'You're totally unaccountable' | Driver and cyclist debate over whether bikers are too MILITANT
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- 'If you hit my kids and broke their leg, I wouldn't be able to find you as there is no license plate - you're totally unaccountable.'
Fran Foley Winston, passionate cyclist, debates with Lewis Oakley, learner driver, over whether cyclists have become too militant.
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Vine isn't a cyclist, he's a BBC activist on a pedal bike, riding into confrontational situations and escalating them.
Most cyclists take no notice of the high way code
Bullcrap.
Most of us obey most of the rules of the road.
We don't want the government to become even worse.
They sure don't
@@william6223 William here is the prime example of why cyclists are known not to have any sense of responsibility and why they break far more traffics rules than cars do.
You'll notice he doesn't have any arguments, despite everyone here knowing cyclists drive through red lights ALL the time.
@@ym5891 Cyclists habitually break some rules and so do drivers. They just break different rules.
In the case of cyclists, many do cycle through red lights, wereas they should dismount and walk across the junction as a pedestrian to remain legal. Cycling through red lights is now permitted in Paris, Canada and some US states but not the Uk - yet. Cyclists also ride on pavements for which there is no excuse. It's largely becuse they feel safer there than on the road, but recent changes (20mph speed limts and the 1.5m rule) shoudl help with making them feel safer on the road.
In the case of drivers, most break speed limits and many drive on and off pavements. Many also keep their foot on the foot brake when stopped in queues dazzling following road users.
I believe the police tend to prosecute drivers more than cyclists, because they are concerned about road safety and drivers kill 1500 a year whereas cyclists kill about 5.
@@southwirralcyclist1986 Or you people are so suicidal you go into places where you shouldn't be. The problem is cyclists not killing other people, the problem is cyclists killing themselves. Cars still don't aim for cyclists 1500 times a year no matter how hard you try convincing me.
9 out of 10 times, it's the cyclist putting themselves in a dangerous situation. They don't look and just cross into traffic that drives significantly faster than they do. Should I fault the drivers for the cyclists' suicidal tendencies?
As an ex-cyclist (cervelo s5) I am appalled by cyclist entitlement and behaviours. 'Nuff said.
Jeremy also films children...very worrying
On reply to Jeremy Vine - maybe cyclists should let cars overtake them.
I'm a cyclist and have raced competitively on a national level for around 20 years. I don't race now but I still ride recreationally. I was riding yesterday on a fantastic cycle path that runs for a good few miles and runs right next to a dual carriage way. The amount of other cyclists there were not using it and riding on the road instead was disgraceful. There should be a law that if a cycle path is provided cyclists should have to use it and stay off the road. The amount of cyclists I see riding doubled up on the roads and not letting cars past is infuriating. If I am riding on the road and there is a car stuck behind me I will always move out the way when I can to let them past. There are far too many militant cyclists on the roads and this needs to end! I also believe that anyone using the road has to be insured.
Good old common sense, thank you
Not really I only use the ones that are on
A Road not paths . As I’ve nearly hit kids . Kid will
General look to cross roads
As an ex racing cyclist myself you should know that not all cycle paths are fit for purpose
I don't believe that you have been anywhere near a bike since you were 12.
@@nigelground283 Well you are completely and utterly wrong. I know that for a fact!
Lifelong cyclist so I always stick up for riders, with two exceptions. One, groups who take over the road racing peloton style, after removing bikes from their expensive cars. Two, cyclists who ride a bike to try and change society. Both exhibit privilege, entitlement and narcissism.
Hear hear! I hate that my hobby has been taken over by the (mostly) city-dwelling, right-on elite.
I drive a car and I ride a bike. You have a lot of cyclists. They jump on the bike and they have no road sense at all completely zero. These are the ones we have to train because they’ve given a bad reputation to other bike riders.
I drive a car and also cycle. I agree with this. I can’t stand those cyclists who jump on a bike and instantly forget they drive a car too. It’s wilful ignorance.
I dont mind cyclists but I do mind them riding three abreast and holding up traffic. Fran you are supposed to look behind you before you signal.
I don’t ride in groups anymore because I can’t stand the anxiety of other riders not falling into single file if a vehicle is behind. I’d rather stay on my own, wave to acknowledge the driver, and pull in where it’s safe. More often than not I’ll get a nice wave from the driver and the relationship between driver and cyclist is a tiny bit better than it was.
Cyclists are worse in not stopping at zebra crossings think they have more rights than those crossing the road!🤦♀️🤬
They don't stop at red traffic lights either,some just go straight through,idiots
The major problem with recent cycle lane implementations across this country is that they've been rush-installed on the cheap with extremely poor consideration and planning. Resulting in dreadfully cheap and poor quality obstructive, inefficient and even unsafe designs and implementations. That are detested by both cyclists and drivers. The country is trying to rush through overnight on the cheap, what the Netherlands took 20 years to successfully achieve through proper investment and planning.
The cycle paths where I live are mostly fantastic. I love riding on them I can go for miles. There is absolutely no excuse for not riding on them.
If a cycle is a vehicle then they should have tax and insurance another point is that vine gives cyclists a bad name he just sounds arrogant and entitled
I agree with you about Jeremy Vine. But bicycles are subject to 20% VAT.
Because he is.
Motor vehicles pay tax and insurance; pedal cyclists do not need to pay VED or insurance to use public roads; maybe pedestrians should pay tax and insurance to use public perambulation facilities.
Did she say her arm nearly came off 😂😂😂😂
What a drama queen.
Liberal female; That is to be expected. Playing victim is taught to them since birth.
Best way for her to protect her arms is to get rid of the bike!
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This woman needs to learn the Highway Code. She should look behind before sticking her hand out in traffic. She is proof cyclists need tests, a licence and insurance to use the roads.
Do that and 90% of the cyclists will
Use the whole lane
@@JC-un4bgthat is not the rule in the highway code! It says move to the left to allow others to past. They only read part 1 and not the part 2. They crop the extract to suit them. 😂
Cyclists need registration plates (yes, it is practical - see China), training and testing, and 3rd party insurance. Entitled, militant cyclists need to be accountable
50 cent army?
Road tax, number plates, indicators, mirrors and insurance for using the highways like every other vehicle. Wearing leathers and full face helmets would help protect the cyclists from injuries too.
They are extremely dangerous and foolish without all of the above.
@@user-ct1nm5he7f So, why don't drivers wear full face helmets too?
@@user-ct1nm5he7f Not EVERY other vehicle.
@@middleman9183 Bc car drivers have a windscreen and a metal roll cage surrounding them perhaps!
Cyclists need to stop riding on pavements at speed, unless it's a shared pavement.
I won’t ride on a shared pavement. Rather be on a road. People generally pay more attention on a road than a path and don’t won’t to hit a child that’s not paying attention.
Can someone tell drivers that they are not car parks either.
I’m sick to death of this argument.
Divide and conquer, motorists enemy is government tyranny not cyclists.
Ms Winston was not following the rules of the rod when she was struck by a car..........the Highway code is clear: "If you are turning right, check the traffic to ensure it is safe, THEN signal and move to the centre of the road. Wait until there is a safe gap in the oncoming traffic" By her own admission she just stuck her arm out. Motor cyclists have a simple "Dead man" rule about looking over the shoulder, cyclists do not. I ride a bike and will give way and let traffic overtake me if I am causing congestion. Too many cyclists ignore not just the Highway Code but just plain good manners.
Err, no. The law clearly states that you should give the cyclist 1 metre of clearance so the car was clearly too close. Yes, she should have looked but no, the car is in the wrong.
@@Jamie-Z Err........how do you know she was steering in a straight line? IMO both in the wrong. Drivers should always assume cyclists not to be trusted and steer clear.
@@Jamie-Z It’s 1.8 metres, isn’t it?
@@Jamie-Zyou are wrong. Only that in the highways act 1988 is law. The distance to pass a cyclist is an advisory highway code change which is not law. Its advice. The law is reckless cycling or dangerous driving. In this case she would be at fault for reckless cycling. The car would of still hit even of passing at 1.5 metres as you turned right infront and moved her position.. Simple, know your law sunshine. 😂
@@Jamie-Z The law also clearly states cyclist have to be at the side of the road, which they rarely do. They just cycle in the middle of the lane. So no wonder there's no 1 metre of clearance.
But ofcourse, it's always someone elses' fault, isn't it? Exactly why nobody likes cyclists.
*_MOST_* cyclists break the law, they go through red lights, zebra crossings being used, lights at night seem to be an optional extra for them. Cyclists also deliberately get in the way of cars - almost as a point of principle, especially at traffic lights. They don't always use the cycle lanes & frequently ride on the pavements threatening pedestrians - it's become a joke.
Not using cyclelanes is perfectly legal and with many of them is sensible as they're less safe than the road. Cyclists are also advised to cycle in the centre of the lane, where there is a risk a driver might attempt to pass them too closely by not moving over into the oncoming lane (e.g. when there is oncoming traffic, traffic islands or approaching a junction). I agree though that cyclists shoud stop at red lights. If they wish to cross before the green, they should dismount and walk across the junction as a pedestrian. They should also give way to pedestrians on zebra crossing. This doesn't mean they necessarily have to stop, if there is a pedestrian on the crossing, but they shouldn't cross directly in front of them such that the pedestrian's path is impeded. Cyclists also shouldn't ride on a pavement unless it is marked as a shared path.
There are good drivers and bad drivers, there are good cyclists and bad cyclists. It's not the vehicle it's the person in charge of it. Some pedestrians are just as bad, while cycling I have had people step on to the road 3 foot in front of me without looking and they look at me as if it's my fault.
By people who are old enough to remember the Tufty Club too I’ll bet.
That's because humans are wired to listen for oncoming things like trains, cars and wildebeest and silent cyclists barrel along towards pedestrians without any consideration for them.
Jeremy Vine is not a good or considerate cyclist. He often displays poor cycling and poor road awareness in his clips. He frequently rides with a permanent chip on his shoulder. Willfully seeking out and unnecessarily making worse the trouble he encounters. He often willfully refuses to avoid or de-escalate the problems that he seeks out and encounters on the road, in favour of deliberately seeking to punish/chastise the other person for his social media views. If he rode his bike with less self-righteous aggression and entitlement and instead rode calmly with better awareness and consideration. He'd only encounter about 20% of the trouble he currently encounters. But then he wouldn't get as many videos for his social media.
Yeah, he’s a tool. Not representative of most cyclists.
@@BrianBadondebowlhe so does. I saw one where they were turning left into a shop carpark the car was clearly infront. It braked, indicated, then turned. The speed JV was going he soon caught the car up before the manoeuvre was finished. JV should of slowed down as the car had already started to turn in. JV was a long way down the road before the manoeuvre had started and ended up right up next to the back wheel arch. A slight brake from JV and the car would of cleared the junction before JV got there.
this guy needs to go to spec savers if he thinks cyclists come out of no where...
There's room for everybody, Slow moving vehicles should allow other vehicles to pass, out of consideration if nothing else. There are some terrible drivers out there though.!
The more foreigners to arrive the more dangerous the roads will become.
she's typical over dramatic Karen
Your arm would not have come off. That will teach you to remember " mirror, signal, maneuver.
Good on that young man 👍
cyclists choose to ride on the roads, there fore their safety is their responsibility, up to them to be aware of the traffic around them. I saw one idiot try to undertake a car right on the corner and the car turned and knocked the idiot off his bike.
Don't think your argument would quite stand up in court Bernie
Car drivers and motorcyclists have to pass a test and pay road tax. And whilst most cyclists have driving licenses, there is nothing to stop anyone from jumping on a bicycle and going wherever they please. I'm also resentful that my taxes pay for cycle paths that cyclists don't use.
I think counsel tax actually pays for it
@@dogbreaththe3rd851 Yep. Almost a hundred years ago by Winston Churchill. I wonder if the person who posted the original comment thinks that cars which don’t have to pay Vehicle Excise Duty do not deserve to use the road?
Well, if you opened your eyes occasionally you could see that most cycle lanes are not fit for purpose ,you would also know that there is no such thing as Road tax , motor vehicles pay an emissions tax . Tax for the roads comes out of general taxation so we all pay for them, cyclists included.
As a cyclist I also resent the money spent on cycle paths that are so dangerous and slow that very few cyclists are daft enough to use them. There was a 3 mile stretch of shared cycle path installed alongside the dual carriageway I used to cycle along, during rush hour, on my commute. I used it once. There were multiple problems. There were a lot of pedestrians, including children and dogs who seemed totally unaware that the path was also used by cyclists. There were many 'blind' driveways from which cars could emerge without warning. There were numerous side roads to cross where you had to give way to traffic turning into the side road from behind and in front and traffic emerging from the side road. The surface was also very uneven compared to the road. There was also a lot of road furniture that had to be avoided. It also doubled my journey time. I contacted my council making comments on how the cycle path could be improved. They did respond, but explained it would have cost a lot more to add my improvements. Basically the installation was little more than a few signs and some white paint. Cyclists do use well designed cycle infrastructure if it's at least as safe as the road and journey times are similar, e.g. some of London's cycling super highways. Theproblem with much of the existing infrastructure is the councils strived for the maximum mileage aat the lowest cost. i.e. A few white lines on a pavement.
The cyclists also pay for the cycle paths out of their taxes. The vast majority of funding for our road infrastructure and maintenance comes from income tax and council tax, not vehicle excise duty.
When cyclist start paying TAX & INSURANCE then they can complain till then SHUT THE FXCK UP !! to many cyclist getting away with GOING Threw RED LIGHTS !! Seen one cyclist smashing a car MIRROR off the over week didn't stop she just stuck her fingers up ? ( THAT SOUNDS RUDE) STUCK HER FINGER UP 🙊iam bad??
Ignorant comment. Everyone pays road tax. Most cyclists (I know of) are insured.
YA YOUR RIGHT MOST CYCLIST ARE IGNORANT YOUR SPOT ON THERE WELL SAID 👍👍
@@padiedo7213 Can you read?
so does that mean if a pedestrian gets knocked over they can also shut up because they dont have insurance or tax? or a jogger? horse rider?
@middleman 9183 most cyclist DON'T RIDE THEIR BIKES WITH INSURANCE WELL SAID !! YOUR RIGHT! and most do GO threw RED LIGHTS YOUR RIGHT with that has well (NICE ONE) ✊
They are an absolute menace!
no one's 'a menace'
@@middleman9183I say they are.
No one cares what you think@@THX829
She needs to get a car ...this isn't rural Ireland
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There shouldn't be bikes on the road at all, they're too slow for modern roads.
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anyone who thinks like you do has no right to be even close to a road .
yes let's make all bike owners use cars at all times. because then you would get about much faster in all that extra traffic.
This is GBN , where common sense is left at the door.@@cb465
@@nigelground283 You're right Nigel, let's put all cyclists on the highway and see how well that goes, shall we?
Most cyclists are car drivers so just add a bike to you car policy and those who are not get their own policy. Cities will have to insure the bikes they provide meaning everyone is covered if on one of the city bikes.
The bicycle has always been a cheap transport option for people with less money. . What about children riding their bikes about .
@@JC-un4bg That may have been the case 50-70 years ago, but interestingly now, cycle ownership is actually higher in the higher income groups. Around 85% of adult cyclists also own at least one car.
They're not bikers, they're menopausal old men in tights.
Most are fine and casual but the ones that tear around city streets or the bellend types that hurtle along a path next to busway(near me)that pedestrians use constantly with kids ans old people are totally unaccountable and militant. They use it like a velodrome.
There is an invention called mirrors which are very useful for seeing whats behind so you don't lose your arm or end up under a car.
Every time I cross the road as a pedestrian at a traffic lights when it’s red, a cyclist always comes through the red lights, please stop, the cars always do.
I think the encouragement to get people on bikes has led to lots of people starting cycling, without any kind of understanding of the protocols, rules of the road, highway code, etc.
Over 90% of adult cyclists hold driving licences, so are at least as aware as drivers of the rules. Keeping yourself safe on a bike is though very different to being in a car. The main danger is not being seen or other road users not being able to interpret your intended path. Although reading recommendations from cycling bodies, such as Cycling UK, can help, a lot of this knowledge comes from experiece of riding on different roads with different road conditions.
@southwirralcyclist1986 that was partly what I was meaning, really, as well as the fact there are a lot who don't necessarily drive, particularly youngsters.
@@zoecurran4185 I agree that there are many youngsters that cycle, but pay little regard to the rules. There is a case to be made that cyclists who don't hold driving licences should attend a Bikeability course, before taking to the roads. These are provided in many primary schools, in the final year, to enable pupils to cycle to their secondary schools safely. It's important though that obstacles to people taking up cycling are kept to a minimum.
@southwirralcyclist1986 I agree. I did my Cycling Proficiency Test, as it was then, when I was at school. Well worth it.
@@zoecurran4185 I must admit that I never did. I think I can remember completing the theory part at the age of about 11, but I never did the practical test and did cycle on the roads from about that age, although I suppose I therefore at least had knowledge of the highway code. I also passed my driving test at 17. I probably only really became fully conscious of the best way to remain safe when cycling though, when I started cycle commuting on busy roads in the rush hour around ten years later.
Why have you got a learner driver with zero experience on 😂
They should have insurance. How many have you seen go through red lights .
I really don't believe that driving in a cycle lane is that common. It is far more prevalent to have cyclists riding on the road and pavement when there's a cycle lane that probably costs millions of pounds. Cycling up to 4 abrest around the narrow country lanes is frankly, suicidal.
Replace militant with aggressive!
Right back atcha, if there’s a cycle lane why do cyclists go onto other areas of the road and then blast the car drivers!!
In my area we have single file cycle lanes but they cycle 2 abreast!!
In the past A Cycling Proficiency Test was held at schools....Pass.... and a little yellow flag for the front mudguard....Any as old as me remember this????
Vine is a a.....
Council making cycle tracks and they still use roads. What a waste of money.
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How can a Learner Driver pass comments?????
Why was she cycling near a tramway? Cyclist, a tramway is for trams!
I think the word "near"might be the giveaway.
When cyclists pay to use the road, pay to pass the test on the Highway Code and how to use the road, not a cycling proficiency when they were 12. They have NO knowledge of roads.
There should be NO cycle lanes on the road.
They should widen pavements
Oh and they should be fined for running red lights and not wearing appropriate wear for night time
It’s not road tax it’s an emissions tax. Most cyclists are also car drivers so they do pay road tax.
call it whatever you like ...... It's still roadtax !!!
@@mikeford5106 Road tax ended in the 1930s. If you smoke, drink, pay VAT, income or any other tax, you are paying for the roads.
That's a GBN viewer for you ,even when given the facts they still think they're right.@@mikeford5106
Cyclists who wear lycra are aggressive. Casual cyclists are usually ok.
Thanks for those words of wisdom Marcus Aurelius.
I do love a good motorist v cyclist fight.
Her arm would’ve come off 😂😂
Ban cyclists on pavements. Where are pedestrians supposed to walk in a safe manner, if not on pavements?
People who are irresponsible arent going to sign up to anything, theres plenty of bad drivers and cyclists.
Jeremy Vine is his own problem
Not bikers, cyclists .
“My arm would of come off” 🤔🤔
Exaggerate much??😳😳
Pedestrians are regularly at risk from cyclists. An unfair battle as the cyclist has protective clothing and is travelling 10x faster
Have a look at the Stats Mark then tell me again who a pedestrian is most at risk from.
I knew a cyclist who was killed when two pedestrians unexpectedly darted across the road. One of the pedestrians suffered a broken arm. The other was uninjured.
Cyclists should have insurance and pay some kind of road tax, they are happy for car owners to pay for Cyclists lanes.
they have and do
Absolutely zero motorists pay for road tax.
There's actually no such thing as road tax. What is wrongly labelled road tax, is Vehicle Excise Duty, which is a tax on a motor vehicle itself based on the level of emissions it produces. It's not actually a tax to use the vehicle on the road. The majority of funding for our roads comes from other taxes, income tax, council tax, etc.
Dear Mr Trucker Road tax was abolished in 1937 and we all pay for cycle lanes and indeed roads out of our income and council tax. Hope thats cleared up your confusion.
It's not that everybody need to stick in their lane. We all share roads, regardless whether you're a pedestrian or on/in any vehicle It's that everybody needs to be aware of and considerate of each other, help each other out. That we do what's best, for the best overall traffic flow and safety. And do not do what we feel is selfishly best for just our own individual traffic flow.
Well there you have it; Cyclists do not share roads, they CLAIM roads. Afterall; They don't pay for said roads, and motorists do.
So until cyclists start PAYING for roads, they're merely GUESTS and are not ABLE to share something they have no right to.
@@ym5891 Every taxpayer pays for the roads, not just motorists.
@@ym5891 Precisely the selfish, aggressive, inconsiderate and self-entitled attitude that should not be on our roads. No one single road user owns the road. The road is shared by all road users. Pedestrians, horse riders, cyclists, motorcyclists, car, van, bus, tractor and lorry drivers. All of those road users pay all of the UK's general taxes, such as income tax and VAT. Little known fact, the vast majority of money for our roads comes from those general taxes and not from Vehicle Excise Duty (road tax).
@@beardedtit7692 Great, then buy your own roads. You don't need a 6ft lane for a cycle.
@@ym5891 I’m trying to tell you that there’s no such thing as road tax. Incidentally, my car is £695 a year to “tax”, and my motorbike must be around £100 a year these days.
I cycle through a major city and I can tell you it's pedestrians who cause more problems for cyclists than vehicles.
Another cyclist who doesn't know the rules of the road then.
@@T5Zplayer and pedestrians who don't care about the rules
@@middleman9183pedestrians are the lowest group so there are no rules for them. What are the rules for pedestrians.
@@robertjones2053 Highway code rules 1-35.
@@southwirralcyclist1986 they have been updated to say pedestrian have priority over cyclists. 😂
The Dutch seem a lot more civilised over this. They're a lot less aggressive.
As a Dutch guy; We hate bikes on the road more than anyone. Hence we have dedicated and separate bike lanes whenever possible. But in places like the UK it's a free for all on the MOTORway. Which kind of seems to indicate vehicles WITHOUT motors probably shouldn't be on it.
@@ym5891 It’s illegal in the UK to cycle on a motorway. They’re actually the only roads in the UK built exclusively for motor vehicles.
The Dutch do a far better of job of keeping pedestrians and cyclists self-contained and separated away from motor vehicles.
I think it's mainly because almost every driver is also a cyclist, so criticising either group would mean criticising oneself!
Well when you start paying road tax and insurance you can complane
how many times - everyone pays road tax and most cyclists are also drivers ffs!
I Know I am the second person to tell you that we all pay for the upkeep of the roads But because you are a GBN viewer you need to hear it several times so ...We all pay for the roads from Income tax and council tax....We all pay for the roads....glen.....we all pay for the roads.
why should British people be held 'accountable' by foreign rubbish like Richi sunak ? . . . .Mahna Carta Law has to return . .. !
What the fuck is Mahna Carta law ?
@@nigelground283 BRITISH LAW . . .IT MUST RETURN ...'SUNAK' IS ILLEGAL . .. .
Ok Alan , Just remember that there is help out there, you sound like you need it.@@alanhargreaves-thevoiceofr2361
for the presenter and others that keep saying this. ROAD TAX DOES NOT EXIST! you pay based on emmissions.
Hard work, isn’t it…
@cb465 .... Call is wtf you like .... its still a tax to use the roads, But now the government can charge EVEN MORE for some vehicles !!!
@@mikeford5106 20% VAT on a road bicycle is a tax to use the road then.
@@mikeford5106 It isn't. Its Vehicle Excise Duty. It's specifically a tax on your motor vehicle based on how much emissions it produces. It's not specifically a tax for using your on the road. The vast majority of funding for the roads comes from all the other taxes we pay, income tax, council tax, VAT, etc.
@@andywilliams7323 This is where I point to my wife’s Fiat 500 Twinair - which is VED exempt - and ask whether it should be allowed to use the roads.
there needs to be big investment for proper cycle lanes or make the roads wider .painting lines on roads and pavements and calling them cycle lanes doesn't cut it 😂..just annoys everyone drivers just want to get home but can't overtake so are forced to stick behind ppl for miles doing 8mph thinking I pay insurance petrol tax mot etc so they get even more pissed off .. majority of drivers think this..I also ride a motorcycle so I understand some of vulnerabilitys of cyclists too it can be scary for them cars wizzing past pulling out in front of them.. then there's pedestrian walking on footpaths getting taken clean out. it's all nuts can all be fixed with investment and enforcing it.
And the CYCLISTS SHOULD PAY for these improvemants ! ...... Not the overtaxed motorists !!!
I agree, but it's very unlikely to happen. The Dutch have a good cycle infrastructure, but they started installing it in the 1960's. Their budget also exceeds the UK one (allowing for population differences) just to maintain it, so it'll take many decades to install such a system here. I think we just have to accept that for the foreseeable future cyclists and drivers will have to share the same road space. It will get safer for cyclists as cyclist numbers increase. Currently drivers rarely encounter a cyclist on many roads, so they don't drive as if there will be a cyclist around every corner or at every junction. When they regularly encounter cyclists on every road, tey'll drive accordingly.
@@mikeford5106 Cyclists do pay for those improvements. We all pay for those improvements. Funding for the roads comes from all of the taxes we all pay, income tax, council tax, fuel duty, VAT etc. All of our taxes, including Vehicle Excise Duty (wrongly labelled road tax), go into a single Government funding pot which is then disrupted where it is needed. Defence, NHS, Education, infrastructure, including our roads, etc. The majority of funding for road infrastructure does not specifically come from Vehicle Excise Duty alone. Vehicle Excise Duty on its own does not provide enough funding. The majority of funding for our roads comes from all the other taxes we all pay.
if the cyclists are vehicles then why arent they having to have insurance and a test of some description?
Because they are an unpowered vehicle ,you know a bit like a pedestrian or a horse. It's easy really but I suppose this is GBN.
@@nigelground283really .. how many pedestrians use the road and not the pavements ? or run red lights ? how many pedestrians have been injured by cyclists ? has a horse owner my horses are all insured , if someone gets injured through my horses fault they can claim for damages , cyclists are legally allowed to ride two abreast the same width has a car , insurance ought to be part of using the road s !
Pedesrians can only use the road around my way as there aren't any pavements. You only have to press your finger on a keyboard to find out who cause the most road traffic accidents ,It is the driver who is responsible for the care of vunerable road users . It doesn't matter what you think should be law ,It is what It is ,If you drive a car and don't think that the 16 year old riding his bike in front of you doesn't have his head up his arse then you have no buisness behind a wheel. @@willpp9999
I think it was Chris Boardman who described a bike as a walking aid. I think a cyclist and bike weighing around 100kg and travelling at 15mph has greater similarity with a pedestrian weighing 75kg and travelling at 3 mph, than with a car weighing 1200kg and travelling at up to 70mph.
@@southwirralcyclist1986 He’s got a point there. But Boardman can shut up about carbon emissions seeing as he has six kids 🤣
The number plate thing is hilarious. Do we put numbers plates on people. There’s a lot of people running around committing crimes that can’t be held to account. Where’s the accountability??????????? . I genuinely think it’s a small handful of people in cars on bikes that are the problem . It’s not the mass . But generally the attitude towards cyclists has always been bad . This rebellious behaviour from some cyclists seems to be a attentional middle finger to motorists that’s been caused by bad experiences
CCTV captures images of criminals. If cyclists had number plates it would make it alot easier to fine them for being ijits running lights etc.
@@user-ct1nm5he7f CCTV? You would have definitely snitched on the people who hid Ann Frank.
Cyclists should have to pass a test like car drivers do to prove they are safe to be on the road. Seems utterly daft to me that it is legal for a 7 year old kid on a push bike to be allowed to cycle on a road full of 60 tonne lorries doing 60 mph. Completely unsafe and dangerous to everyone.
The goodwill has been lost ever since riding 2 or 3 abreast has been taken as a biking thing to block cars, plus bikes can break speed limits but cars can't lawfully but it's the moving road block that's done it, I used to cycle years ago and have had some near misses I dodged, cyclists lost the respect so 90% them to blame for this
It is legal to ride two abreast on a road. The benefit for cyclists is increased visibility and the length of the obstruction for a driver is shortened when passing large groups
Sadly there is no'one anymore to enforce law on our streets, every weekend I get Quad bikes doing wheelies 4abreast in front of my home, doing 40mph, they terrorise the whole village for the past 12 months and has been in the local press, nothing will be done unless someone dies first.
People get annoyed at cyclists, because bicycles are clearly outmoded. Look at it this way: for calculations, would you see an adult using an abacus today - of course not, because it would be very inefficient in the context of today's science and technology (even with no electricity, I'd use the tables I learned). It's the same with bicycles - adults did use bicycles in the past if there was no train nearby, but todays technology has moved well beyond that - like the abacus, a bicycle is for children.
typical childish comment
Wake up Red knight ,we only get on our bikes to annoy you, ya Doofus.
There is an element of self-righteousness in certain, not all, bicyclists: that they're polluting less, so therefore _anybody_ driving a car should defer the right of way for them, that cyclists are always in the right regardless of specific circumstances because they are more environmentally virtuous. This needs to be confronted openly and clamped down upon unless it's okay with you that the person with the worst behavior controls the situation.
They do seem to think they own the roads even though they have never paid any taxes.
If you had an ounce of brain matter you would know that the roads are paid for out of general taxation, which in simple terms means that we all pay for them .
Every taxpayer pays for the roads. Not just motorists.
hahahahha my arm nearly came off ffs lolololol
I nearly been hit 3 times as a pedestrian by a cyclist at my workplace. At night with no lghts, no helmet, no reflective gear. Totally invisible! No road tax, no license, no test and insurance.
That’s irresponsible riding. But there’s no such thing as road tax. And how do you know they weren’t insured?
@@beardedtit7692 someone who doesn't even have light's on their bike at night definitely doesn't have insurance.
@@garygreen1782 That’s an assumption.
@@beardedtit7692 talk sense
@beardedtit7692 not an assumption as the person riding with no lights wouldn't be covered by thier insurance as they were riding with no lights or helmet same as if a car drove down a dark road with no lights and had an accident
PAY ROAD TAX AND INSURANCE AND MOT DISPLAY LIGHTS USE SIGNALS AND DISPLAY A VALID REGISTRATION NUMBER SO PEOPLE CAN REPORT THEM DANGEROUS CYCLING,,,,
ITS A MUST, IF I GET INTO POWER THE CYCLE WILL BE HIT WITH INSURANCE, MOT, ROAD TAX, REG NUMBERS,,, AND WILL BE OFTEN STOPPED BY POLICE FOR A CHECK MAKING SURE THEY ARE LEGAL!!!
Was worse in the 80ts,,,
You have to bring back road tax then. It was abolished in the 1930s by Winston Churchill.
Dan Walker could have avoided his accident in Sheffield by following a dedicated cycle path, but, no, he's above all that like most cyclists.
They should pay a nominal road tax, and pay insurance, as they cause more damage to queing cars when under taking them.
Cyclists would be the only road users that pay road tax in that case. Road tax was abolished in the 1930s.
For fucks sake Russ ,we all pay for the roads ,It comes out of our income tax and council tax .
Cyclists are a law unto themselves,, red lights what are they ,, zebra crossing road decorations,, one way streets well I am only going oneway,, pavements there where the people walk but we still use them,,, cycle lanes why bother if there is a pavement,, hand signals only one finger if a motorist upsets them,,, they pay no road tax or insurance yet expect other road users to be nice to them.
There’s no such thing as road tax.
Cyclists think they're saving the environment by creating a mile or two tailbacks with every vehicle driving in low gears because they can't get past and they burn up plenty of that dinosaur juice...
And there was me thinking that you just overtook them regardless of whether you had room or not.
@nigelground283 when there's a bin lorry or a bus or a constant flow of traffic on the opposite side of the road, its very efficient and lots of fun doing 10 in a 30 zone. It's great on fuel consumption as well
@@northcliffe4lyfefunny that ,I ride into town most days in busy traffic with car after car overtaking me , and the best bit comes when I see their faces at the traffic lights after I overtake them and get to the front of the queue then we start the whole little charade over again until we all get into town at the same time except they have more trouble parking and I look really smug.
@nigelground283 well you just seem like a delightfully smug person.
I am when some arsehole cuts me up and I then overtake then at the lights,you wouldnt believe how smug I am. @@northcliffe4lyfe
Bikes need to be treated like all other vehicles using roads, in that they should have number plates so that, just with other vehicles, if the "driver" behaves badly they can be picked up over this. I only cycle off road as all roads are too dangerous for bikes. It's not the cyclists' fault that roads are unsuitable for bikes: we do need to provide alternate bike routes wherever possible so cyclists can get to and from major locations safely. This would also benefit motorised vehicles as they would not be held up by cycles, and these many clashes between cyclists and motorised vehicle users would not occur.
No, they shouldn't. The speed difference alone makes it highly dangerous. Are you seriously suggesting letting cyclists on highways?
No? Then STFU already with your 'treated like all other vehicles using roads' bs.
A learner driver! So years of experience then🤔🤣
I have had 50+ years experience with three speeding tickets and think that any driver who doesn't treat a cyclist as an equal road user is a bit of a dick.@@dogbreaththe3rd851
I like to ride my bicycle, bicycle , bicycle.....
But when in doubt, knock 1 out !!!!!!
Roads were made for cars...
Restrict bicycles into the pavements ONLY and priority for pedestrians.
All PROBLEMS solved..😅
Most roads were built for horses and carts. So how do you explain that one? Motorways are the only roads in the UK built exclusively for motor vehicles.
The problem would be on the way to being solved if you went back to school and learned some stuff. Please tell me you don't drive.
I cannot stand them!
well they don't like you much either .
@@nigelground283 😂
bikes should be insured and test
The amount of cyclists i see riding around at night with dark clothing and no lights, no helmet is staggering.
make sure you drive sensibly then.
@@nigelground283 so i have to take responsibility for someone elses dumb actions? Don't think so.
Lights are a legal requirement, but light clothing or a helmet aren't. I agree though that wearing light cloting and a helmet is advisable. All cars should also be yellow or orange and soft tops shouldn't be permitted.
Cyclist should be insured and have to have past a test and be fined if they break the rules of the road.
So how do teens get about ?
They take a test and their parents insure them
No DD, just don't drive like a twat. If you haven't learned by now that drivers are in a lethal weapon and cyclists are vunerable road users however stupid you may think they are then you have no right to be behind a wheel.@@DD-gt2cv
@@JC-un4bg Take a test and get their parents to insure them....How else. I didnt say it was age restricted.
EVERYONE pays road tax
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Love the way this guy hasn't even passed his driving test and already wants to rewrite the Highway code .
That's a very snarky way of saying you don't have any actual arguments against what he's saying. You're trying to defame him, which is a clear indicator you're too stupid to come up with an actual relevant argument.
The lady is nuts. Clearly the liberal 'everything I say is correct for everyone' mentality. And ofcourse SHE never does ANYTHING wrong. It's only the CARS fault.
While she admits at the same time she doesn't obey the rules herself, as she sticks out her arm without looking. Which is against the rules.
They should be made to pay road tax same as e scooters you use road you pay tax
Oh be quiet, and educate yourself, simian.