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Patiently waiting for a giga cast Starship..
Ohhhhh, yes!
The closest thing to this idea is Relativity Space with Tim Ellis. I agree with the odds but casting a Starship would be insane pressures making it, I would assume, "nearly" impossible.
Doing it in Zero Gravity would be Epic Making!
That's gonna be a while😂
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Pretty amazing technology when science and engineering are allowed to be combined outside of the box.
what an absolute stupid comment! wtf does it even mean?
True sir
The key is to make the direction of the flow - the path of least resistance in die casting - coincide with adding structural reinforcement along the load path. Expressed differently, those "river flow delta" structures we see will ideally serve a dual purpose of both A) making die casting easier by not eating away at the tonnage budget of the giga press, but also B) serving as structural reinforcement along the load path of the vehicle when in operation. For example, the load points of the suspension is clearly a critical load bearing component on a car, and ideally you harness the load bearing qualities of these delta structures in addition to their original purpose of making the casting process more efficient.
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What a great one! Thanks! 👍
Very interesting findings. Thanks for the video
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@ 11:57 It's pretty clear to me that the one on the right is the actual cast and the one on the left is the conventional method... smartypants🤨
Not quite true sir
@@the-tesla_squad The Left is literally stamped sheet metal. It's a comparison of the same part showing the old vs new method. You said they “look thinner and look flimsy,” because it's stamped sheet metal.
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There are so many questions about the injection molding process here that I doubt could ever make it into the public eye in the next decade.
How was the canal structure determined? Was is mathematical modeling, genetic simulations, trial and error, or just “that looks right” by the designers?
What metals do they use for the molds and injection syringe and plunger that withstands the 2000C needed for molten aluminum, and what temperature do they keep that metal at to ensure the aluminum both cools, but does not cook before if flows where it needs to?
How does the internal hollow area of a complete cast plan on being achieved? You have to cover all sides, and when some of the sides are internal, and inherently larger than the piece itself, is it just a bunch or interlocking and moving pieces to the mold, making the casting process extremely complex?
To answer some of your questions:
Canal structure definition - I bet they ran a lot of simulations to achieve that design, but the prototypes probably came from designers first. Tesla uses MAGMASOFT as their casting simulation tool.
Molten aluminum is injected at 650C to 750C (it melts at ~600C), not 2000C. Therefore, the mold is usually tool steel and the plunger is usually CuCoBe.
I could not really understand your last question, sorry. Hope I helped you already :)
Super helpful! Thank you!
Regarding my last question, my understanding of casting interiors is fairly limited, and my understanding is that molds are inherently larger than the pieces themselves, so it seems to me that some kind of strange geometry or assembly pattern would have to be done in order to cast an entire vehicle in one go.
Like to cast a cage as a single piece, how do you get the mold blocks past the bars once it is cast? The mold needs to encompass the bars for casting at some point, but then the mold needs to removed from the part. Does said cage need to just have much wider spaces between the bars, or can you have thinner molds? I imagine it just becomes super complicated the more parts you intend to cast at once.
I hope that clarifies my question.
Is there a video in your archives which gives examples of energy conservation and alternative energy production and utilization in Tesla Factories?
If you cast the entire frame, how do you make accident repairs? Does the car just become disposable with any minor frame damage?
Disposable just like all Musks other projects.
You do not hit once and it’s garbage
I imagine what you would consider minor frame damage to a full body car, would be a total wreck to a fully modular crumple car.
Yes it does
I didn't even think about that until the last clip but unlike a gas car you can safely drive an electric vehicle over dry grass fields without having to worry about starting a wildfire. It would just need to be a cybertruck because all the other models don't have enough ground clearance to drive offroad on anything but the carefully selected field in the clip.
Just don't drive in salt water
@@dikkybee4003 Actually an electric car would probably do better there as well. But either type of car would need to be completely stripped down and cleaned to prevent very rapid corrosion.
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This isn't new thinking, this is well-understood dynamics of injection molding simply scaled up for molten metal.
Yeah I agree, this isn't new thinking at all, but Tesla does have the advantage of having both departments inhouse and working together. They also have a team of material sciences working on the specific alloy used for these castings, that same team is also working for spaceX
Great presentation but that is not Lars Moravay in that picture you've choosen, it is VP of Sales in North America Troy Jones 😅
Tesla also knows metals working with different materials for space for Space X. I believe the metal mixture is proprietary for Tesla
How far is Tesla with aluminum repairs on Giga castings?
Last time I checked it’s made out of magnesium not aluminum
The next cool thing would be to yse gigacasting for stainless steel side panels. But tgat requires even more power, because stainless steel is much heavier than aluminium and the melting point is much higher.
Dumb idea. It's rolling steel into sheets that gives it good properties like high tensile strength, along with suitable heat treatment. Cast steel would have totally different properties even if the chemical composition is the same.
They are not improving processes to keep ahead of the competition. They are improving processes to improve processes.
Does this also means that repairs become impossible or very expensive? One minor accident and your car is totaled? Which would mean your cheap car isn't that cheap in the long run?
Ftw 80k car is cheap with today's electricity prices
@@dragm2123 Too expensive now. But if true, Model 2 will cost 25K....
to be competition you'd have to compete in a meaningful way...
Tesla is breaking so many automotive manufacturing boundaries that is crucial to the future of automaking. Talk about a paradign shift coming from only a signle point in the industry. Creative thinking at its best.
What happens if such a large piece of casting cracks during an accident? Won't this require replacement of the whole piece making it extremely expensive and most likely an insurance write-off, which will just increase the insurance prices of Teslas even more?
So I hear two sides on this engima from so called experts. On one hand you have...
You have people saying your car will basically be totalled. From minor accidents. It is a terrible ides. That it can't be fixed, no crumple zones means it is a death sentence, etc etc.
On the other hand. You have people saying if the damage was enough to crack or severely bend the exoskeleton to where it can't be fixed. Your car would have been totaled anyway. It is that much stronger.
Personally I'm going to wait to see once someone, eventually, does something stupid in the Cybertruck. With how fast that beast goes at around 7,000 pounds? It won't be long I think.
Companies don't care about repair. They'll be going the gigapress route either way, to save money, unless they make that as a selling point.
I don't have enough faith in the consumer for them to choose with their pocket. They'll take the cheaper car every time on average.
So like it or not here it comes!
That was one of my concerns. How do you repair a damaged casting that is a structural element of the vehicle? Maybe they have already thought about it and have repairable sections?
Interesting. I remember watching a story about the Dukes of Hazard that spoke about how many general Lee cars they went through. I believe it was about two per episode. @@andrestovall7161
@@andrestovall7161If the strong and stiff structure of a Cybertruck is totaled in a severe accident, then the same accident would also total every other production vehicle.
For minor accidents, the stainless steel panels can be replaced. It's steel. It can be cut, welded or replaced.
This is cool and all, but there is one major issue being overlooked which is ironic considering electric vehicle’s selling point is saving the planet. What happens during accidents? In a regular car, you can replace the damaged parts, obviously up to a point. Having a single pressed frame will increase waste since there’s going to be a lot of cases where people will have to write off the car as totaled where if the same damage occurred in traditional cars, it wold be salvageable. I hope they don’t go overboard with this method and really consider salvageability.
Absolutely my thoughts
Can they cast the entire Chassis yet ???
I disagree that engineers would use 90deg turns. They know that causes the liquid or gas inside to lose a lot of heat, and they know they need to get that molten metal out asap. So no, I don't think well trained engineers are as 'silly' as you say.
Any new cybertruck Giga Press footage?
very interesting
No the answer is most definitely in a textbook lmao. It's all still just math and engineering. The fact that people have presuppositions that are wrong doesnt negate everything you ever learned about design.
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Elon Musk has put the other car makers at least five years behind, and the auto unions will figure out a way to make it take 10 years to catch up.
Oh come on now. The physics behind river deltas and metal casting are total different. The fact that there is a slight ( and not even good ) resemblance has noting to do with the physics matching.
Even the robots have to fear for their job because of technology 😂😂
Lol
I wonder if Elon, has considered using the Cyberteuck’s metal skin to build the Starship since it’s much stronger and lighter. 🤓
That metal is from the starship originally, Tesla adopted it.
@@ScottWhalen81 …..Thanks for the info. 👍
How is the stainless used lighter than any other stainless? It isn't a special batch, you can buy it off the shelf.
@@dikkybee4003 no u can't buy this stainless steel of the shelf. This stainless steel is custom from SpaceX that Tesla adopted. As for being lighter, I'm not sure.
@@ScottWhalen81 That same team working on the SpaceX steel alloy for starship is also the team that is designing the alloy for the giga castings if I remember correctly.
Cheaper to make, harder to repair. Insurance goes through the roof and disposable write off after minor collisions isn't exactly Eco now is it??
...and at relatively low run rates, like the initial first year for CT, it might be quite expensive too.
Lots of reports of these castings cracking and Tesla saying “within spec” because the replacement cost totals the vehicle.
Yr making lots of assumptions.
@@feetup-jf7kq already happening. In fact Musk him self has commented on the need to make Tesla's easier to repair.
And insurance in many Countries going through the roof for them
Everyone always talks about Elon being a man with a dream but nobody ever talks about Idra. I’m sure people told the person who dreamed up that company that they were on a fool’s errand.
UAW labor hates the gigapress.
If i was in the auto industry id be doing aBEV related course.
And when Giga Press 2?
Hard to fix
It's not
@@the-tesla_squad stop deleting comments
Have worked in the die casting industry for almost 30 years and if the fails are above 20% you have problems, Gigacasts are running around the 50%. Bigger dies mean more cost is manufacture and dies only last so long.
Oh
Apparently the cyber truck design team was on sabbatical during the design phase of the project.
All these pressed parts make repair of the vehicles impossible.
AI definitely designed these moulds
the fact that apple stamps their laptops makes them CHEAPER not better
Is Musk preparing to build a whole automatically factory one the Mars 🤣
but where is the exoskeleton of the cybertrucj. why not adress that
When it comes to these manufacturing updates designed to lower the cost of an EV, couldn't an ICE vehicle also adopt these practices to try and lower THEIR costs? Not that legacy automakers have the balls to change that fundamentally....
Its so amazing that all of these manufactures use the same raw materials from the steel and plastic to the glass and rubber yet Tesla manages to make the most god awful quality and inconsistent vehicles
Is Tesla still making giga castings that crack with normal use and then denying the warranty claims stating that large cracks are “within spec?”
Will Tesla ever be able to build a vehicle with one solid giga casting?
doubt it
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The only way I personally would see this happening is if they inject from multiple locations at once with a vacuum/suction at multiple exit points.
Either that or filling from multiple locations from top down.
Cheaper to make, harder to repair. Insurance goes through the roof and disposable write off after minor collisions isn't exactly Eco now is it??
@@ScottWhalen81I expect Tesla is employing a partial vacuum in the mold. It's quite common in other casting processes, so I'd be surprised if they weren't using it. With such rapid filling, gravity wouldn't have much, if any, influence. In sand casting, we often use multiple filling points called gates, connected to the mold cavity via a runner system. If you're interested in casting, it's definitely doable at the hobby level for moderate costs, and it's a ton of fun! Just a heads-up, though: home greensand and/or lost foam casting can be a gateway drug to home machining, and that's as much a money pit as it is rewarding.
Why didn’t Tesla just keep the giga press a secret so they can maintain their lead over other manufactures I don’t want know why they have to be so open about all their technology
They want progress, and they will not catch up, they will not even wake up!
This is no new technology! We had the same processes to do the old-time Sand casting of valves etc…. This is what happens as society grows with technology and tries to forget old-time processes. You end up trying to find those who possess actual needed knowledge. You best not count on the educational system either 😉🙈😂😂😂
I finally saw one of those cyber trucks driving around and they are hideous looking from the outside. It’s like the person who designed the Pontiac Aztek had a heavy hand in designing this monstrosity. 🤮
Depends on your perspective, to me they look like the future, they are quite admiresble
This “innovation” will be the single largest contributor to disposable transport.
How are you going to repair casted structural sections?
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When Elon was hiring people as he was starting up Tesla, he purposely
selected engineers & managers & such who had NEVER worked for a
car maker before. He did not want anyones past experience to
contaminate the thinking & designing and innovating process at Tesla.
It seems to have worked.
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It amazes me how content creators are stuck with the wrong information. The next generation vehicle will use the un-boxed process. A full body casting process can't be used in the Unboxed Process because the front and rear are assembled separately and then joined in the middle with the battery and occupant (door arches + roof braces) section. Stop pushing this false narrative. A more likely use for the new larger Giga Press is so they can make the entire back casting of the Cybertruck in one action and eliminate having to weld on the wing support separately. It could also be used for the future Tesla Van that will need the same large rear with wings like the Cybertruck. And yes, I did type this comment before watching the entire video.
Builds the car for less money, proceeds to sell it for 100k
That's how life works
Newton: every gain has an equal loss. Tesla gained an efficient and better part, until that part is damaged, leading to total loss….bigger part, bigger failure. How do you insure this GIGANTIC part? You don’t. 3rd law rules: I could not buy my son the new 3 because insurance doubled. 😢
Although the cyber truck is impressive it’s too ugly for me to own, the same with the rivian.
The comparison to macbooks is total bs
Oh I don't know. Over hyped and unrepairable?
Sounds like a Macbook to me
@@stuartburns8657touche
Bingo... I've had my Apple products longer than any other brand but they are definitely NOT flaw free... Had to replace a hard drive after 3 years in one due to manufacturing defects and it still cost me $200 out of pocket despite being under "recall".... SMH...@@stuartburns8657
I don't think these horrible titles do anything to help you guys, but at least I know you'll have good info in every video you put out. Now that's a backhanded compliment for you. Seriously though, the titles are killing me.
Having been an engineer, I can say that the answers have always been in engineering books. Historically, machines have been able to make straight lines much easier than curved lines. Thus the usual casting rib design.
You might notice that rivers are continually searching for a solution. One affected by the volume of water and the hardness and stability of the ground.
Build car for less money really u not talking about Tesla 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
First
Is your boyfriend impressed? Nobody else cares.
Out the gate, “enabled radical new vehicle designs”. Shows easily the shittiest vehicle designed in the past decade.
If only their cars were reliable and finished to decent quality.
They are now and continue to improve. Look at the reliability and customer satisfaction data. Remember they have only been making cars at scale for less than a decade.
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I’ve been building 70 ton magnesium dies for 13 years yawn yawn yawn
You are mixing stuff up too much. Video features thrixomoulding of magnesium alloy. Delta is to do with sediment, gravity, sandbars, floods, vegetation.
How do you know what others have or have not realized? Your assumptions are a wide range of emotionally based opinion and very little fact.
Ugliest vehicle ever made plus will not past most countries safety rules
What an absolutely idiotic so called truck.
Just awful…
Intro dubious, bad assumptions, lots of old news, bad speculation.
Bad video
Giga press or not, the cybertruck is simply ugly.
I wish we could see how many thumbs down this gets. I saw one at a supercharger on the first and everyone was standing around it talking about how cool it is. It's a great truck! Just admit it lol
Go whine to your boyfriend.
I found this explanation of why some people like the CT and others think it is ugly. It even explains why some initially hate it and come to like it.
On a base level, the brain is pleased by familiar shapes and objects. They're more easily recognized, requiring less mental effort. This preference for the familiar stems from an evolutionary need for cognitive efficiency, a sense of safety, and an aesthetic appreciation for order and symmetry.
However, higher-level thought processes allow us to move beyond this comfort with the known. Curiosity drives us to explore novel stimuli and environments, actively seeking out new information and experiences, even if they're initially unfamiliar. This exploration fuels learning, growth, and adaptation to changing circumstances.
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Chinese cars are better and more cheap…