No side to chose read the books, the blacks have the birthright claim… if the greens were in the right they wouldn’t need the Triarchy ☠️ lowest of the low, which basically stamps them as villains in history. Rhaenyra is largely missing from the texts at this point. Also it make sense now how they took kings landing at the perfect time, if they had this back room deal it makes sense.
I think this could actually work in some sense if it was done better, because of how biased the maesters are in telling the story in the books, it could be a really cool angle to show those events from a more even light but instead they just did the opposite and painted alicent in a bad light instead of rhaenyra
This Episode was Written by Sara hess, the person that wrote the worst episode of Season one, It singlehandedly made me not care for this series anymore, thanks Sara…
Did you guys all forget when Daemon crowned Rhaenyra and bent the knee in season 1? Having him go through Disneys haunted mansion for six episodes to end up at the same spot was fucking stupid
Yep 100% the "arc" they put Daemon through was all easily derived from season one without being so hamfisted and in your face as in S2. Season two's portrayal of Daemon was done solely to deconstruct his character so the writers fave Rheyneara would be elevated by comparison - since she wasn't liked enough for their satisfaction. It was nakedly obvious and frustrating they were unable to see it.
You forget he choked her out after crowning her? It was obvious he was using her to try and get back the inheritance he lost because of her, and had no respect for her. Daemon going through an arc where he realizes the throne is not his place, and he must play his part or damn the world was perfectly acceptable.
@@bandaid6550 Daemon lashed out realizing that his brother never trusted him with his most important secret. Daemon having issues over Viserys and Rhaenyra still I totally understand but he is a staunch supporter of her claim because its also his family.
Did you see at the end they had Lara Tess or whatever her name is at the end defending the episode and she is the weakest Zoomer who has wasted some many opportunities for action. Lots of talk and no action. Even the show runner was defending her writing too. She is obviously to blame for this crap. What a tease ! Where is the payoff ? Wait 2 years ! It’s like a bad GF.
This show sucked me in with the 1st season. 2nd season broke the spell COMPLETELY, I'm done with this show if this what they're doing. Well done for tricking me into false hope HOTD, but no more.
@@willbeard4835they already ruined the characters there’s no coming back from this with a cool battle or two. Only for the fans who wanted dragons and battles over story anyway
I agree. Before Rook's Rest it made sense that they were staving off the inevitable, but after that it just made them all look stupid. "We have to stop the war from happening!" While the war rages all around them
This exactly. Besides, if memory serves right: - Rhaenys got a lot of smallfolk killed after escaping back in 1.09 - Meleys, Vhaghar and Sunfyre (not sure about him) roasted an undetermined number of soldiers in Rook’s Rest - Smallfolk starved to death thanks to the blockade of the Black faction - Vermithor happily feasted on the bastards and Rhaenyra didn’t give a f*ck I mean, that “we don’t want people to die” becomes pretty ridiculous and hypocritical given that people are already dying and not only because of the actions of men.
@@spartanmuse I've noticed this trend happening more and more in media especially with girl bosses. It comes off as them trying to push moral relativism which is dangerous because it's encouraging people to be narcissistic and assume their thinking and actions are the correct ones and they don't actually think about the consequences that affect others besides themselves.
It was so dumb because Rainares sneaks into King's Landing to have a secret meeting with Alicent. And then in this episode Alicent has some revelation and decides to sneak into her city because poetry rhymes. The guards are like, yeah that's fine. But for some reason she's 180° now and wants a war no matter what. The writing is so stupid written it reminded me of The Last Jedi the way people can come and go so they can have some scenes.
Having Daemon to see the final season of GoT with the white walkers approaching as justification of his character motivation is really fucking lame. Not only it ruins him as well fleshed out character but now the show reminds me of the shittiest season in tv history? Really? I dont want to be reminded that at all, but now that looks like his entire character motivation going forward. Wtf, what a lame justification for his future action.
@@Kornn66 I don't think it's totally pointless although it was handled poorly, especially at the end with the stupid "Winter is coming" part. Otherwise, it seems that the point was for Daemon to conclude that he doesn't want to be the king after having coveted the throne for so long.
@@philhelm1318 It shouldnt have taken whole season for him to see that. I was hoping his plot would have given more info about weirwoods and the magic that we dont know yet but they just want to tie this show to GoT all the time and i dont care about that.
Wtf was this ending? -Alicent went from jumping in front of a dragon to protect her children to betraying them over walks in the woods (well except for daeron I guess, she doesn't even consider him lol) -Daemons spends a season torn between his hunger for power and the understanding of how hard it is to bear it, only to have a vision of the future and make his final choice based only on that (making the rest of the visions totally pointless) -Aemond has to convince haelena to ride into battle and doesn't even mentions how it would protect her kid from the people that killed the first one -Helaena has now telepathy and just spoils the future events, like this -Rhaenyra going with the "a son for a son" as if they didn't already kill jaeherys and alicent didn't just tell her to kill aemond lol, and of course alicent doesn't reply😂
@@brandonm4550 Yeah im thinking that i should stop watching the show. But i know myself and will probably watch it still as i cant leave a story unfinished. I did afterall suffer though GoT season 8 even when i hated the show already in season 6.
It's possible Alicent thinks they are bound to lose now that the Dragon advantage has swapped. Trading a son who is so injured that he has stated he wants to die for everyone else's life isn't unrealistic. -Daemon changing plans after receiving new information is super realistic. If you were planning to invade a country, then found out that space aliens were coming to exterminate humanity, of course you would immediately 100% change focus towards stopping the aliens. It would be idiotic to just go back to planning the invasion.
Jumping in front of the dragon was a split second, instinctual decision, as opposed to her slow, tear filled realization that if she wants to end the war, Aegon needs to die. You can't compare the two scenes the way you are and be good faith. Also Jahaerys was Helaena's kid, not Allicent's.
@@alexanderm8880 aha, I thought you were referring to “the messaging” that seems to have also destroyed that show as well as this one. Thanks for clarifying.
With this episode, the series has officially lost me. Almost every scene feels like a rehash of a previous scene; just look at Corlys or Rhaenyra. Total stagnation. Also, did we really fucking need Tyland's pointless dumbass negotiations IN THE FINALE?
This show has a massive issue with the writing of the main female characters. The writers' attitude towards Rhanerya, Allicent, and Rhaenys has always been super sympathetic and tempered, as if the things these women set in motion and the the terrible outcomes they are responsible for are somehow never really their fault, or can be explained away by circumstance, or having to live in a world of men, or bad luck or other characters' who benefit from their mistakes. It's the Boogie effect. Somehow, they are always the downtrodden or noble victims caught in a cross-fire, and never treated like the grown adults with agency and accountability that would make them far more compelling as characters. Even when called out for their behaviour within the show itself, there's always an out, or the conversation is framed in a way that suggests that the person calling one of them out isn't totally correct or speaking in bad faith or the show will artificially give one of the women a forced win that doesn't feel earned at all. It's really weird, and now we're reaping the sum of this wonky approach to their character writing. The internal morality, logic, and motivations of each character is now wildly off - what the show wants us to think about these characters doesn't line up at all with what it's actually shown us. Rhanerya: show wants us to see a committed, cautious, and compassionate leader. Show has shown us a reckless, indecisive, and weak leader who is a horrible judge of character and couldn't inspire a dog to its dish. Allicent: show wants us to see a victim forced to operate and survive in terrible circumstances who has had all her agency stripped from her. Show has shown us a woman who has known full well the game she was getting into, chose to play it, played well, until it went sideways, and now wants to infantilise her part in its outcomes. A poor mother, worse leader, and hypocrite. Rhaenys: show wants us to see a strong, wise, capable woman who would have been a great queen. Show shows us a hypocritical, opportunistic, elitist who's completely unaware of the lives she has ruined and the mistakes she has made. It's pretty wild how it's spiralled this far out of control within the span of 9 episodes.
I've noticed some of the same discrepancies you've listed here, which is why I don't quite buy this panel's usual defense that the show isn't "woke" because it shows female characters making big mistakes, all the while my gut keeps seeing the actual framing as "these women aren't able to succeed because the men are bad."
It's what made GoT in its earlier seasons so compelling. The show recognised not only when characters made mistakes but that they were mistakes others learned from and acknowledged in-universe. When Ned trusted Cersei, when Joffrey executed Ned, Tyrion making 1 too many enemies while hand, Rob breaking his oath to the Freys these are all brilliantly handled and the characters errors are examined well. There's so much purpose and intent behind everything GoT shows us. It's hyperaware in those early seasons. This show, much less so. Especially this season.
Well to be fair alot of modern women actually think and act like this and try to avoid accountability so in that sense they got it right, but it's horrible for trying to write compelling characters and stories
@@zhengyingliExactly, Mauler saying that Rhaenyra is indecisive, so show does show her flaws, so not only men are bad, same with Alicent, same Helaena, same even with Mysaria, that they did something bad because of male characters, that they made mistakes because of them, problem is with Rhaenyra "Flaws" is that they dosen't representated as flaws, problem with Alicent flaws that they are there because of men surrounding her, and she is easily influenced by them, she's representated as least bad Green after Helaena,
I don't understand why tv show writers agree to adapt a very popular book and then make changes to the book lore in the tv show? If you want to tell a different story then dont adapt a book. Tv adaptations should be almost verbatim to the book just in a visual medium. After what happened to GOT you would think they would learn
That has to be one of the dumbest takes ever dude. It's a totally different medium, Expecting them to be "almost verbatim" is retarded. Just go read the book at that point
That is easy. They want a paycheck, but they also do not want their precious "creativity" stifled by using the original author's work as the foundation of the story. They want to at least tinker.
There has to be changes that are made for television and movies when it adapts a book because there are things that you can do and get away with in books that you cannot do and cannot get away with in movies and TV. That also works the other way around there are things you can do in movies and TV that you cannot get away with in books.
i hated most of the changes brought by the writers to both GoT and HotD. But unfortunately, i'm afraid some changes are necessary. Not all of the books is 100 % adaptable on screen. The other issue is, books fans are deeply involved, usually have a higher intellect than the tv show fans. But they are not enough book fans to make such an expensive show profitable, unfortunately. To get enough viewers, you're forced to downgrade the complexity of the show, the number of characters, and to make really nuanced backgrounds more manichean. Stupid normies need good guys and villains. But they went too far here : it's not supposed to be that the blacks are the good guys and the greens are the villains.
House of the Dragon it out Season 2, Episode 8: The Finale That Never Was wiNteR iS cOminNg, no, no it isn’t. Thanks for reminding us of the easily defeated Knight King and showing Danny. No one want to be reminded of that crap.
Do the writers not realise that the white walkers are in no way threatening anymore, after the king was defeated by a little girl. This episode was season 8 bad. Total and utter crap.
Too many too-long Girlboss Summit conversations, in order to give the female actresses equitable screen time. Rhaenyra is a Queen, but acts like a Social Worker.
@@drakethesnek6429 My expectation was that the show will be decent. They got subverted... doubly so. Not only was it not indecent in the end, it wasn't even decent!
Rhaenyra said “A son for a son” to Alicent’s face and Jaehaerys was not mentioned *once.* For me, this has now gone firmly into season 8 territory. The embers of my enthusiasm are as cold ashes now.
Kinda reveals that possibly (almost definitely) that these episodes are either written & filmed in a non linear order or that each episode's unique producer/writer isn't paying attention to what the other writers are producing in the other episodes.
“Why are you here?” “Because I lost my way. Or rather, it was taken from me.” And *that* is where every criticism of no real accountability or agency is vindicated explicitly in the show itself. Show Alicent should have known her place, and it wasn’t trying to exercise power. Her book counterpart, she most certainly is not.
@@sardonically-inclined7645It makes me laugh no end, that in their attempt to white-wash Alicent, and shove all of the green's dirtyness onto her sons, they suceed in making her even more monsterous.
@@chromicm6686 I know, right?! She was the one who twisted Aegon's arm into ascending the throne, based on her own mistaken idea of what Viserys wanted. Aegon was not equipped to shoulder that, and now he's been burnt, lamed and traumatized. Despite this, Alicent is going to throw him to the wolves in order to garner freedom FOR HERSELF! Mother of the year, here. She hasn't been absolved of anything IMO. Like you said, she's more a monster than ever.
The writers need to work on pacing. Stranger things and Game of Thrones have the exact same pacing. Good writing and something is always happening. Hotd feels like I’m trying to sneak past my grandma to get to the kitchen but then she stops me and talks for 15 min about boring 💩
Goofiest cornball shit I’ve ever seen on Television me and my family were fuckin’ disgusted. Writers room full of weirdos. I’m a left winger and this shoehorning of modern political/social ideology into what’s supposed to be a medieval fantasy is wild.
At least they made the Admiral look pretty weak rather than a boss. She fought a Diplomat with seemingly minimal combat training and either lost/drawed.
@@AegonTheUnlikely Yeah. I was actually surprised they allowed the admiral to be punched/lose. My theory is that they are loyal to Lohra due to personality. Lohra seemed like a pretty fun to hang out with person (likes to fight, make jokes, drink, hook up with girls). Among sailors it isn't surprising those would be admired traits
Im also annoyed at the repeat of how they did with Danny in Rehnyera where everyone sides with her "bc shes the good one" and she herself doesnt really do much to earn it
I was screaming at my TV when Rhaenyra decided to lament the innocent death that would happen of dragons were introduced into the war... as if she didn't do that EXACT thing just FOUR FREAKING EPISODES AGO! Where was this moral tact when you casually threw out "They mistake my inaction for weakness."
Lots of people standing around and talking about their “feelings”. We didn’t even get to see Aemond burning down Sharp Point to emphasize his angry evilness. Tyland Lannister is emasculated while a dude with blue hair watches but does strike back. Women beating ok? No action. No battle. And now we have to wait 2 years for the next season !!!Frustrating !!!!!
FU$&ING OOF I am glad I didn’t watch the last two episodes, I was bored after episode 6. And to hear it ended with just more talking, yikes. Glad I played video games instead
@@patrikmojdis5262 yep. When one of my all time favorite game series is known to have some of the longest cut scenes in gaming and I have played through 6 of them
@@cirjaonisim1113 Keep in mind Shogun is getting a Season 2 which wasn't originally the plan. Better to compare HotD S1 and Shogun S1, or HotD as a whole and Shogun S1
This show isn’t good. It has some good production values and acting but its writing, pacing and overall story isn’t good. Gary and company are losing me on this with their love for it. It’s probably the most woke thing on tv atm and they give it a pass because of the ip it’s attached to. If this was any other ip they would be destroying it on a weekly basis
-No Nettles -Rhaenyra the Messiah -Helaena the three-eyed crow -Alicent the traitor -All roads lead to GoT season 8 Helaena and Alys…ugh. Instead of this era’s Melisandre and a dreamer, we just got two creepier fatalistic versions of Wednesday Adams + BloodRaven. Genuinely, why?
It all started to fall apart when Aemond tried to kill Aegon. Why would you try to kill your brother when you only have 2 dragon riders on your side and team black has 5 dragon riders at that time. That plot did not make sense, no matter how power hungry Aemond was.
Yes, agreed. The same plot could have been achieved much more subtly if Rhaenys got the final blow on Sunfyre, Aegon screamed for help and Aemond attacked Rhaenys instead of protecting Aegon. Then Aemond's actions are rational but Aegon still feels betrayed by his brother's indifference and fears for his life Harming Sunfyre deliberately was monumentally stupid
@@sivad1025 I don’t think they should have been made into that either, make them good friends like in the book. The Badass Duo who work together against the enemies.
This episode was a huge mistake from the show runners. As a penultimate episode, it might be a 6 or 6.5 out of 10. As a season finale, it basically a 2 out of 10. It leaves almost EVERY plot thread hanging, and we might not get season 3 for 2 more years. This episode killed a lot of enthusiasm for this show. The writers and show runners need to work on pacing BIG TIME. Lots of good character moments in this season…but barely anything happens plot wise. Very disappointing overall.
I tried re-watching Episode 8 again and it's almost unwatchable. The mud wrestling, Rhaena running around aimlessly for 3 scenes, the pointless conversation between Alicent & Rhaenyra, any scene with Ulf in.. and this is supposed to be the season finale, all so disappointing.
@@boreopithecus 7 episodes of build up that Daemon wants to be king only for it all to be turned around at the very last second with a Deus ex machina vision
Especially since the white walkers turned out to be a whole bunch of nothing, they crossed the wall and poof five minutes later they all completely evaporated.
I think they are trying to go with the power of prescience giving the person who has it a kind of detachment from the world that is uncanny. The book version going a bit off her rocker out of grief and guilt was not something they wanted to do with a female character in the show.
She clearly cares, not everyone deals with grief and stress the same, she's the most autistic mf in the whole green family, I'm fine with her reactions.
Ya'll really liked all of Daemons agency taken away from him? And now he's a generic good guy knight all in on team Rhynera because some witch showed him season 8 Game of Thrones?
He's always been devoted to the targaryen family and was convinced simply asserting dominance was the best way to protect their dynasty and always dismissed magic and dreams as a waste of time. Being shown that Viserys dream convinced him to accept his role. Also on a human level he's always loved and hated his brother in harrenhall he's forced to confront how he failed to support Viserys, he realizes the only way he can redemn himself and honor Viserys is to support Rhaenyra which is what he would have wanted. These aren't generic good guy traits the reason Daemon feels so strongly about this is because he's a Valyrian supremacist and very incestuous.
Gonna retype what I wrote since I swapped the damn genders around. In the books, Lohar was described as a femine man. Problem is, they gender swapped the character in HoTD and then expect you to believe that it's a "woman" playing the role. You can CLEARLY tell it's a MAN and it completely destroyed all of my immersion every time he was on screen. I'm tired of it.
The finale was dogshit. Some decent dialogue, I guess (like Criston Cole and Alicent's brother scene). But it leans into the worst of the worst impulses of GoT. Endless yapping, people conveniently teleporting, no action. Gender swapping Lohar because the writers can't help themselves not having another girlboss ordering around, overpowering or intimidating every man in 500m radius because script says so. Alicent suddenly willing to give up her son since the script needs to hammer the point that women are willing to sacrifice everything to prevent conflict while the men are wildly rushing to it. At least Gary has the clarity of mind to recognize it's gone GoT s8.
Lohar was a feminine man in the books. The show changed the character to female and then got a man pretending to be a woman for the role. Every scene with Lohar ruined my immersion immediately. When ideology is more important then the story, this is the result.
Lohar didn't overpower every man. The exact opposite happened. Lohar fought 1 vs 1 against a relatively wimpy Diplomat in a mud pit and basically lost/draw. So far Lohar's battle record is either 0-1 or 0-0-1.
You guys should give Acolyte another try. Not because it's a good show, it's genuinely dog. But if you watch it with the same eyes you are this show you could probably enjoy it.
Alicent literally got them all into this, and the moment things don’t go her way, she sells out her sons, brother, and lover to the enemy. A literally traitor, and the worst character in this series by FAR
Except that isn't true. You could argue Daemond got them all into this. If he was a better person and not power hungry, he could have been named heir. You could argue Viserys got them into this by not naming Aegon heir. You could argue Rhynaera got them into this by not accepting that a female heir would not be accepted and then not bending the knee once the other side took power.
@@jasonjanisewski78 Except it is true if she did not come forward with the King incoherent babble as naming a different heir the Rhyneara claim could not be contested. Yes Rhyneara would struggle as a woman on the throne but are we gonna pretend that the iron throne is not a hot potato anyway. None of them compared to Viserys so no matter who he named there would be problems.
Yep, same with the boys. Mostly great first season with some woke annoyances but not show breaking. Then they show their true colors once they have your investment.
Are you still pretending it's a good show? Qeens and Kings walk around, alone, in enemies' territories. Is it in the books? that's more fantasy than fantasy.
@@rpgadventurer32 So, all the secret meetings and plotting in enemy territores are not part of the original story...? It does feel like a soap opera at times. It's well crafted but the story has too many dumb things. And why nobody is mass-producing the ballista that can take down the dragons. I have seen one in the whole show and it didn't even work. They do literally nothing to protect themlseves from dragons not even something simple like digging tunnels. In a world where dragon is the atomic bomb, there would be tunnels everywhere, like trenches in ww1
I agreed with that for most of the season, but her asking for Aegon's head as "a son for a son" is pretty dark and evil. Aegon didn't kill Luke, Aemond did. At this point, Rhaenyra is asking a woman to sacrifice her son, the same thing she experienced with losing Luke, out of nothing but petty revenge.
@@frankvandorp2059 You see, but it doesn't make sense. It is convenient that Alicent forgot to mention the murder of Aegon's son to show why that doesn't make sense. Almost like the show is sweeping everything for Rhaenyra. Fk Sara Hess.
@@frankvandorp2059 omg the baby killer asking for a son ,thats the problem , she is reckles and evil and the show wont point it out , Corlys should ne yelling at her like Otto Did to Aeagon , her council should be screaming mad ,
@@khaalmalki4039Oh this whole show sweeps HARD for Saint Rhaenyra and the Blacks in general. It just ruins what the whole point of the Dance of the Dragons storyline even was. Instead of two morally compromised, power-hungry factions who are both to blame, we have good guys and bad guys.
How can people say there’s no comedy in this show when we have the Rhaena scenes? 😂 I burst out laughing every time they cut back to a Targaryen princess - effectively if not De Jure - being allowed to wander the wilderness and not once did she meet an Arryn guard, a shepherd or a Vale tribesman. All they had to do was show a scene where one of the guards goes to her tent and it’s empty, him panicking because he can’t find her, then cut to her in the wilderness. That at least would be somewhat excusable but still not by much because she’s putting everyone in the Vale at risk with her stupidity because if she dies, Rhaenyra is within her rights to nuke the Eyrie for not protecting her. This was just such a dumb, reckless, needless action because they could have just given us Nettles and that would be fine. How is this subplot not the purest comedy gold you’ve ever seen in your life? 🤣
I was thinking the same thing. Has Rhaena ever been in the wilderness? How would she know how to survive? The Vale is literally the second coldest region in the seven kingdoms so she would've froze to death, quite literally. And why would she be unguarded, alone in the back of the travel party? She's, as you say, the princess daughter to the King consort. Just a verbal drinking game of who and how every time they cut to her scenes 😂
I kind of liked her villain arc early on, especially when she was first training to become a faceless assassin. It would have been better if John had had to put her down after killing Little Finger, seeing as she had become more of rabid dog than the Hound was. Instead, he kills Danerys. Arya doesn't make sense as a hero, especially a puny badass wight slayer.
@@banhammer3904 Thats because the early parts were mostly in the books with some changes they did in the show, once she left the training is when it became shit since they didnt had any source material to be based on, kinda the takes for most plot points as well
It’s one thing to leave on a cliffhanger but every plot line except what will Daemon do, was left hanging. All of them. Could we not get a couple other threads tied up?
Everyone going on about season 3 being war, cut to the first episode and aftermath of a battle and more talking then humming and harring for a couple of episodes then she walks into the capital and it’s done
It’s amazing how in a show about a huge war, we got one battle this season and the only other 2 points of action we only see the aftermath. How the fuck do you not show a dragon burning civilians alive it’s an instant highlight of the episode
Remember when everybody was talking how the first season was just buildup and the war would start in season 2? Can't wait for that in season 3 again...
It's actually impressive how fast this show has gone downhill. Not even gradual like Game of Thrones, but falling off a cliff. A whole season of set up, blue balling viewers to make them come back for season 3 is insulting to the audience that gave this show a chance after season 8 of GoT. These writers insist on wasting viewers time so I'm not going to waste my time with the third season. Ciao.
I feel like we needed 2 more episodes in this season, was NOT a satisfying ending AT ALL. What happened to awesome/epic season finales? This one just sucked
Im no fan of cancel culture, but this season needs to be cancelled. They need to remake season 2 and use the neuralyzer pen from men in black on us so that we forget this sh"" season.
@@Rippel0000 Wow, unjustified hate here. Just go back to GoT. This show (apart from two or three scenes) keeps the story and characters intact and moves them forward well.
The quality drop per season seems to be more of a standard nowadays. Also I think the seeds for it were sown right in the beginning, people were letting too many things slide with the first season just because Rings of Wahmen was making it comparatively look like a masterpiece. A show isn't going to be better just because you ignore what the showrunners are saying, those motivations are going to affect the writing eventually.
Nebuchadnezzar's statute. As time goes on, empires (and corporations, franchises etc) begin at their most glorious but become less so at the same time as they grow more powerful
Apparently the show is now planned for 4 seasons, when originally it was planned for 3 seasons. That basically explains all the filler, wildly uneven quality and awkward inconsistencies. They are in "drag it out" mode because the show is a hit. Shame, as now we'll never get the original tighter version.
That's not exactly how it happened. It was planned for 3 seasons but GRRM pushed for 4 because that's how many he felt were needed. We aren't witnessing some nefarious plan by HBO to stretch the content out for more money. We are simply witnessing terrible writing and the inevitable decline in quality that follows.
The producers did say though that they saved budget on getting the action for S3. So they know they kinda fucked up by not having a big battle this episode.. Kinda lame but im giving them the chance here to go all out in S3
They try to drag it out, yet leave out some critical character moments. Why didnt we see Aemond burning the town? Why would he do this? What was the incitement?
@@Chromeskull90 Offscreen, from a person who once again wasnt there to see what happened, who from her own words thinks him a monster. I dont take issue with him burning a keep, thats where he gets to in the book. But you have to establish this change gradualy. Not at a minor inconveniance.
@@lewishamilton537 It's the lack of patience and nothing else. if this was a 10 episode season with the Gullet Battle at the end, everyone would be satisfied. But now that's probably the beginning of the next season.
@@omsaxena116It has its issues, but people acting like this is anywhere near a dumpster fire is still crazy. The pacing has been bad this season, but that primarily stems from a lack of payoffs in the final episode. I think the broader character damage is much harsher, even if it's not what is driving most people away.
Mysaria doesn't have a bad accent. It's the way she delivers her dialogue that throws people off. Lady Ochiba in the show, Shogun, does a similar thing with her lines. There was lots of praise for the way she portrayed her character.
In stressful conditions, syrian hamster females may eat their own young to survive and I still think they are better mothers than Alicent. She put her son against his will on a throne, she failed in preparing him for the role, and now she is ready to sacrifice him to save herself, so she can have her moment of living “true to herself”. WTF. Cersei was one of the most despicable characters in GOT, but at least you could really tell that she loved her children and that love was her driving force (well, mostly). Alicent is such a pathetic, miserable human being, it is unbelievable how they assassinated her character and it’s obvious that the writers cannot escape favouritism of the side they chose. What is even the point of her in this show anymore?
It’s confusing. Basically, she’s trying to make peace rather than risk thousands dying. She asks that Aegon be spared but relents for peace. But a lot of her actions are motivated that if they win, Aemond will be the king and he’ll be a twat…although if he hadn’t kicked her off the council she would still be on his side.
@@BookshelfQBattler it’s not confusing in my opinion, it’s inconsistent writing by a person who already proved herself not the be the sharpest tool in a shed by writing this horrible scene with Rhenys killing thousands of people in Kings Landing and calling it “cool”. The whole motivation of Alicent so far was the possibility that Rhaenyra sitting on the Iron Throne will demand the killing of Alicent’s sons. I would say it was justified as one of her sons has lost his eye and nobody suffered any consequences. She was in all posters promoting this show as the queen of the other side, opposition to Rhaenrya, and she could be completely erased from this season and it wouldn't differ much. The last scene is a complete assassination of her character by making her not only beyond stupid but also ruthless and opportunistic by sacrificing her whole family to escape the consequences of her actions. I refuse to give her any honourable intentions that she wants to protect the realm, if her son is a twat that is solely her responsibility and she cannot just ignore that and take no accountability for it. I am really frustrated by this as this show doesn't even try to have any healthy balance between blacks and greens as it did in season 1, it’s straight blacks are cool and greens are bad.
@@Vynesa The fact that she has to comply with her son's death IS the consequence of her actions. She's not doing it for her own peace of mind; that was a happy fantasy at first but it was swiftly crushed when Rhaenyra voices Alicent's greatest fear: Your son must die for me to ascend. This conversation intentionally mirrors the one between young Alicent and Otto in Season 1 Episode 5. Alicent ultimately gives in for the sake of her other children, Helaena and Daeron, the ones who are yet pure. It's quite clear she believes that if the war continues they will either meet a fate as horrible as Aegon's (or worse) or become as monstrous as Aemond. It's a terrible choice either way, and she decides to try and save those of her family who are not yet corrupted, and in doing so make up for her own failings which brought them to that point while also honoring Viserys' last wishes. All of her scenes this season have been carefully building toward exactly this. The questionable logistics of how she's able to meet Rhaenyra aside, it's honestly kind of brilliant and I'm baffled by the degree to which the fandom and this panel seem to want to misunderstand it. The actual greatest sin this episode commits is the assassination of Daemon, as it fasts forwards to the end point of an arc that was maybe 40% complete, strips him of all ambition and personality, trivializes his toxic and extremely complicated relationship with Rhaenyra, and instead of providing some semblance of a substantial payoff to Alys and the mystery of Harrenhal just throws in a half assed vision that answers nothing and only exists to bait fans of the books by key jangling things that the original show screwed up but have nothing to do with the story that _this_ show is telling.
@@dragonmcmx of course it is a consequence of her actions, but allowing Aegon to be publically executed is not taking accountability for her failings if she asks Rhaenyra to allow her to escape with her daughter. In my opinion, Alicent starts to reflect on everything only when power is slowly taken away from her, not by seeing the consequences of the war. I understand your point of view, but I could consider it if Alicent would give herself to Rhaenyra along with all the “corrupted” family members as she is one of them and way more responsible for everything that has happened than Aegon, who again, never wanted this, was forced by his mother to take the throne and basically dragged back to the castle. So personally, I don't see this careful build up. I see a miserable woman desperately holding to the rest of the power she has, and when that is taken away, she tries to save herself and her chosen family members. Pathetic, purely idiotic and completely irredeemable after that for me. With Daemon, 100% true, I will not argue there. It’s just sad how poorly they handled him this season.
I actually feel sorry for people that are dealing with the cognitive dissonance with this show. Ryan, at least, seems to be thinking of creating a break-away faction of sort in terms of opinion on this pile of dung. Cast back to season 1 and see where we were in the story and where we are now. Nothing actually happened. We were strung-along with the war-baiting. Here's my prediction, season 3 will open with the aftermath of a supposedly massive battle. Then we dive right back into "character building" which will be pointless banter mixed in with 5 minute girl boss moments that do nothing for the story, reveals that we saw coming from miles away and which just fall flat, and that season will probably end with a woman on a dragon looking "fierce" and saying "Let's go end this" and you will all be back here talking about how excited you are about the war coming in the next season. Tsk tsk tsk...
This episode wasn't very girl bossy: -The admiral essentially lost/draw against a kindy wimpy Diplomat in a 1 vs 1 brawl. Mud/jello wrestling is also seen as the opposite of girl bossy. -Alicent didn't look very smart of good. -Halaena didn't go fly off on a dragon and kick butt like some conquering hero. -Rhaenyra looked stupid asking to kill Aegon. -The chick wandering around looking for a dragon was unresolved. I am hoping the dragon eats her. If the dragon takes her as rider, that would be girl bossy. I suspect that will happen but hope otherwise.
1:56:55 So are y'all gonna ignore/overlook the fact that this scene PROVES that the showrunners/writers purposefully rewrote (& ruined) Blood/Cheese bc they were "saving it" for Rhaenyra to confront Alicent w/the "impossible mother choice".. Ep1, we thought they just botched it, they "missed the mark" & then Condal came out to do damage control saying: "We have to abide by Child Acting laws/regulations, we dont have Maelor in our adaptation so we couldn't stay faithful to the source material, etc But NO, it was rewritten on purpose bc they knew they were having this finale Rhaenyra/Alicent scene & they wanted RHAENYRA to say the "a son for a son" line. Except it fell flat again. It made less sense here after everything that's gone on. This scene was the one that annoyed me the most in this finale.
Garbage we didn't get a single gruesome scene in the entire season.....everything is completely watered down...woman power...trans...no tits. At least D&D went hard when they were adapting the material they had. Edit: blood and cheese was extremely watered down. (oh my gosh the SOUNDS were so gruesome! Weak.)
The feminism bullshit is just oozing through this show. Can’t we ever escape their dumb bullshit for an hour to watch an entertaining show true to the book?
@@pwgdeathhawk8146 I hope he won't begin to watch it, because Mauler was more than okay with this season before finale (even though the whole season was pile of trash), and wanted Az to watch it, he still can convince him.
After the season 2 finale, i think im done. Its so obvious they want to turn the show into a woke feminist statement and im tapping out. This is coming from a black man btw. Tired of this garbage.
@@lightinferno4490 back at you bro…man we really can’t have anythinggg entertaining anymore just to escape for a few hours from the wild agendas being pushed in our favorite shows. At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if they just axed the book endings cause it would hurt all the feminist fans so bad and made Rhaneyra the invincible second coming of Christ who saves humanity 😂
@@saelind73 to be fair S7 finale was quite good and the music was bang on, S8 finale on its own was bad but this was like nothing, it felt like nothing. I at least felt confusion and anger when watching S8 finale.
Just stop running defense for HotD. It is garbage, just like the rest of modern Hollywood cringe. HBO tricked people by making one good season only to secure eyeballs. Then they felt free to make what they always wanted to make: lazily-wriiten, slow, woke fan-fiction. Entire Season 2 was awful from the start but people were coping. Now that finale is here, it is hard to deny the obvious and refuse to admit that the show is dead. If you want to stop this from happening in the future, stop coping and hate-watching. Don't give them views or attention.
So true, EFAP crew coverage of this season has been... really odd... When you have fully woke amateurs like Angry Joe give better more objective reviews of this show, you just know something is fishy...
@@John21WoW They seem to be in denial. EFAP probably wanted HotD to be a breath of fresh air compared to the rest of modern media. They wanted it to redeem GoT. So they wanted Season 2 to be good and treated it less harshly, hoping and coping that it would get better. But Season 2 is so bad it is clear they (and many other fans of Season 1) were wrong. HotD is a "failed savior".
I will never forget how condescending MauLer was during a The Real BBC stream when he and Gary tried to persuade Az to watch HotD in a very aggressive way, even after Az has said that he didn't want to experience the pain after GoT S8 again. When the chat told MauLer and Gary to leave Az alone, MauLer responded with (paraphrased): "I don't understand why the chat is mad at us for wanting Az to have a good time." Look who's in pain now.
@@zhengyingli They're still gaslighting themselves into thinking that a few well-acted scenes and dragon effects make up for the abhorrent distortion of the source material by untalented activists.
@@spicysausage8805 They have become what they swore to destroy: Woke Activists. Think about it. They weekly criticize disney because their writers hate the source material and thus ruin it. Here, Gary and Ryan hate the source material, so they cheer when it is destroyed. Hypocrites in the plainest sense.
@@sgnox7781 It's the episode called "Doctor Who Ends as a Joke, Mark Millar Destroys Cancel Pigs." Start at 1 Hour 8 Minutes and 49 Seconds. MauLer's condescending comments starts at 1 Hour 16 Minutes 02 Seconds. You'll see how aggressively Gary and MauLer pushed Az.
I’m sorry this season was a let down especially as someone who read the material before the show. The finale was a mid season finale. I don’t understand how there aren’t more complaints from this group. Especially from Ryan and Gary.
If it's not Marvel or Star wars, I don't think Gary and Ryan have the bandwidth to criticise it unfortunately. Our only hope for some semblance of quality critiques on this show was mauler and even he fell short.
I disagree, the first half of s2 was great, with a lot of great stuff in the later half too, just a bit too slow. This last episode was really the only one that was bad
I went into this show like a woman with a high bodycount, unable to get attached no matter how good it is but also able to let go easily if things turn south, like this season of HotD. It's better than Ryan acting like HotD popped his cherry.
I really hate the resolution of Daemon's arc. The scenes themselves were good but the end result - Daemon decides to give up on something that he wanted his entire life because a spooky ghost showed him some magical visions is insanely unsatisfying to me.
@@jaxzor have you even watched game of thrones "fam"? Season 1 - Ned betrayal and death. Season 2 - Tyrian becomes hand and battle of the blackwater. Season 3 - the red wedding, generally Twyin stealing every scene. Season 4 - Tyrian trial and trial by combat. Battle of castle black, assassination of Jon Snow. Season 5 - Heartholm beyond the wall. Season 6 - battle of the bastards and Danny leaves Essos. Season 7 & 8 - I'm not defending that muck. See what I mean yet?
@@bogstandardash3751 yep, you described the 20% of interesting shit happening in every season of GOT, the rest 80% is just fillers. again, GOT had 4000 pages of well written material and dialogues. HOTD has roughly 250 pages of badly written material with limited dialogue.
@@jaxzor I just think you are not giving due credit to all the episodes that were carried by the fantastic dialogue of Tywin, Tyrian,Varis, Little finger and Jamie Lannister. So many episodes were just them being interesting. There is no comparison in hotd season 2.
@@bogstandardash3751 not at all, first 5 seasons were interesting because at the action between the Starks/ Lannisters and King's Landing (the 20% of interesting part), if you read ASOIAF you`ll find out 90% of the dialogue lines from the book are in the show... in Fire and Blood there is little to no dialogue... Jaime, Tyrion, Tywin, Bronn, the Hound side stories are more interesting than Danaerys, John (until he got stabbed), Arya, Brann, Theon sidestories.
Remember, these guys were all team HOTD up until 2 seconds ago -- going as far as to mock anyone who criticized the pacing -- only to now say "man, not enough happened this season". As if they expect us to just forget everything they said.
They're hardly hypocrites. I was much the same, because everyone expected this season to wrap up with a battle or a conflict that paid off everything it set up. It was structured that way. Who knew the writers were so inept in last minute course correction when given the order to cut the season to 8 episodes? I defended the pacing too, because i thought they were building up to a pay off this season, only to sit through that shitstorm of a "finale". You know people aren't either goody two shoes or outright shills, right? Most people are various shades of many many things in between those two extremes. Maybe don't get your panties all bunched up everytime a YT commenter changes their mind? It's rather character revealing
Enthusiasm. We all wanted the show to be good and many of us have rose tinted glasses on, in hope of 'Game of Thrones' to be back. However, episode 9 of season 1 was already the biggest red flag and very telling when it comes to the future of this show.
Worst episode of the series. Completely pointless, what a waste of time. Nothing happened and we went over what we already knew. Rhaenyra didn't need Alicent to tell her that Kings Landing will vulnerable after Aemond and Vhagar attacks Harrenhal. Well no shit Holmes. More friggan set up. The battle of the Gullet should have taken place and then left on a cliffhanger. i.e. Viserys and Aegon the younger. I agree to leave the Battle Above the Gods Eye for next season. And when is Jace going to start showing his command status. So dissapointed in this ep.
Ya'll have low standards. They claim the show is competent, but that’s not the case. HBO killed their own show this season. It's sad. I wouldn't be surprised if the ratings drop significantly.
The show is competent in a lot of ways, this season has just greatly dampened it. The first season utilized visual storytelling and symbolism in multiple very clever and smart ways, primarily with Viserys. This one has too, but it's far fewer between. The artistry just seems drained this season, idk what happened to the writing team
Daemon's arc was such a let down. We had the visions that were retrospective or showing his thoughts and fears. It would be great for him to change based on the his own self-reflections, but nah, show him the future... and on top of that it reminds us all of how shit the night walkers were. You can't scare us with the long night when we know it's more like a swift evening and ends with the big bad being killed by a girl anime yell jumping on him and let's not forget, she had to ask, what the white walkers are, two days before that. (which she would have known the same way as all the other Stark kids knew)
The show can not get out of its own way with the agenda it is trying to push. From casting, to continual castle infiltrations and secret meetings with girl bosses it is really very stupid. The acting and cinematography are amazing but the writing lets them down. 8 episodes are stupid. The agenda pushing is stupid, and leaving out black or brown characters can not be stood for!
They left Nettles out because they consider her character "problematic". They preferred to "blackwash" house Velaryon and random Westerosi in places that the Summer islanders wouldn't be in, than to present one of the few canonical black characters that were written by George and were important to the story. A toxic combination of identity politics, tokenization and intersectional feminism.
I'm disgusted by the false copyright claim by some "box office" company that claimed this was showing their content. It was on this video before noon today
This episode is why I completely forgot House of Dragon existed until Season 2 premiered. The writers always make you go "meh" when it ends and another "meh" when you find out its cancelled.
@@donmongoose What banger? I remember some literal who kid got eaten by dragon and some old lady crashing a coronation. There was no impact in those scenes. You probably just reacted to jingling keys in the form of CGI dragons and thats all you remember as "banger"
House of the Dragon is GoT for girls. I'm not surprised Ryan took a break from Cavill's nuts to fall in love with this show. If you're a fan, I've got a bunch of Telenovella's for you to watch.
@NUTnCASE none of these guys are based lmao your all weirdos who can only scream about woke shit because you people don't actually like media, you just enjoy being able to show how "based" and "red pilled" you are to other incest on the internet. Please go outside this whole comment section sounds pathetic(no surprise with this channel)
I like how Ryan mentions this season ends on all things converging on something big happening, with no pay off. All I can think of is that was exactly my thought after reading the last Ice & Fire book
As much as I always appreciate your criticisms and praise, I think that you all miss the mark in the judging of the season. It is a weak season no matter how you all seem to praise it compared to the last season. You acknowledge that at the end of the last episode, it was like “Omg shit is about to happen” and then it didn’t and I think that’s the reason why I felt so deflated at the start of the season and was constantly poking holes at it because… those holes are there. It’s not a 2/10, it’s not dogshit but it’s a 6/10 or even a 7/10 and as I said i can’t figure why you were all like “this is the bad episode of the season” when arguably it’s a bad season
@@BobBill-g1qi don't believe that, but it does look that way, especially Ryan, blind praise with almost no criticism, just like shills do it with Marvel and Disney SW, sad, very sad, my respect for them went down with this show.
Thats pretty much sums it up perfectly. Ep 4 was perfect but before and after that was nothing but an edge fest. “Will there be action? Any action? Oooop no action?? How about nudity? Any sex (straight sex)??? Any fighting???? No fighting??” Waaaaaaay too much set up, every episode was a set up for the build up of the next ep
both episodes written by Geeta Vasant Patel are about two women secretly meeting to prevent war as if only men are responsible for war (that is the message) whereas the war in question was literally caused by these same two women they are feigning innocence or seeking forgiveness as if the consequences of their actions aren't actually their fault it is painfully obvious that this writer is delusional and unqualified, her worldview is that of a confused child thinking they just realized what is going on, the vibe of this episode is that of the viral video with some NA soccer mom speaking directly to Putin as if her giving him a mothers hug would create peace around the globe legendary bait and switch episode, I would be careful of Season 3...
@RAZGR1Z Exactly. He has become the thing he claims to hate. Like those Star Wars fans, who argue that The Acolyte is good. HOTDS2 had great production values, mainly good acting, great CGI, a few could set-pieces and some good character interaction, but ultimately, it was badly written, had terrible pacing, and was full of too many ‘oh come on, you have to be joking’ scenes, to be anything other than a massive let down. S8 bad imo.
@@edelmantoamendola The entire panel, but especially Ryan, are in denial that the show is exactly the same trash like what they usually criticize. It makes sense that they wanted HotD to be an exception in a sea of garbage shows, and they wanted Season 2 to follow up on good quality of Season 1. But that just did not happen. Season 2 is legitimately awful. They should get off copium inhaler and admit that HBO ruined this IP for the second time.
@@tentonmotto6779S1 was like a 6.5/10, not even close to Got s1-4, but not bad. S2 of HOTD has been an absolute slow slog and a steaming pile of sht. The writing, tension, and characters range from snooze fest to straight up sht
@@ibrahimtall6209 I agree with you about Season 1 too. Decent enough, if you compare it with the garbage that is on TV rn. But no way near GOT S1-S4 either. Although, I think GOT S2 wasn't good either, mainly because of Dany's storyline, but at least it ended strongly.
Sara Hess needs to be kept far away from the future seasons. She has managed the write both the worst episodes of both seasons so far.
don't be sexist and racist
@@riner9 if speaking facts makes me sexist and racist, then so be it 😂
@@riner9 Don't think it's either. Sara is a hack.
@@govinddas7876 bigot
@@brandonm4550 nazi
Sara Hess has her name on the worst two episodes of this show. That's quite an achievement.
What’s the other one?
@@asm-6547s1e9
S1ep9 her dragon kills a lot of people.
I bet she will write the final episode, called Woke of dragons.
Is Sara Hess the woman married to Jared Hess who wrote Napoleon Dynamite? What a fall from grace from that to this, lolol
The writers have clearly chosen sides. Rhaneyra can do no wrong. And Alicent is the sole reason everything has gone to shit.
We still have Aegon to set matters right.
It seemed to me the show was trying to make excuses for both of them…and that would fit THE MESSAGE
Rhaneyra does all sorts of Wrong but the show "writers " wont even notice it let alone point it out
No side to chose read the books, the blacks have the birthright claim… if the greens were in the right they wouldn’t need the Triarchy ☠️ lowest of the low, which basically stamps them as villains in history. Rhaenyra is largely missing from the texts at this point. Also it make sense now how they took kings landing at the perfect time, if they had this back room deal it makes sense.
I think this could actually work in some sense if it was done better, because of how biased the maesters are in telling the story in the books, it could be a really cool angle to show those events from a more even light but instead they just did the opposite and painted alicent in a bad light instead of rhaenyra
This Episode was Written by Sara hess, the person that wrote the worst episode of Season one, It singlehandedly made me not care for this series anymore, thanks Sara…
Lol it makes sense now😂
Same
The whole season was bad but this was by far the worst. What a disappointment this show has become
Same
Why did they bring her back?! Gawdammit
The actress for Rhaena is terrible. She made such a goofy ass expression when she finally found that dragon. Like a looney tunes character.
DEI hire
@@alexbiehn978aka House Velaryon and Grand Maester
😂😂😂 looney toon good one 😂😂😂
maybe it's she was looking at literal dragon lol. She's obviously gonna be scared af even though she's happy she found it
I was thinking the same thing. She just doesn't have the acting chops to pull off these scenes.
Did you guys all forget when Daemon crowned Rhaenyra and bent the knee in season 1? Having him go through Disneys haunted mansion for six episodes to end up at the same spot was fucking stupid
Yep 100% the "arc" they put Daemon through was all easily derived from season one without being so hamfisted and in your face as in S2. Season two's portrayal of Daemon was done solely to deconstruct his character so the writers fave Rheyneara would be elevated by comparison - since she wasn't liked enough for their satisfaction. It was nakedly obvious and frustrating they were unable to see it.
Ryan and Gary forgot the contents of the book this show was supposed to be adapted from.
You forget he choked her out after crowning her? It was obvious he was using her to try and get back the inheritance he lost because of her, and had no respect for her. Daemon going through an arc where he realizes the throne is not his place, and he must play his part or damn the world was perfectly acceptable.
@@bandaid6550 Daemon lashed out realizing that his brother never trusted him with his most important secret. Daemon having issues over Viserys and Rhaenyra still I totally understand but he is a staunch supporter of her claim because its also his family.
AGREE!!!
The writer of this episode needs to not be allowed to write anymore….. the only two episodes she’s done have been the worst of both seasons.
Omg that biiiatch again whyyyy
Did you see at the end they had Lara Tess or whatever her name is at the end defending the episode and she is the weakest Zoomer who has wasted some many opportunities for action. Lots of talk and no action. Even the show runner was defending her writing too. She is obviously to blame for this crap. What a tease ! Where is the payoff ? Wait 2 years ! It’s like a bad GF.
But the writer also wrote episode 2 this season which is one the best this season
@@olhanoliva4731 Episode 2 was garbage
@@TGTK-FreeSpeech-it was literally the best. It had the incredible Otto scenes
This show sucked me in with the 1st season. 2nd season broke the spell COMPLETELY, I'm done with this show if this what they're doing. Well done for tricking me into false hope HOTD, but no more.
The 3rd season might suck you back in if they pay off all the battles and twists that are in the books but judging by this season idk
@@willbeard4835they already ruined the characters there’s no coming back from this with a cool battle or two. Only for the fans who wanted dragons and battles over story anyway
Agreed, waiting 2 years for agenda, terrible writing, nothing happening and then they want people to watch next season, are they retarded?
S1 was carried by Viserys. We didn't even get any real blood or tits in S2. Not a single scene. Not my HBO.
@@brianb152 agreed there. I thought we were getting mad Queen this season
The whole story line of women not wanting to kill people in war got very stupid. It worked a bit in beginning but at some point girls need to grow up.
I agree. Before Rook's Rest it made sense that they were staving off the inevitable, but after that it just made them all look stupid. "We have to stop the war from happening!" While the war rages all around them
lol the need to drop cersie into this show,these ladies of house of dragon will all be dead in one episode.
This exactly. Besides, if memory serves right:
- Rhaenys got a lot of smallfolk killed after escaping back in 1.09
- Meleys, Vhaghar and Sunfyre (not sure about him) roasted an undetermined number of soldiers in Rook’s Rest
- Smallfolk starved to death thanks to the blockade of the Black faction
- Vermithor happily feasted on the bastards and Rhaenyra didn’t give a f*ck
I mean, that “we don’t want people to die” becomes pretty ridiculous and hypocritical given that people are already dying and not only because of the actions of men.
@@spartanmuse I've noticed this trend happening more and more in media especially with girl bosses.
It comes off as them trying to push moral relativism which is dangerous because it's encouraging people to be narcissistic and assume their thinking and actions are the correct ones and they don't actually think about the consequences that affect others besides themselves.
It was so dumb because Rainares sneaks into King's Landing to have a secret meeting with Alicent. And then in this episode Alicent has some revelation and decides to sneak into her city because poetry rhymes. The guards are like, yeah that's fine. But for some reason she's 180° now and wants a war no matter what. The writing is so stupid written it reminded me of The Last Jedi the way people can come and go so they can have some scenes.
Having Daemon to see the final season of GoT with the white walkers approaching as justification of his character motivation is really fucking lame. Not only it ruins him as well fleshed out character but now the show reminds me of the shittiest season in tv history? Really? I dont want to be reminded that at all, but now that looks like his entire character motivation going forward. Wtf, what a lame justification for his future action.
It undermined all of the build up to the vision of his brother telling him that the crown will destroy whoever wears it.
I was hoping that Daemons plot this season would have some point but it was totally pointless in the end, like the whole season.
What if Daemon seen Winds of Winter and not GoT season 8?
@@Kornn66 I don't think it's totally pointless although it was handled poorly, especially at the end with the stupid "Winter is coming" part. Otherwise, it seems that the point was for Daemon to conclude that he doesn't want to be the king after having coveted the throne for so long.
@@philhelm1318 It shouldnt have taken whole season for him to see that. I was hoping his plot would have given more info about weirwoods and the magic that we dont know yet but they just want to tie this show to GoT all the time and i dont care about that.
Wtf was this ending?
-Alicent went from jumping in front of a dragon to protect her children to betraying them over walks in the woods (well except for daeron I guess, she doesn't even consider him lol)
-Daemons spends a season torn between his hunger for power and the understanding of how hard it is to bear it, only to have a vision of the future and make his final choice based only on that (making the rest of the visions totally pointless)
-Aemond has to convince haelena to ride into battle and doesn't even mentions how it would protect her kid from the people that killed the first one
-Helaena has now telepathy and just spoils the future events, like this
-Rhaenyra going with the "a son for a son" as if they didn't already kill jaeherys and alicent didn't just tell her to kill aemond lol, and of course alicent doesn't reply😂
This episode was so bad that the whole season would have been 10 times better if it ended last week with just 7 episodes.
This season had 3 good episodes. Hard pass on season 3 now for me.
@@brandonm4550 Yeah im thinking that i should stop watching the show. But i know myself and will probably watch it still as i cant leave a story unfinished. I did afterall suffer though GoT season 8 even when i hated the show already in season 6.
It's possible Alicent thinks they are bound to lose now that the Dragon advantage has swapped. Trading a son who is so injured that he has stated he wants to die for everyone else's life isn't unrealistic.
-Daemon changing plans after receiving new information is super realistic. If you were planning to invade a country, then found out that space aliens were coming to exterminate humanity, of course you would immediately 100% change focus towards stopping the aliens. It would be idiotic to just go back to planning the invasion.
Jumping in front of the dragon was a split second, instinctual decision, as opposed to her slow, tear filled realization that if she wants to end the war, Aegon needs to die. You can't compare the two scenes the way you are and be good faith. Also Jahaerys was Helaena's kid, not Allicent's.
Sounds like they're going full The Boys in terms of trying to tell you what you should think and like.
Thank you for saying this because our panel dropped the ball.
To clarify, I meant the showrunners are so pro-team black that it's actively worsening the show.
@@alexanderm8880 aha, I thought you were referring to “the messaging” that seems to have also destroyed that show as well as this one. Thanks for clarifying.
@STEALTHKAOS I suppose that works too lol, I just realized my wording was ambiguous so I thought I'd clarify
@STEALTHKAOS someone not getting their confirmation bias fed to them? Didn't hear the word woke enough?
A 70 minute trailer for Season 3
The whole season is a trailer, 90% of bs they "accomplished" in this farce of a season was obvious in season 1
Total waste of time
Plus the rest of Season 2.
best dicripption
Right! Smh
so just skip everything and watch the final season
With this episode, the series has officially lost me. Almost every scene feels like a rehash of a previous scene; just look at Corlys or Rhaenyra. Total stagnation. Also, did we really fucking need Tyland's pointless dumbass negotiations IN THE FINALE?
How else were we going to get tranny power? You know, the stuff that actually matters? Representation matters, dammit!
This show has officially "Jumped the Dragon"
What you didn't like the she/her pirate lord? 😂
@@brianbagnall3029 The one that’s apparently gotten beaten up by 100 captains and is still leading them for some reason? 😂
This show has a massive issue with the writing of the main female characters. The writers' attitude towards Rhanerya, Allicent, and Rhaenys has always been super sympathetic and tempered, as if the things these women set in motion and the the terrible outcomes they are responsible for are somehow never really their fault, or can be explained away by circumstance, or having to live in a world of men, or bad luck or other characters' who benefit from their mistakes. It's the Boogie effect. Somehow, they are always the downtrodden or noble victims caught in a cross-fire, and never treated like the grown adults with agency and accountability that would make them far more compelling as characters.
Even when called out for their behaviour within the show itself, there's always an out, or the conversation is framed in a way that suggests that the person calling one of them out isn't totally correct or speaking in bad faith or the show will artificially give one of the women a forced win that doesn't feel earned at all. It's really weird, and now we're reaping the sum of this wonky approach to their character writing. The internal morality, logic, and motivations of each character is now wildly off - what the show wants us to think about these characters doesn't line up at all with what it's actually shown us.
Rhanerya: show wants us to see a committed, cautious, and compassionate leader. Show has shown us a reckless, indecisive, and weak leader who is a horrible judge of character and couldn't inspire a dog to its dish.
Allicent: show wants us to see a victim forced to operate and survive in terrible circumstances who has had all her agency stripped from her. Show has shown us a woman who has known full well the game she was getting into, chose to play it, played well, until it went sideways, and now wants to infantilise her part in its outcomes. A poor mother, worse leader, and hypocrite.
Rhaenys: show wants us to see a strong, wise, capable woman who would have been a great queen. Show shows us a hypocritical, opportunistic, elitist who's completely unaware of the lives she has ruined and the mistakes she has made.
It's pretty wild how it's spiralled this far out of control within the span of 9 episodes.
I've noticed some of the same discrepancies you've listed here, which is why I don't quite buy this panel's usual defense that the show isn't "woke" because it shows female characters making big mistakes, all the while my gut keeps seeing the actual framing as "these women aren't able to succeed because the men are bad."
It's what made GoT in its earlier seasons so compelling. The show recognised not only when characters made mistakes but that they were mistakes others learned from and acknowledged in-universe. When Ned trusted Cersei, when Joffrey executed Ned, Tyrion making 1 too many enemies while hand, Rob breaking his oath to the Freys these are all brilliantly handled and the characters errors are examined well. There's so much purpose and intent behind everything GoT shows us. It's hyperaware in those early seasons.
This show, much less so. Especially this season.
Well to be fair alot of modern women actually think and act like this and try to avoid accountability so in that sense they got it right, but it's horrible for trying to write compelling characters and stories
@@zhengyingliExactly, Mauler saying that Rhaenyra is indecisive, so show does show her flaws, so not only men are bad, same with Alicent, same Helaena, same even with Mysaria, that they did something bad because of male characters, that they made mistakes because of them, problem is with Rhaenyra "Flaws" is that they dosen't representated as flaws, problem with Alicent flaws that they are there because of men surrounding her, and she is easily influenced by them, she's representated as least bad Green after Helaena,
@@captbuckyohare5585Yeeees! And Rhaenyra's "Flaws" isn't represented as such.
I don't understand why tv show writers agree to adapt a very popular book and then make changes to the book lore in the tv show? If you want to tell a different story then dont adapt a book. Tv adaptations should be almost verbatim to the book just in a visual medium. After what happened to GOT you would think they would learn
That has to be one of the dumbest takes ever dude.
It's a totally different medium, Expecting them to be "almost verbatim" is retarded. Just go read the book at that point
That is easy. They want a paycheck, but they also do not want their precious "creativity" stifled by using the original author's work as the foundation of the story. They want to at least tinker.
There has to be changes that are made for television and movies when it adapts a book because there are things that you can do and get away with in books that you cannot do and cannot get away with in movies and TV. That also works the other way around there are things you can do in movies and TV that you cannot get away with in books.
i hated most of the changes brought by the writers to both GoT and HotD. But unfortunately, i'm afraid some changes are necessary. Not all of the books is 100 % adaptable on screen. The other issue is, books fans are deeply involved, usually have a higher intellect than the tv show fans. But they are not enough book fans to make such an expensive show profitable, unfortunately. To get enough viewers, you're forced to downgrade the complexity of the show, the number of characters, and to make really nuanced backgrounds more manichean. Stupid normies need good guys and villains. But they went too far here : it's not supposed to be that the blacks are the good guys and the greens are the villains.
It’s easy.
Same goes for Rings of Power, everything is written down for them, they still eff it up. Same goes for video game adaptations
House of the Dragon it out
Season 2, Episode 8: The Finale That Never Was
wiNteR iS cOminNg, no, no it isn’t. Thanks for reminding us of the easily defeated Knight King and showing Danny. No one want to be reminded of that crap.
Do the writers not realise that the white walkers are in no way threatening anymore, after the king was defeated by a little girl. This episode was season 8 bad. Total and utter crap.
Too many too-long Girlboss Summit conversations, in order to give the female actresses equitable screen time.
Rhaenyra is a Queen, but acts like a Social Worker.
My expectations were subverted. I feel empty inside. Thanks HBO.
How so?
@@drakethesnek6429 My expectation was that the show will be decent. They got subverted... doubly so. Not only was it not indecent in the end, it wasn't even decent!
@@tomaszwota1465Bro keep fuckin crying into your milk. The show is literally doing justice to the dogshit book it's based off of
Rhaenyra said “A son for a son” to Alicent’s face and Jaehaerys was not mentioned *once.* For me, this has now gone firmly into season 8 territory. The embers of my enthusiasm are as cold ashes now.
Kinda reveals that possibly (almost definitely) that these episodes are either written & filmed in a non linear order or that each episode's unique producer/writer isn't paying attention to what the other writers are producing in the other episodes.
@@DarkWRLDGmzEither there's a writer's room and Condal isn't a good showrunner, or there isn't a writer's room in which case... no wonder.
wtiters strike made editing the script impossible and you can tell the latter half of the season
Omg that made me mad
Alicent just kind of forgot her grandson was beheaded on Daemons orders
“Why are you here?”
“Because I lost my way. Or rather, it was taken from me.”
And *that* is where every criticism of no real accountability or agency is vindicated explicitly in the show itself. Show Alicent should have known her place, and it wasn’t trying to exercise power. Her book counterpart, she most certainly is not.
Very applicable to this stream and Warner Brothers nuking the original
Alicent in the books died alone & crazy unless you believe mushroom who said they were forced to sell themselves, you didn’t read anything
@@phatch5444 After being defeated, not snivelling and selling out her own family. Don't forget, she made no pleas for Gwayne or Daeron in that scene.
@@sardonically-inclined7645It makes me laugh no end, that in their attempt to white-wash Alicent, and shove all of the green's dirtyness onto her sons, they suceed in making her even more monsterous.
@@chromicm6686 I know, right?! She was the one who twisted Aegon's arm into ascending the throne, based on her own mistaken idea of what Viserys wanted. Aegon was not equipped to shoulder that, and now he's been burnt, lamed and traumatized. Despite this, Alicent is going to throw him to the wolves in order to garner freedom FOR HERSELF! Mother of the year, here.
She hasn't been absolved of anything IMO. Like you said, she's more a monster than ever.
The writers need to work on pacing. Stranger things and Game of Thrones have the exact same pacing. Good writing and something is always happening. Hotd feels like I’m trying to sneak past my grandma to get to the kitchen but then she stops me and talks for 15 min about boring 💩
Its cheaper than CGI battles..
Whole episode was made to introduce trans admiral and show female power.
Goofiest cornball shit I’ve ever seen on Television me and my family were fuckin’ disgusted. Writers room full of weirdos. I’m a left winger and this shoehorning of modern political/social ideology into what’s supposed to be a medieval fantasy is wild.
At least they made the Admiral look pretty weak rather than a boss. She fought a Diplomat with seemingly minimal combat training and either lost/drawed.
@@jasonjanisewski78 true but at the same time it was just weird lol. Like this is the “Admiral” that “All the Captains refuse to sail without!” ? 🥲😂
@@AegonTheUnlikely Yeah. I was actually surprised they allowed the admiral to be punched/lose. My theory is that they are loyal to Lohra due to personality. Lohra seemed like a pretty fun to hang out with person (likes to fight, make jokes, drink, hook up with girls). Among sailors it isn't surprising those would be admired traits
That character is from the book. Except he is a dude with purple hair and beard who likes to wear dresses. Yes I know this one is still a dude.
Im also annoyed at the repeat of how they did with Danny in Rehnyera where everyone sides with her "bc shes the good one" and she herself doesnt really do much to earn it
The DEI is inevitable. Until the laws change forbidding fund managers from using funds to short stocks or have voting rights or sit on boards
@@cosmictreason2242Not the point
@@davidcopperfield5345 DEI is why the Velaryons magically became black.
I was screaming at my TV when Rhaenyra decided to lament the innocent death that would happen of dragons were introduced into the war... as if she didn't do that EXACT thing just FOUR FREAKING EPISODES AGO! Where was this moral tact when you casually threw out "They mistake my inaction for weakness."
@@RAZGR1Zwhich is quite possibly the stupidest race swap yet.
Lots of people standing around and talking about their “feelings”. We didn’t even get to see Aemond burning down Sharp Point to emphasize his angry evilness. Tyland Lannister is emasculated while a dude with blue hair watches but does strike back. Women beating ok? No action. No battle. And now we have to wait 2 years for the next season !!!Frustrating !!!!!
FU$&ING OOF
I am glad I didn’t watch the last two episodes, I was bored after episode 6. And to hear it ended with just more talking, yikes.
Glad I played video games instead
@ronsmith8424 Very much agreed. All I can think of throughout this episode is "too much estrogen."
@@Kiryu_Kazuma01typical adhd brain
@@patrikmojdis5262 yep. When one of my all time favorite game series is known to have some of the longest cut scenes in gaming and I have played through 6 of them
@@Kiryu_Kazuma01yeah good call, I watched the episode instead of playing rainbow six and i bitterly regret it
“But this is the best show on right now” is not a sufficient excuse for the quality issues people seem to be having.
And it's not the best show right now. Shogun is far better than this and it didn't have a single battle scene in its first season.
@@cirjaonisim1113 Keep in mind Shogun is getting a Season 2 which wasn't originally the plan.
Better to compare HotD S1 and Shogun S1, or HotD as a whole and Shogun S1
This show isn’t good. It has some good production values and acting but its writing, pacing and overall story isn’t good. Gary and company are losing me on this with their love for it. It’s probably the most woke thing on tv atm and they give it a pass because of the ip it’s attached to. If this was any other ip they would be destroying it on a weekly basis
Yeah that's pure copium.
Sorry Ryan but you're still slurping up dogsh1t.
Hotd is a 5/10 surrounded by 2/10s. Not the best by a long shot, but there are a lot of genuinely good moments for them to compliment.
-No Nettles
-Rhaenyra the Messiah
-Helaena the three-eyed crow
-Alicent the traitor
-All roads lead to GoT season 8
Helaena and Alys…ugh. Instead of this era’s Melisandre and a dreamer, we just got two creepier fatalistic versions of Wednesday Adams + BloodRaven. Genuinely, why?
@@sardonically-inclined7645 -No boobs (as far as I know, I haven't watched)
rhaenyra with a messiah complex works perfectly fine
You forgot Jon Snow wannabe Cregan Stark at the wall .
@@sardonically-inclined7645 -No boobiez
It all started to fall apart when Aemond tried to kill Aegon. Why would you try to kill your brother when you only have 2 dragon riders on your side and team black has 5 dragon riders at that time. That plot did not make sense, no matter how power hungry Aemond was.
Yes, agreed. The same plot could have been achieved much more subtly if Rhaenys got the final blow on Sunfyre, Aegon screamed for help and Aemond attacked Rhaenys instead of protecting Aegon. Then Aemond's actions are rational but Aegon still feels betrayed by his brother's indifference and fears for his life
Harming Sunfyre deliberately was monumentally stupid
@@sivad1025 I don’t think they should have been made into that either, make them good friends like in the book. The Badass Duo who work together against the enemies.
This episode was a huge mistake from the show runners. As a penultimate episode, it might be a 6 or 6.5 out of 10. As a season finale, it basically a 2 out of 10. It leaves almost EVERY plot thread hanging, and we might not get season 3 for 2 more years. This episode killed a lot of enthusiasm for this show. The writers and show runners need to work on pacing BIG TIME. Lots of good character moments in this season…but barely anything happens plot wise. Very disappointing overall.
Well said.. I actually came to these comments while watching this episode.. I got the the mudpit fight and couldn't watch anymore.. I think I am out.
agree 100% very very poor.
@@couragetruthfreedom understandable. The mud pit scene was….a bit ridiculous 🤦♂️
I tried re-watching Episode 8 again and it's almost unwatchable. The mud wrestling, Rhaena running around aimlessly for 3 scenes, the pointless conversation between Alicent & Rhaenyra, any scene with Ulf in.. and this is supposed to be the season finale, all so disappointing.
Season 2 finale. The Battle That Never Was.
Best comment. What a let down.
Helaena read all of Fire of Blood and ASOIAF and informed Daemon he was just a secondary character
Lol .
And Aemond that he not even that.
Why do people like Daemon’s acid trips? That shit the was ridiculously slow, repetitive, boring and pointless.
Yep, all to make him submit to Raniera (or however tf you spell it, idc anymore) which is where he left off in season 1.
@@boreopithecus 7 episodes of build up that Daemon wants to be king only for it all to be turned around at the very last second with a Deus ex machina vision
The worst thing this show has done is try to include anything to do with the white walkers. We know where it goes. Why try to include at all?
Yep it will always go back to that cancerous season 8
Especially since the white walkers turned out to be a whole bunch of nothing, they crossed the wall and poof five minutes later they all completely evaporated.
@@boreopithecus I still believe Dumb and Dumber fucked up the War For The Dawn completely
Season 6-8 is fan fiction.
They want to justify season 8
Can we talk about how Helena seems to not care at all that she just saw her son get slaughtered like a pig in front of her?
I think she's on the spectrum
I think they are trying to go with the power of prescience giving the person who has it a kind of detachment from the world that is uncanny.
The book version going a bit off her rocker out of grief and guilt was not something they wanted to do with a female character in the show.
She’s got a big touch of the Tism
@@mjbull5156 If that’s the case, that’s absurd.
She clearly cares, not everyone deals with grief and stress the same, she's the most autistic mf in the whole green family, I'm fine with her reactions.
Alicent to Rhaenyra: “Run away with me.”
😂🤣😂🤣
Biggest eye roll of all time, what is this euphoria?
Whoever writes this slop is entirely trained on fanfiction smut.
To be expected from female writers.
Ya'll really liked all of Daemons agency taken away from him? And now he's a generic good guy knight all in on team Rhynera because some witch showed him season 8 Game of Thrones?
People liked the bad boy too much.
Tsk tsk tsk, don't you know that's like suuuuper like toxic?!
A season where the targaryens were worthless and the long night was ended by a STARK
If anything Daemon should be bending the knee to Cregan Stark!
@@DoubleO88 You mean the Jon Snow .The actor was weird .
He's always been devoted to the targaryen family and was convinced simply asserting dominance was the best way to protect their dynasty and always dismissed magic and dreams as a waste of time. Being shown that Viserys dream convinced him to accept his role.
Also on a human level he's always loved and hated his brother in harrenhall he's forced to confront how he failed to support Viserys, he realizes the only way he can redemn himself and honor Viserys is to support Rhaenyra which is what he would have wanted.
These aren't generic good guy traits the reason Daemon feels so strongly about this is because he's a Valyrian supremacist and very incestuous.
The trans girl took me right out. Uncanny valley disruptus.
It's pretty hilarious that they chose Lohar specifically to cast one considering his book narrative.
Gonna retype what I wrote since I swapped the damn genders around. In the books, Lohar was described as a femine man. Problem is, they gender swapped the character in HoTD and then expect you to believe that it's a "woman" playing the role. You can CLEARLY tell it's a MAN and it completely destroyed all of my immersion every time he was on screen. I'm tired of it.
@@Entreped Clocked in a split second. Millions of years of evolution cannot be beaten.
@@EntrepedPretty sure it’s supposed to be a hermaphrodite man in the show. The pirates say “he”.
The finale was dogshit. Some decent dialogue, I guess (like Criston Cole and Alicent's brother scene). But it leans into the worst of the worst impulses of GoT. Endless yapping, people conveniently teleporting, no action. Gender swapping Lohar because the writers can't help themselves not having another girlboss ordering around, overpowering or intimidating every man in 500m radius because script says so. Alicent suddenly willing to give up her son since the script needs to hammer the point that women are willing to sacrifice everything to prevent conflict while the men are wildly rushing to it.
At least Gary has the clarity of mind to recognize it's gone GoT s8.
God you don’t actually think that was a “woman” do you?
That """""gender swapped""""" Lohar is literally a man.
Lohar was a feminine man in the books. The show changed the character to female and then got a man pretending to be a woman for the role. Every scene with Lohar ruined my immersion immediately. When ideology is more important then the story, this is the result.
"I am no man!"
✂
🍆
Lohar didn't overpower every man. The exact opposite happened. Lohar fought 1 vs 1 against a relatively wimpy Diplomat in a mud pit and basically lost/draw. So far Lohar's battle record is either 0-1 or 0-0-1.
You guys should give Acolyte another try. Not because it's a good show, it's genuinely dog. But if you watch it with the same eyes you are this show you could probably enjoy it.
Genuinely.
Exactly!!!
Honestly lol
They may need the power of 1, the power of 2, the power of MAAAANNNYY rewatches to understand the true masterpiece that is Acolyte
Cope and sneed
Lmao you're not wrong. Ryan is defending this show like one of those deranged stans on xitter.
I thought this whole season was boring as fuck with like one or two exceptions. Very disappointed
As a viewer, I really dislike being strung along by HBO for financial reason. The two year period between seasons is not worth it.
You should have sailed the seven seas for this season.
Yup, especially since there’s probably going to be a WWIII until then at this rate, and we won’t even be able to see the goodies.
Alicent literally got them all into this, and the moment things don’t go her way, she sells out her sons, brother, and lover to the enemy. A literally traitor, and the worst character in this series by FAR
Except that isn't true. You could argue Daemond got them all into this. If he was a better person and not power hungry, he could have been named heir. You could argue Viserys got them into this by not naming Aegon heir. You could argue Rhynaera got them into this by not accepting that a female heir would not be accepted and then not bending the knee once the other side took power.
Otto already had everything planned.
Typical woman
@@jasonjanisewski78 Except it is true if she did not come forward with the King incoherent babble as naming a different heir the Rhyneara claim could not be contested. Yes Rhyneara would struggle as a woman on the throne but are we gonna pretend that the iron throne is not a hot potato anyway.
None of them compared to Viserys so no matter who he named there would be problems.
Viserys started all of this .Should have kept his pants on and named Rhaenyra as his heir and be done with it .
You guys fell for the oldest trick by SJWs, the bait and switch. That is why I never gave HOTD a chance and looks like, once again, I'm vindicated.
true!
Yep, same with the boys. Mostly great first season with some woke annoyances but not show breaking. Then they show their true colors once they have your investment.
There was no payoff for the season. Echoes of GoT season 8 showing through.
Are you still pretending it's a good show?
Qeens and Kings walk around, alone, in enemies' territories.
Is it in the books? that's more fantasy than fantasy.
It's not in the books at all. The illogical things happening on the show came from the showrunners' mind and HBO, not from George.
@@rpgadventurer32 So, all the secret meetings and plotting in enemy territores are not part of the original story...? It does feel like a soap opera at times. It's well crafted but the story has too many dumb things. And why nobody is mass-producing the ballista that can take down the dragons. I have seen one in the whole show and it didn't even work. They do literally nothing to protect themlseves from dragons not even something simple like digging tunnels. In a world where dragon is the atomic bomb, there would be tunnels everywhere, like trenches in ww1
It's official rhaenyra is a girl boss, zero criticism nothing , oh well dddddd
I agreed with that for most of the season, but her asking for Aegon's head as "a son for a son" is pretty dark and evil. Aegon didn't kill Luke, Aemond did. At this point, Rhaenyra is asking a woman to sacrifice her son, the same thing she experienced with losing Luke, out of nothing but petty revenge.
@@frankvandorp2059 You see, but it doesn't make sense. It is convenient that Alicent forgot to mention the murder of Aegon's son to show why that doesn't make sense. Almost like the show is sweeping everything for Rhaenyra. Fk Sara Hess.
@@frankvandorp2059 omg the baby killer asking for a son ,thats the problem , she is reckles and evil and the show wont point it out , Corlys should ne yelling at her like Otto Did to Aeagon , her council should be screaming mad ,
@@khaalmalki4039 omg god yess exactly these people are just braindead
@@khaalmalki4039Oh this whole show sweeps HARD for Saint Rhaenyra and the Blacks in general. It just ruins what the whole point of the Dance of the Dragons storyline even was. Instead of two morally compromised, power-hungry factions who are both to blame, we have good guys and bad guys.
How can people say there’s no comedy in this show when we have the Rhaena scenes? 😂
I burst out laughing every time they cut back to a Targaryen princess - effectively if not De Jure - being allowed to wander the wilderness and not once did she meet an Arryn guard, a shepherd or a Vale tribesman.
All they had to do was show a scene where one of the guards goes to her tent and it’s empty, him panicking because he can’t find her, then cut to her in the wilderness.
That at least would be somewhat excusable but still not by much because she’s putting everyone in the Vale at risk with her stupidity because if she dies, Rhaenyra is within her rights to nuke the Eyrie for not protecting her. This was just such a dumb, reckless, needless action because they could have just given us Nettles and that would be fine.
How is this subplot not the purest comedy gold you’ve ever seen in your life? 🤣
I was thinking the same thing. Has Rhaena ever been in the wilderness? How would she know how to survive? The Vale is literally the second coldest region in the seven kingdoms so she would've froze to death, quite literally.
And why would she be unguarded, alone in the back of the travel party? She's, as you say, the princess daughter to the King consort. Just a verbal drinking game of who and how every time they cut to her scenes 😂
Girlboss moment
to be fair Aegon lamenting he lost his dick was funny....or perhaps a euphemism that he wasn't much of a man to begin with
The actress' espression at the end killed me 😂
@@randomusername3873 😲😲
ARIA STABING THE FUCKING NIGHT KING IS FUKING RETARTED, IS THE WORST THING EVER
Them dying in 1 episode was dummer no winter has ever came.
@@sebastiancarrionantona blame Preston Jacobs joke for that
Yep
I kind of liked her villain arc early on, especially when she was first training to become a faceless assassin. It would have been better if John had had to put her down after killing Little Finger, seeing as she had become more of rabid dog than the Hound was. Instead, he kills Danerys. Arya doesn't make sense as a hero, especially a puny badass wight slayer.
@@banhammer3904 Thats because the early parts were mostly in the books with some changes they did in the show, once she left the training is when it became shit since they didnt had any source material to be based on, kinda the takes for most plot points as well
It’s one thing to leave on a cliffhanger but every plot line except what will Daemon do, was left hanging. All of them. Could we not get a couple other threads tied up?
its clear they had to cut episode 9 and 10 due to budget cuts from the merger... haha screw ceos
@@Xero-rr2ol Even if that were true you really think two more shite episodes would be helpful?
Stop simping for this show just because its not absolute garbage.
Stop simping the comment section
@@petri2767 your mom on a bicycle
Says the dude with a fucking Aemond PFP
though it is terrible.
@@themarkofoctopus1548 it's not but aight
so wait pirate admiral is a male pretending to be a woman IRL...playing a dude...poorly?
Why do writers do this shit 😂 Trans rEpResEnTaTiOn!! Well they can't act for shit so get someone else 😂
She is a woman playing a transwoman. They missed their chance for a DEI hire!!
Again
yes f this stupid show
2024🤣
Everyone going on about season 3 being war, cut to the first episode and aftermath of a battle and more talking then humming and harring for a couple of episodes then she walks into the capital and it’s done
It wouldn't surprise me if that did happen. There were battles in this series they could have shown, but didn't.
@@alsteele5106 clearly not read the book 😂😂
It’s amazing how in a show about a huge war, we got one battle this season and the only other 2 points of action we only see the aftermath. How the fuck do you not show a dragon burning civilians alive it’s an instant highlight of the episode
@@Viper8962 well there is only 4 major battles in the war so what is point
Remember when everybody was talking how the first season was just buildup and the war would start in season 2? Can't wait for that in season 3 again...
Having Rhaynera and Alicent meeting secretly twice in one season is bad, bad writing. I hated the first time they did this in the Sept.
Is Sara Hess a single cat lady?
No she’s a lesbian cat lady
A lesbian with a child.
@@Fayaazish lmao, now it all makes sense
@@Fayaazish A lesbian with a victim
((( )))
They lost me with the transformer pirate character, they just can’t help themselves.
They absolutely cannot…it’s a damn shame this is what it’s come to.
they subverted our expectations cant believe how brave are the writers
This character is literally transgender in the book
@@seanheron9107 it is not
It's actually impressive how fast this show has gone downhill. Not even gradual like Game of Thrones, but falling off a cliff. A whole season of set up, blue balling viewers to make them come back for season 3 is insulting to the audience that gave this show a chance after season 8 of GoT. These writers insist on wasting viewers time so I'm not going to waste my time with the third season. Ciao.
bye
@@user-yw9ys3dz7xyou’re big mad lmao
@@Gojeto346 no
I feel like we needed 2 more episodes in this season, was NOT a satisfying ending AT ALL. What happened to awesome/epic season finales? This one just sucked
It definitely felt like they had a battle stored up for the last two episodes but had to cut down for some reason or another.
Im no fan of cancel culture, but this season needs to be cancelled. They need to remake season 2 and use the neuralyzer pen from men in black on us so that we forget this sh"" season.
There was supposed to be. But alas budget cuts
@@omsaxena116 writers strike for sure effected the plans, They should have delyaed the season like 6 months or so
@@Rippel0000 Wow, unjustified hate here. Just go back to GoT. This show (apart from two or three scenes) keeps the story and characters intact and moves them forward well.
The quality drop per season seems to be more of a standard nowadays. Also I think the seeds for it were sown right in the beginning, people were letting too many things slide with the first season just because Rings of Wahmen was making it comparatively look like a masterpiece. A show isn't going to be better just because you ignore what the showrunners are saying, those motivations are going to affect the writing eventually.
Nebuchadnezzar's statute. As time goes on, empires (and corporations, franchises etc) begin at their most glorious but become less so at the same time as they grow more powerful
Yeah that's why I have no hope for Shogun getting milked to oblivion. God, I hate corporations.
This season had a real blackrock/vanguard stink to it
This season? The blackfaced Velaryons didn't get you skeptical from the beginning?
@@RAZGR1Z I’m just a casual viewer…my lore knowledge would be amateur at best…please explain?
@@bmcb3064 House Velaryon are fair-haired and fair-skinned like House Targaryen. The show black washed them.
you got trojan horsed.
Apparently the show is now planned for 4 seasons, when originally it was planned for 3 seasons.
That basically explains all the filler, wildly uneven quality and awkward inconsistencies. They are in "drag it out" mode because the show is a hit. Shame, as now we'll never get the original tighter version.
That's not exactly how it happened. It was planned for 3 seasons but GRRM pushed for 4 because that's how many he felt were needed. We aren't witnessing some nefarious plan by HBO to stretch the content out for more money. We are simply witnessing terrible writing and the inevitable decline in quality that follows.
The producers did say though that they saved budget on getting the action for S3. So they know they kinda fucked up by not having a big battle this episode.. Kinda lame but im giving them the chance here to go all out in S3
They try to drag it out, yet leave out some critical character moments.
Why didnt we see Aemond burning the town? Why would he do this? What was the incitement?
@@chromicm6686 according to his mother because he couldn't stand the shame of running away from Rhaenyra's new dragon riders
@@Chromeskull90 Offscreen, from a person who once again wasnt there to see what happened, who from her own words thinks him a monster.
I dont take issue with him burning a keep, thats where he gets to in the book.
But you have to establish this change gradualy. Not at a minor inconveniance.
This show went downhill so fucking fast
Acting as if it isn’t one of the best shows going atm
@@lewishamilton537 It's the lack of patience and nothing else. if this was a 10 episode season with the Gullet Battle at the end, everyone would be satisfied. But now that's probably the beginning of the next season.
@@lewishamilton537acting as if that’s not a very very low bar.
@@omsaxena116It has its issues, but people acting like this is anywhere near a dumpster fire is still crazy. The pacing has been bad this season, but that primarily stems from a lack of payoffs in the final episode. I think the broader character damage is much harsher, even if it's not what is driving most people away.
@@lewishamilton537 raise your standards ffs
Mysaria doesn't have a bad accent. It's the way she delivers her dialogue that throws people off. Lady Ochiba in the show, Shogun, does a similar thing with her lines. There was lots of praise for the way she portrayed her character.
In stressful conditions, syrian hamster females may eat their own young to survive and I still think they are better mothers than Alicent. She put her son against his will on a throne, she failed in preparing him for the role, and now she is ready to sacrifice him to save herself, so she can have her moment of living “true to herself”. WTF. Cersei was one of the most despicable characters in GOT, but at least you could really tell that she loved her children and that love was her driving force (well, mostly). Alicent is such a pathetic, miserable human being, it is unbelievable how they assassinated her character and it’s obvious that the writers cannot escape favouritism of the side they chose. What is even the point of her in this show anymore?
She should have drowned in last episode like most thought she would. Would have been better ending to her character.
It’s confusing. Basically, she’s trying to make peace rather than risk thousands dying. She asks that Aegon be spared but relents for peace. But a lot of her actions are motivated that if they win, Aemond will be the king and he’ll be a twat…although if he hadn’t kicked her off the council she would still be on his side.
@@BookshelfQBattler it’s not confusing in my opinion, it’s inconsistent writing by a person who already proved herself not the be the sharpest tool in a shed by writing this horrible scene with Rhenys killing thousands of people in Kings Landing and calling it “cool”.
The whole motivation of Alicent so far was the possibility that Rhaenyra sitting on the Iron Throne will demand the killing of Alicent’s sons. I would say it was justified as one of her sons has lost his eye and nobody suffered any consequences. She was in all posters promoting this show as the queen of the other side, opposition to Rhaenrya, and she could be completely erased from this season and it wouldn't differ much. The last scene is a complete assassination of her character by making her not only beyond stupid but also ruthless and opportunistic by sacrificing her whole family to escape the consequences of her actions. I refuse to give her any honourable intentions that she wants to protect the realm, if her son is a twat that is solely her responsibility and she cannot just ignore that and take no accountability for it.
I am really frustrated by this as this show doesn't even try to have any healthy balance between blacks and greens as it did in season 1, it’s straight blacks are cool and greens are bad.
@@Vynesa The fact that she has to comply with her son's death IS the consequence of her actions. She's not doing it for her own peace of mind; that was a happy fantasy at first but it was swiftly crushed when Rhaenyra voices Alicent's greatest fear: Your son must die for me to ascend. This conversation intentionally mirrors the one between young Alicent and Otto in Season 1 Episode 5. Alicent ultimately gives in for the sake of her other children, Helaena and Daeron, the ones who are yet pure. It's quite clear she believes that if the war continues they will either meet a fate as horrible as Aegon's (or worse) or become as monstrous as Aemond. It's a terrible choice either way, and she decides to try and save those of her family who are not yet corrupted, and in doing so make up for her own failings which brought them to that point while also honoring Viserys' last wishes. All of her scenes this season have been carefully building toward exactly this. The questionable logistics of how she's able to meet Rhaenyra aside, it's honestly kind of brilliant and I'm baffled by the degree to which the fandom and this panel seem to want to misunderstand it.
The actual greatest sin this episode commits is the assassination of Daemon, as it fasts forwards to the end point of an arc that was maybe 40% complete, strips him of all ambition and personality, trivializes his toxic and extremely complicated relationship with Rhaenyra, and instead of providing some semblance of a substantial payoff to Alys and the mystery of Harrenhal just throws in a half assed vision that answers nothing and only exists to bait fans of the books by key jangling things that the original show screwed up but have nothing to do with the story that _this_ show is telling.
@@dragonmcmx of course it is a consequence of her actions, but allowing Aegon to be publically executed is not taking accountability for her failings if she asks Rhaenyra to allow her to escape with her daughter. In my opinion, Alicent starts to reflect on everything only when power is slowly taken away from her, not by seeing the consequences of the war. I understand your point of view, but I could consider it if Alicent would give herself to Rhaenyra along with all the “corrupted” family members as she is one of them and way more responsible for everything that has happened than Aegon, who again, never wanted this, was forced by his mother to take the throne and basically dragged back to the castle.
So personally, I don't see this careful build up. I see a miserable woman desperately holding to the rest of the power she has, and when that is taken away, she tries to save herself and her chosen family members. Pathetic, purely idiotic and completely irredeemable after that for me.
With Daemon, 100% true, I will not argue there. It’s just sad how poorly they handled him this season.
Alicent throwing herself in front of a dragon to protect Aegon was the highlight of season 1 for me. This episode totally destroyed it.
She could know that old clubby has taken aegon out of the city? Not trying to defend sloppy writing btw
Lmfao Ryan is still acting like a fangay over this slop of a show. I wonder how long he'll last.
I actually feel sorry for people that are dealing with the cognitive dissonance with this show. Ryan, at least, seems to be thinking of creating a break-away faction of sort in terms of opinion on this pile of dung.
Cast back to season 1 and see where we were in the story and where we are now. Nothing actually happened. We were strung-along with the war-baiting.
Here's my prediction, season 3 will open with the aftermath of a supposedly massive battle. Then we dive right back into "character building" which will be pointless banter mixed in with 5 minute girl boss moments that do nothing for the story, reveals that we saw coming from miles away and which just fall flat, and that season will probably end with a woman on a dragon looking "fierce" and saying "Let's go end this" and you will all be back here talking about how excited you are about the war coming in the next season.
Tsk tsk tsk...
This episode wasn't very girl bossy:
-The admiral essentially lost/draw against a kindy wimpy Diplomat in a 1 vs 1 brawl. Mud/jello wrestling is also seen as the opposite of girl bossy.
-Alicent didn't look very smart of good.
-Halaena didn't go fly off on a dragon and kick butt like some conquering hero.
-Rhaenyra looked stupid asking to kill Aegon.
-The chick wandering around looking for a dragon was unresolved. I am hoping the dragon eats her. If the dragon takes her as rider, that would be girl bossy. I suspect that will happen but hope otherwise.
@@jasonjanisewski78 "If the dragon takes her as rider, that would be girl bossy" ... sigh... anyone want to tell the bad news to Jason?
They are trying to make them all girl bosses but they’re so incompetent at writing that they accidentally make the girl bosses look inept and weak.
@@SUPREMELEGEND This! I believe they are trying to make them both look good but failing badly. Its driving me crazy.
1:56:55 So are y'all gonna ignore/overlook the fact that this scene PROVES that the showrunners/writers purposefully rewrote (& ruined) Blood/Cheese bc they were "saving it" for Rhaenyra to confront Alicent w/the "impossible mother choice"..
Ep1, we thought they just botched it, they "missed the mark" & then Condal came out to do damage control saying: "We have to abide by Child Acting laws/regulations, we dont have Maelor in our adaptation so we couldn't stay faithful to the source material, etc
But NO, it was rewritten on purpose bc they knew they were having this finale Rhaenyra/Alicent scene & they wanted RHAENYRA to say the "a son for a son" line.
Except it fell flat again. It made less sense here after everything that's gone on. This scene was the one that annoyed me the most in this finale.
AZ was right not to watch, it’s gone full season 8 GOT feminism wet dream.
Garbage we didn't get a single gruesome scene in the entire season.....everything is completely watered down...woman power...trans...no tits.
At least D&D went hard when they were adapting the material they had.
Edit: blood and cheese was extremely watered down. (oh my gosh the SOUNDS were so gruesome! Weak.)
The feminism bullshit is just oozing through this show. Can’t we ever escape their dumb bullshit for an hour to watch an entertaining show true to the book?
@@pwgdeathhawk8146 I hope he won't begin to watch it, because Mauler was more than okay with this season before finale (even though the whole season was pile of trash), and wanted Az to watch it, he still can convince him.
@@riner9Bro you sound like a child, who can't understand the politic side of game of thrones 😂😂
@@kirishimaredriot7264 You sound like a dummy charading as a smart person.
The politics are not that deep in this show.
this was a trash finale
After the season 2 finale, i think im done. Its so obvious they want to turn the show into a woke feminist statement and im tapping out. This is coming from a black man btw. Tired of this garbage.
I’m a left wing progressive and this is the wokest dumbest shit I’ve ever watched 😂
@@AegonTheUnlikely You're a real one
@@lightinferno4490 back at you bro…man we really can’t have anythinggg entertaining anymore just to escape for a few hours from the wild agendas being pushed in our favorite shows. At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if they just axed the book endings cause it would hurt all the feminist fans so bad and made Rhaneyra the invincible second coming of Christ who saves humanity 😂
@@AegonTheUnlikely lol I wouldn't be surprised at all either. I think there's about a 60% chance of that happening tbh.
Agree.
Season 7. And that's not a compliment either
Coincidentally, I recently saw Gary's review of S7E01 of GoT from back in the day and it was surprisingly positive.
Season 7 isn’t even that bad.
Never rated Ryan but after this I have zero respect for his opinion . Guy clings to this nonsense show
He’s a complete donut. One of those mouth breathers that will watch something and like it bc it’s on the tv
Everything else is shitty right now. It's natural for him and for Gary and Mauler to cling on to the one good thing on TV right now.
The dance of the dragons turned into a lesbian fanfic. Who would have thought eh?
Bro don't overreact
Dunno why Ryan thinks it was good. It was objectively bad. Probably the worst finale ever?
Hes also getting defensive, we are 10min in...
He’s a complete fool. S2 was trash, the finale was even worse
People always get unreasonably defensive when they know they were wrong but can't admit it.
Worst finale ever would still be GoT S8 to be fair, but yeah, this one sucked...
@@ackyfacky4332 Maybe not GOT S8, but def. S7 bad level.
@@saelind73 to be fair S7 finale was quite good and the music was bang on, S8 finale on its own was bad but this was like nothing, it felt like nothing. I at least felt confusion and anger when watching S8 finale.
Just stop running defense for HotD. It is garbage, just like the rest of modern Hollywood cringe. HBO tricked people by making one good season only to secure eyeballs. Then they felt free to make what they always wanted to make: lazily-wriiten, slow, woke fan-fiction. Entire Season 2 was awful from the start but people were coping. Now that finale is here, it is hard to deny the obvious and refuse to admit that the show is dead. If you want to stop this from happening in the future, stop coping and hate-watching. Don't give them views or attention.
So true, EFAP crew coverage of this season has been... really odd... When you have fully woke amateurs like Angry Joe give better more objective reviews of this show, you just know something is fishy...
@@John21WoW They seem to be in denial. EFAP probably wanted HotD to be a breath of fresh air compared to the rest of modern media. They wanted it to redeem GoT. So they wanted Season 2 to be good and treated it less harshly, hoping and coping that it would get better. But Season 2 is so bad it is clear they (and many other fans of Season 1) were wrong. HotD is a "failed savior".
Az must be feeling pretty vindicated right now
I will never forget how condescending MauLer was during a The Real BBC stream when he and Gary tried to persuade Az to watch HotD in a very aggressive way, even after Az has said that he didn't want to experience the pain after GoT S8 again. When the chat told MauLer and Gary to leave Az alone, MauLer responded with (paraphrased): "I don't understand why the chat is mad at us for wanting Az to have a good time." Look who's in pain now.
@@zhengyingli Which episode was it, i dont recall that
@@zhengyingli They're still gaslighting themselves into thinking that a few well-acted scenes and dragon effects make up for the abhorrent distortion of the source material by untalented activists.
@@spicysausage8805 They have become what they swore to destroy: Woke Activists. Think about it. They weekly criticize disney because their writers hate the source material and thus ruin it. Here, Gary and Ryan hate the source material, so they cheer when it is destroyed. Hypocrites in the plainest sense.
@@sgnox7781 It's the episode called "Doctor Who Ends as a Joke, Mark Millar Destroys Cancel Pigs." Start at 1 Hour 8 Minutes and 49 Seconds. MauLer's condescending comments starts at 1 Hour 16 Minutes 02 Seconds. You'll see how aggressively Gary and MauLer pushed Az.
I’m sorry this season was a let down especially as someone who read the material before the show. The finale was a mid season finale.
I don’t understand how there aren’t more complaints from this group. Especially from Ryan and Gary.
If it's not Marvel or Star wars, I don't think Gary and Ryan have the bandwidth to criticise it unfortunately.
Our only hope for some semblance of quality critiques on this show was mauler and even he fell short.
Because compared to the 💩 we've been getting this is leagues better. They do criticize certain aspects but obviously not the whole show.
@@dankato6380but Mauler praised this and craps on Deadpool 3 for not having a good story
I disagree, the first half of s2 was great, with a lot of great stuff in the later half too, just a bit too slow. This last episode was really the only one that was bad
@@Kiryu_Kazuma01 I thought that was weird though
I went into this show like a woman with a high bodycount, unable to get attached no matter how good it is but also able to let go easily if things turn south, like this season of HotD. It's better than Ryan acting like HotD popped his cherry.
I really hate the resolution of Daemon's arc. The scenes themselves were good but the end result - Daemon decides to give up on something that he wanted his entire life because a spooky ghost showed him some magical visions is insanely unsatisfying to me.
It arguably made logical sense. But it's so unsatisfying to see him cave without ever expressing his conflict in giving that up.
Hotd season 2 synopsis:
skip it, nothing happened.
fam, nothing happened in 80% of any season of GOT wtf are you on about?
@@jaxzor have you even watched game of thrones "fam"?
Season 1 - Ned betrayal and death.
Season 2 - Tyrian becomes hand and battle of the blackwater.
Season 3 - the red wedding, generally Twyin stealing every scene.
Season 4 - Tyrian trial and trial by combat. Battle of castle black, assassination of Jon Snow.
Season 5 - Heartholm beyond the wall.
Season 6 - battle of the bastards and Danny leaves Essos.
Season 7 & 8 - I'm not defending that muck.
See what I mean yet?
@@bogstandardash3751 yep, you described the 20% of interesting shit happening in every season of GOT, the rest 80% is just fillers.
again, GOT had 4000 pages of well written material and dialogues.
HOTD has roughly 250 pages of badly written material with limited dialogue.
@@jaxzor I just think you are not giving due credit to all the episodes that were carried by the fantastic dialogue of Tywin, Tyrian,Varis, Little finger and Jamie Lannister.
So many episodes were just them being interesting. There is no comparison in hotd season 2.
@@bogstandardash3751 not at all, first 5 seasons were interesting because at the action between the Starks/ Lannisters and King's Landing (the 20% of interesting part), if you read ASOIAF you`ll find out 90% of the dialogue lines from the book are in the show... in Fire and Blood there is little to no dialogue...
Jaime, Tyrion, Tywin, Bronn, the Hound side stories are more interesting than
Danaerys, John (until he got stabbed), Arya, Brann, Theon sidestories.
Remember, these guys were all team HOTD up until 2 seconds ago -- going as far as to mock anyone who criticized the pacing -- only to now say "man, not enough happened this season". As if they expect us to just forget everything they said.
Hypocrites imo, this show has always been sh1t. The main characters suffer from emotionless face expression which plagued the acolyte.
They're hardly hypocrites. I was much the same, because everyone expected this season to wrap up with a battle or a conflict that paid off everything it set up. It was structured that way. Who knew the writers were so inept in last minute course correction when given the order to cut the season to 8 episodes?
I defended the pacing too, because i thought they were building up to a pay off this season, only to sit through that shitstorm of a "finale".
You know people aren't either goody two shoes or outright shills, right? Most people are various shades of many many things in between those two extremes.
Maybe don't get your panties all bunched up everytime a YT commenter changes their mind? It's rather character revealing
Enthusiasm. We all wanted the show to be good and many of us have rose tinted glasses on, in hope of 'Game of Thrones' to be back. However, episode 9 of season 1 was already the biggest red flag and very telling when it comes to the future of this show.
Worst episode of the series. Completely pointless, what a waste of time. Nothing happened and we went over what we already knew. Rhaenyra didn't need Alicent to tell her that Kings Landing will vulnerable after Aemond and Vhagar attacks Harrenhal. Well no shit Holmes. More friggan set up. The battle of the Gullet should have taken place and then left on a cliffhanger. i.e. Viserys and Aegon the younger. I agree to leave the Battle Above the Gods Eye for next season. And when is Jace going to start showing his command status. So dissapointed in this ep.
well, i would say that the last scene, with the showing of the different armies and the music was quite something.
If they did God's Eye this season, nobody would watch Season 3. No point in doing it.
@@frankcarlosanaliza There's two battles around the God's Eye.
@@bretonneux3389 Agreed, lots to look forward to
@@frankcarlosanaliza Agree, but I was taking about the Gullet. Yes, definitely leave the Gods Eye for season 3. Plus there is so much more.
Ya'll have low standards. They claim the show is competent, but that’s not the case. HBO killed their own show this season. It's sad. I wouldn't be surprised if the ratings drop significantly.
The show is competent in a lot of ways, this season has just greatly dampened it. The first season utilized visual storytelling and symbolism in multiple very clever and smart ways, primarily with Viserys. This one has too, but it's far fewer between.
The artistry just seems drained this season, idk what happened to the writing team
@@Gannohsarah hess happened
And people called me crazy that I said this show is going downhill fast ^^
Yo, fr how they gonna raceswap the man who walked out on his kids lmao that is top shelf right there corliss went out for some newports
Yeah then they took out the one ACTUAL black character and gave her storyline to a blackfaced white character. LOL
Daemon's arc was such a let down. We had the visions that were retrospective or showing his thoughts and fears. It would be great for him to change based on the his own self-reflections, but nah, show him the future... and on top of that it reminds us all of how shit the night walkers were. You can't scare us with the long night when we know it's more like a swift evening and ends with the big bad being killed by a girl anime yell jumping on him and let's not forget, she had to ask, what the white walkers are, two days before that. (which she would have known the same way as all the other Stark kids knew)
The show can not get out of its own way with the agenda it is trying to push. From casting, to continual castle infiltrations and secret meetings with girl bosses it is really very stupid. The acting and cinematography are amazing but the writing lets them down. 8 episodes are stupid. The agenda pushing is stupid, and leaving out black or brown characters can not be stood for!
They left Nettles out because they consider her character "problematic". They preferred to "blackwash" house Velaryon and random Westerosi in places that the Summer islanders wouldn't be in, than to present one of the few canonical black characters that were written by George and were important to the story. A toxic combination of identity politics, tokenization and intersectional feminism.
@@rpgadventurer32 Well said
I'm disgusted by the false copyright claim by some "box office" company that claimed this was showing their content. It was on this video before noon today
We lost the chat thanks to it
I love how Ryan’s only defense is whining
That sounds like a you problem
This episode is why I completely forgot House of Dragon existed until Season 2 premiered. The writers always make you go "meh" when it ends and another "meh" when you find out its cancelled.
Season 1 ended way stronger than this, Episode 10 was really strong.
@@trajanthegreat2928 nah
@@MrConredsX Bad take. There's valid critism for season 2 but Ep 10 of last season was a banger
That whole end sequence at Storms End was great. Tense as hell the first time. @@MrConredsX
@@donmongoose What banger? I remember some literal who kid got eaten by dragon and some old lady crashing a coronation. There was no impact in those scenes. You probably just reacted to jingling keys in the form of CGI dragons and thats all you remember as "banger"
House of the Dragon is GoT for girls. I'm not surprised Ryan took a break from Cavill's nuts to fall in love with this show. If you're a fan, I've got a bunch of Telenovella's for you to watch.
Ryan defended this like he did Barbie. He's not the based guy he wants people to think he is.
@NUTnCASE none of these guys are based lmao your all weirdos who can only scream about woke shit because you people don't actually like media, you just enjoy being able to show how "based" and "red pilled" you are to other incest on the internet. Please go outside this whole comment section sounds pathetic(no surprise with this channel)
I like how Ryan mentions this season ends on all things converging on something big happening, with no pay off. All I can think of is that was exactly my thought after reading the last Ice & Fire book
Ryan coping as hard as any Rey-Lo
He is a moron. Every deviation from the books this show does is for the worse.
_“I’m a dude who became a dudette who’s playing a dudette that was supposed to be a dude!”_
-*Sharako Lohar*
Another Tropic Thunder fan, cheers!
It's literally still a guy. 😂 He's a crossdressing man in the books bro
My interest in season three was already on the brink, now it’s down the sink. Costumes. Acting. Music. I’ll praise naught but those.
Right, this season has been mostly disappointing with like 3-4 scenes that were actually good (excluded dragon related stuff)
Pretty nice dragon CGI too, but yeah other than that the whole season was a bunch of shit.
It’s ok, they make rings of power for people like you 😊
@@lustrazor44 Do they give me the ability to raise your iq?
@@lustrazor44 are you even old enough to be here unsupervised?! You have bad parents, kid! I'm calling the peta
As much as I always appreciate your criticisms and praise, I think that you all miss the mark in the judging of the season. It is a weak season no matter how you all seem to praise it compared to the last season. You acknowledge that at the end of the last episode, it was like “Omg shit is about to happen” and then it didn’t and I think that’s the reason why I felt so deflated at the start of the season and was constantly poking holes at it because… those holes are there. It’s not a 2/10, it’s not dogshit but it’s a 6/10 or even a 7/10 and as I said i can’t figure why you were all like “this is the bad episode of the season” when arguably it’s a bad season
House of the Dragon Season 2: full of woke, feminist, intersectional trash.
Gary and co.: “Pretty damn good season!”
They're fake cultural warriors. They 100% got paid to give this show positive reviews.
@@BobBill-g1qi don't believe that, but it does look that way, especially Ryan, blind praise with almost no criticism, just like shills do it with Marvel and Disney SW, sad, very sad, my respect for them went down with this show.
This season was: House of the blue balls. Maybe something happens next season?
Have to be excited in the first place to get blue balls.
Thats pretty much sums it up perfectly. Ep 4 was perfect but before and after that was nothing but an edge fest. “Will there be action? Any action? Oooop no action?? How about nudity? Any sex (straight sex)??? Any fighting???? No fighting??” Waaaaaaay too much set up, every episode was a set up for the build up of the next ep
both episodes written by Geeta Vasant Patel are about two women secretly meeting to prevent war as if only men are responsible for war (that is the message) whereas the war in question was literally caused by these same two women
they are feigning innocence or seeking forgiveness as if the consequences of their actions aren't actually their fault
it is painfully obvious that this writer is delusional and unqualified, her worldview is that of a confused child thinking they just realized what is going on, the vibe of this episode is that of the viral video with some NA soccer mom speaking directly to Putin as if her giving him a mothers hug would create peace around the globe
legendary bait and switch episode, I would be careful of Season 3...
Ryan is doing his best to hold on. "Where are you going so full of hope? There is no hope."
He's sounding like the delusional fangays that he makes fun of all the time. Dude is mainlining copium.
@RAZGR1Z
Exactly. He has become the thing he claims to hate. Like those Star Wars fans, who argue that The Acolyte is good. HOTDS2 had great production values, mainly good acting, great CGI, a few could set-pieces and some good character interaction, but ultimately, it was badly written, had terrible pacing, and was full of too many ‘oh come on, you have to be joking’ scenes, to be anything other than a massive let down. S8 bad imo.
@@edelmantoamendola The entire panel, but especially Ryan, are in denial that the show is exactly the same trash like what they usually criticize. It makes sense that they wanted HotD to be an exception in a sea of garbage shows, and they wanted Season 2 to follow up on good quality of Season 1. But that just did not happen. Season 2 is legitimately awful. They should get off copium inhaler and admit that HBO ruined this IP for the second time.
@@tentonmotto6779S1 was like a 6.5/10, not even close to Got s1-4, but not bad. S2 of HOTD has been an absolute slow slog and a steaming pile of sht. The writing, tension, and characters range from snooze fest to straight up sht
@@ibrahimtall6209 I agree with you about Season 1 too. Decent enough, if you compare it with the garbage that is on TV rn. But no way near GOT S1-S4 either. Although, I think GOT S2 wasn't good either, mainly because of Dany's storyline, but at least it ended strongly.