Agree! I never had seen the potential of this move until I started playing challenge runs (nuzlockes e.g.) and changing my gamestyle into longer fights with set-up strats. I look at you, Emerald Azumarill! It's ability Huge Power + setting up Defense Curls to sweep through even harder battles felt so satisfacting :-D
I've debated this for a long time doing and watching playthroughs on youtube. Gen 1 and 2 runs are impacted massively by pokemon that learn bodyslam in gen 1, and pokemon that learn rollout in gen 2, and also the ubiquitous nature of return. I can't tell if the moves should be banned or not for myself. A series doing gen 1 and 2 with bodyslam tm and return tm banned would fascinate me.
I love the swing from "completely destroyed in this battle" to "a complete sweep by koffing" in a few of these battles. Really shows just how important the right move is.
hello person scrolling by, hope you have a good rest of your day. also, idc how well koffing will do but he’s gonna do his best, look at his face- that’s the face of an inner champion
Koffing and Weezing (the original Kanto forms), mean the absolute world to me. They had such cool designs to me (such a lovely shade of purple) with all the gasses and everything. I also had a few different trading cards of Weezing and especially koffing of the first few original sets of the pokemon TCG, and those mons just bring me back to far happier times. I also had for many, many years a rule in every single playthrough of Pokemon that I did. That rule was that I had to use at least one poison type Pokemon. This was long before fairy types, and was due solely to me liking the typing and somehow thinking that poison types were able to better use the status poison. Koffing and Weezing usually took that poison type slot if they were obtainable. Also, in pokemon go, I tried for a few years to get a shiny Kanto Weezing with good stats, and I managed to get a shiny, near perfect stats, and purified Weezing that I gave a third move and got it to best buddy rank. That specific pokemon is special to me. Also, to me personally Koffing and Weezing has extremely cool move sets with attacks like toxic, flamethrower, and explosion. Long story short, I love seeing Koffing in any and all forms, so that you for making my day by making this video.
IT'S HAPPENING IT'S HAPPENING Okay but for real I love how happy Koffing is. His job is to poison people and explode and he's just delighted to do it. Absolute chaos energy.
I just realized something... you forgot to say hello to Denis. I really like the new layout and listing format change. Makes the results way more easier to comprehend. I get the feeling Ground is only as useful as it is because the Steel Type is so heavily shown through Magnemite and Steelix with Jasmine. I wonder when Hidden Power Fire is ever going to get any use...
I love Koffing! Such a cute, happy little guy! I wish I could hug it; I love Poison types! Miiiight be my favorite, but I’m not sure, I do love Fighting types, too.
Can’t wait to see more single stage runs in Gen 2! I also like the solution to Hidden Power with it being banned in the first playthrough to make it feel more like how most people would play it.
koffing is a pokemon with very thin skin filled with poisonous gases, is a miracle he's even able to tackle without exploding, let alone headbutting. (yes koffing is one of my favourite pokemon and I've read his dex more times than I'd like to admit)
Mmh.. perhaps Koffing getting frozen so often is a reference to really cold temperatures being able to contain viruses for millennia; Koffing is really just striving to make us learn things even when it's doing a speedrun; so thoughtful.
I think the main reason we do sprout tower first is because how good of exp all those low level Bellsprouts are, especially for anything that resists vine whip.
Interesting idea, running the first one without, then the second run with Hidden Power. Should be interesting to see what your solutions for obstacles will be 👍
I respect how you respond to comments and actually take them into consideration! I like the idea you came up with for hidden power that way all your new times are able to compete with the Pokémon you already played with.
This solution was suggested in a comment! Reading everything really helps make the content so much better. I am so grateful that everyone is so engaged! We all benefit because of it.
Thanks for going in depth on why you considered banning hidden power. When you first mentioned it the idea seemed really bizarre because I never really payed much attention to it in any video outside of guessing the type at the beginning. I think the discrepancy comes from my expectations of the video, essentially I already know that you've done a complete video and it goes all the way to Red and there's a second run with improvements, and those are the things I look forward to. The other factor is the editing, the sections with really obvious outcomes are skipped and everything that's been shown a lot in past videos are trimmed down a lot. So when you're doing the motions in mid game Johto, it being quick and uneventful is the expectation, and I've never really thought "man it would be so much more interesting if he struggled against Chuck and Jasmine more". All that said this video has convinced me that the second run only method is fantastic, seeing the slot machine in a speed run is just hilarious.
Great run Scott! I knew Koffing wouldn’t be A-C tier but i do like how you’re going to implement hidden power in the second play through ! I enjoy it for both but it is a Nice compromise for those who don’t.
Hi Scott! Long time subscriber here. I wanted to say that your production quality and attention to detail in these latest videos has been honestly incredible. Can't wait to see how much further your creativity continues to grow with the channel. :)
As usual - awesome video! I never liked Koffing or poison types in general, but I really enjoyed this run. I have ~86 of your solo-run & your versus videos saved to a playlist. I look forward to going through each of them + the new ones that you will upload. I love your content / style.
@Scott's Thoughts Sure have! I double-checked the playlist, and there are 86 of them. I do not think that I missed any - but it is possible with that many lol.
Hmm, well there are less powerful Psychic types to worry about and Koffing has access to slightly more type diversifying moves here (Flamethrower, Rollout, Thief, Hidden Power) than in Gen 1, so I think Koffing has better chances here. I look forward to the results. 5:34 - An yet still somehow not the worse move that exists given Constrict is a thing. Smog also has a real lengthy attack animation for it as well, so even if it does hit, it takes an eternity for it to hit. An yes, I too would also take on Sprout Tower before Falkner, every single time! 8:07 - Always did like the Week Siblings concept; it was a fun surprise stumbling upon them for the first time, particularly as a kid. 11:19 - Ghost types resisting Poison is certainly one of the rarer type interactions I feel. Poison types are generally one of my preferred types and I even I forget about this fact. 14:24 - It certainly helps that text-boxes go by much quicker than cutscenes with shifting camera angles and expression pauses. Poor Hop; he has an unfortunate legacy. 18:17 - Koffee is the unstoppable rolling poisonous puffball of doom! Surprising but entertaining to witness Rollout manage to take out a Steel type so easily and then steamroll through the entire rival's team. It seems Koffee's poor accuracy wasn't an issue here. 24:36 - Scott's Thoughts truly fell onto hard times here, succumbing to the urge to gamble. To be fair with your luck based opposition to relying on the gambling, your plan is to use Fire Blast, which with it's accuracy, already feels like you're going a luck based route. I wouldn't have considered Koffing a gambling themed Pokémon but I guess Koffee is here. 30:24 - Oh my gosh; Karen potion stalled you. The fiend! An hey, your prediction of Karen causing Koffee to reset was correct. 34:32 - Agreed, particularly given that Pewter City has the fossil showcasing museum, so it feels perfectly fitting for Brock to use the fossil Pokémon in his team. 48:44 - A strange case of being both very unlucky followed by very lucky played out here... or in the latter Hitmonchan's case, just the computer being a bit dumb. Hilarious to witness though.
I like Koffing too. It was my first pokemon plush and I always have him with me when I can. I knew that it wouldn't be that high tier but I like getting to see Koffing in a run. Hoping for Poliwag in Gen 2 in the future, though that's my hoping. Please keep up the good work and great videos.
Fun fact, Rapidash, a pokemon you would expect to be quite fast, isn't actually among the fastest pokemon. Its not even in the top 10 in gen 1, with gen 2 introducing another 6 to outspeed to not quite rapid fire horse. Rapidash is tied for 11th in gen 1 and 17th in gen 2.
Discovered you around a week ago and I've been binging! I used to be really big into Pokemon and stopped playing after Gen 7 starting all the way back in the Gen 1 days. Watching you gave me the desire to get an emulator again and play through Crystal for the first time in years! So fun! I love all your insiders like Venomoth's type, The Hiker (Bruno), Dome Fossil is the correct choice, etc. I watched many of your recent videos and started going back to your older stuff and I'm so impressed with how much you've grown as a content creator! My person favorite video from you so far is Dragonite Vs. Tyranitar (probably because I love those 2 Pokemon so much!). Keep up the good work! I know your style of content can get really frustrating but part of what's enjoyable is how your personality comes through so much in your playthroughs, including those frustrating Sand Attack bits lol! You're awesome Scott! Hi Dennis.
Hey @kylebaker5355 thanks for the comment. It makes me so happy to hear that my videos have given you the desire to get an emulator and play Crystal again. I hope you enjoy your playthrough!
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Pokemon really is the best! Gen 2 is my favorite. I love how janky movesets are and then you get Curse or Rest/Sleep Talk and all of a sudden you're unstoppable lol.
16:18 Always glad to help one of my favorite content creators improve their already stellar videos. While I'm sure I wasn't the only one to suggest this idea, I'm happy that it was an idea you liked!
Gen 2 encourages the use of a few OP strategies. Hidden power isnt really an issue, if you wanted to ban easy answers you'd probably have to ban rollout, return, and curse which just sounds like torture in what is the longest and least varied of the pokemon generations.
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon My goodness you really do read all these lol. In any case love to see the channel grow and you improve over time! Keep up the good work!
I love gen 2, it was one of the first main series games I got. I had it on my 2ds, and spent a long time in it. I didn’t know about most hidden items, but I did get a bunch of the secrets like the tyrogue and the soft sand. I even got aeroy. Keep up the content!
Also a hidden power guide would be cool I’ve been playing solo runs now thanks to you but on gold version so much fun and I’m so glad I found your channel Scott you put out great content keep up the good work ❤
I always kinda thought it was weird how my Mom would always watch these old shows from her childhood, but I get it now 😆 Thanks for keeping Pokemon alive and interesting ❤️ Love ya brother
Welcome to the channel. From you profile pic I can see that you and I are cut from the same cloth! I played so much SCBW and SC2. Protoss main unfortunately… haha
Thank you for moving Speed to the bottom! It's so much easier on the eyes now that it's where it should be. I've been wanting to comment on this for a while, but didn't want to seem like I was complaining or nitpicking. xD
Hey man I'm really glad you are finding more ways to monetize your content. That's always great to see content creators not be tied to just TH-cam checks. It's great to see.
I have a theory on the denial of access to Headbutt. I think more than anything, I think you'll need a neck for a move like Headbutt. Koffing, being simply a head, is essentially using Body Slam when it uses Headbutt. 😝
@@Religion0 I definitely agree. However, What’s the catalyst for the fire and what’s the conductor for the electricity? Fire needs a heat source so does it just heat it’s own gas. I guess koffing would have to literally be made of carbon being it’s the only gas that’s noxious in high quantities, can ignite, and produce electricity? But carbon generally has to be powdered to combust so idk. I’m not sure there’s really a good explanation.
Although I still find videos with unevolved mons far less interesting than ones with evolved mons I did like how for Koffing's first playthrough it got several resets against Kanto Gym Leaders. I was also surprised at how quickly you managed to beat Red in that playthrough.
Awesome start to the year with your Gen 2 videos. Glad to see the hidden power strat is more interesting to you already with a Fire Blast Koffing learnset lol
Rarely I like videos before I've watched them until the end. The Hidden Power rule made me like the video prematurely. I'll look more forward to Johto playtroughs!
I can’t believe how slowly you talk, I had to check that TH-cam wasn’t playing at less than full speed. On 1.5x speed it finally seems like a normal person talking.
Runs without hidden power are 100% more interesting. It’s so much more entertaining to see you have to overcome obstacles to find a way to progress instead of a single move covering your biggest roadblocks. Also I think that not using hidden power is more representative of the Pokémon that your using and it’s strengths and weaknesses. Regardless love your videos, I’ll be looking forward to becoming a member!
It also means that there can be a hidden second tier; Pokémon that are that good naturally and Pokémon that need Hidden Power to become that good. It’s similar to the Double Team move: if you need it, you suck. Unlike Double Team, if you need Hidden Power, you just have a bad movepool.
Dear Scott, thank you for another gem! Couple of things I would like to weigh in on: 1. I am in complete agreement regarding your approach to Hidden Power going forward. It will be extremely interesting to see how Pokemon with very limited movesets would prevail against formidable foes such as Jasmine and Claire without Hidden Power Ground & Ice in the back of their pockets in their first playthroughs. And what difference the Hidden Power TM would make for them. 2. Regarding this particular game, you could have sold the Charcoal which, to my surprise to this day, costs $9800 while other type boosting held items only cost $50 or $100. I see the reasoning why you would want to hold on to it to boost Fire Blast's effective power (not sure if it actually affected any damage ranges), but perhaps if in your future playthroughs where you will have to save money for another, non-Fire Blast item, you will remember that Charcoal can be sold for $9800 and it can save you a bunch of time.
Gym 1's Pidgeotto used gust instead of mud-slap against a poison type? Interesting, that suggests that basically only electric types will ever have to worry about both of the birds using Mud-slap due to being weak to ground *and* resisting flying. Though for them, they can probably get through gym 1 pretty quickly. Still, it's nice to see a small boon for the other ground-weak types in gen 2, as Yellow version is basically all about how well you can deal with ground types. Hopefully that won't be the case in Crystal as well! Edit: If I had to guess, I imagine Return doesn't bother you as much is because Return doesn't really 'solve problems'. While it's a powerful move that can be a bit centralizing, the only 'problem' that it really solves is a pokemon having a terrible moveset where they don't have any good moves, at which point you're probably suffering and (relatively) miserable during the playthrough anyway so it's just a breath of fresh air. Hidden Power on the other-hand removes a lot of the fun and creativity that you may explore, like getting Fire-blast here which isn't something you'd even think about before and has you learning something new about these games you love. Hidden Power turns basically all road-blocks into a question of "Are you a physical attacker or special attacker?" and then using HP Ground or HP Ice as a result. While return probably just saves you time grinding as the power it gives you could always be achieved by gaining another 10 or 20 levels.
The way you say "Over a damage rounding threshold" and "this section of the game" Has the same vibe as LockPickingLawyer's "The pick the BosnianBill and I made" and "Nice click on 3"
I like seeing hidden power be used in both the first and second playthrough. I think you should keep it as is. It has a lot of fun and gives the Pokemon a unique way to solve problems. Without it, you would just be leveling up to solve the problem at best. Keep listening to the vast majority that like it. We like it. Keep using it in both playthroughs.
I honestly think that Explosion should be allowed. Barely anything learns it and it's a big part of some pokemon's identities. It would be something like TM32 rule in gen 1 - don't teach Explosion but if a pokemon gets it - it's fair game.
Hi Scott, great video as always. I wanted to tell you that if you ever need to gamble in gen 2's game corner ever again you should use the lucky slot machine in either of the two game corners. There's a video by a person called Crystal_ called "Pokemon G/S/C - A look at the inner-workings of slot machines" you could look up for more details.
Well I'm sold on the hidden power change. I feel like it works either way, but it was really amusing watching you gamble with coins to get Koffing fire blast before Jasmine. Hidden power also does give pokemon a way around some of the hardest fights in the game (Jasmine, Claire, and Lance) when they would otherwise really struggle there, so its certainly interesting to see playthroughs without it. It does seem like ground and ice are just far and away the best hidden powers for 90% of pokemon in this game, which can be a bit boring, so I understand why you feel like its more interesting without the tm.
I'm thrilled to say the least for this video. I looooove Koffing. I think koffing will make a much better solo playthrough than in gen 1. It won't smash through the game by any means, but I'm hopeful
Hey Scott. Love your videos. Just to mention it. If you ever gamble for a tm in goldenrod again: there is one machine which is easier to win at. Try to look it up. Normally an nps sits before it but on special days he doesn't. Could speed up getting enough coins. Keep going what you do and if you mention it in a video I would love, that you give a shout out to the best eeveelution Umbreon!
Koffing got a better time in crystal then in yellow, that's nice to have a strong poison move like sludge bomb. 💪 I really like Koffing's back sprite, I like how silly it's smile is. 😋I can't imagine how it's using curse (because the Japanese name of that move is noroi, which is like a cruse of bad luck) 🤔.. But anyways cruse and protect, and leftovers are the best to use, especially for a physical attacker like Koffing. And as for hidden power, I think that from a point of a speedrun, that's okay to use, because it's like the gen 1's mimic in my opinion. For me as causal player, I wouldn't try to use it, because I want the game to be harder for me. So thanks for showing both of the approaches. Watching Koffing one shoting Koga's team with non stab fire blast, was really fun. 😂
I agree both that Hidden Power patches moveset issues a bit too much and that it adds enough depth to the playthrough to not be an obvious ban. The current in-between solution is really good.
The Game Corner has ways to increase consistency. IIRC a certain machine has a "Super Luck Mode" where when its in it, you win once every three spins. So its really easy to get into it with resetting.
Hey Scott! Great video as usual! :) Just a little tip if you'll ever need to go to the casino again for some coins. If you go to the last slot machines at the right of the casino, you'll find another game which is much faster and easier to get the coins you need. You just need to "cheat" using the saving states of the emulator, but I'm pretty sure it will take you much less time than the regular slot machines 😉
I have not watched it yet, but I do want to say that I am a believer in selfdestruct moves, and would definitely consider them valid. Firstly, it's part of a pokemon's identity and the moves aren't broken or overpowered imo. Secondly, whilst the user faint, it can win a battle doing so if used on the last pokemon, giving THEM the solo victory nontheless. So if thou decides to start using thy moves, thou hast my blessing! I'd actually think i'd be funny to have an alomst guarantee K.O. against everyone's Ace.
As the type of kid who would try to surf everywhere possible, I did find the Soft Sand on my own! There are probably a lot of hidden items I never found (I've seen some in these videos that I wasn't aware of) but I think I've found almost everything in the first five gens on my own (barring really convoluted acquisition methods). Comes with talking to everyone possible for the most part. XD
Hey Scott, I've only just started to watch the video and I can see the following moves on the possible learnset...so here is my early prediction for endgame moves ;) Return Curse Rest Sleep talk Can't wait to watch the video!!
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon I still haven't finished watching the first playthrough yet. I'm trying to be a good boy and watch parts of the video in my study breaks today! Ps. i evolved my metapod support on patreon into a butterfree today! Thanks for all the great content
Scott I can see why you changed it, but I really liked the old stats placement because it put Atk next to SpA and Def next to SpD, which was useful for instantly understanding at a glance why certain moves are preferable, and other analogous situations. I'm sure you considered this though and just prefered the consistency with the enemy overlay. In any case, hi Denis.
That is why I did it like that before. The comment that made me change it was that someone who was colour blind struggle to relate it to the enemy stats on the other side of the screen. Speed really has to be at the bottom of that list so I changed it on the left side to accommodate.
I think Return is noncontroversial. It's fair that anyone can use it, and it's fair that physical attackers (especially normal types) uniquely benefit from it, at least in my opinion.
the little fella did very well, I thought it'd be so much worse, back down in the Bruno tier like in Yellow, imagine how good Weezing might be. I like what you're doing with HP, it can be a game changer for some Pokemon and you show that very well. I had a thought of a run you could try for Emerald (or Fire Red) Kecleon. the stats are nothing special (although the spc Def is quite good) similar to Hypno (Hypno in Gen 3 is awesome as well BTW) but its ability is unique and you'd have a lot of fun with it, it changes its type to whatever move last hit it.
With your signature use of Damage Rounding Thresholds, you should really make a T-shirt featuring that Koffing with the anime eyes. With text underneath reading "Playing DRT", since it can be read as "dirty", in reference to the Sludge and Smog moves. Kind of an in-joke.
Honestly I feel like he should let himself use Self destruct, its a core aspect of the pokemon, so making it so that he literally cant use it, the pokemon has it as a level move. Not using it just makes the run more generic, and being able to kamikaze the last pokemon is exactly how this little dude is supposed to be used. I get that its a solo pokemon run, but it just feels wrong to not let the dude use what is clearly a signature move of the line because of the solo pokemon rules, in this case. Learning it by TM for a strategy would be stupid and make the runs more generic, but this actually makes this little guy interesting, instead of a little sad ball of gas that poisons things, maybe, sometimes.
The trainer with the Hitmonchan defrosting you was Bruno. The GSC Bruno is a different Bruno, they fired the original RBY Bruno, took his pokemon away and released him into the woods.
Ironically you can skip sprout tower but I never do just so I can get more experience before going into the gym. However in the remakes for Gold and Silver it is actually mandatory to gain access to the gym. Got to love fighting all those Bellsprouts lol
Love you videos, I watch them all. I will say hidden power does take away from these runs for me. It takes away the different hurdles in the game that each different pokemon gets and the unique ways they can overcome them. To me it's like Tm for double team. For most pokemon even the "bad ones" only have one or two places in the run that they truely struggle with. It is different for every pokemon. Using hidden power to get over that hump takes away some of the interest. Just my thoughts.
Exactly why I'm not going to use it in initial playthroughs anymore. But banning it from second playthroughs really doesn't make sense, because I want to see just how fast the Pokemon can go.
Great content. Also, I’m really glad you’re not one of those “haha wouldn’t it be hilarious if you guys subscribed?” TH-camrs who constantly whines about the subscriber to viewer ratio lol.
Honestly, you could make a whole Gen II series just based around Pokemon with or without the Rollout TM. It's such a gamechanger.
Agree!
I never had seen the potential of this move until I started playing challenge runs (nuzlockes e.g.) and changing my gamestyle into longer fights with set-up strats. I look at you, Emerald Azumarill!
It's ability Huge Power + setting up Defense Curls to sweep through even harder battles felt so satisfacting :-D
He should make a series in general 😂
@@a.r.4822 Rollout Tepig! Probably my most recent rollout sweeper in a challenge.
I've debated this for a long time doing and watching playthroughs on youtube. Gen 1 and 2 runs are impacted massively by pokemon that learn bodyslam in gen 1, and pokemon that learn rollout in gen 2, and also the ubiquitous nature of return. I can't tell if the moves should be banned or not for myself. A series doing gen 1 and 2 with bodyslam tm and return tm banned would fascinate me.
There's basically four tiers
1. Gets the elemental punches
2. Gets rollout and defence curl
3. Gets rollout
4. Everything else
I love the swing from "completely destroyed in this battle" to "a complete sweep by koffing" in a few of these battles. Really shows just how important the right move is.
hello person scrolling by, hope you have a good rest of your day.
also, idc how well koffing will do but he’s gonna do his best, look at his face- that’s the face of an inner champion
You too :)
I hope you have a good rest of your day too! Thanks for sharing the good vibes. I love it :D
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Koffing and Weezing (the original Kanto forms), mean the absolute world to me. They had such cool designs to me (such a lovely shade of purple) with all the gasses and everything. I also had a few different trading cards of Weezing and especially koffing of the first few original sets of the pokemon TCG, and those mons just bring me back to far happier times. I also had for many, many years a rule in every single playthrough of Pokemon that I did. That rule was that I had to use at least one poison type Pokemon. This was long before fairy types, and was due solely to me liking the typing and somehow thinking that poison types were able to better use the status poison. Koffing and Weezing usually took that poison type slot if they were obtainable. Also, in pokemon go, I tried for a few years to get a shiny Kanto Weezing with good stats, and I managed to get a shiny, near perfect stats, and purified Weezing that I gave a third move and got it to best buddy rank. That specific pokemon is special to me. Also, to me personally Koffing and Weezing has extremely cool move sets with attacks like toxic, flamethrower, and explosion. Long story short, I love seeing Koffing in any and all forms, so that you for making my day by making this video.
You're welcome! (I love Koffing too, can't wait to give Weezing a go later this year.)
IT'S HAPPENING IT'S HAPPENING
Okay but for real I love how happy Koffing is. His job is to poison people and explode and he's just delighted to do it. Absolute chaos energy.
I just realized something... you forgot to say hello to Denis. I really like the new layout and listing format change. Makes the results way more easier to comprehend. I get the feeling Ground is only as useful as it is because the Steel Type is so heavily shown through Magnemite and Steelix with Jasmine. I wonder when Hidden Power Fire is ever going to get any use...
I love Koffing! Such a cute, happy little guy! I wish I could hug it; I love Poison types! Miiiight be my favorite, but I’m not sure, I do love Fighting types, too.
Same ❤
I really loved that area where the soft sand is, I'm so glad it doesn't box you in completely and make you back track to get those items.
Can’t wait to see more single stage runs in Gen 2! I also like the solution to Hidden Power with it being banned in the first playthrough to make it feel more like how most people would play it.
Exactly! And then we get the science in playthrough 2. I think this run proved just how much Hidden Power rolls off the difficulty.
koffing is a pokemon with very thin skin filled with poisonous gases, is a miracle he's even able to tackle without exploding, let alone headbutting.
(yes koffing is one of my favourite pokemon and I've read his dex more times than I'd like to admit)
Mmh.. perhaps Koffing getting frozen so often is a reference to really cold temperatures being able to contain viruses for millennia; Koffing is really just striving to make us learn things even when it's doing a speedrun; so thoughtful.
I think the main reason we do sprout tower first is because how good of exp all those low level Bellsprouts are, especially for anything that resists vine whip.
Interesting idea, running the first one without, then the second run with Hidden Power. Should be interesting to see what your solutions for obstacles will be 👍
I respect how you respond to comments and actually take them into consideration! I like the idea you came up with for hidden power that way all your new times are able to compete with the Pokémon you already played with.
This solution was suggested in a comment! Reading everything really helps make the content so much better. I am so grateful that everyone is so engaged! We all benefit because of it.
Thanks for going in depth on why you considered banning hidden power. When you first mentioned it the idea seemed really bizarre because I never really payed much attention to it in any video outside of guessing the type at the beginning.
I think the discrepancy comes from my expectations of the video, essentially I already know that you've done a complete video and it goes all the way to Red and there's a second run with improvements, and those are the things I look forward to. The other factor is the editing, the sections with really obvious outcomes are skipped and everything that's been shown a lot in past videos are trimmed down a lot.
So when you're doing the motions in mid game Johto, it being quick and uneventful is the expectation, and I've never really thought "man it would be so much more interesting if he struggled against Chuck and Jasmine more".
All that said this video has convinced me that the second run only method is fantastic, seeing the slot machine in a speed run is just hilarious.
Great run Scott! I knew Koffing wouldn’t be A-C tier but i do like how you’re going to implement hidden power in the second play through ! I enjoy it for both but it is a Nice compromise for those who don’t.
Hi Scott! Long time subscriber here. I wanted to say that your production quality and attention to detail in these latest videos has been honestly incredible. Can't wait to see how much further your creativity continues to grow with the channel. :)
Wow, thanks!
As usual - awesome video! I never liked Koffing or poison types in general, but I really enjoyed this run. I have ~86 of your solo-run & your versus videos saved to a playlist. I look forward to going through each of them + the new ones that you will upload. I love your content / style.
Whoa! I’ve made that many videos?! I’m glad you like them :)
@Scott's Thoughts Sure have! I double-checked the playlist, and there are 86 of them. I do not think that I missed any - but it is possible with that many lol.
Scott's Thoughts: TH-cam channel
Scott's actual thoughts: "If I level up one more level, I'm over a damage rounding threshold."
Hmm, well there are less powerful Psychic types to worry about and Koffing has access to slightly more type diversifying moves here (Flamethrower, Rollout, Thief, Hidden Power) than in Gen 1, so I think Koffing has better chances here. I look forward to the results.
5:34 - An yet still somehow not the worse move that exists given Constrict is a thing. Smog also has a real lengthy attack animation for it as well, so even if it does hit, it takes an eternity for it to hit. An yes, I too would also take on Sprout Tower before Falkner, every single time!
8:07 - Always did like the Week Siblings concept; it was a fun surprise stumbling upon them for the first time, particularly as a kid.
11:19 - Ghost types resisting Poison is certainly one of the rarer type interactions I feel. Poison types are generally one of my preferred types and I even I forget about this fact.
14:24 - It certainly helps that text-boxes go by much quicker than cutscenes with shifting camera angles and expression pauses. Poor Hop; he has an unfortunate legacy.
18:17 - Koffee is the unstoppable rolling poisonous puffball of doom! Surprising but entertaining to witness Rollout manage to take out a Steel type so easily and then steamroll through the entire rival's team. It seems Koffee's poor accuracy wasn't an issue here.
24:36 - Scott's Thoughts truly fell onto hard times here, succumbing to the urge to gamble. To be fair with your luck based opposition to relying on the gambling, your plan is to use Fire Blast, which with it's accuracy, already feels like you're going a luck based route. I wouldn't have considered Koffing a gambling themed Pokémon but I guess Koffee is here.
30:24 - Oh my gosh; Karen potion stalled you. The fiend! An hey, your prediction of Karen causing Koffee to reset was correct.
34:32 - Agreed, particularly given that Pewter City has the fossil showcasing museum, so it feels perfectly fitting for Brock to use the fossil Pokémon in his team.
48:44 - A strange case of being both very unlucky followed by very lucky played out here... or in the latter Hitmonchan's case, just the computer being a bit dumb. Hilarious to witness though.
The editing of this video is amazing, and it keeps getting better and better. Those flawless cuts before/after trainer battle are absolutely perfect.
Came here for Dennis, stayed for scott
The secret trainers you can find by backtracking are some of my favorite things in this game
I've been out of town all week and having 10ish hours of days out in the field, watching a Scott's Thoughts videos honestly goes crazy right now
Hidden Power always felt a little cheap but I really like your idea of only using it during the second optimized playthrough
My first ever shiny was a shiny koffing in silver so I'm pretty hyped for this video
I like Koffing too. It was my first pokemon plush and I always have him with me when I can. I knew that it wouldn't be that high tier but I like getting to see Koffing in a run. Hoping for Poliwag in Gen 2 in the future, though that's my hoping. Please keep up the good work and great videos.
Fun fact, Rapidash, a pokemon you would expect to be quite fast, isn't actually among the fastest pokemon. Its not even in the top 10 in gen 1, with gen 2 introducing another 6 to outspeed to not quite rapid fire horse. Rapidash is tied for 11th in gen 1 and 17th in gen 2.
Discovered you around a week ago and I've been binging! I used to be really big into Pokemon and stopped playing after Gen 7 starting all the way back in the Gen 1 days. Watching you gave me the desire to get an emulator again and play through Crystal for the first time in years! So fun! I love all your insiders like Venomoth's type, The Hiker (Bruno), Dome Fossil is the correct choice, etc. I watched many of your recent videos and started going back to your older stuff and I'm so impressed with how much you've grown as a content creator! My person favorite video from you so far is Dragonite Vs. Tyranitar (probably because I love those 2 Pokemon so much!). Keep up the good work! I know your style of content can get really frustrating but part of what's enjoyable is how your personality comes through so much in your playthroughs, including those frustrating Sand Attack bits lol! You're awesome Scott! Hi Dennis.
Hey @kylebaker5355 thanks for the comment. It makes me so happy to hear that my videos have given you the desire to get an emulator and play Crystal again. I hope you enjoy your playthrough!
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Pokemon really is the best! Gen 2 is my favorite. I love how janky movesets are and then you get Curse or Rest/Sleep Talk and all of a sudden you're unstoppable lol.
16:18 Always glad to help one of my favorite content creators improve their already stellar videos. While I'm sure I wasn't the only one to suggest this idea, I'm happy that it was an idea you liked!
I just want to say thank you for moving speed to the last slot! It always threw me seeing it before the specials, ha ha, I'm so used to how it is now
Gen 2 encourages the use of a few OP strategies. Hidden power isnt really an issue, if you wanted to ban easy answers you'd probably have to ban rollout, return, and curse which just sounds like torture in what is the longest and least varied of the pokemon generations.
I love the overlay updates, very quality of life for us viewers! Thanks Scott and programmer homies helping out!
Can’t wait for this one, wonder what hidden power Scott will go for (my money is on ground to deal with steel types)
maybe ice for lance
It’s Ice or Ground like 99% of the time
@milesrodger3724 you've been paying attention ;)
The constant improvements to your UI are incredible and really put you a cut above man! Excellent work as always!
Thanks!
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon My goodness you really do read all these lol. In any case love to see the channel grow and you improve over time! Keep up the good work!
I love gen 2, it was one of the first main series games I got. I had it on my 2ds, and spent a long time in it. I didn’t know about most hidden items, but I did get a bunch of the secrets like the tyrogue and the soft sand. I even got aeroy. Keep up the content!
Also a hidden power guide would be cool I’ve been playing solo runs now thanks to you but on gold version so much fun and I’m so glad I found your channel Scott you put out great content keep up the good work ❤
I’ll try to make hidden power clearer!
I always kinda thought it was weird how my Mom would always watch these old shows from her childhood, but I get it now 😆 Thanks for keeping Pokemon alive and interesting ❤️ Love ya brother
I get it now too!
Scott please dont call it poop-itar 😭 it's like a jumpscare when it comes outta nowhere in the video
My first video I've seen on this channel and loved it. Koffing such an interesting pokemon to solo run, was very interesting and entertaining. Cheers!
Welcome to the channel. From you profile pic I can see that you and I are cut from the same cloth! I played so much SCBW and SC2. Protoss main unfortunately… haha
Thank you for moving Speed to the bottom! It's so much easier on the eyes now that it's where it should be. I've been wanting to comment on this for a while, but didn't want to seem like I was complaining or nitpicking. xD
9:07 I heard you say "HYPER Anthony" and thought 'Whoa, what kind of super tough trainer is THAT! ' :D
I feel like you really put on a clinic in this video, considering some of the hurdles that Koffing had to face.
Thanks!
Hey man I'm really glad you are finding more ways to monetize your content. That's always great to see content creators not be tied to just TH-cam checks. It's great to see.
I have a theory on the denial of access to Headbutt.
I think more than anything, I think you'll need a neck for a move like Headbutt. Koffing, being simply a head, is essentially using Body Slam when it uses Headbutt. 😝
Thunderbolt and flamethrower still throws me off to this day, like why does this get these moves ? 😂 love koffing
A lot of gases are very flammable.
@@Religion0 I definitely agree. However, What’s the catalyst for the fire and what’s the conductor for the electricity? Fire needs a heat source so does it just heat it’s own gas. I guess koffing would have to literally be made of carbon being it’s the only gas that’s noxious in high quantities, can ignite, and produce electricity? But carbon generally has to be powdered to combust so idk. I’m not sure there’s really a good explanation.
Although I still find videos with unevolved mons far less interesting than ones with evolved mons I did like how for Koffing's first playthrough it got several resets against Kanto Gym Leaders. I was also surprised at how quickly you managed to beat Red in that playthrough.
Awesome start to the year with your Gen 2 videos. Glad to see the hidden power strat is more interesting to you already with a Fire Blast Koffing learnset lol
I wouldn't mind a Donphan playthrough. One of my favorites and I would like to see you play through the game with her. :)
I second this, phanphy was my second ever shiny, so its evolutionary line has a soft spot in my heart lol
Rarely I like videos before I've watched them until the end.
The Hidden Power rule made me like the video prematurely. I'll look more forward to Johto playtroughs!
Koffing in Crystal. I'm ready for this! ;) I'm ready for you to show me if my boy can "exceed expectations"
I can’t believe how slowly you talk, I had to check that TH-cam wasn’t playing at less than full speed. On 1.5x speed it finally seems like a normal person talking.
Funny that I just got a couple comments asking me to slow down
Runs without hidden power are 100% more interesting. It’s so much more entertaining to see you have to overcome obstacles to find a way to progress instead of a single move covering your biggest roadblocks. Also I think that not using hidden power is more representative of the Pokémon that your using and it’s strengths and weaknesses. Regardless love your videos, I’ll be looking forward to becoming a member!
It also means that there can be a hidden second tier; Pokémon that are that good naturally and Pokémon that need Hidden Power to become that good. It’s similar to the Double Team move: if you need it, you suck. Unlike Double Team, if you need Hidden Power, you just have a bad movepool.
Dear Scott, thank you for another gem! Couple of things I would like to weigh in on:
1. I am in complete agreement regarding your approach to Hidden Power going forward. It will be extremely interesting to see how Pokemon with very limited movesets would prevail against formidable foes such as Jasmine and Claire without Hidden Power Ground & Ice in the back of their pockets in their first playthroughs. And what difference the Hidden Power TM would make for them.
2. Regarding this particular game, you could have sold the Charcoal which, to my surprise to this day, costs $9800 while other type boosting held items only cost $50 or $100. I see the reasoning why you would want to hold on to it to boost Fire Blast's effective power (not sure if it actually affected any damage ranges), but perhaps if in your future playthroughs where you will have to save money for another, non-Fire Blast item, you will remember that Charcoal can be sold for $9800 and it can save you a bunch of time.
Selling the Charcoal is a good idea. I'll keep that in mind for future runs.
Can't wait for you to do this lil guy's evolved form, my favorite Pokémon, Weezing
Sludge bomb is one of my favourite moves, I love getting the TM in this game to teach to vileplume, ariados or any other poison type i use
its unfortunate that several good pokemon don't learn it like the bellsprout line
Gym 1's Pidgeotto used gust instead of mud-slap against a poison type? Interesting, that suggests that basically only electric types will ever have to worry about both of the birds using Mud-slap due to being weak to ground *and* resisting flying. Though for them, they can probably get through gym 1 pretty quickly. Still, it's nice to see a small boon for the other ground-weak types in gen 2, as Yellow version is basically all about how well you can deal with ground types. Hopefully that won't be the case in Crystal as well!
Edit: If I had to guess, I imagine Return doesn't bother you as much is because Return doesn't really 'solve problems'. While it's a powerful move that can be a bit centralizing, the only 'problem' that it really solves is a pokemon having a terrible moveset where they don't have any good moves, at which point you're probably suffering and (relatively) miserable during the playthrough anyway so it's just a breath of fresh air. Hidden Power on the other-hand removes a lot of the fun and creativity that you may explore, like getting Fire-blast here which isn't something you'd even think about before and has you learning something new about these games you love. Hidden Power turns basically all road-blocks into a question of "Are you a physical attacker or special attacker?" and then using HP Ground or HP Ice as a result. While return probably just saves you time grinding as the power it gives you could always be achieved by gaining another 10 or 20 levels.
The way you say "Over a damage rounding threshold" and "this section of the game" Has the same vibe as LockPickingLawyer's "The pick the BosnianBill and I made" and "Nice click on 3"
Koffing learns all of the best gsc moves and move combos. Makes a weezing run sound very promising or at least fun.
After all this time i just realized bellsprout has the pokedex number 69
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nice!
There’s a restaurant near me called “Koffee?” and it always makes me laugh. This made me think of it. The question mark really makes it.
I like seeing hidden power be used in both the first and second playthrough. I think you should keep it as is. It has a lot of fun and gives the Pokemon a unique way to solve problems. Without it, you would just be leveling up to solve the problem at best.
Keep listening to the vast majority that like it. We like it. Keep using it in both playthroughs.
I honestly think that Explosion should be allowed. Barely anything learns it and it's a big part of some pokemon's identities. It would be something like TM32 rule in gen 1 - don't teach Explosion but if a pokemon gets it - it's fair game.
Hi Scott, great video as always. I wanted to tell you that if you ever need to gamble in gen 2's game corner ever again you should use the lucky slot machine in either of the two game corners. There's a video by a person called Crystal_ called "Pokemon G/S/C - A look at the inner-workings of slot machines" you could look up for more details.
Your overlay is superb.
Thanks!
it really is
Scott
Denis!
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howdy Dennis
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Still rooting for a krabby play through.
Fun stuff as always Scott
Planned for 2023
Well I'm sold on the hidden power change. I feel like it works either way, but it was really amusing watching you gamble with coins to get Koffing fire blast before Jasmine. Hidden power also does give pokemon a way around some of the hardest fights in the game (Jasmine, Claire, and Lance) when they would otherwise really struggle there, so its certainly interesting to see playthroughs without it. It does seem like ground and ice are just far and away the best hidden powers for 90% of pokemon in this game, which can be a bit boring, so I understand why you feel like its more interesting without the tm.
koffings back sprite is really cool! I’ve never used him before before
I'm thrilled to say the least for this video. I looooove Koffing. I think koffing will make a much better solo playthrough than in gen 1. It won't smash through the game by any means, but I'm hopeful
I'm so proud of koffing for this run. It wasn't fast, but it was lovely
MAGMAR IS COMING TO FIRE RED!? I'D PAY 100 A MONTH FOR THAT
Hey Scott. Love your videos. Just to mention it. If you ever gamble for a tm in goldenrod again: there is one machine which is easier to win at. Try to look it up. Normally an nps sits before it but on special days he doesn't. Could speed up getting enough coins. Keep going what you do and if you mention it in a video I would love, that you give a shout out to the best eeveelution Umbreon!
Koffing got a better time in crystal then in yellow, that's nice to have a strong poison move like sludge bomb. 💪
I really like Koffing's back sprite, I like how silly it's smile is. 😋I can't imagine how it's using curse (because the Japanese name of that move is noroi, which is like a cruse of bad luck) 🤔.. But anyways cruse and protect, and leftovers are the best to use, especially for a physical attacker like Koffing.
And as for hidden power, I think that from a point of a speedrun, that's okay to use, because it's like the gen 1's mimic in my opinion. For me as causal player, I wouldn't try to use it, because I want the game to be harder for me. So thanks for showing both of the approaches. Watching Koffing one shoting Koga's team with non stab fire blast, was really fun. 😂
It does have a solid back sprite in gen2!
I agree both that Hidden Power patches moveset issues a bit too much and that it adds enough depth to the playthrough to not be an obvious ban. The current in-between solution is really good.
Is it sad that I love the new experience bar? Another brilliant video!
I’m probably the wrong guy to ask, because everytime I add a small upgrade I get very excited!
The thumbnail instantly made me think of Chuggaconroy and his blue Koffing named Methane back in the day lol
The Game Corner has ways to increase consistency. IIRC a certain machine has a "Super Luck Mode" where when its in it, you win once every three spins. So its really easy to get into it with resetting.
Scott: "It's really cool to me that a gym leader has the fossil pokemon"
Grant and Roxanne: "Am I a joke to you?"
Hey Scott I did some research and I think you'd be interested to know that Koffing can't learn headbutt because it's all head (no butt)
Hey Scott! Great video as usual! :) Just a little tip if you'll ever need to go to the casino again for some coins. If you go to the last slot machines at the right of the casino, you'll find another game which is much faster and easier to get the coins you need. You just need to "cheat" using the saving states of the emulator, but I'm pretty sure it will take you much less time than the regular slot machines 😉
Great tip!
Love seeing a maxed out stat at Red. I don't know why, seeing 999 on the stat tab fills me with childish joy.
I have not watched it yet, but I do want to say that I am a believer in selfdestruct moves, and would definitely consider them valid. Firstly, it's part of a pokemon's identity and the moves aren't broken or overpowered imo. Secondly, whilst the user faint, it can win a battle doing so if used on the last pokemon, giving THEM the solo victory nontheless.
So if thou decides to start using thy moves, thou hast my blessing!
I'd actually think i'd be funny to have an alomst guarantee K.O. against everyone's Ace.
As the type of kid who would try to surf everywhere possible, I did find the Soft Sand on my own! There are probably a lot of hidden items I never found (I've seen some in these videos that I wasn't aware of) but I think I've found almost everything in the first five gens on my own (barring really convoluted acquisition methods). Comes with talking to everyone possible for the most part. XD
"What is best in live?" "to crush your enemies, see them driven befor you and hear the lamentations of their women" -Conan the Babarian
Great quote
Hey Scott, I've only just started to watch the video and I can see the following moves on the possible learnset...so here is my early prediction for endgame moves ;)
Return
Curse
Rest
Sleep talk
Can't wait to watch the video!!
Good prediction!
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon I still haven't finished watching the first playthrough yet. I'm trying to be a good boy and watch parts of the video in my study breaks today! Ps. i evolved my metapod support on patreon into a butterfree today! Thanks for all the great content
Scott I can see why you changed it, but I really liked the old stats placement because it put Atk next to SpA and Def next to SpD, which was useful for instantly understanding at a glance why certain moves are preferable, and other analogous situations. I'm sure you considered this though and just prefered the consistency with the enemy overlay. In any case, hi Denis.
That is why I did it like that before. The comment that made me change it was that someone who was colour blind struggle to relate it to the enemy stats on the other side of the screen. Speed really has to be at the bottom of that list so I changed it on the left side to accommodate.
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Oh if it’s to make it more accessible to people with specific conditions then yeah that’s a much better idea.
Thank you for changing the order of the stats!! Love that you listen to feedback
Always! Thanks for being engaged and contributing.
I think Return is noncontroversial. It's fair that anyone can use it, and it's fair that physical attackers (especially normal types) uniquely benefit from it, at least in my opinion.
I used to have a shiny Koffing in Chrystal. Was the first shiny I caught. Then the internal battery died :(
Scott's worried about hidden power being too centralising meanwhile gen 1 body slam is whistling innocently in the corner.
Granted, Body Slam doesn't ever do super effective damage (and not all Pokemon can learn it!)
the little fella did very well, I thought it'd be so much worse, back down in the Bruno tier like in Yellow, imagine how good Weezing might be. I like what you're doing with HP, it can be a game changer for some Pokemon and you show that very well. I had a thought of a run you could try for Emerald (or Fire Red) Kecleon. the stats are nothing special (although the spc Def is quite good) similar to Hypno (Hypno in Gen 3 is awesome as well BTW) but its ability is unique and you'd have a lot of fun with it, it changes its type to whatever move last hit it.
the little fella did very well! I'm particularly happy with how consistent the second run was.
I love this guy. He's just so happy
With your signature use of Damage Rounding Thresholds, you should really make a T-shirt featuring that Koffing with the anime eyes. With text underneath reading "Playing DRT", since it can be read as "dirty", in reference to the Sludge and Smog moves. Kind of an in-joke.
Probably can’t put Koffing on a shirt without getting sued
Honestly I feel like he should let himself use Self destruct, its a core aspect of the pokemon, so making it so that he literally cant use it, the pokemon has it as a level move. Not using it just makes the run more generic, and being able to kamikaze the last pokemon is exactly how this little dude is supposed to be used. I get that its a solo pokemon run, but it just feels wrong to not let the dude use what is clearly a signature move of the line because of the solo pokemon rules, in this case. Learning it by TM for a strategy would be stupid and make the runs more generic, but this actually makes this little guy interesting, instead of a little sad ball of gas that poisons things, maybe, sometimes.
The trainer with the Hitmonchan defrosting you was Bruno.
The GSC Bruno is a different Bruno, they fired the original RBY Bruno, took his pokemon away and released him into the woods.
that second run made me want an iced koffee
Ironically you can skip sprout tower but I never do just so I can get more experience before going into the gym. However in the remakes for Gold and Silver it is actually mandatory to gain access to the gym. Got to love fighting all those Bellsprouts lol
Koffee: Max Rollout.
Steelix: (brushes it off no problem)
Love you videos, I watch them all. I will say hidden power does take away from these runs for me. It takes away the different hurdles in the game that each different pokemon gets and the unique ways they can overcome them. To me it's like Tm for double team.
For most pokemon even the "bad ones" only have one or two places in the run that they truely struggle with. It is different for every pokemon. Using hidden power to get over that hump takes away some of the interest.
Just my thoughts.
Exactly why I'm not going to use it in initial playthroughs anymore. But banning it from second playthroughs really doesn't make sense, because I want to see just how fast the Pokemon can go.
Great content. Also, I’m really glad you’re not one of those “haha wouldn’t it be hilarious if you guys subscribed?” TH-camrs who constantly whines about the subscriber to viewer ratio lol.
Subscribers is just a vanity metric.
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Damn, Scott, you don’t miss 😂
im a simple man, i see scott upload and I click