Winchester 1892 and 45 Colt - A Winning Combo
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- Winchester 1892 and 45 Colt are a winning combination. Load it down for plinking. Load it up for serious work like hunting.
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If you had been a cowboy, you would not have had a Model 1892 chambered in .45 Colt. 😉 Or 300 gr. Hornady XTP bullets!
The reason was that the original .45 Colt cartridge had a very small rim and no extractor groove. There wasn't enough rim for the lever gun extractor to grab, (not a problem in the rod ejecting Colt revolver) add in the fouling of black powder, still in common use in the 1890s, and it simply was not a reliable combination. Neither was it chambered in the earlier Model 1873. Even Colt didn't chamber it in their "Lighting" slide action rifle. Remington avoided it in their Model 14-1/2 slide action.
The slightly bottlenecked .44-40 also offered better feeding in the lever and slide action guns, particularly in a fouled chamber. Again, something that is not an issue in Colt Single Action revolvers.
Some changes were made to the .45 Colt over the years. For a short time the US Military used the large Colt "New Service" revolver as a substitute standard and they used a special loading designated ".45 Model of 1909" which had a slightly larger rim to work with the Colt's star extractor, but these rounds would not fit in a Colt Single action as the rims were too large to be loaded in adjacent chambers. These loads were generally not offered commercially. After WW2, the bullet diameter was reduced from the original .454" to .452", to standardize the .45 bore diameter and the base size of the case was reduced .002" which resulted in a larger "rim". The brass case head was reinforced and the current .45 Colt cases have less internal capacity than old black powder cases (originally copper and inside primed) so an extractor groove could be cut. These changes made the .45 Colt a viable cartridge in repeating firearms like the Winchester rifles and copies of the Colt Lighting, now also made in .45 Colt.
This is great for lever guns and also revolvers with star extraction, like the S&W Model 25. Smokeless powder took care of the fouling problems (in the 1890s, many people weren't sure smokeless powder was here to stay) and now you can enjoy that rifle and that cartridge. .
The Model 1892 itself is a great design and fun rifle to shoot. I think it is the easiest and fastest of the Winchesters to operate. I am with you on not trying to make the .45 Colt into a .44 Magnum. .44 Magnum is an option in these same rifles, so there is no need to try and make something else into it.
Thanks for covering another really great rifle!
Your's is a great comment filled with all kinds of historical info that I didn't cover in the vid so I have pinned it to the top of the comment column for all to see. Thanks! Btw, even after the changes to the case rim, the modern 45 Colt rim only overhangs about .016" compared to .028" with the 44 Magnum. Thanks Gary!
thanks I did not know all that.
You make good points.
@@christopherjackson3455 It's my understanding that Special meant bout the same thing as magnum, before magnum term came into use.
@@christopherjackson3455 I don't agonize over decisions. I buy them all. Well, to be honest, I do not own any .45 Colt rifles, though I do own two .45 Colt chambered handguns (both of them made by S&W) and several .44 Magnum handguns and a .44 Magnum lever gun. I support your right to choose the .45 Colt in a rifle. My usual explanation for why I choose to buy a gun runs more along the lines of "'Because I want it" I'm just like that.
Elmer Keith's experiments, which led to the .44 Magnum, began with the .45 Colt but after he blew up a revolver in 1945, he decided it would be better to work with the .44 Special since it's smaller diameter gave it increased chamber wall thickness in revolvers.
I never heard the story about Mrs. Colt and the .45 Colt. Interesting.
Why do you suppose the COLT company didn't chamber the .45 Colt in the COLT Lightning slide action rifle? Odd. She held a controlling interest in the Colt Company at the time. The rifle was made in 3 frame sizes for 8 different cartridges, none of them bore the "Colt" name. But it was made in 6 Winchester cartridges. Weird!
The makers of the replica Colt Lightning rifle, made after the changes to the .45 Colt bullet diameter and case dimensions, did chamber the .45 Colt.
Colt also chambered their revolvers (both DA and SA) for .32 WCF and 38 WCF cartridges. Sounds like Mrs. Colt was pretty selfish.
I doubt she prevented Remington from chambering it in the Model 14-1/2. Mrs. Colt sold her interest in Colt in 1901 and died in 1905. The Remington rifle was made from 1912 to 1934. It was chambered in .32, .38 and .44 WCF but not .45 Colt.
I'll stick with the dimensional/mechanical explanation.
A point of confusion may be that in 1884, after the death of both Oliver Winchester and Samuel Colt, when Mrs. Winchester was Treasurer of Winchester, and Mrs. Colt held the controlling interest in Colt's, the Winchester and Colt Companies came to a "gentlemen's" (Ladies?) agreement that Colt would not make LEVER action rifles and Winchester would not make revolvers. This came about after Colt's venture into lever guns with the Colt Burgess lever action in 1883. Winchester quickly followed with a prototype revolver called the "Rivivaler". The revolver, designed by none other than Richard Mason, who had designed some of the patent features of the Colt SAA, and who had left Colt in 1883 to join Winchester. Sounds all incestuous and stuff, doesn't it? The Connecticut river valley was something like Silicon valley (or Peyton Place) in the 1880s.
Colt dropped the rifle in early 1885, allegedly in response to the agreement. The Winchester revolver was never produced commercially.
I never heard of any cartridges being mentioned.
45 Colt is my favorite cartridge. You can load 180 bullets all the way up to 320 grain and any powder charge you want in between. You can make rounds best for pistol and rounds best for a rifle. Plus you can make some kick butt rounds for your rifle.
Liking me some 45 Colt and the versatility of the loadings. You have some interesting recipes for that rifle, George. Wouldn’t mind a reloading session one day down the video road. I’d like to see your loading bench/set-up. Thanks for a great woods walk. Too much fun!
Thanks! Lots of interest in reloading. That will probably show up on Patreon as public videos in the future, but not on TH-cam.
As a long time "Big, Relatively Slow, Bullets Make Bigger Holes Down Range" advocate, I found this video entertaining AND educational!! NOTE: Modern hunters tend to forget, or never bother to learn, that our ancestors fed themselves, their families....And sometimes whole communities.... With "traditional" Black Powder front loaders in calibers STARTING with a "4" on up to a "7" that produced velocities well under any of the "modern" rounds produced since the mid to late 19th century. I can't think of one good reason why a hunter, even now in 21st century, not being able to do the same with a '92 Winchester chambered in .45 Colt's like the one featured in this video as long as the hunter does his or her job at the trigger end of things. Excellent video as usual!
Thanks! Yes, we had become a culture of the "overgunned" as Jack O'Connor said back in the 50's and it's worse today. It's fine to have big, long range boomers, but with some exceptions most people don't really need that kind of meat wasting power for hunting.
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Damn bub. Woke up from the average nightmare and got another lever gun video to distract me mind! Much appreciated.
The "doctor" was in this morning.
Another entertaining video George! You hit the 45 "long colt" info right on the head. 45 Colt is also one of my favorite cowboy cartridges to reload for just due to its versatility. I have also tinkered with hot loads with the 300 gr xtp's and H110. No it wont make my vaqueros as powerful as my model 29, but boy I still hope I'm never on the receiving end ha! As much as I love 45 colt and 44 mag, I think I would have to buy an 1892 in 44-40 just for originality. Maybe with a large loop lever to make Mr. McCain proud lol
When my son and I were talking about him buying an 1892 I tried to steer him in the direction of the 44-40. But he just wasn't interested. But hey, the 45 Colt has been fun! Thanks for the kind words by the way!
Great video of a great rifle. They are very effective and a whole lot of fun.
Amen. Great cartridge!
@Target Suite That is one rifle that I wish I could get my hands on! This video just gave me the fever! Great shooting day you had!
Thanks for watching! It really is a nice rifle cartridge combination!
I have two lever guns in .45 Colt; a Marlin 1894 and Rossi Puma 92. I load down for cowboy shooting similar to your 845FPS loads, and up for hunting. I use a Lee 300gr wide flat point gas check bullet with 2400 powder. Out of the Marlin I'm getting about 1500 FPS. Quite a devastating load! I look forward to your Tuesday videos, George, thanks.
Thanks Roy. I look forward to your comments. My son and I have been talking about casting. But as long as bullets are available I'll pour that time and money into other channel stuff.
Im having a friend help me load up some 255gr SWCs. I will be shooting them out of my Henry. How fast would you have these going to shoot deer? Im not really wanting to get into the Plus P range. Ive found are not as accurate out of my rifle?
I very much enjoy playing around with the 45 Colt - in my Miroku 1873 I run mild loads that the rifle can adequately handle with excellent accuracy at shorter ranges - for some real fun out to moderate distance I have a Uberti 1885 High Wall in 45 Colt sporting a Creedmoor 3" Tang Sight - 23.5gr of Lil Gun behind a 250gr XTP produces 1850f/s - excellent accuracy & a hoot to shoot. Thanks for the review of the 45 Colt.
You are welcome. It was a fun video to make. Sounds like that 1873 is a great plinking rifle with those light loads. But I bet lobbing big pills at long range with the 1885 would even be more fun.
Although the 45colt of today has seen some slight design changes & major improvements, it still rings home with a lot of our "inner cowboys". Its fun & that's all the reason we need to keep it alive. Beautiful rifle, love it! Thanks for sharing 👍 Next you should bust out the single action, a good side by side then take a ride on your horseless stage coach & defend your strong box while poppin some sugar bandits 🤣
Great theme for a vid. Riding the mule (M274 military version) shooting bad "guys" with a 45 and scattergun. Thanks!😉
Nothing like a 45 colt one of my favorite rounds pistols and lever guns great job
Thanks!
45 Colt is my favorite cartridge. Have been loading and shooting them for many years. I've owned an old model 45 Colt Vaquero for a long time. Just last year I bought a stainless Rossi 92 to go with it. I cast with a 250 gr RNFP mold but my bullets weigh about 264 gr. I do a mild load of 9.0 gr of Unique. Accurate and fun to shoot. Haven't chronoed the Ruger but the Rossi with these loads is running around 1165 fps. Plenty for any Alabama critter I may run into.
Thanks for the comment. My son has the old model Vaquero as well. I gave it to him for Christmas last year. I need to get that before the camera.
A lovely gun, and a great caliber. I want one!!!!.
Hi George, I sure enjoyed the history of the 45colt. And you are spot on about 45long colt and being also called just 45colt because of the Schofield could not except the 45long colt in the chamber. The cylinder was shorter in length so the cartridge would stick out and one couldn't close the gun. If I'm right it was called 45 Schofield cartridge. Actually a 45 s&w. Great video! Sugary Sam and the pumpkin patch kid didn't stand a chance!!
Hi Terry. Good to hear from you as always! One article I read said the crates of Military Schofield ammo was marked something like 45 Caliber Pistol. I can't find the article to be sure, but it was this generic labeling that reputedly led to the "Long Colt" designation.
My 1892 is a 25-20, from Grandpa. My 45 colt is a Winchester remake , by Miroku Japan, case hardened /colored receiver.
Both Fun shooters!
Thanks for the Video Target Suite!
Blessings!
Thanks! That's a great pair of rifles you got there!
Great looking rifle. I have the '94 Trapper in .45 Colt. Just a great all-around and compact rifle. Thanks for the vid.
Thanks for watching and thanks for the sub! That Trapper is one fine rifle. Enjoy!
Back in 1981 I bought a M1873, .44-40 Uberti built Winchester carbine and had a local Gunsmith put a Douglas .45 caliber barrel with a one in sixteen inch twist on it chambered in .45 Colt. When I got it back from my Gunsmith in 1982, it was a joy to shoot and was the most accurate of all my rifles. I used that rifle in Cowboy Action Shooting since 1984 until I retired it for a M1866 Winchester in .44-40 for a more historically accurate portrayal. I still use the '73 when I do Wild Bunch matches.
@cannoneer155mm Both sound like great firearms. I know little about CAS. I guess I need to find a local match and check it out firsthand.
My EMF Hartford rifle in .45 Colt looks nearly identical to your Winchester, except for the rear sight (mine is buckhorn style). Probably my favorite gun to shoot, and definitely my wife's favorite. She won't shoot the Ruger/TC 250 gr XTP over H296 handloads I made. I have to admit that a few of those are enough for me. That small steel buttplate will remind you of its presence in a hurry.
Well George you really seem to know how to have fun and make this grown man smile! Thanks for that and for the tip on the Elvex shooting glasses. Now I think I'll take my Model 92 Trapper in .45 Colt for a woods walk. From Bluffton, SC
Hi Daniel. SSP makes some good magnified shooting glasses as well. You may want to try them both and see what works best for you. Fortunately they are fairly cheap. Good luck on your woods walk. That will be fun with the 1892 Trapper
@@TargetSuite I did buy two pair of the Elvex at 1x and 1.5x in most cases the 1x seems to work the best for me. I also added the Marbles Target Circle rear sight and that also helps to sharpen that front sight. Keep those good tips coming! Thanks again.
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This guy is a legend , intelligent , funny and leverguns everywhere
Haha! I've been called a lot of names in my time but never that one. Seriously, thank you.
Love those lever guns! Great video , thanks!
Thanks Jim. I love 'em too!
Another beautiful rifle. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Ken!
Another enjoyable video, glad I found your channel.
I appreciate that! Thanks for watching.
Great job as always!
Thanks Mark!
I love the 45 Colt especially in my Ruger Blackhawk it is plenty powerful and is the equal to my .44mag with hand loads . That is a nice carbine with the right loads it is quite a hammer in a small package. Just a note here my heavy h-110 loads are within safe listed amounts always.
@Flint Richards I always appreciate your comments. Thanks!
I just bought a Winchester model 1892 in 44 magnum, and it shoots like a dream. I absolutely love it. But I wish I had found one with the octagon barrel. It just somehow looks so awesome with the octagon barrel. Henry has just come out with several new models of lever action rifles in pistol calibers, including both a side loading gate, and a tube loading fixture that they always have. So both. And some of the models are available with the octagon barrel. I want one in the worst way but they are so new that I can't find anyone who has them in stock yet.
Hi Carl. I'm glad to have my own Win/Miroku in 44 mag. But I am a little jealous of my son's octagonal barrel, because like you said, it looks awesome.
I really enjoy your videos, thank you !
Thanks for watching!
Another Marble Bullseye sight! Getting mine on my Rossi 92 tomorrow. Can't wait to try it out!
I hope it works as well for you as it has for me and my son.
I used that same bullet in a BP 50 cal Sabot , in all the deer I have ever seen taken , @1600 FPS +/- it did more damage than any other bullet / round I have ever seen . A class by it's self !! On a heart , shot side to side .
Awesome!
Good video, thank you! Just subscribed. Love the model 92, and I have one myself. First year of production, in 38WCF.
Been looking for a carbine to use in Cowboy Action Shooting, and finally found something appropriate in a Marlin 1894 in 45 Colt.
I cannot abide that nasty tang safety in the Winchester revisit, sorry!! It strikes me as Just Wrong. Stay well in these strange days!!
Thanks Karl! I appreciate the comment and the sub!
Good morning George i just bought a Winchester 94 in 3030 being shipped now to my ffl dealer. I wanted one that i already have ammo currently plus really popular . I don't know the year of it i know there's no cross bolt safety on it. Always have been a dream to own one , now it's reality. You have a great day and stay safe.
@Mike Meadows Congrats! I dreamed about that rifle for my entire childhood. And I bought dies just in case one ever comes my way ;-)
Great Job!! I am also a fan of the .45 Colt. I have a it in a Ruger Super Blackhawk and a Marlin 1894. Both great guns. The Blackhawk is a real tack driver and I can safely load it up to .44 magnum pressures (or down to comfortable plinker loads like yours). A very versatile cartridge!
@Tony Rome Thanks! We need a 45 handgun in the family as well.
@@TargetSuite Recently added the Interarms Virginian Dragoon in 45 Colt. Searching now for the 44 Magnum version.
@@TargetSuite Have you used the 45 colt to shoot deer?
Another beautiful lever action. I am a fan of the .44 and .45 calibers whether handgun or lever action.
Amen! I am a fan as well, but you've seen enough of my videos to know that ;-)
I don't know offhand, but it's not measurably heavier than my 44 Magnum.
Nice combination . 45 LC. is a effective round in rifle or pistol . Awesome bush gun .
Yep. I'd use it almost anywhere the 44 Magnum goes.
Another great one, George. Am I the only guy who rolls his eyes when someone says “Long Colt”? I’ve always been interested in the round and what it can do out of rifle-length barrels. Thanks for walking us through this one. I feel better for you now that your woods are gangster-free.
Haha! I think calling it 45 Long Colt is up there with calling a magazine a "clip" ;-)
Why would it bother anybody on such a mundane issue! For ease of distinction in my family, we shot .45 acp and the "long colt" . It's what we called it clear back as a kid. Lifes too short for worry of such a unharmful issue! But we instantly knew what each other were referring too.
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You misread my comment. There’s no worry. I roll my eyes at such terms. We get to at least roll our eyes in America. For now
😎😎😎 Smile and wear sunglasses. Then they never know what your eyes are doing.
@@OGsDangerShow my apologies for my misunderstanding! I'm happy to be wrong. Thanks for the explanation and taking time to do so!
Morning George another nice video and walk in the woods. A reloading video would be nice.
Hi Robert. Thanks! I'm getting more and more requests for reloading stuff. But like I have told the others, TH-cam has a policy against content that teaches how to manufacture ammunition (reloading). So, I may start uploading to another platform, probably Patreon (public). I know there are a lot of channels that are built around it, but I am just not comfortable "violating" that stated policy.
Nice looking gun, 92 Winchester is one of my favorite lever action rifles Plus I really like the 45 colt
I could tell you wanted that '92 in your top five. I can't remember . . . did it make it?
Love my Henry 45 colt, I have a few boxes of Buffalo Bore 260gr for people that think I should have gone with the 44 magnum.
Just so you know, that round comes out of that 20 inch barrel at about 1900+ fps, that makes this Henry 45 colt more deadly within 100 yards than a 30-30.
Yep, that's a pretty potent load!
Nice. I just recently learned there used to be a Rossi R92 in .454 but it has been discontinued. As the owner of a Freedom Arms .454 I think I missed the boat. At present, my only Winchester 1892 is in 38-40 and more than a century old.
Yep and that 454 is sought after these days and hard to find. But you have the real deal with that 38-40!
Needing glasses or not, you're a great shot either way!! That rifle fits you like a glove! So fun to shoot, your son may not get it back as quickly as he might want it..
Haha! He stores it in my safe😉
Hi George, thanks for another fine lustration on a fine rifle. I also have the same rifle as your son has. One small obstacle I ran into early on was 260 grain Keith cast bullets would not feed. I can see the action is just a little short for much of anything over the col of 1.600. Fortunately the hdy 250 has a col of just about right at 1.600. I was wondering since you and your son both load your own like I do have run into the same problem with longer bullets. Lol I too like 296/h110 for the heavier loads! Good work sir I appreciate what you’re doing !!
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Hi Gary. The 265 grain Montana bullet works bullets work just fine in the 45 Colt 1892. But I have to seat heavier bullets deep in order for them to fit in the chamber of my 44 mag 1892. I've considered getting the throat cut deeper on my 44 magnum so I can load the heavier bullets but just haven't pulled the trigger on that yet
Beautiful gun
Thanks Paul. My son will be giving this beauty lots of attention in the weeks to come.
Lol When your first word was Well and I was looking at the muzzle my mind instantly went to " well do you feel lucky punk" hahaha. I got a good laugh out of that. Now I will watch the video and comment I just had to stop and write that real quick while I was thinking about it.
Haha! I have quoted Harry Callahan a couple of times on the channel. Just not right there😄
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That is a beautiful rifle!
It is Frank. And I'm a little jealous of that octagonal barrel. My son got luck on that one.
Another vote for a reloading session video ! I hope my vote is counted this time.
Haha! I counted your vote last time. I know there is a lot of reloading content out there but TH-cam has a published policy against "manufacturing ammunition". So, I am planning to post some sessions on a different platform.
@@TargetSuite I suppose I should read up on the TH-cam policy’s more thoroughly. I may be a serial offender. Of course I’m not manufacturing I’m uh…recycling, yah recycling! That’s it!!
Maybe if you can produce a death certificate, then your vote could be counted......it worked for the Demonctrats!
glad you got my joke! I actually changed parties so I could vote in the democratic primary, now I can get my liberal friends worked up by truthfully telling them I voted against Biden twice!!
That’s a hell of a .45LC, beautiful rifle also.
Be interesting to see bullet performance of the 300 grain XTP at those speeds through water jugs and wet paper (which are as good as or slightly faster than 454 casull from a pistol)! They must be made for 454casull or 460S&W mag in mind, so likley thick jacket?
I shoot a powder coated 318 gr GC H/cast bullet w/H110 at 1530fps from my Henry, recoil will wake you up in the morning, but this XTP at simular speed would be very interesting for hunting.
Great video thank you!
The XTP MAG bullets which is what these were are still designed to expand at moderate velocity but they are supposed to retain more mass and provide deeper penetration. And yes, your cast load does sound like it would wake up the dead! 😄
Since I did grow up riding and going on round-ups, working on dairies and my first job was as a stable hand... And you know my love for lever-actions (and it is "leh-ver," not lee-ver, for the neophytes out there), I think it's only fair that you send that thing over this way. To me, thank you... ;)
I'll even pay the shipping!
(My dad had one, original with octagonal barrel, in .44-40)
The check's in the mail 😄 Seriously, I'll nee-ver give this one up.
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Sooo... You're sending me a cheque so I can buy my own? Great!!! I don't have to have you rifle. ;)
Interesting that Rossi's 92 rifle is configured exactly the same though without the tang safety (little bolt flip thing instead).
I've always thought of 45LC as a pistol round (not sure why), never knew it could be handloaded that hot for a rifle.
Wonderful !!!
Nice rifle Great cartridge is that new? I have been shooting my Marlin .45 caliber and the Henry 357/38. I've noticed the range has been empty. People are saving ammo or Its very expensive to plink. Another winner friend keep them coming.
Thanks! Austin has had that for several months. I have just been waiting for the right time to bring it out.
Identical to my Rossi same sights to.If your so inclined try this one out 340 Lee 45-70 bullet sized down to .454 20 grains of H-110 very good load close up for deer and elk.
Thanks Albert. That load sounds potent!
I've shot that load, and it's a good one. 45 colt is versatile and effective for just about any task.
That is a rifle that I would like to come across at a reasonable price. I have always wanted one in the caliber. The .45 Long Colt is an awesome round and like you said you can custom load them to whatever you want to use it for. Guaranteed hunting rifle. You could use it for all kinds of game. Hogs and deer come to mind. My brother in law used a Colt single action army in .45 long colt when he started out in law enforcement. The agency finally made him change his weapon choice when they finally came out with a standard for their sidearms, but he used one in a western style holster for about 3 years. Can you imagine seeing a big guy about 6'4" tall and weighing around 300lbs. getting out of his car in a cop uniform behind you and having a fast draw western holster tied down with a big old Colt 45 in it? I thought it was funny but I know there were a lot of people that got a little fright when they got stopped by him. God rest his soul, a good man gone.
When you were describing your brother in law, Elmer Keith came to mind.
@@TargetSuite Or Elmer Fudd. He was one crazy dude!
Haha!
Og sent me over, I enjoy the content
Thanks!
Hey, I’m not a reloader. But I’d love a 45 colt Winchester 92. Is there enough companies still making ammunition for the 45 colt. Or should I look at something like a 44 mag or 357…?
Great video as always. Thanks!
Looking at that muzzle, you can see why it was so popular (other than practical considerations) as that black tunnel is pretty impressive. LOL
Haha! That is a big, dark, ominous, hole😄
Beautiful rifle!👍🏾😀❤️🇺🇸
Amen! My son is a "lucky" guy.
Money was tight when I chose to buy a matching caliber Single Action and Lever Rifle. I bought a 45 Colt EMF Alchemista at an auction for 1/2 price in 9/10 condition. I lost my bids on 44 mag SAA;s. So I started looking at 45 Colt levers, after going to about a dozen places I went to a local Gun Show at the VFW a 15min away. I came home with a Stainless Rossi R92 in 45 Colt. Then ordered Ammo from Freedom Munitions pre covid. I didn't care about the safety the ATF makes all imports have. Or the fact that 45 Colt in levers were not used. For about a grand I have what I wanted with 300 rounds of ammo. Both of my guns are not made here. But neither are Glocks, CZ and a dozen other well loved imports.
What a great rifle and video also. I don't know anyone that doesn't like a lever action rifle. It sounds un American to not like lever guns👍👍
Thanks! "Never trust a man who doesn't like lever guns". Yep, I like the sound of that 😄
New sub, came over from Officer Gregg. Looks like I have found another fantastic shooting channel. Love the style and will be back, bell rang.
Thanks Roy! It's good to have you!
Yeah really nice lever action rifle in the .45Colt and I so desperately wanna get me the newly manufactured Winchester 1873 in .45Colt made by Miroku of Japan for I love that version and look of the lever action rifle !!!
Jeffrey, if money was no object, I'd be ordering from the Miroku catalogue every week until options ran out. And the 1873 wouldn't be too far down the list. They just make great firearms!
Thanks for shareing.
My pleasure
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Thanks!
Good morning George , I now realize I stated the problem with my rifle wrong. All of those rounds will chamber one at a time when the bolt is all the way back, the problem is when a round comes out of the tube it doesn’t clear the tube far enough for the carrier to bring it up to the chamber. With a fraction of the nose of the bullet still in the chamber the round is stuck! I’ve thought about seating and crimping deeper and reducing the powder charge but that particular bullet I don’t think was designed for that. I’m not sure if the action could be worked on for the bolt to move a little further back or not.
If you have time please give me your thoughts on this . So much fun with so many problems lol
In the meantime I’m going to try the bullets you mentioned from Montana bullet works .
Thanks again George for all your work , you have me and several friends hooked on TH-cam now !
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Hi Gary. I wish I could help but modifying the rifle to allow a longer bullet to be picked up out of the mag tube is over my head.
@@TargetSuite and well over my head. Someone I know told me of seeing a chiappa 92 with the same problem so evidently it’s a normal malfunction with rounds that are too long .
I have to call it the 45 Colt. Since there was not a "short" 45 only the 45 S&W I just can't go the long colt way. I do not try to magnumize my 45 Colt revolvers as I have some smaller frame varieties and beside vision memory is another casualty of getting older. I don't want to load up a Flattop Ruger with 296 arm twisters.
Always wait on the Tuesday video and a great way to start a very cold morning before I go brave a deer stand on this 20 degree morning.
Thanks for jumping in on the comments John. The frost is so thick here this morning it looks like snow. Good luck on your hunt.
@CallawayKen Interesting! I didn't know that existed.
@@callawayken650 I was aware of these but I always saw it as a niche brass mainly for Cowboy action shooting and their very light loads. A fairly recent development. As I claim to be a diehard traditionalist I stick with the old and leave the newer items along these line for those that have a need. I understand exactly why those shooters need this as light smokeless loads in the volume of the 45 Colt can open a can of worms.
OG sent me, awesome videos.
Thanks! Glad to have you!
I like your son's version of 92 better with the 24" octagonal barrel but I think I would do it with 44 mag. Thanks 👍
I'm with you. He got real lucky with that limited edition version. But like you, I prefer the 44 Mag cartridge.
I agree... it ought to be a good combo. The original .44-40 chambering certainly was, and had that cartridge not been later eclipsed by other ".44" offerings, I don't doubt it probably still would be. I've fired a '92 in .44 WCF, and it was a really nice-shooting rifle... hard hitting but pleasant to shoot and quick to handle. And the fact that back in the day you could pair it with a SAA in the same chambering made it a winner. For a long time, it was actually MORE popular than the .45 Colt.
Thanks Dale. We toyed with the idea of a 44-40 but settled on the Colt round. I think it was a good choice.
I own and reload both .44-40 and .45 colt. I love my.44s for their historic significance and it is a great round in its own right, but the .45 colt is more versatile and durable when reloading.
Man I understand the eye problem I will check out you glasses vid I need help bad on the range
Good luck! Let me know if that helps any.
It’s “Saint” John Moses Browning. He was canonized in 2011 on the 100th Anniversary of the Colt’s Government Model of 1911.
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Hi George: I like your 1892 - looks very nice. Do you like 45 LC ammo? I also like the octagonal barrel. Does it give you more kick than a 30-30? I'm still very confused on the colt & long colt controversy. I know it's the same but why was it called long colt? May be it just means the cowboy is loading them into the rifle rather than the six gun ??
@Louis Yong I like the 45 Colt cartridge. It is very versatile and doesn't recoil (kick) as bad as the 30-30. As far as the long Colt designation, that goes back to the 1870s when the US Army had two 45 caliber revolvers, the 1873 Colt Single Action Army which shot the .45 Colt cartridge and the Schoefield which shot the 45 Smith and Wesson cartridge. Both were .45 Caliber cartridges. But the .45 S&W round was shorter and the .45 Colt. My understanding is that the US military came up with the designation Long Colt and marked crates of ammo with "45 Long Colt" to avoid shipping the wrong ammunition to units that used the Schoefield revolver.
I have an original Winchester 1892 made in 1903. Someone overhauled it and it looks almost new. I would like to get a new Winchester but the rebounding hammer and and thumb prevents me from doing that.
Slick rifle and versatile caliber....hopefully Beets Mcgee and the rest of the neighboring clans will get the message!
Haha! Headed for the high hills, no doubt.
Winchester vs Marlin in 45 Colt…. which would you take (don’t factor in price)?
how about the light bullets with the heavy powder load? Wouldn't that put the velocity way up there?
Yep. Big splash on smaller targets!
have you tried oregon trail ,360 gn hard cast in .45 colt using 18gns of H110 rifle powder.....this loading can only be used in ruger redhawk and other heavy duty firearms..
No sir. I haven't tried the Oregon Trail bullets yet. I heard they're pretty nice though.
had a ruger redhawk in .45colt, used both doubletap ammo and loaded my own, using the 360grn bullet was a 'blast' pardon the pun
I own them all 1860 1866 1973 1876 1892 1894 . But the 92 in 44 Magnum is my go too Rifle.
That's quite a collection, but I understand your affinity to the 1892. I'm posting a video with mine this week, featuring the 280gr. Swift A-Frame HP. I hope you'll join me.
Is you 845 per second, from the rifle ? My standard lids do about 800 out of my Ruger Black Hawk and are generally doing slightly over a 1000 out of my Henry 45 colt frifle.
It's been a long time since I made that video, but I was shooting 300 grain bullets. So I'm guessing that along with the light charge of Red Dot is why the velocity was so low.
Do they call that a Short Rifle ? I like that style the best .
Hi Dan. That is the Short Rifle. My favorite in both the 1892 and 1886.
Dear Target Suite -- Any issues with Marlin-style jams (or any other jam) on this rifle? I ask as I am considering this vs the straighter-cycling 1873 action. Thank you. Take care. -Phil
No jams at all on any of our Miroku Winchester 1892s. They are fantastic guns.
@@TargetSuite Thank you Sir!
I like mine too. I would like to know your 296 recipe and where you found it. I need to get that manual
Most of my loads come from the Lyman 49th edition, but I also use loaddata.com as well.
Fine gun.
Yes. It is a nice one. My son is "lucky".
@@TargetSuite family heirloom for sure.
I hope it will be some day.
What other round besides a 45 Colt, or a 44-40 can go into a 1892?.
Man, that is a sweet piece right there anyone know how much these are going for now a days?
If you are patient and Shop hard you can still find them in the $1000-$1200 range.
Can't hear the word Plethora without think "The Three Amigos".
Thank you for saying 45 Colt and showing the head stamp. Because there is no 45 Long Colt, right ?
I really like straight walled cartridge's
Yep. I agree!
I finally bought into large bore. got a '73 cattleman chambered in 45 Colt. looking to buy a rifle to go with it.
Can't go wrong with the Miroku Winchesters. But if that's not in your budget the Marlins and Henrys are not a bad second choice.
@@TargetSuite I like the shorter barrel and large loop so probably sticking with Henry on this one
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@@callawayken650 I got Ranger point sights www.rangerpointprecision.com/
@@critter9a Curious, why do you prefer the large loop?
Refresh my memory does 45acp work on the 45lc lever guns...
What calibers were available back in the day in pistol and lever?
Hi Jimmie. No it will not work because the ACP round is rimmless. So there is nothing to keep those rounds from sliding further down in the chamber.
@@TargetSuite I figured as much
But I want to say I seen one somewhere that shot the acp.
Too bad they couldn't figure out how to do both out the same lever gun.
In that platform, the 45 Colt can safely be loaded to magnum pressures. Probably could best a 44 Mag in stopping power.
What's the brass look like out of that gun are they bulged bad? My Rossi only gets about 3 loads from the brass. My 66 gets well I'm not Shure they have been loaded for 6 years with that gun.
The brass looks good. There's no particular bulging of the case that I can see.
That's good to know. I have thought about buying one.
Given how strong these lever actions rifles are, I wonder why nobody is making them in 454 Casull, I'd get one. I believe Rossi had very limited productions of the model 92 in 454 Casull, the only other one is the Bighorn Armory in Wyoming but that's not something most people can afford.
That's a good question. The modern 1892s can sure handle it.
Love the Toby Keith song reference
Finally! I think you are the only one to pick up on that! 😄
Hey George i was wondering what that crowbar weighs, those barrels make for heavy toten.
Not sure, but it's not discernably heavier than my 44 Mag round barrel.
I own a Rossi with the 24" octagonal barrel and even with heavy loads it an easy shooter all that weight soaks up recoil, and I love the look of it
Doesn't the Model 1892 have problems with some of the heavier-longer bullets used in 45 Colt? My question relates specifically to bear loads. I believe the 1894 action, however, allows their use? Would love to know on this subject!
Hi Tom. It's all about twist rate. Bullets that spin faster stabilize better than bullets that spin slow. The twist rate on the Winchester Miroku 1892 rifles in 45 Colt and 44 Magnum is 1:26". That's a lot faster than the Marlin 1894 which has a twist rate of 1: 38". So the Winchester is much better at stabilizing the longer heavier bullets than the Marlin.
@@TargetSuite = Great point, but not where I was going. heard the heavier 300 grain plus bullets were too long to function in an 1892 action, but the 1894 action provides the needed xtra clearance?.
I understand now and yes, I could chamber the 300gr. bullets in my (now traded) 1894, but not in the 1892. I have been considering getting the 1892 re-throated but just not sure yet.
As a member of SASS, I can tell you that having rifle and handguns shooting the same calibers have an advantage, as in all three guns shooting your one load that is safe for the handguns at the range distances used in a typical SASS match, which is 25-50 yards.
But back in the day when everything was loaded in Black Powder the firearm industry knew the lever action rifles need to step up to the plate and be able to put game on the table from a distance of up to 200 yards. The 45 Colt with its rainbow arch sending the 250 grain bullet at that distance was not powerful enough for the task. So the cartridge of choice since 1873 had been the 44/40, with its 200 grain bullet being driven down range through a 18-24 inch barreled rifle with enough punch to take animals as large as a deer at 200 yards and was also loaded in the Colt Peace Maker since that same year.
The US Calvary used the 45 Caliber because the heavier bullet out of a handgun could take care most targets a Calvary would encounter at ranges of 50 yards or less. Anything further away you used your carbine. Those carbines fired cartridges that used powder charges with 60 or more grains of powder with bullets weighing 300 grains or more so they could be effective out to 800 yards or further if needed.
George, that's a great comment. Thanks! I need to attend a SASS event some day, just to see what it's all about.
@@TargetSuite May I suggest you contact SASS website. Look for a big match, perhaps a regional match that is held yearly, rather then a local group that meets monthly where their maybe 20 competitors. At a regional match you might see several hundred competitors over the course of 3-5 days. The Big Regional is End of Trail, and it is held near SASS headquarters in New Mexico.
Ask Someone for a copy of the Current SASS rules book. So you can see the different categories for which a competitor can compete in. Then look at the dress code of conduct. Every shooter is expected to dress accordingly to there aliases, and so if your a bank robber then you dress the part. The period is from the civil war to the year 1898. Most matches are geared around a competitive shoot using single action revolver of the period, lever action rifles shooting pistol calibers and a shotgun of 20 gauge or larger. Either black powder or smokeless. Of course if your shooting smokeless powder your pistol cartridges are traveling less then 1000 FPS in a handgun and 1600 FPS through the rifle. Firing magnum caliber cartridges is allowed as long as you shoot a loading that is not a magnum. Lead Bullets only, absolutely no plated or jacket Bullets and shotguns are also loaded with lead pellets. A typical shooter using traditional cartridges will keep velocities at about 750-800 FPS through the handguns and 1200-1400 through rifles shooting pistol cartridges. It’s a lot of fun, and you can tell how those who don’t take there wardrobe seriously will be pointed towards the front door until they can get with the program and dress properly, next time. These matches are a family event, so you will see plenty of women and children who are old enough competitors competing.
I bought my 45-70 before I got my Rossi 45 colt. If it had been the other way around, I doubt I would own a 45-70.
The 45-70 is definitely in a different league when it comes to recoil, power and cost.
@@TargetSuite I cast and reload, so cost isn't an issue. I'm not recoil sensitive either, but this Rossi 45 colt delivers all the power I need to put down anything I hunt.
People started using the term '45 Long Colt" after the 45 ACP round came out after 1911 to differentiate between the two 45 Colt rounds. The Schofield round had nothing to do with it.