they were LG batteries weren't they ?
the same brand associated with the Solar UV battery recall .....
meanwhile everyone who criticised Toyota for using "old-tech" Nickel metal hydride in its hybrids ...
might actually start to appreciate Toyota's conservatism ...
Not sure how you define three whole fires as catching fire all over the place.
Self-immolation by battery fire is uncontrollable in the I-Pace.
Didn't the auto media vote this European and World Car of the Year?
Yeah, I wonder how many stuffed brown paper bags were handed out to make this happen ...🤗🤗
Bake in the day a Jag was cool with bank robbers an shit
Another victim of electrification mandates...
Magna wasn't helpful.
Battery pack is from LG. Why LG can not help to fix this?
Who designed the pack and cooling system?
Have you considered the possibility that the bad press surrounding the iPace (ill deserved their batteries are no worse than many others) is not in accord with their new range. USA manufacturers have had the same battery issues and the catching fire statistics are still less than ICE fires. jaGuar are deliberately distancing themselves from Jaguar, no new cars for quite a few years, for a reason. New company, new cars. Cheaper EVs to the European and US markets can be just TATA vehicles sold under ones sold under whatever brand name TATA chooses.
ICE fires can be extinguished by the local fire departments world over. An EV battery fire cannot be extinguished by any fire department in the known world. An EV fire is a chemical reaction unaffected by water , and without any need for an outside source of oxygen for the fire to continue until the chemical reaction is finished by consuming itself.
Jaguar great brand but for the last 20+ years have built shit unreliable poorly designed cars, no wood or leather like old school Jags, that's there brand, that's why no one buys them, they have forgotten there market, they are doomed.
Don’t they use the same LG batteries that the Bolt used?
Yes, made by same LG company in China.
I think they have a LONG way to go before the newest electric cars can survive the same length of time as legacy cars. Not impossible at all, they just haven't gone through a few iterations yet.
I think that's more of a Jaguar thing than an electric car thing.
That depends how you count. If not for being destroyed in the world wars cars from the late 19th century - powered by batteries and using electric motors would have survived until now. In the US many Baker Electric are still alive today. The Porsches have not survived they were scrapped in 1982 after having run roughly 10 million km.
If you count modern cars EVs easily survive modern fossil burners. First the computers get no more updates - the form of energy does not matter. Then other electronics give up and destroy themselves, the motors would last 1000 years if they do not corrode.
How long do legacy cars last? 15 years? 20 years?
How many oldtimers survive of a given production era? 100? 1000? of how many? Millions.
🤣
In Norway the car fires are going down, because it's 26,3% of all cars on the road are EV's. Last year it was 8 EV fires in 9 mounths. So let's say 12 fires a year, with 1/4 of EV's on the road.
That's 48 fires....
Compared with the 2200-2600 fires a year, normally.
If you include that the EV's are newet, 20 times less fires is probably correct.
It doesnt matter. An insurer looks at the worst implications from the worst event because at some point it will happen, if that event is not insurable then that risk must be removed from the premium calculation. Running into this problem with ev chargers in apartment blocks, the insurer could be liable for the cost of every life in a hotel and also the building structure. The solution is easy - park fire risks outside the building.
You fail to mention that virtually every EV fire results in the total destruction of the vehicle, with no salvagable parts or residual salvage value. ICE vehicles can have the fire extinguished by the local fire departments and usually have some salvage value.
Just let a chinese company buy the company,make it an all chinese ev platform and stick a jaguar badge on it and sell it for less.
Look at how good the Cyberster and MG4 are already.British history of poor quality cars gone like the 20th century.
Depreciation far greater for the Porsche Taycan named as the least reliable EV with 58% of new customers saying it has gone wrong be it drive/battery charging, electrical issues etc.
In Norway the depreciation of fossil cars are brutal.
And, if you buy an expensive car the depreciation are higher. This is with fossil cars, and with EV's.
Jaguar have just turned into a pound land product, expensive but nasty. Totally unreliable and ultra expensive to fix, look at there ingenium engine apsolute crap and there still selling it, company is doomed.
made in India, no? 😅
No, completely made by Steyr Magna in Austria as a sub contractor.
EVs will be the down fall, it's not only that consumers don't want them. They don't need them. There is no need to create new cars, there are plenty and they work forever. You just get paid to push this agenda with your promos and investments.
Costs more to the environment to produce them, than to just drive what is already available.
Cars developed so well until the hybrids. They will last forever. Why buy a new car? The average age will keep rising and the end of brands will happen.
Soon, Chinese cars will be blocked as the west doesn't want China to grow.
I’ve never heard of a gas car catching fire when it was parked and turned off.
Hyundai and KIA have had a spate of ICE cars catching fire, parked and switched off, since 2010. GM had a similar problem with turned off ICE SUVs catching fire.
Park one in dry grass and get back to me.
The Jaguar I-Pace is the Pot of $hit at the end of the LGBTQ+ Rainbow Tellytubbies managing the Jaguar/Faguar/Draguar/Phaguar dumpster fire these days.
Sam talks about mechanics in the 60's & 70's Sam you're around 40 y.o. . ????
The I-pace has been recalled, the problem have been fixed and I have never heard about any model having this problem for a long time. So I don’t think you are talking facts…
China makes the safest EVs ever. China now makes the most luxurious and safest EV cars. Their battery’s when punctured does not catch fire. Batteries made anywhere else are problematic. Pity these were made in Austria not China. China can fix these problems in a click of their fingers. India Tata are in trouble
And just think...if a company that ACTUALLY HAS VEEN BUILDING CARS can't get EVs to not byrn up, what makes ANYONE think the CHINESE have figured it out? Considering the fact that most every EV battery comes from China...
Evs catch fire this is not news to anyone by now