Yeah, I find it weird how all the plot developments for Pariah Nexus happen after the edition centered on it has ended. inb4 the 4th Tyrannic War will be the lore focus during 11th edition
Cause GW had to reset the lore in the middle of 8th edition because they accidentally set it in like 100-200 years in the future so they backpedaled. So 9th edition (aka the Necron edition) became the Plague Wars. So now every edition will be one ahead of the lore
“The Admech and Necrons have unleashed unimaginable technological horrors to fight each other! Here’s a dude on stilts to showcase these improvements!”
We did see it though??? Like they gave us multiple examples of stuff like a dark age weapon blowing up a necron fleet and half of an entire planet the admech were defending along with it. Also they are deploying dark age tech FOR THIS FIGHT SPECIFICALLY. Why the hell would admech forces gain access to ultra powerfull dark age tech factionwide as if it was a common weapon they used. I swear to god this community just complains to complain sometimes.
I have a feeling a lot of this was meant to come out during 9th edition but got delayed due to covid and thats why we're getting it now instead of the new Tyrannid stuff shown in the 10th edition trailer
@@haraldbredsdorff2699might as well have the nids show up tbh 4 way between chaos, blue berry man, the slient king and nids the slient kings main worry is the nids after
@@azeria1 Yeah this Vashtorr stuff is crazy when he clearly just can't hold a candle to the Necrons and they were always set up as the people to curb the Nids. Their guns break down their molecules which stops the biomass pits from working, they are an inverted version of the Nids battle wise, high tech and eternally reforming instead of biological and endlessly being born, and they're just explicitly said to have goals meaning they cannot coexist with the Nids despite being the only big race the Nids really shouldn't give a fuck about.
The story moving forward in the worst way possible. Only way it's redeemed is if Vashtorr is rapidly dispatched by the 'crons and they go 1v1v1 with Leviathan and each other.
Dark mechanicum as a new faction with Vashtor as center piece would be nice. Not that i would play them but maybe some units for display. Also i think the Thousand Sons really need some models and an update. I kinda dont like how the necrons are getting threated, but i cant explain it.
We used to have the whole lore of Necrons being connected to the cult mechanicus, that now seem to be ignored. It is also, how Necrons is being used as the great danger by other factions, but we do not really get Necrons own view point. So, they are treated more as a natural phenomena, than a actual faction. Could be one of those?
Dark Mechanicum has been a long time coming. It's been a bit awkward in previous editions where DarkMech were meant to be involved, but you couldn't play them on tabletop because they're not an army. So you have to work with other armies, like Chaos Space Marines or Chaos Knights.
Trazyn in The Infinite and The Divine won over the a whole new generation of Necrons fans and elevated their status among the average 40K fan. I think Trazyn in tandem with the possibility of new god Vashtorr/new faction in dark mech via the nexus which Necrons are at the centre of means Necron players are going to be eating good in the coming years! I don’t blame GW for running with this and I hope we get to see all that old lore connecting them to mech come back in new form as lore typically does.
I think we’re building to a major internal conflict between the different forces of chaos: We have Be’lakor, the Thousand Sons, and The Red Corsairs all who either oppose Abadoon or Vashtor or both. We have then Abaddon, the World Eaters, and Vashtor who have been working together. Perhaps we’re setting up a big chaos brawl with each chaos marine forces and elements of traitor forces fighting each other which will narrative wise ensure the chaos don’t just crush the Imperium.
I was thinking a war between the Red Corsairs and Black Legion would be a cool premise for a Crusade book, also an excuse to give Huron an actual model.
Yeah... I was going to collect admech but I ended up swapping to Knights and boy am I glad. They should just do an ass pull of "Cawl reinvents Horus Heresy technology!" at this rate, admech is critically lacking a theme and it's model design is all over the place.
Remember how they introduced the Pariah Nexus plot point at the end of 8th in the Psychic Awakening campaign and was featured at the beginning of 9th, but only having any major developments happening now, well into 10th? We're going to have to wait for GW to give us anything major on the 4th Tyrannic War.
I suspect the Pariah Nexus is about the 4th tyrannic war. Sort of. Well, it will be. I know that sounds like a stretch but hear me out. Tyrannic war is all about a tendril of tyranid invading. I'm working under the assumption that this is just the "tip of the spear" so to speak. All of the tyranids we've fought so far were just the initial landing forces and we're in for much much much worse to come. Blackstone messes with tyranid hive mind signals. The Pariah Nexus is probably going to be one of the last "relatively safe" bastions from that swarm. *IF* we can survive being there.
The Nids of Leviathan are still in early adaptation stages, and are largely under control due to arriving within active Imperial space. I expect them to see more success later on, but rn they’re kind of a non-threat
The only blackstone fortress still under control by anyone and fully working if the harlequins and eldar didn't take or over which was the last time we saw it
@@azeria1 Abaddon screwed it up by trying to install a daemon as the OS of the fortress... then gave it to the Corsairs because he couldn't control it. Is it really under their control?
Not sure where the Blackstone fortress stuff is at, but don't the 'Crons have like seven and the tech to maintain them as they made them, or was that retconned?
@@Derploop Vaul, Eldar god made the Fortresses. Crons have other, probably more terrifying, space forts. The World Engine was one such thing, I'm sure there are others, each mildly unique.
Well it is more of a mobile ship then an actual fortress or battleship since the guns don't work. "You would think Abaddon would tell us how it works? No, just like the gods they give you something but don't tell you how to use it unless you do a bargain and then an another and another until you are fully theirs." - Huron
The black stone being used that way is interesting makes you wonder if the black stone fortresses could be used that way if abbadon hadn't destroyed most of them
Abaddon destroyed more than one ? Also the one that crashed on Cadia did so because it lost so hard in naval fights that it was gutted and unusable, so instead of just losing it Abbadon had it crash on Cadia
@@flarys6732 the twelfth black crusades goal was to get as many as possible he ended up with 2 one being used to destroy cadia the other a gift for hurron black heart he at one point he also did something that caused 4 of them to disintegrate so currently we only know of 2 still around the one hurron might still have the seventh which is part of the the blackstone fortress table top game
bro, everyone is just bullying the Silent King, from Imotekh, to the Admech, now Chaos is breaching what is supposed to be a region separated from the warp, now Guilliman is coming, and I doubt that the Pariah Nexus isn't in the way of a Hive Fleet's path. The Pariah Nexus might soon become a battle royale for a lot of the factions.
@@haraldbredsdorff2699 Did you guys forget how 40k settings always operated? It was always myriads plot threads that goes very slowly for years. Why expect sudden quick developments like it was always the case?
@@ruslanhoncharenko2179 major agreement. I had an off feeling reading the comments but you hit the nail on the head- people just forgot how GW does the narrative
Their timeline is all over the place, even with the rewrite of the DI books. And throwing another conundrum in, they’ve changed it again; the latest Dark Angels book (coinciding with Arks of Omen the Lion), Enmity’s Esge, puts the timeline firmly 100 years into M42, meaning they’ve retconned the retcon. This evidently picks up where 9th began. Arks of Omen happened, hence Vash. Why is the Indomitus Crusade still going on? It ended. We have the Solblades from the 4th Tyrannic War in its place. Someone gotta get Leutin on this.
It’s all just been going off the rails and laboring under increasingly illogical and contradictory progressions. The threads that hold together my interest in the setting entirely are wearing very thin.
AoS is getting the Horned Rat as the 5th Chaos god, right? Vashtorr... starts with "V". Verminlord... starts with "V". Vashtorr likes to play with crazy magi-tech machines... Skaven like to play with crazy magi-tech machines. It all adds up! During Vashtorr's apotheosis scene, a rat is going to scamper into the beam or chamber or whatever, and it's going to be the era of the Horned Rat and the Dark Rat-chanicum. Ratpocalypse.
40k has shitloads of plot threads that slowly develops (or not) through for entire editions. Dunno why everyone asking those questions, it's the quite expected pace from GW
Vashtorr would just take control of the Automatas, remember he controls all machines, he have done this before when he went toe to toe against Be'Lakor.
Vashtorr does not care if there is a machine spirit, he also takes control of Tau tech. so anything that can be seen as tech he can take control of or change.
Why’s everyone in 40K so against Mr Vashtorr opening his Lock? The way I see it, he opens the lock, he gets big boost, and then all other factions will get something new to counteract this new threat
Imperium hates Chaos, Necrons hates Chaos, Eldar hates Chaos, Chaos hates Chaos. Nobody wants the other to succeed no matter what or under any circumstance
@@moderndavinci6599 Correct me if I'm wrong but Crons don't really care about Chaos, no? If they win it goes away anyway. They just oppose psykers in general.
Vashtorr: I am a demon who controls technology and will become a god Silent King: I am a techno-god, you have no power over any Necron tech and you're in the Pariah Nexus dumb f*ck *Silent King true deaths Vashtorr instantly*
It would be nice if GW keep all their lore in one consistent location instead of spreading it across multiple mediums, making it really damn hard to follow wtf is going on.
GW have no idea what's going on in their lore either, don't worry. A Chaos Demon just warped into the pariah nexus and was empowered by the technology of a psychic null race who are infinitely more powerful and technologically capable than he is. All things being logical, some random Necron Overlord probably rips Vashtorr's dick off in a second.
Well the chaos stuff is going to be in the background for sure, it might be a thing where they switch back and forth because the last major narrative event we had was arks of omen sp this is just a continuation of that while tje tyrannic war is going on, they also need some chaos lore so they can bring in emperor's children with fulgrim. So there's gotta be some chaos stuff happening and just because there's a war against the nids doesn't mean chaos is waiting. They just need to make sure they are balancing the story telling
7:05: Time traveler sneezes, The Eldars also known as the Necrons of the old one, created the Weapons known as Astartes, A weapon that has the power to destroy stars
So how Vasthor's plan going horribly wrong/right? Will he awaken the fifth Chaos God? Or he'll just stalled everything like our favourite armless chaos champion?
@@haraldbredsdorff2699 I think Russ would make a little more sense. The Space Wolves are the only divergent chapter with a primarch that could return. After all, the Lion has already returned, and Sanguinius came second in his fight against Daddy Lupercal.
@@chrisbingley I would love if they used Russ, but I suspect they are saving him for later. Also, right now, GW does not seem that much into space wolfs. But this is just based on how I guess they feel. I could be completely wrong. Any of the primarchs could come back. Even the dead ones. Yes, even Ferrus could come back as some kind of dreadnaught or machine spirit. I was wondering if they where going to make vashtorr into Ferrus spirit, but it seem like they are taking a different path.
The only thing I can think of weapon wise, that was sealed, was Nightbringers REAL scythe. The Outsider is just in a Dyson Sphere somewhere near the galactic ridge. Only thing hiding that is inability to detect it (no light out there and it's kinda like looking a grain of sand in your house, if that grain could float).
I'm sad because everybody is there expect the T'Au. I mean im pretty sure Farsight and O'Vesa would be very interested in the Blackstone, especially after the stuff in his the Arks of Omen Book
Yes this would normaly be a problem, but the war of the Pariah Nexus happens in the Ultima Segmentum in the Imperium Nihilus ,accidently the same part of the Universe thats conected through the Startide Nexus (a giant wormhole) with the core of the T'au Empire. Also the T'au recently worked on warp travel (the prototypes of the 4th Sphere created the Startide Nexus) and implemented a functional version on every ship of the 5th Sphere, there not perfect and unstable but functional
First, you have Space Marines and at least 5 named Characters already there And second i just would finded cool if the Tau could participate in a big event . There were not part in anything Cadia, Tyrannic war or else for the above mentioned reasons, but in the Pariah Nexus they could, without some locicleap bullshitery, participate.
I think the pariah nexus is another conflict which would make more sens for Vashtor to show up then a figth against Tyranids it is like the gathering storm Campaign were many conflicts were Simultan explored
Honestly, this feels like it's all over the place. Like I'm a huge Necron fan and love the Civil War idea between Imotekh and the silent king, but man adding in the imperium/admech, now chaos, and sprinkles of Ork and Thousand Sons. Feels like it just draws away from more important things. Games Workshop couldn't figure out what to do with other races lore and they needed to be doing something, so they just crammed them in. Really wished they would have just focused on 2 sides of the story, the Necron Civil War being the A plot and Imperium/admech vs Chaos being the B plot with them sometimes crossing paths. Or better yet just let this be a Necron story, and let the Imperium focus on something else like I don't know the 4th tyrannic war? I guess the nids wasn't as big of a threat as we all thought.
I think Tzeench is having the thousand sons build all those automatons to give Vashtorr an army because Tzeench wants change, and the removal of the warp dampening.
Exodites would be the ultimate force to oppose Vashtorr. Least tech-based faction who could still fight effectively. The webcam stuff gives them a way in, too. Too bad they don't have an army...
I wish they would put their energy towards the mystery of the tyranid origin, why are they coming to this galaxy? What is their relationship to chaos, etc. there’s so much big stuff they could do there to make them interesting… just rip off Prometheus from Ridley Scott and you basically got my attention. Super race of old ones or golden men or stone men made them as a biological weapon or something crazy just tease us with SOMETHING. Send us a a few bosses!
Or they don't. I, and I know I'm not alone with that sentiment, don't like the fact that the once so ominous horus heresy and the whole backstory of the imperium is now so clearly described over a 100+ book series. Sometimes leaving things in the dark is better than knowing every answer.
GW: Sets up long running mystery of Tyranids, their origins, their relation to Necrons and Necron opposition to Tryanid victory. GW: The Silent King, potentially most powerful physical being in existence, has been voyaging in exile beyond the galactic border and is back to oppose the Tyranids GW: Makes it very clear that Necrons are warp corruption immune. GW: Sets up masive Tyranid invasion. GW: Sets up massive Necron gathering in the Pariah Nexus. GW: Anyway, here's some random Greater Demon of Chaos Undivided to try 1v5 the Silent King, Magnus the Red, Robert Guiltyman, Titsnitch and Ballsack Crawl.
@@MrunHidei completely agree but what I’m suggesting is little crumbs. The thing that makes ambiguous plot lines so infectiously good is that they need to keep stringing you along with layers to the mystery, hints… any FromSoftware game is a perfect manual for this. I don’t need a 100 book series everything explained I just want more questions to ask. Side note a good chunk of Horus heresy is very good, first 5 books are AAA sci-fi, Siege of Terra is incredible and I don’t think there is any lack of mystery in the franchise lots to speculate especially pre history pre Horus stuff.
I will say this every chance I get, but I hate how the Silent King was brought back. Hey, here is this mythical Necron leader who went toe to toe against the old ones and personally killed full powered C'tan with his spear. Now he is back and is being outmatched by Belisarius Cawl taking part of the Mechanicus fleet, and even then its just a prelude for Space Marines vs Chaos again.
@@Burdenist tabletop is fine. Vect getting set up vs guardsman #3 is basically the equivalent of Silent King vs Vashtorr though. WG just need to write their plots better.
TSK be preparing to kill Tyranids then every faction within 100 planets of him just beeline straight to him for no other reason but to bomb his home then are surprised when TSK bombs them back
Vashtorr wont ever ascend, he’s just another pawn. How would he get his power anyway? It’s not like the others that get power from the souls of sentient beings. Alternatively, if GW wants to bring the men of iron back, it would be sick to have Vashtorr and the iron warriors and men of iron form another side
He'll never ascend because that would require a major victory against the IoM. If the IoM suffers a massive loss the IoM dies and with it the setting. GW has painted itself into a corner by raising the stakes so high. From now on whenever the IoM is involved then it'll be a draw somehow because if the IoM scores a major victory then whoever it fights would look bad and sales would be affected.
With the amount of sentient beings who essentially worship technology in the galaxy, Vashtor actually has a pretty solid power base to establish himself as a fifth god.
This has always been the case. Abaddon’s black crusades are the perfect example and show how unimaginative GW really is - they had to change the story that each was part of a larger plan which was achieved because sadly, Abaddon became an absolute joke. Even the destruction of cadia and the opening of the rift hasn’t changed a whole lot.
I really don't like that Vashtorr can swap the pylons to amplify. Turning them off would be one thing, but swap? Piss off that opens so many plot holes. For instance, why didn't he just swap cadia turning it into a demon planet? Because of the way the warp works he always existed, so why were the pillars ever effective? You'd think his control over a chaos counter would make him significantly more powerful than he is.
Evey single other thing that's happening in Era Indomitus keeps reinforcing my opinion that popping out Tyranids as the big thing of an entire edition was a huge mistake. Everything else if far more fleshed out and more interesting than the actual big theme of the edition.
My biggest problem with Vashtorr's godhood, is that a chaos god is feed by the desires of souls. What on earth does Vashtorr grant, that Slanesh and tzenzh does not?
He makes all the soul forged weapons daemon engines and hands them out and makes certain deals that the individual has to meet or risk losing his own soul to Vashtorr to be used in said process.
Creation. Tzeentch is the god of magic and schemes, but any soul that wants to build something great will feed Vashtorr. Of course, that could also feed Slaanesh, but every chaos force feeds Slaanesh slightly. Khornate warbands have to constantly worry about “excess” bloodlust not fueling Slaanesh as much as Khorne.
@@BTSSPARATAN Yes, he feed of the energy the other chaos gods give him in return for weapons and armor. But that does not explain how he gets enough power for godhood. One individual making a deal, would not feed a god for 1 sec. He works as a strong demon who serve the other chaos gods independent. But not as a chaos god. That is why I have problem with this whole concept If they made him a god of greed, it could work. But they do not seem to make any setup.
@@haraldbredsdorff2699 I think the idea is more so that he's eternal been a arms dealer while also feeding off mechanical creation/destruction. Literally every deamon engine that has gone to the soul forge is contractually obligated to fight for him if it's deemed necessary. So I imagine the idea with vashtorr is that he's a small fry that has been slowly and consistently building power to make one final massive push. Starting out with his arks of omen which allowed him to create wyrmwood which could be currently sustaining him at least until he can find the super weapons. At which point he can unleash enough mechanical hell on the galaxy to allow his accession. Or it could be that the weapons in question could wound the chaos gods enough that he could then siphon enough power off them to reach godhood.
So Vash'tor, the Silent King, Roboute Gulliman, Magnus, lmotekh the Stormlord and possibly the Lion, will all meet for a cup of tea and a slice of cake. Nod to each other then go home. Games Workshop won't allow any of these characters to die so it will be just like all the other Campaigns GW have run. No result. Then back to the Tyranid incursion.
Is there really so much wrong with taking Ghazgkull and a wagggh! Of the ages with the entirety of orky war on display in the heart of a tyranids invasion? Necron's vs ad mech is cool but also i thought tyranids won 9th and therefore would snowball through the universe?
“Azeri…uh, Blackstone, Champion! Ah kin feel the open woons o’ the galaxy! We need ta collect more Blackstone ta heal the WOONS!” - Magnus Bronzenips, Primarch of Plot Armour
I love how majority of fanbase online get their lore from short summaries, retellings, youtubers, but rarely actually reading the source themselves ... And yet complaining like they are lore scholars of avid readers.
GW continues their relentless crusade to constantly crap all over the Necrons in the lore, nonstop. I also like how every single faction summary is "having their souls completely severed is bad, but anyway they're still just fine."
"Abaddon wants some super weapons to win his war once and for all." Planet Killer status: Active. Proposed plan: Surround the Planet Killer with the entire Chaos fleet -> go full throttle towards Vigilus -> destroy Vigilus -> watch the IoM crumble under its own weight due to tattered logistics, even the Eastern Empire would eventually crumble since it would be a rather small one and surrounded by enemies. 40k lore is such a joke these days.
I think they should use Vashtorr to re-boot chaos Daemons. Make Daemons mostly undivided and add in some new automaton style daemon Engines to buff. Up the army. Keep some god specific detachments, but mostly just go undivided
Im kinda hoping the end result is the silent king and storm lord fighting amongst themselves go "look up see wormsngine" hmm so we have 2 options keep fighting and that uuuugly thing wins or we kill it and these bugs on our lawn then go about our hoa meetings to decide who rules? Or you know just pick up the phone call celestial dynasty and go hey ya ya sk here so like this world thing is ugly and i dont want to see it anymore can you use the oraory to delete it thanks.....yes yes i know unforseen consequence yada yada it's unforeseen if we let that thint exsist to so ya chop chop
I'll throw out a potentially hot take - I think GW and a sizable amount of the fan base are making a huge mistake when they treat properties like 40k as stories. 40k is a setting, not a story. It is a framework from which individual stories can be couched in. When you treat 40k as a story which needs to progress in and of itself, you wind up in a situation where you risk damaging or dismantling the framework of the setting. For point of reference, instances of potentially, or outright, damaging 40ks framework include Primaris Marines (or 80% of anything Cawl gets up to to), bringing the Primarchs back, literally splitting the galaxy in two, the Silent King returning and the Necrons fully waking up, and the Ynnari (concept is fine, execution was atrocious).
I mostly agree, however I feel that 2016’s revamp was necessary. Anything past that has been way too much. The good news is, I’ve been reading and listening to stories before the Great Rift happened and it still expands the setting in a way the new lore hasn’t done for me. So yea you’re spot on.
@@TheCasualMark I'm not saying that change is inherently bad, just that people need to be mindful of what is changed and how. Change can be a beneficial thing when done right. The necrons, for example, benefited massively from moving away from their more strict characterization as soulless murder bots. The murder bot angle still exists, mind you, but now they have a more fleshed out culture and character thanks to higher ranker necrons retaining personalities. Tau being split between Tau proper and the Tau enclaves is also welcome change since it adds more depth to the faction. A large part of the broader problem, I think, stems from the fact that people often forget just how big the setting in question is. There's a literal galaxy of stuff and most of it is either poorly explored or not explored at all. All ignoring that stuff does is make the setting feel drastically smaller than it is as only the same handful of elements endless crop up (i.e. Cadians, the old Ultramarine problem, etc etc).
I just cant see them releasing a Dark Mechanicum army, with the spot Admech is in right now. Its constantly neglected, consistently one of the weakest armies, only beat out by Deathwatch as least played, extremely expensive... but they want to release a Chaos version of that that will be all those things if not worse?
This Vashtorr stuff is such bullshit. Only logical end is literally any random Necron Overlord turns up and kicks his shit in. A Demon turns up INSIDE THE PARIAH NEXUS and is strengthened by Necron technology which is literally the opposite of warp empowering or even being active in the warp. Vashtorr is a little piss baby to the Necrons if GW want to show the least bit of respect to the lore. Their role was always obviously as that of the bulwark to the other massive world ending threat; the Tyranids, who ultimately are the Necron's greatest enemy. Having a Chaos Demon of Low-as-fuck Tier Technology as their enemy is an absolute joke.
i hope to god robute shows up, gets legitly smacked once with vashtorr's hammer, n just gets launched so hard out of the pariah nexus that he deadass leaves
Oh boy I can't wait for my new edition of Black Library slop where the pee pee faction fights the poo poo warband for stupid and inconsistent reasons that will have zero bearing on the tabletop or even the lore going forward, and will inevitably get retconned anyway by some hack and then told it was always that way 🙄 No idea why anyone would care about the lore and its continued Marvel-ication
Y’all really surprised that the lore ONLY SERVES selling minis? Look what they did to Horus Heresy, female Custodes, rewriting Damocles crusade outcome time and time again - established world and lore doesn’t mean SHIT for GW. Their universe is enticing, but their lore’s becoming incoherent mess. This is my biggest issue with Warhammer 40.000 and this I dropped playing that game. Oh and saved a lot of money.
If the lore did it just for selling, they should just put all automata from Mechanicum to Admech...🤔 Admech player will for sure pay for it, but they just don't care🤷🏻♂️
Not a huge fan of how the "story" is progressing. For years the game was stuck in the last century of the 41st Millenium and now galaxy shaping shit is happening at neckbreaking speed. It really fucks up the whole concept of the "declining stagnation" of the setting. I don't mind change and story developments but it's all a tad much and very poorly handled.
New lore: Tyranids, Necrons, Vashtorr and Magnus with his TSs are all being defeated by female Custodes, but both Guilliman and Lion are not able to get fast enough to support the victory, so the Imperium can't secure the victory.
remember when 10th edition was about the 4th tyrannic war? lmao
4th tyrannic war, what's that? -James Workshop, probably
“Victory.” - Rowboat Girlyman. Guess he was being literal and we won without knowing it
Yeah, I find it weird how all the plot developments for Pariah Nexus happen after the edition centered on it has ended.
inb4 the 4th Tyrannic War will be the lore focus during 11th edition
Cause GW had to reset the lore in the middle of 8th edition because they accidentally set it in like 100-200 years in the future so they backpedaled. So 9th edition (aka the Necron edition) became the Plague Wars. So now every edition will be one ahead of the lore
That’ll be resolved in 11th edition.
“The Admech and Necrons have unleashed unimaginable technological horrors to fight each other! Here’s a dude on stilts to showcase these improvements!”
Admech what weird shit you got for the Necrons
Tech-preist:Long boy
"Warfare with Doomsday weapons being utilized freely by both sides at this time of year localized entirely in the Pariah Nexus?"
Yes
"Can we see it?"
@@AltoStratusX1no.
@@AltoStratusX1 ... No.
"Well GW, you sure are an odd fellow, but you steam a good ham."
We did see it though??? Like they gave us multiple examples of stuff like a dark age weapon blowing up a necron fleet and half of an entire planet the admech were defending along with it.
Also they are deploying dark age tech FOR THIS FIGHT SPECIFICALLY. Why the hell would admech forces gain access to ultra powerfull dark age tech factionwide as if it was a common weapon they used. I swear to god this community just complains to complain sometimes.
I really like how admech was front and center for the narrative event. All we got was stiltman.
Is this how eldar players feel?
Yes
I have a feeling a lot of this was meant to come out during 9th edition but got delayed due to covid and thats why we're getting it now instead of the new Tyrannid stuff shown in the 10th edition trailer
Might also be that space marine 2 was delayed, so they save some tyranid war to come out at the same time as the game.
@@haraldbredsdorff2699might as well have the nids show up tbh 4 way between chaos, blue berry man, the slient king and nids the slient kings main worry is the nids after
they really should have left this tyranid stuff for next edition
@@azeria1 Yeah this Vashtorr stuff is crazy when he clearly just can't hold a candle to the Necrons and they were always set up as the people to curb the Nids. Their guns break down their molecules which stops the biomass pits from working, they are an inverted version of the Nids battle wise, high tech and eternally reforming instead of biological and endlessly being born, and they're just explicitly said to have goals meaning they cannot coexist with the Nids despite being the only big race the Nids really shouldn't give a fuck about.
40k fans biggest fear... The story moving forward
The story moving forward in the worst way possible. Only way it's redeemed is if Vashtorr is rapidly dispatched by the 'crons and they go 1v1v1 with Leviathan and each other.
Dark mechanicum as a new faction with Vashtor as center piece would be nice. Not that i would play them but maybe some units for display.
Also i think the Thousand Sons really need some models and an update.
I kinda dont like how the necrons are getting threated, but i cant explain it.
We used to have the whole lore of Necrons being connected to the cult mechanicus, that now seem to be ignored.
It is also, how Necrons is being used as the great danger by other factions, but we do not really get Necrons own view point. So, they are treated more as a natural phenomena, than a actual faction.
Could be one of those?
Dark Mechanicum has been a long time coming. It's been a bit awkward in previous editions where DarkMech were meant to be involved, but you couldn't play them on tabletop because they're not an army. So you have to work with other armies, like Chaos Space Marines or Chaos Knights.
@@Bluecho4I mean hey, at least GW is putting there priority in the right place by making multiple armies of chaos space marines
Trazyn in The Infinite and The Divine won over the a whole new generation of Necrons fans and elevated their status among the average 40K fan. I think Trazyn in tandem with the possibility of new god Vashtorr/new faction in dark mech via the nexus which Necrons are at the centre of means Necron players are going to be eating good in the coming years! I don’t blame GW for running with this and I hope we get to see all that old lore connecting them to mech come back in new form as lore typically does.
I think we’re building to a major internal conflict between the different forces of chaos:
We have Be’lakor, the Thousand Sons, and The Red Corsairs all who either oppose Abadoon or Vashtor or both.
We have then Abaddon, the World Eaters, and Vashtor who have been working together.
Perhaps we’re setting up a big chaos brawl with each chaos marine forces and elements of traitor forces fighting each other which will narrative wise ensure the chaos don’t just crush the Imperium.
Perturabo have also started to make his moves and help Vashtorr.
Rumors is he will come in 11th edition as a model.
The death guard and Emperor’s Children are just gonna watch
I was thinking a war between the Red Corsairs and Black Legion would be a cool premise for a Crusade book, also an excuse to give Huron an actual model.
I didnt know Be'lakor was in 40k, is his lore any different than in fantasy?
And then the Emperor’s Children pop out of nowhere in the middle of the brawl with a steel chair (and space coke).
I swear if Ksons gets battle automata before admech does imma riot
Yeah... I was going to collect admech but I ended up swapping to Knights and boy am I glad.
They should just do an ass pull of "Cawl reinvents Horus Heresy technology!" at this rate, admech is critically lacking a theme and it's model design is all over the place.
They will, purely because GW actually seems to give a toss about the thousand sons and they treat ad-mech as an afterthought at best these days
So the 4th Tyrannic war is just...not happening now?
Remember how they introduced the Pariah Nexus plot point at the end of 8th in the Psychic Awakening campaign and was featured at the beginning of 9th, but only having any major developments happening now, well into 10th? We're going to have to wait for GW to give us anything major on the 4th Tyrannic War.
I suspect the Pariah Nexus is about the 4th tyrannic war. Sort of. Well, it will be. I know that sounds like a stretch but hear me out.
Tyrannic war is all about a tendril of tyranid invading. I'm working under the assumption that this is just the "tip of the spear" so to speak. All of the tyranids we've fought so far were just the initial landing forces and we're in for much much much worse to come.
Blackstone messes with tyranid hive mind signals. The Pariah Nexus is probably going to be one of the last "relatively safe" bastions from that swarm. *IF* we can survive being there.
The Nids of Leviathan are still in early adaptation stages, and are largely under control due to arriving within active Imperial space. I expect them to see more success later on, but rn they’re kind of a non-threat
@@saintmayhem9873if only a certain arm less man didn't destroy 4/5 of the black stone fortresses
I think is hapenning at the same time
Red Corsairs with a full ass blackstone fortress just staring 🗿
The only blackstone fortress still under control by anyone and fully working if the harlequins and eldar didn't take or over which was the last time we saw it
@@azeria1 Abaddon screwed it up by trying to install a daemon as the OS of the fortress... then gave it to the Corsairs because he couldn't control it. Is it really under their control?
Not sure where the Blackstone fortress stuff is at, but don't the 'Crons have like seven and the tech to maintain them as they made them, or was that retconned?
@@Derploop Vaul, Eldar god made the Fortresses. Crons have other, probably more terrifying, space forts. The World Engine was one such thing, I'm sure there are others, each mildly unique.
Well it is more of a mobile ship then an actual fortress or battleship since the guns don't work.
"You would think Abaddon would tell us how it works? No, just like the gods they give you something but don't tell you how to use it unless you do a bargain and then an another and another until you are fully theirs." - Huron
The black stone being used that way is interesting makes you wonder if the black stone fortresses could be used that way if abbadon hadn't destroyed most of them
Abaddon destroyed more than one ? Also the one that crashed on Cadia did so because it lost so hard in naval fights that it was gutted and unusable, so instead of just losing it Abbadon had it crash on Cadia
@@flarys6732 the twelfth black crusades goal was to get as many as possible he ended up with 2 one being used to destroy cadia the other a gift for hurron black heart he at one point he also did something that caused 4 of them to disintegrate so currently we only know of 2 still around the one hurron might still have the seventh which is part of the the blackstone fortress table top game
Chaos always be gaining/win by Deus ex Machina. Than loses by Deus ex Machina, yells while running away "I will get you next time, Samurai Jack."
very true, previous 13 black crusade losses were all part of my cunning plan.
Lazy writing
bro, everyone is just bullying the Silent King, from Imotekh, to the Admech, now Chaos is breaching what is supposed to be a region separated from the warp, now Guilliman is coming, and I doubt that the Pariah Nexus isn't in the way of a Hive Fleet's path.
The Pariah Nexus might soon become a battle royale for a lot of the factions.
I love how the Lion coming back had literally zero impact on the overall story of the imperium lol.
Same with return of Votann. Or even the current Tyrnaid war. Gw seem to forget their own stories.
@@haraldbredsdorff2699 Did you guys forget how 40k settings always operated? It was always myriads plot threads that goes very slowly for years. Why expect sudden quick developments like it was always the case?
There's time to work them into novels and lore. It's taken years to get to this point.
@@ruslanhoncharenko2179 major agreement. I had an off feeling reading the comments but you hit the nail on the head- people just forgot how GW does the narrative
This is par for the course. Always has been. They'll introduce something major and not pay it off for an edition or two.
Their timeline is all over the place, even with the rewrite of the DI books. And throwing another conundrum in, they’ve changed it again; the latest Dark Angels book (coinciding with Arks of Omen the Lion), Enmity’s Esge, puts the timeline firmly 100 years into M42, meaning they’ve retconned the retcon.
This evidently picks up where 9th began. Arks of Omen happened, hence Vash.
Why is the Indomitus Crusade still going on? It ended. We have the Solblades from the 4th Tyrannic War in its place.
Someone gotta get Leutin on this.
It’s all just been going off the rails and laboring under increasingly illogical and contradictory progressions. The threads that hold together my interest in the setting entirely are wearing very thin.
AoS is getting the Horned Rat as the 5th Chaos god, right? Vashtorr... starts with "V". Verminlord... starts with "V". Vashtorr likes to play with crazy magi-tech machines... Skaven like to play with crazy magi-tech machines. It all adds up! During Vashtorr's apotheosis scene, a rat is going to scamper into the beam or chamber or whatever, and it's going to be the era of the Horned Rat and the Dark Rat-chanicum. Ratpocalypse.
whatever happened to the Ghazkgull and Angron beef? or any of the tyranid stuff we were supposed to get in 10th edition?
40k has shitloads of plot threads that slowly develops (or not) through for entire editions. Dunno why everyone asking those questions, it's the quite expected pace from GW
Fingers crossed for Thousand Sons Automata as Tzeentch moves to stop this ascension
Vashtorr would just take control of the Automatas, remember he controls all machines, he have done this before when he went toe to toe against Be'Lakor.
@@NecroGoblin-yl2fx
Maybe the Automata could work like Rubric Marines, in that they only work if a Thousand Sons sorcerer is controlling them.
TS ones use psy crystals and no Maschine spirits to control them so it will be much harder to control them
Vashtorr does not care if there is a machine spirit, he also takes control of Tau tech.
so anything that can be seen as tech he can take control of or change.
@@Sneaker3719they're trying to use Automata explicitly because the sorcerers can not enter the Pariah Nexus, so it is not that.
Great progression of the 4th tyrannic war right here
Why’s everyone in 40K so against Mr Vashtorr opening his Lock? The way I see it, he opens the lock, he gets big boost, and then all other factions will get something new to counteract this new threat
Imperium hates Chaos,
Necrons hates Chaos,
Eldar hates Chaos,
Chaos hates Chaos.
Nobody wants the other to succeed no matter what or under any circumstance
@@moderndavinci6599 Correct me if I'm wrong but Crons don't really care about Chaos, no? If they win it goes away anyway. They just oppose psykers in general.
I want to see the silent king and vashtorr fight
Vashtorr: I am a demon who controls technology and will become a god
Silent King: I am a techno-god, you have no power over any Necron tech and you're in the Pariah Nexus dumb f*ck
*Silent King true deaths Vashtorr instantly*
I doubt we get Dark Mechanicum this edition given Vashtor is in the CSM codex
Maybe next edition, since Vashtor is still in CSM🤔
What made TSK go from preparing to kill Tyranids to blowing up a random person because they existed?
Bipolar
I want to see Ahriman join up with Vashtorr and tunnel into the black library.
Then they both get stopped by a giant clown, who's asks "do you have a library card?"
@@SenseiLlamaI’m thinking a harlequin who looks like that big ass clown from Inside Out
It would be nice if GW keep all their lore in one consistent location instead of spreading it across multiple mediums, making it really damn hard to follow wtf is going on.
GW have no idea what's going on in their lore either, don't worry.
A Chaos Demon just warped into the pariah nexus and was empowered by the technology of a psychic null race who are infinitely more powerful and technologically capable than he is. All things being logical, some random Necron Overlord probably rips Vashtorr's dick off in a second.
"By Vashtorr's kindly claw, this is an excellent video. By Vashtorr, let's crack open the Chablis!!! "
The Outsider is an outside guess. I guess the pun was unintended.
Aid just got the horned rat as a new 5th chaos god. I guess 40K needs to keep up.
I swear to christ if they start switching the narrative to Imperium vs Chaos as the main focus AGAIN...
Same, but I do hope they keep it in the background with the dark angels. It feels thematically appropriate
Well the chaos stuff is going to be in the background for sure, it might be a thing where they switch back and forth because the last major narrative event we had was arks of omen sp this is just a continuation of that while tje tyrannic war is going on, they also need some chaos lore so they can bring in emperor's children with fulgrim. So there's gotta be some chaos stuff happening and just because there's a war against the nids doesn't mean chaos is waiting. They just need to make sure they are balancing the story telling
that is the rumor for 11th edition.
Emperors children just before 10th end, and 11ths edition focus on Iron Warriors with Perturabo Daemon Primarch.
@@NecroGoblin-yl2fx no shot. Far to much attention for the iron warriors. I'd sooner believe space marines aren't in thr launch box than that
Newsflash: Imperium vs Chaos IS. The main narrative of 40K (well… of all Warhammer, really)
7:05:
Time traveler sneezes,
The Eldars also known as the Necrons of the old one, created the Weapons known as Astartes, A weapon that has the power to destroy stars
Vashtorr assembled a great webway tunnelling device... So he made a new Magnus the Red?
So how Vasthor's plan going horribly wrong/right? Will he awaken the fifth Chaos God? Or he'll just stalled everything like our favourite armless chaos champion?
magnus would try to backfire his plans.
Mephiston would backfire all their plans.
Because Sanguinius f8ck yea
My guess, the next primarch will steep in and stop him in the last second. My guess is Khan. But could also be Corvus Corax.
@@haraldbredsdorff2699 I think Russ would make a little more sense. The Space Wolves are the only divergent chapter with a primarch that could return. After all, the Lion has already returned, and Sanguinius came second in his fight against Daddy Lupercal.
@chrisbingley not true. The Black Templars could lead to Dorn’s return.
@@chrisbingley I would love if they used Russ, but I suspect they are saving him for later. Also, right now, GW does not seem that much into space wolfs.
But this is just based on how I guess they feel. I could be completely wrong.
Any of the primarchs could come back. Even the dead ones. Yes, even Ferrus could come back as some kind of dreadnaught or machine spirit.
I was wondering if they where going to make vashtorr into Ferrus spirit, but it seem like they are taking a different path.
The only thing I can think of weapon wise, that was sealed, was Nightbringers REAL scythe. The Outsider is just in a Dyson Sphere somewhere near the galactic ridge. Only thing hiding that is inability to detect it (no light out there and it's kinda like looking a grain of sand in your house, if that grain could float).
nothing with Farsight? I was kinda hoping his involvement in the Arks of Omen meant we were gonna get some Dawn Blade mysteries revealed..
Keep the good stuff.🎉
Now I'm wondering if the surprise codex might be a campaign book with Agents of the Imperium but also one or two other lists.
What the hell happened to the 4th tyranid war?
Honestly you gave much better summaries and overviews that many youtubers, better then Valrak one for sure.
Valrak is the biggest waffler, I swear this dude makes 1 minute of information into 15 seconds of information in 15 minutes.
I just don't get how Vashtorr has been allowed to do all this shit by the pantheon.
Because he's entertaining, or they can't decide if they want him there.
i wouldnt mind vashtorr's faction being the iron warriors and dark mechanicum
I'm sad because everybody is there expect the T'Au. I mean im pretty sure Farsight and O'Vesa would be very interested in the Blackstone, especially after the stuff in his the Arks of Omen Book
Tau are a tiny empire on the ass end of galaxy without ftl with little to no understanding of warp technology like Blackstone.
Yes this would normaly be a problem, but the war of the Pariah Nexus happens in the Ultima Segmentum in the Imperium Nihilus ,accidently the same part of the Universe thats conected through the Startide Nexus (a giant wormhole) with the core of the T'au Empire.
Also the T'au recently worked on warp travel (the prototypes of the 4th Sphere created the Startide Nexus) and implemented a functional version on every ship of the 5th Sphere, there not perfect and unstable but functional
Leave them out. I don’t want Mary Sues ruining the narrative.
First, you have Space Marines and at least 5 named Characters already there
And second i just would finded cool if the Tau could participate in a big event .
There were not part in anything Cadia, Tyrannic war or else for the above mentioned reasons, but in the Pariah Nexus they could, without some locicleap bullshitery, participate.
@@LordCrate-du8zmImperium?
I think the pariah nexus is another conflict which would make more sens for Vashtor to show up then a figth against Tyranids it is like the gathering storm Campaign were many conflicts were Simultan explored
I really hope that Vashtorr and a C’tan shard of the Void Dragon get into a Dragonball Z fight in the coming battle.
Honestly, this feels like it's all over the place. Like I'm a huge Necron fan and love the Civil War idea between Imotekh and the silent king, but man adding in the imperium/admech, now chaos, and sprinkles of Ork and Thousand Sons. Feels like it just draws away from more important things. Games Workshop couldn't figure out what to do with other races lore and they needed to be doing something, so they just crammed them in. Really wished they would have just focused on 2 sides of the story, the Necron Civil War being the A plot and Imperium/admech vs Chaos being the B plot with them sometimes crossing paths. Or better yet just let this be a Necron story, and let the Imperium focus on something else like I don't know the 4th tyrannic war? I guess the nids wasn't as big of a threat as we all thought.
So 4th Tyrannic war will begin at the end of the edition or are they just gonna make 2 books about it and skip to the fifth?
I think Tzeench is having the thousand sons build all those automatons to give Vashtorr an army because Tzeench wants change, and the removal of the warp dampening.
Exodites would be the ultimate force to oppose Vashtorr. Least tech-based faction who could still fight effectively. The webcam stuff gives them a way in, too. Too bad they don't have an army...
TS deploying Automatons isn't as stupid as it seems, after all, they know how to ward them against Vashtor
I wish they would put their energy towards the mystery of the tyranid origin, why are they coming to this galaxy? What is their relationship to chaos, etc. there’s so much big stuff they could do there to make them interesting… just rip off Prometheus from Ridley Scott and you basically got my attention. Super race of old ones or golden men or stone men made them as a biological weapon or something crazy just tease us with SOMETHING. Send us a a few bosses!
Or they don't. I, and I know I'm not alone with that sentiment, don't like the fact that the once so ominous horus heresy and the whole backstory of the imperium is now so clearly described over a 100+ book series. Sometimes leaving things in the dark is better than knowing every answer.
GW: Sets up long running mystery of Tyranids, their origins, their relation to Necrons and Necron opposition to Tryanid victory.
GW: The Silent King, potentially most powerful physical being in existence, has been voyaging in exile beyond the galactic border and is back to oppose the Tyranids
GW: Makes it very clear that Necrons are warp corruption immune.
GW: Sets up masive Tyranid invasion.
GW: Sets up massive Necron gathering in the Pariah Nexus.
GW: Anyway, here's some random Greater Demon of Chaos Undivided to try 1v5 the Silent King, Magnus the Red, Robert Guiltyman, Titsnitch and Ballsack Crawl.
@@Derploopexactly!!
@@MrunHidei completely agree but what I’m suggesting is little crumbs. The thing that makes ambiguous plot lines so infectiously good is that they need to keep stringing you along with layers to the mystery, hints… any FromSoftware game is a perfect manual for this. I don’t need a 100 book series everything explained I just want more questions to ask. Side note a good chunk of Horus heresy is very good, first 5 books are AAA sci-fi, Siege of Terra is incredible and I don’t think there is any lack of mystery in the franchise lots to speculate especially pre history pre Horus stuff.
I will say this every chance I get, but I hate how the Silent King was brought back. Hey, here is this mythical Necron leader who went toe to toe against the old ones and personally killed full powered C'tan with his spear. Now he is back and is being outmatched by Belisarius Cawl taking part of the Mechanicus fleet, and even then its just a prelude for Space Marines vs Chaos again.
Kind of why I don't want to see Vect back on the tabletop. Doesn't really make sense.
@@Burdenist tabletop is fine. Vect getting set up vs guardsman #3 is basically the equivalent of Silent King vs Vashtorr though. WG just need to write their plots better.
TSK be preparing to kill Tyranids then every faction within 100 planets of him just beeline straight to him for no other reason but to bomb his home then are surprised when TSK bombs them back
@@DerploopVect would never put himself in danger to kill some guard though...
@@Burdenist Vect would never be in danger to kill some guard, that's the point.
*Cawl's Spicy Donuts* Vs *Necron Spicy Pylons:*
👉👌 😳😆!
Wouldn't the necron factions join forces to defeat chaos?
Considering the Outsider as an outside guess eh? 😂😂😂 I fucking love you
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Tzeentch wills it 😅
I will not add a comm- aaaagh dam you blue biiiiird!
I have a funny feeling Lord Draix isn't gonna be surviving this conflict.
I just want an iron warriors lore update gw PLEASE
Vashtorr wont ever ascend, he’s just another pawn. How would he get his power anyway? It’s not like the others that get power from the souls of sentient beings. Alternatively, if GW wants to bring the men of iron back, it would be sick to have Vashtorr and the iron warriors and men of iron form another side
He'll never ascend because that would require a major victory against the IoM. If the IoM suffers a massive loss the IoM dies and with it the setting. GW has painted itself into a corner by raising the stakes so high. From now on whenever the IoM is involved then it'll be a draw somehow because if the IoM scores a major victory then whoever it fights would look bad and sales would be affected.
With the amount of sentient beings who essentially worship technology in the galaxy, Vashtor actually has a pretty solid power base to establish himself as a fifth god.
This has always been the case. Abaddon’s black crusades are the perfect example and show how unimaginative GW really is - they had to change the story that each was part of a larger plan which was achieved because sadly, Abaddon became an absolute joke. Even the destruction of cadia and the opening of the rift hasn’t changed a whole lot.
I just want good T’au lore D:
There is no Tyrannic war in Ba Sing Sae
I really don't like that Vashtorr can swap the pylons to amplify. Turning them off would be one thing, but swap? Piss off that opens so many plot holes. For instance, why didn't he just swap cadia turning it into a demon planet? Because of the way the warp works he always existed, so why were the pillars ever effective? You'd think his control over a chaos counter would make him significantly more powerful than he is.
Gulliman on his way again? rowboat does rowboat things
"Impregnable vault"
Tau just hanging out in our corner of the galaxy building up to another quite expansion
Evey single other thing that's happening in Era Indomitus keeps reinforcing my opinion that popping out Tyranids as the big thing of an entire edition was a huge mistake.
Everything else if far more fleshed out and more interesting than the actual big theme of the edition.
Admech's situation for now: almost f-up🙈🙈😂
So umm...maybe so reinforcement from 30k too? please🙈？
My biggest problem with Vashtorr's godhood, is that a chaos god is feed by the desires of souls.
What on earth does Vashtorr grant, that Slanesh and tzenzh does not?
He makes all the soul forged weapons daemon engines and hands them out and makes certain deals that the individual has to meet or risk losing his own soul to Vashtorr to be used in said process.
Creation. Tzeentch is the god of magic and schemes, but any soul that wants to build something great will feed Vashtorr.
Of course, that could also feed Slaanesh, but every chaos force feeds Slaanesh slightly. Khornate warbands have to constantly worry about “excess” bloodlust not fueling Slaanesh as much as Khorne.
@@BTSSPARATAN Yes, he feed of the energy the other chaos gods give him in return for weapons and armor.
But that does not explain how he gets enough power for godhood.
One individual making a deal, would not feed a god for 1 sec.
He works as a strong demon who serve the other chaos gods independent.
But not as a chaos god.
That is why I have problem with this whole concept
If they made him a god of greed, it could work. But they do not seem to make any setup.
@@haraldbredsdorff2699 I think the idea is more so that he's eternal been a arms dealer while also feeding off mechanical creation/destruction. Literally every deamon engine that has gone to the soul forge is contractually obligated to fight for him if it's deemed necessary.
So I imagine the idea with vashtorr is that he's a small fry that has been slowly and consistently building power to make one final massive push. Starting out with his arks of omen which allowed him to create wyrmwood which could be currently sustaining him at least until he can find the super weapons. At which point he can unleash enough mechanical hell on the galaxy to allow his accession. Or it could be that the weapons in question could wound the chaos gods enough that he could then siphon enough power off them to reach godhood.
@@kanapolglinpu8378 How the fook is he feeding off Necron shit then? They have no souls. And in the Pariah Nexus no less.
Oh no doom death destruction of the galaxy for the 10th time!! Anyone wish we would go back to just losing planets or having minor wars?
So Vash'tor, the Silent King, Roboute Gulliman, Magnus, lmotekh the Stormlord and possibly the Lion, will all meet for a cup of tea and a slice of cake.
Nod to each other then go home.
Games Workshop won't allow any of these characters to die so it will be just like all the other Campaigns GW have run.
No result.
Then back to the Tyranid incursion.
So, thought.
If they do release the dark mechanicus and give the dark mechanicus access to run the C'tan shard models from the Necron line?
Just remember, D.E.I could change this lore if Amazon has a requirement
please explain how this makes any sense whatsoever
TF are you talking about
WTF has Hank Schrader got to do with anything? DEA 🤣
Literally zero sense. Whatever show gets made will be divorced from pariah nexus
So... Nids just fucked off into the sunset yeah..? Like their codex? ..yeesh..
Is there really so much wrong with taking Ghazgkull and a wagggh! Of the ages with the entirety of orky war on display in the heart of a tyranids invasion? Necron's vs ad mech is cool but also i thought tyranids won 9th and therefore would snowball through the universe?
“Azeri…uh, Blackstone, Champion! Ah kin feel the open woons o’ the galaxy! We need ta collect more Blackstone ta heal the WOONS!” - Magnus Bronzenips, Primarch of Plot Armour
I love how majority of fanbase online get their lore from short summaries, retellings, youtubers, but rarely actually reading the source themselves ... And yet complaining like they are lore scholars of avid readers.
GW continues their relentless crusade to constantly crap all over the Necrons in the lore, nonstop.
I also like how every single faction summary is "having their souls completely severed is bad, but anyway they're still just fine."
No Tau, no Interest.
What happened to all the tyrannic war talk and Huron blackheads Blackstone fortress? Did GW forget their own lore
"Abaddon wants some super weapons to win his war once and for all."
Planet Killer status: Active.
Proposed plan: Surround the Planet Killer with the entire Chaos fleet -> go full throttle towards Vigilus -> destroy Vigilus -> watch the IoM crumble under its own weight due to tattered logistics, even the Eastern Empire would eventually crumble since it would be a rather small one and surrounded by enemies.
40k lore is such a joke these days.
Godamnit the porn bots are here
Just as vashtor and slaanesh planned
I think they should use Vashtorr to re-boot chaos Daemons. Make Daemons mostly undivided and add in some new automaton style daemon Engines to buff. Up the army. Keep some god specific detachments, but mostly just go undivided
So question I thought Gman was dealing with a bug problem that was so bad that we were going to have a team up with the lion to push it back?
Im kinda hoping the end result is the silent king and storm lord fighting amongst themselves go "look up see wormsngine" hmm so we have 2 options keep fighting and that uuuugly thing wins or we kill it and these bugs on our lawn then go about our hoa meetings to decide who rules?
Or you know just pick up the phone call celestial dynasty and go hey ya ya sk here so like this world thing is ugly and i dont want to see it anymore can you use the oraory to delete it thanks.....yes yes i know unforseen consequence yada yada it's unforeseen if we let that thint exsist to so ya chop chop
My son and I started playing because we saw the cool trailer for 10th edition and the tyrnaid invasions…… I guess that’s not a thing anymore……
Bring back battlefield Gothic!
I only have one question... "What's a Vashtorr?"
I'll throw out a potentially hot take - I think GW and a sizable amount of the fan base are making a huge mistake when they treat properties like 40k as stories. 40k is a setting, not a story. It is a framework from which individual stories can be couched in. When you treat 40k as a story which needs to progress in and of itself, you wind up in a situation where you risk damaging or dismantling the framework of the setting.
For point of reference, instances of potentially, or outright, damaging 40ks framework include Primaris Marines (or 80% of anything Cawl gets up to to), bringing the Primarchs back, literally splitting the galaxy in two, the Silent King returning and the Necrons fully waking up, and the Ynnari (concept is fine, execution was atrocious).
I mostly agree, however I feel that 2016’s revamp was necessary. Anything past that has been way too much. The good news is, I’ve been reading and listening to stories before the Great Rift happened and it still expands the setting in a way the new lore hasn’t done for me.
So yea you’re spot on.
GW’s desperation to become the next big multimedia franchise makes me feel exhausted and uninterested
@@TheCasualMark I'm not saying that change is inherently bad, just that people need to be mindful of what is changed and how. Change can be a beneficial thing when done right. The necrons, for example, benefited massively from moving away from their more strict characterization as soulless murder bots. The murder bot angle still exists, mind you, but now they have a more fleshed out culture and character thanks to higher ranker necrons retaining personalities. Tau being split between Tau proper and the Tau enclaves is also welcome change since it adds more depth to the faction.
A large part of the broader problem, I think, stems from the fact that people often forget just how big the setting in question is. There's a literal galaxy of stuff and most of it is either poorly explored or not explored at all. All ignoring that stuff does is make the setting feel drastically smaller than it is as only the same handful of elements endless crop up (i.e. Cadians, the old Ultramarine problem, etc etc).
Ah yes, because we all want a setting where nothing changes and we have the same conflicts until people lose interest and the franchise dies.
@@LordCrate-du8zm that was literally the setting for 30 years
And next up; The lesbian relationships of the always existent female custodes.
I just cant see them releasing a Dark Mechanicum army, with the spot Admech is in right now. Its constantly neglected, consistently one of the weakest armies, only beat out by Deathwatch as least played, extremely expensive... but they want to release a Chaos version of that that will be all those things if not worse?
To be fair, i hate Vashtorr as a character. I feel like he stole main points from both Pertu and Belakor and have a ungodly ammount of plot armor
This Vashtorr stuff is such bullshit. Only logical end is literally any random Necron Overlord turns up and kicks his shit in.
A Demon turns up INSIDE THE PARIAH NEXUS and is strengthened by Necron technology which is literally the opposite of warp empowering or even being active in the warp. Vashtorr is a little piss baby to the Necrons if GW want to show the least bit of respect to the lore. Their role was always obviously as that of the bulwark to the other massive world ending threat; the Tyranids, who ultimately are the Necron's greatest enemy. Having a Chaos Demon of Low-as-fuck Tier Technology as their enemy is an absolute joke.
How many imbalanced and OP will things get?
i hope to god robute shows up, gets legitly smacked once with vashtorr's hammer, n just gets launched so hard out of the pariah nexus that he deadass leaves
Oh boy I can't wait for my new edition of Black Library slop where the pee pee faction fights the poo poo warband for stupid and inconsistent reasons that will have zero bearing on the tabletop or even the lore going forward, and will inevitably get retconned anyway by some hack and then told it was always that way 🙄 No idea why anyone would care about the lore and its continued Marvel-ication
ergh hate "new lore" Cawl is a literally breaking lore by existing.
DW we will get new lore in Warhammer 40k: Age of Ligma'r after Vashtorr reboots the universe with Abbadon as the 5th chaos god of bitchasses.
The lore has ceased to be relevant; it's only purpose now is to market miniatures.
Y’all really surprised that the lore ONLY SERVES selling minis? Look what they did to Horus Heresy, female Custodes, rewriting Damocles crusade outcome time and time again - established world and lore doesn’t mean SHIT for GW. Their universe is enticing, but their lore’s becoming incoherent mess. This is my biggest issue with Warhammer 40.000 and this I dropped playing that game.
Oh and saved a lot of money.
Why are you here then
@@LordCrate-du8zm because I can still comment whatever I want
If the lore did it just for selling, they should just put all automata from Mechanicum to Admech...🤔 Admech player will for sure pay for it, but they just don't care🤷🏻♂️
You doesn't seem to actually read the lore
@@PandaCool1 That's like going to a McDonalds and being upset they serve burgers. Seems a little... contradictory, no?
Not a huge fan of how the "story" is progressing. For years the game was stuck in the last century of the 41st Millenium and now galaxy shaping shit is happening at neckbreaking speed.
It really fucks up the whole concept of the "declining stagnation" of the setting. I don't mind change and story developments but it's all a tad much and very poorly handled.
God this lore fucking sucks
New lore: Tyranids, Necrons, Vashtorr and Magnus with his TSs are all being defeated by female Custodes, but both Guilliman and Lion are not able to get fast enough to support the victory, so the Imperium can't secure the victory.
Femstodes are tzeentchian
@@FroggyTheGroggy
Not funny
Didn’t laugh
@@LordCrate-du8zm Meh... I know the woke don't have the sense of humor.
@@toomaskotkas4467 Or jokes with femstodes is so painfully generic and boring they always sound forced.
No mention of femstodes? I am disappointed.
That’s old news bro. move on.
Seriously, this is bordering on obsession.
@@LordCrate-du8zm Please do not assume my gender, bro is a hostile term to me.
@@joshuacartwright290 You’re not funny.