Entry angle, oil pattern changing, change balls, moving on the approach, speed entering the pocket, is your speed being optimized with your Rev rate. Bla, Bla. The key to being a good player is being able to read what the lane is giving you. You personally. How can I play this condition that will play to my A game. Toughest thing to do. Good luck on your quest to carry that nasty 10 pin! 2:54
This is an incredible tip. Speed control is a crucial adjustment. I rarely see my balls roll out but just as in this video, I regularly will not get it to come back soon enough and the first adjustment I make is to slow down and give it more time to read the lane. You can make several adjustments but I always start with the easiest adjusment.
I've had a lot of luck with standing a few inches backward, in this case, on the approach to give the ball more room to hook. If I'm leaving 4 pins or 7 pins as a righthander, I'll move a little forward on the approach.
I might be wrong, but I have been bowling since 1979 and I believe that 16 pound balls pick up the 10 pin slightly more often than lighter balls. They maybe leave 1 less per game. That is why I continue to throw 16 pounds at age 67 while being only 160 pounds. But I view 10 pins as a form of bowling success. If I don't strike then I want to leave a 10 pin and nothing else.
I am 100% an amateur, but just from research and watching pros like JR and others, and the way I look at it is that almost every pro has transitioned to away from 16 pound balls. Players like EJ Tackett and from what I heard 70% of pros throw 15 pounds. So don't you think that if there was a chance a 16 pound ball would allow them to strike more they wouldn't have changed?
@@AverageBowler They are pros with loads of revs and 18+ mph balls. They don't need 16 pounds like a much weaker old man who did get 26/36 strikes and left 5 ten pins last night. So five of my shots were not strikes or ten pins.
I'm just commenting on your comment where you said "I believe 16 pound balls pick up the 10 pin slightly more often than lighter balls". Whatever works for you is fine, but in curious if you actually used a 15 pound ball for a full season and the same ball as a 16 pound and actually compared the results of both. Or if you're just basing it off of opinion with no supporting evidence
@@AverageBowler I have only had two 15 pound balls in 45 years, and it has been 20 years. The only difference I noticed was I left a bunch of 10 pins, so I didn't throw them much. I think 16 pounds helps deflect off the right wall getting the ten. But I am a medium rev player that likes speed.
I believe 98% of PWBA professionals would disagree with this theory and analysis. Most throw with fewer revs and less speed than pro men. Some throw 14 pound balls but will still carry corner pins. It's more an understanding of entry angles and pin deck exit and how to get your ball to roll correctly.
Could you please clarify how we can visually differentiate between a ball that is rolling out and leaving a corner pin, versus one that is not slowing down enough and also leaves a corner pin? Also, I missed your brief urethane comment in this vid, so when using urethane, which we know hooks early (compared to reactive resin), would a urethane ball be more prone to rollout than resin? Would a urethane ball only not slow down enough on longer patterns, or if that ball runs into its own carrydown? Last, does slowing ball speed help with a urethane ball as well? Could doing so lessen the impact of its own carrydown? Thank you
rolling out means the ball is only rolling forward, it no longer has any sideways rotation on it so it stops hooking and just rolls though the pins. This can be common when throwing big asym solids like a Gem and miss right. It might very well hit the dry outside boards and hook back to the pocket but it used all its energy doing so after that big hook, it just rolls straight into the pocket and this will often leave 10 pins or even 7 pins, sometimes even 5 pins if it hits a little light
@@wingracer1614 totally with you on the asym solids doing this. Now and then i miss a bit right and it basically ends up rolling forward for what seems like a while. Whats funny tho is i get a fair amount of strikes when it happens lol.
I don't remember what episode it was. But you mention there was a website that I can go to for bowling terminology. Can you please tell me what website it is?
I heard people say to bring the eyes closer….. that works for me. Similar to throwing slow I think. I look at the dots to bring eyes in. Shortening the launch length. Have u heard of this?
I do not throw a fast ball, but I find that when I try to change speeds I become inconsistent. So I typically either move on the approach or try changing balls. That said, I have better success slowing my ball speed down versus increasing it.
Could you make a vid showing the best entry angle into the pocket? Just a simple line from the pocket to the gutter and how many feet it actually is. I always reference the cheater boards down lane. Or whatever there called. Love the content. Especially the stereotype vids 😂
Cool, that helps. I was always moving right, because my brain said move right. No technical reason, just my brain said move right. So, am I to assume that leaving the 7-10 on that same type of shot is also the ball moving too far down the lane, or is that the opposite? I struggle with what I perceive are Pocket 7-10's quite a bit.
I’m that guy that! I can’t get the big games because i leave so many 10 pins and think i should go to a ball that goes down lane and hooks. I’ll try the slowing down next time.
Wouldn't the easiest way be to start your approach 6" to 12 " longer? Therefore you will be stopping your slide 6 to 12" short of the foul line and will be laying the ball down a little sooner on the lane? You might not have to change rotation, speed, starting position, or lay down board at all.
Heads up. I just watched the “Perception vs Reality” show and they were rebutting to your video about “Layouts Don’t Matter” this will be an ongoing debate topic until someone proves the information correctly. What’s funny to see on the “Throwbot” videos is that they gave each “bowler” the same exact PAP. Example on the Conspiracy HK22 each bowler created has a 4.5” x 0.5” PAP. Might want to make another video to rebuttal back.
@@Tenpindoctors Actually they agreed with you. They just went on to explain how the layouts affect the ball as it is going through the pins and you already said that.
Nada, like you said before JR, moving more forward or backward won't do much because our body will compensate and end at the same spot we normally release the ball. Slow your feet and approach to allow the ball to read more and roll sooner, thus correcting the ten pin problem. At least until another problem comes up.
Could not see the ball roll out because you were in the way...lol
I mean, come on. You been doing is a while.
Just a bad angle. We just wing these. No scripts to make them as real and relatable as possible and the camera was just in the wrong spot
Hey JR, I just wanted to tell you I love this new format.Of you guys just talking.It's very refreshing.....
You can never hear this advice enough. Thank you!
Entry angle, oil pattern changing, change balls, moving on the approach, speed entering the pocket, is your speed being optimized with your Rev rate. Bla, Bla. The key to being a good player is being able to read what the lane is giving you. You personally. How can I play this condition that will play to my A game.
Toughest thing to do. Good luck on your quest to carry that nasty 10 pin! 2:54
This is an incredible tip. Speed control is a crucial adjustment. I rarely see my balls roll out but just as in this video, I regularly will not get it to come back soon enough and the first adjustment I make is to slow down and give it more time to read the lane. You can make several adjustments but I always start with the easiest adjusment.
This definitely helps me understand! Thanks
The other thing about a ball rolling out is the ball looks like it is backing up before hitting the pocket due to it just rolling forward.
Haha good example of rolling out. Your body was blocking the entire shot and the pins. Move left next time 😂.....redo
Yeah I see that 🤦🏼♂️ lol
@@Tenpindoctors It's all good. We understand what you meant
Cool video talk tech bowling Jr Raymond
I've had a lot of luck with standing a few inches backward, in this case, on the approach to give the ball more room to hook. If I'm leaving 4 pins or 7 pins as a righthander, I'll move a little forward on the approach.
I might be wrong, but I have been bowling since 1979 and I believe that 16 pound balls pick up the 10 pin slightly more often than lighter balls. They maybe leave 1 less per game. That is why I continue to throw 16 pounds at age 67 while being only 160 pounds. But I view 10 pins as a form of bowling success. If I don't strike then I want to leave a 10 pin and nothing else.
I am 100% an amateur, but just from research and watching pros like JR and others, and the way I look at it is that almost every pro has transitioned to away from 16 pound balls. Players like EJ Tackett and from what I heard 70% of pros throw 15 pounds.
So don't you think that if there was a chance a 16 pound ball would allow them to strike more they wouldn't have changed?
@@AverageBowler They are pros with loads of revs and 18+ mph balls. They don't need 16 pounds like a much weaker old man who did get 26/36 strikes and left 5 ten pins last night. So five of my shots were not strikes or ten pins.
I'm just commenting on your comment where you said "I believe 16 pound balls pick up the 10 pin slightly more often than lighter balls".
Whatever works for you is fine, but in curious if you actually used a 15 pound ball for a full season and the same ball as a 16 pound and actually compared the results of both. Or if you're just basing it off of opinion with no supporting evidence
@@AverageBowler I have only had two 15 pound balls in 45 years, and it has been 20 years. The only difference I noticed was I left a bunch of 10 pins, so I didn't throw them much. I think 16 pounds helps deflect off the right wall getting the ten. But I am a medium rev player that likes speed.
I believe 98% of PWBA professionals would disagree with this theory and analysis. Most throw with fewer revs and less speed than pro men. Some throw 14 pound balls but will still carry corner pins. It's more an understanding of entry angles and pin deck exit and how to get your ball to roll correctly.
Could you please clarify how we can visually differentiate between a ball that is rolling out and leaving a corner pin, versus one that is not slowing down enough and also leaves a corner pin?
Also, I missed your brief urethane comment in this vid, so when using urethane, which we know hooks early (compared to reactive resin), would a urethane ball be more prone to rollout than resin? Would a urethane ball only not slow down enough on longer patterns, or if that ball runs into its own carrydown?
Last, does slowing ball speed help with a urethane ball as well? Could doing so lessen the impact of its own carrydown?
Thank you
rolling out means the ball is only rolling forward, it no longer has any sideways rotation on it so it stops hooking and just rolls though the pins. This can be common when throwing big asym solids like a Gem and miss right. It might very well hit the dry outside boards and hook back to the pocket but it used all its energy doing so after that big hook, it just rolls straight into the pocket and this will often leave 10 pins or even 7 pins, sometimes even 5 pins if it hits a little light
@@wingracer1614 totally with you on the asym solids doing this. Now and then i miss a bit right and it basically ends up rolling forward for what seems like a while. Whats funny tho is i get a fair amount of strikes when it happens lol.
Not sure if i explained that right but it seems hit some real dry, makes a quick turn, then appears to roll generally forward toward the pocket.
are TIOS the same things as TIPS?? :)
I don't remember what episode it was. But you mention there was a website that I can go to for bowling terminology. Can you please tell me what website it is?
I heard people say to bring the eyes closer….. that works for me. Similar to throwing slow I think. I look at the dots to bring eyes in. Shortening the launch length. Have u heard of this?
Helpfull informations....👍
Thank you i like the softer hand position. 😅
Good information but you need to reposition the camera or get out of the way so that we can see the results of the ball and pins
Good info. But I have the same question with the 7 pin as a righty. Why don't I carry 7 pins?
I do not throw a fast ball, but I find that when I try to change speeds I become inconsistent. So I typically either move on the approach or try changing balls. That said, I have better success slowing my ball speed down versus increasing it.
Could you make a vid showing the best entry angle into the pocket? Just a simple line from the pocket to the gutter and how many feet it actually is. I always reference the cheater boards down lane. Or whatever there called. Love the content. Especially the stereotype vids 😂
A six degree entry angle, if the ball was going straight from the breakpoint, would be at the gutter at range finders
Your right I see more people change balls instead of adjusting
Cool, that helps. I was always moving right, because my brain said move right. No technical reason, just my brain said move right. So, am I to assume that leaving the 7-10 on that same type of shot is also the ball moving too far down the lane, or is that the opposite? I struggle with what I perceive are Pocket 7-10's quite a bit.
I’m that guy that! I can’t get the big games because i leave so many 10 pins and think i should go to a ball that goes down lane and hooks. I’ll try the slowing down next time.
Don’t forget to like the video 👍
Wouldn't the easiest way be to start your approach 6" to 12 " longer? Therefore you will be stopping your slide 6 to 12" short of the foul line and will be laying the ball down a little sooner on the lane? You might not have to change rotation, speed, starting position, or lay down board at all.
Most people subconsciously adjust their steps and don’t finish any different at the line
Heads up. I just watched the “Perception vs Reality” show and they were rebutting to your video about “Layouts Don’t Matter” this will be an ongoing debate topic until someone proves the information correctly. What’s funny to see on the “Throwbot” videos is that they gave each “bowler” the same exact PAP. Example on the Conspiracy HK22 each bowler created has a 4.5” x 0.5” PAP. Might want to make another video to rebuttal back.
I’ve already shown irrefutable evidence but they don’t accept it. It’s crazy
@@Tenpindoctors Actually they agreed with you. They just went on to explain how the layouts affect the ball as it is going through the pins and you already said that.
Back up 6 inches on your approach
Which does what for you?
Nada, like you said before JR, moving more forward or backward won't do much because our body will compensate and end at the same spot we normally release the ball. Slow your feet and approach to allow the ball to read more and roll sooner, thus correcting the ten pin problem. At least until another problem comes up.
To late of reaction and a quick roll out leaves you a pocket 7-10
Kicking the ball return helps too. jk.
Good information but bad presentation.. I’m with the rest of the comments we need a REDO!!!
Only thing bad was not seeing the “roll out” shot
@@Tenpindoctors but great information as always!
Can’t see shit if you’re standing in the way fyi
Hire a skinnier cohost so we can see the shots.